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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3743
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:58:00 -
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Mascha Tzash wrote:-Perhaps some people need a scapegoat they can blame for their own demise. Well, if you were talking about the people whose spacehomes we burned down, I guess yeah There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
TEST Defence, Please Ignore |

De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1645
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:05:00 -
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I'll be honest here -
I used to loathe the goons. There was no real reason for it, except that I was in IRC and that was the general attitude. I didn't even really know what the Goons were except they were red in local, and out to ruin my day.
I have since come to realize they're just a group of bros hanging with their bros looking to shoot non-bros and have a good time. Just like me. And while I will still happily shoot a goon given the chance, I don't "hate" them anymore. I realized it was pretty silly to let space pixels affect me that strongly. Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
284
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:06:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:I've never had direct dealings with any Goons, but I kinda like them because the typical Goon hater is a repulsive whinebear. Exactly the reasons why I tend to not like them, as they get support from asshats and weirdos. ...You are the company you keep... Widot ... 
English, please. Goon gibberish is incomprehensible. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3743
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:07:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:I've never had direct dealings with any Goons, but I kinda like them because the typical Goon hater is a repulsive whinebear. Exactly the reasons why I tend to not like them, as they get support from asshats and weirdos. ...You are the company you keep... Widot ...  English, please. Goon gibberish is incomprehensible. You haven't heard of Wildly Inappropriate. ? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
TEST Defence, Please Ignore |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
40
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:15:00 -
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Their assumed mastery of propaganda and the human psyche just makes them sound childish. |

Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
396
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:16:00 -
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Sour Jelly wrote:They paid 15$ to join an internet forum.
inb4 "I didn't pay"
Yeah right, I'm sure you paid twice to get a little picture for your avatar.
so sad.
But this isn't the only reason just part of it. What is the desire to join an internet forum like that? Where does it come from? I would posit it comes from a deep seated desire to be special. To be part of an exclusive club, an "in-crowd" and the community of SA reflects that. Indeed Goonswarm in EVE reflects this mentality, of elitism, false superiority, unabashed neckbeardism.
It's loathsome. I actually loath goons, as people. I very rarely run into them in real life, but when I do I loath them. That guy standing in line wearing sweatpants which aren't fully covering his butt, with his gut hanging out? Wearing a smug look of contempt upon his countenance? Yeah, that's a goon and I hate him.
I didn't pay. Someone else bought me an account as a gift.
I'm not sure I could justify joining now but in the years leading up to and some time after my joining, the SA forums made me laugh harder than just about anything I can think of. It was certainly worth someone's :10bux: back in 2006, sorry you're such a horrid little **** that you were tossed out with every other ****-poster vOv. Your kind of visible bitterness doesn't come from someone who didn't [try to] post there at some point. |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1879
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:19:00 -
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Sour Jelly wrote:*puts on uniform* "I'm happy to pay $$ to be in this group because it doesn't have your group in it who are constantly grouping people" wow  thank you so much for that Just so you know, really dumb straw-man arguments like this are also largely absent.
All in all, I'm inclined to ask which of the recent "HEY GUISE I REGEREISTERED HERE TO JOINS YOUR GUILDS TODAY LOL" posters you are. Or are you just really angry at a site you're going to claim you've never visited or registered with?
(see previous comment about the uninformed hating on groups) "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
285
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:23:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I didn't pay. Someone else bought me an account as a gift.
There went the idea of a $10 fee as a method of controlling spam...
But interesting intelligence in how easy it's to infiltrate the organization though. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Sour Jelly
0
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:31:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Sour Jelly wrote:*puts on uniform* "I'm happy to pay $$ to be in this group because it doesn't have your group in it who are constantly grouping people" wow  thank you so much for that Just so you know, really dumb straw-man arguments like this are also largely absent. All in all, I'm inclined to ask which of the recent "HEY GUISE I REGEREISTERED HERE TO JOINS YOUR GUILDS TODAY LOL" posters you are. Or are you just really angry at a site you're going to claim you've never visited or registered with? (see previous comment about the uninformed hating on groups)
You're having trouble with reading comprehension, remember that guy I described in my first post towards the bottom? I'm poking him with a stick right now.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
318
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:32:00 -
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I view Goonhate as being comprised very simply. Most "have-nots" need a justification to satisfy their ego, so they don't have to admit to themselves that the "haves" