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Jalequin
StarHunt
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2013.06.28 16:00:00 -
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No.
Mass Tests Videos:
http://youtu.be/oPs7ZYWVIOA - June 14th
http://youtu.be/8awhx-iVO4E --áMay 16th
http://youtu.be/0EVS3oOCRcw?t=48s --áApril 11th |
Shereza
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
145
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:04:00 -
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Tchulen wrote:They do already as has been explained elsewhere in this thread but I will reiterate:
They halve scan resolution meaning you need to be in the site longer due to longer locking times
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More importantly, they halve your target range so with two fitted, which is often the case, you have 1/4 of your original locking range which on a frigate makes it a very short locking range. This means that you have to move from one can to another, making the time you're uncloaked and in the site much longer meaning you're more at risk from being caught by prepared predators.
There really doesn't need to be any more adverse affects to WCS.
As how does that factor into probing? |
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
The Volition Cult
468
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:16:00 -
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Shereza wrote:Tchulen wrote:They do already as has been explained elsewhere in this thread but I will reiterate:
They halve scan resolution meaning you need to be in the site longer due to longer locking times
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More importantly, they halve your target range so with two fitted, which is often the case, you have 1/4 of your original locking range which on a frigate makes it a very short locking range. This means that you have to move from one can to another, making the time you're uncloaked and in the site much longer meaning you're more at risk from being caught by prepared predators.
There really doesn't need to be any more adverse affects to WCS. As how does that factor into probing?
It doesn't.
How does probing factor into whether a cov ops can be caught whilst inside a hacking site? That is, after all, what we're discussing here. Whether or not WCS should have even worse penalties for use than they do now so people can't fit them to hacking cov ops frigates (or more accurately so they would render their ability to hack unusable) because the OP can't catch or kill cov ops frigates whilst their doing hacking sites and he'd rather CCP change the game rules around him than use the solutions already presented to him.
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imbaRabbit
Suddenly rabbit
53
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Posted - 2013.06.28 17:57:00 -
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You know ... you're kind of people which is dumbing the EvE down. I really hate it. Look at you, afraid of losing anything in EvE. I do realize when you want to PvP with an "expensive" fit that you're more careful and you choose who you fight with. I was called an ass, weakling and all other names you can imagine because I have chosen to take Falcon with my friend. It's not about being gay or not, it's about survivability. I have lost few ships while being a bait, and honestly ... I don't care - pixels, pixels everywhere. You take what is working for you and you try to enjoy it; anything else will cause stress and you'll quit or burn-out.
You being scared like **** from fitting T1 frigate with double web-scrambler makes you the weak one. Your request is similar to those who "PvP"-ed against LOW-SEC mission boats. I scan them down, I come in site and *POOF* - I disappear (WTH CCP fix that stuff, or I quit). How can the NPCs help my enemy, when I'm enemy to your enemy??? Well, simple! - you're the one with scram, web and high DPS - why do you think that I should think that you'll let me in peace one when we get rid of "our" enemy (read: mission runner).
Oddsodz wrote:
Now the some folks here will say. Fit more Scrams. Well you could do that. But then you gimp your ship for tank or other e-war mods. No point going into PvP if you gimp your fit. Remember. Not all t1 frigs in theses sites are WCS fitted. Some of them are proper combat fit.
Isn't this the beauty of EvE? That you have some kind of modality to it (while it still exists ...) and risk it? Not like you're risking fortune - get the T1 exploration frigate, take drones and double-scram and have some fun. Even if you lose your ship, it's not like you're losing your POD in the LOW-sec. Relax and enjoy the game. Take risks.
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I have really disliked the forum comments which had "If you want to play WoW, go on and play it - this is EvE!", but now I see where CCP is going (sell the game to majority, hence make the game more available to "slower ones"). I'm not saying that you're slower but you're just within this new-age which dishes out everything to their beloved ones.
Wherever I turn around, I see people want more for lesser effort/work ... It sucks :(! Just look at the new "EXPLORATION" patch:
- Easier way to find signals (everyone can see those spheres in the system as they come in the system, hence you don't have to scan the system down).
- No NPCs within the Radar\Data sites (I deliberately chose the wrong names) .
- The 'unique' exploration frigates are in no way unique (read bonuses).
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To your preposition: NO! |
Kenzore
State Protectorate
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.06.28 22:03:00 -
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The solution is very simple, you scan down the sites before them you wait in a cloaky stealth bomber with 2 scrams and a web, they are so detracted by the mini game that you have plenty time to lock them up and apply all your modules to them by that time they are pretty much screwed, and they have juicy loot in the holds by the time you catch them :] i have killed a few this way tbh its more profitable farming them than actualy running the hacking sites.  |
imbaRabbit
Suddenly rabbit
54
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Posted - 2013.06.28 22:10:00 -
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Kenzore wrote:The solution is very simple, you scan down the sites before them you wait in a cloaky stealth bomber with 2 scrams and a web, they are so detracted by the mini game that you have plenty time to lock them up and apply all your modules to them by that time they are pretty much screwed, and they have juicy loot in the holds by the time you catch them :] i have killed a few this way tbh its more profitable farming them than actualy running the hacking sites.
And that's how it can be done.
+1 |
Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS strain SELKURK
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Posted - 2013.06.28 23:07:00 -
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Shereza wrote:In all honesty while complaining about not being able to catch and trap or alpha a frigate that can't fight back is kind of dumb there is a valid point in this topic.
If warp core stabilizers function in a way so as to limit the effectiveness of ships in combat should they also function to limit the effectiveness of ships doing other things such as mining, probing, salvaging, hacking, and so on? Leaving aside the OP and his failings, both perceived and actual, it's an interesting question as developers sometimes have issues noticing emergent gameplay issues until they become gameplay problems.
I dont know the history of WCS's but as they exist today they are intended primarily for semi-to-fully indefensible ships to have some means of possibly getting away from an attacker bristling with weapons. Combat ships have weapons as their primary defense system backed up by shield/armor and possibly some electronic warfare.
Most (read pretty much all) non-combat vessels have shield/armor that is essentially useless as all it really does is extend the amount of time it takes to gank you, since you are not damaging your attacker the outcome is inevitable.
This is where the WCS come in and to be honest given the ratio of 3 WCS to 1 Scram the table is already seriously slanted in favor of the pirate, the OP just wants the table slanted so far that we non-combat pilots should just line up in front of his weapons and get ready to be podded.
And as someone already pointed out the OP is unwilling to add more scrams to his ship for fear that he himself will become pirate food and by his own contention low/null should be dangerous that includes being dangerous for pirates being killed by other pirates. |
Vizvig
Savage Blizzard
Bright Side of Death
103
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Posted - 2013.06.28 23:56:00 -
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Buy t2 hands and t2 brain, that solve this problem.
Or just fit 2 warp scramblers |
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