Yes, CCP should abandon their secure market niche, throw their exisiting playerbase under as bus and join the long line of MMO publishers who have struck rich by trying to copy Wow, such as and of course and let's not forget

After all, what company with 10% YoY growth wouldn't hasten to trash their business plan to try and start copying a model which is losing 20% a year.

Of course I use PLEX to sub my accounts.... why in the world would I pay real money to play this game if I don't have to?

That is my point.... the payment system is a fail due to this.

I don't have to buy PLEX with Real Money because I have 50 billion ISK from playing the game. I've cancelled all my sub accounts and they are on a PLEX payment type now, if I want to reactivate one, I just buy a PLEX in market.... this should not be possible!

How is CCP getting more money per month from the Plex, fail exactly?

Just because you are not spending RL monies, doesn't mean others are not. Just how do you think a Plex comes into existence?

Oh and people trade existing ISK for the Plex. It does not create ISK when traded.

So everyone should start petitioning CCP to buff crime, as it will have the great effect of of keeping Wow players out.

Sounds good to me.

Of course I use PLEX to sub my accounts.... why in the world would I pay real money to play this game if I don't have to?

That is my point.... the payment system is a fail due to this.

I don't have to buy PLEX with Real Money because I have 50 billion ISK from playing the game. I've cancelled all my sub accounts and they are on a PLEX payment type now, if I want to reactivate one, I just buy a PLEX in market.... this should not be possible!

1) I don't need to Pay anymore because I am amazing and entrenched.
2) Friends won't play because PVP is too harsh and they get no reward for their hour or two of play time.

PLEX on the flip side has killed the game..... and turned it in to Entropia for many many players.
The reason this game will never be more than the very vocal limited player base... is due to PLEX.

This isn't a JOB folks..... it's a game and even though it has a GREAT potential to be amazing, it sucks due to the very high cost of PVP..... some of you think that's great if you have the RL cash or you're a full timer who has tons of ISK.. but to the rest of the world... it's just stupid.

If you spend more than an hour or two playing this game a day... you are addicted and should quit for two full weeks.

PS.. Forum PVP is way more fun than in game PVP..

some of you think that's great if you have the RL cash or you're a full timer who has tons of ISK.. but to the rest of the world... it's just stupid.

This is a fail, because it's supposed to be a game...not a "Buy my Rig" and see how I do against the hugely entrenched PVP base "Simulator".

EVE is certainly a niche, but not in a good way.

Not saying you should copy WOW... at all.. I've never been to the website...

I think they have like 9 Million Subscribers who are actually paying each month to play though. That seems like a lot of money! I wonder why so many people are into that game? Forget for a moment that it had 12 million at it's peak.....

That's right because people can play against other players, die and re-spawn to play again without such a high cost of reentry. They can level up their character and have a level 80 dude roaming around town, if that level 80 dude gets jumped - no biggie - he respawns and ALL this gear he worked so hard for is maintained.... just needs to repair it or something.

In EVE, sure you can have a 150M SP dude, jump in a T3 -2Billion ISK rig, but don't think for a minute you're going to keep it!!! Nope, in a moment of Glory, that rig is toast... So you have to pluck down $50 buck or grind to get it back over the course of days or weeks if you don't have EVE as a Job..... That my friend is only ONE PVP experience where you lost your battle.....
If you want it cheaper, your 150M SP dude has to play like a level 1 player and jump in a T1 frigate ... okay!

The cost to play against other players is too high, and the content of the game is vastly going towards being only available in PVP areas.


I have 50 Billion ISK, that took me a few years to earn playing every daily sometimes and other times not at all.... That means if I want to play at my mains level of game play, I could have only 50 loses - considering Implants, clone costs, decent ship to compete....etc..etc..

CCP would probably reduce it if they want to grab the strays before they get established in another MMO. If they get established in another MMO they're not leaving for a long time. Which is what older MMOs prefer, as those bitter vets aren't going to stay forever in EvE, too.

[1) Real Money gets thrown down to a Vendor for a Game Time Code of 2 months of play time for $35.
2) I then take that cool time code and offer it in the TimeCode Bazaar (now they've made it easier and can just turn it into 2 PLEX in game). At the time I did it, I think I got like $450 million ISK per ....
3) PLEX is then sold on the market for ISK, which in turn I can if I want to - Buy GEAR without earning it in game.

This is a fail, because it's supposed to be a game...not a "Buy my Rig" and see how I do against the hugely entrenched PVP base "Simulator".

Alright, I gave an example of a socialist trait adopted by Australia. Please give an example of a capitalist trait. Because what you are doing is, citing something without giving a proper example, and declaring victory in the discussion by virtue of what is, literally, the card you are holding behind your back while saying "trust me...". No. I'd like to see that card, so we can continue.

My premise remains sound. Australia is neither large enough, nor has existed for a period of time long enough in their current hybrid social philosophy to make a determination of the long term viability of such a society. The European nations alone have existed long enough in a "nation state" level of society to use them as a possible metric, but they are all socialists.

You may be an example of it working right now, but that is no guarantor of the future. That is what I mean when I say that the experiment of a hybrid middle ground society remains unproven. Particularly given that you have yet to produce a valid one.

My premise remains sound. Australia is neither large enough, nor has existed for a period of time long enough in their current hybrid social philosophy to make a determination of the long term viability of such a society. The European nations alone have existed long enough in a "nation state" level of society to use them as a possible metric, but they are all socialists.

You may be an example of it working right now, but that is no guarantor of the future. That is what I mean when I say that the experiment of a hybrid middle ground society remains unproven. Particularly given that you have yet to produce a valid one.

How has this wormhole of a thread not collapsed in on itself yet?

because it's interesting.... read the post above you in it's entirety and repost.

It amazes me how people don't get how PLEX is born. When I first stared playing I bought GTC's (Game Time Codes) from one of CCP vendors.. I did so to get my head start as most do, because I am greedy and lazy!

1) Real Money gets thrown down to a Vendor for a Game Time Code of 2 months of play time for $35.
2) I then take that cool time code and offer it in the TimeCode Bazaar (now they've made it easier and can just turn it into 2 PLEX in game). At the time I did it, I think I got like $450 million ISK per ....
3) PLEX is then sold on the market for ISK, which in turn I can if I want to - Buy GEAR without earning it in game.

This is a fail, because it's supposed to be a game...not a "Buy my Rig" and see how I do against the hugely entrenched PVP base "Simulator".

EVE is certainly a niche, but not in a good way....

Edit = I see you were be sarcastic there... my bad.... you already know the scam....sorry!

That's like saying that The Ritz is hurting because it doesn't serve big macs.

How exactly is PLEX 'pay to win'?

How does it disrupt 'game challenge'?

Well, I think you are wrong.... as the game grew well prior to PLEX.

Other games have much larger subscription bases, due to the player retention. They just have a reason for the player to come back and want to play. EVE just doesn't have that kind of content or interest for most gamers. It's just too harsh!

You may like it, but the VAST majority of gamers do not!
Out of the 500k subs that exist I would guess that there is only less than half of that of real people, perhaps even much less... I have had up to 8 accounts running at the same time in the past.. Now I have 3, and might just plex my main for a few years in case I play again. In any regard .... as I said.

PVP doesn't exist like in most ALL other games, so the gamers who "don't want to grind" just to play with other players find other games to play that a more entertaining and don't require that type of grind.... you can say EVE isn't other games... agreed.!!! Yet, the harshness of that cost keeps the game from ever growing to any real numbers.

Too many words... just read the many many posts..

What I can't work out is why you are championing (white knighting) newer players when it doesn't even effect you.

Surely you should leave that to them if it's a problem.

I'm sure new players will be thrilled with a champion that doesn't even understand the concept of a Plex. Or what P2W or F2P is. Thrilled.

Too many words... just read the many many posts..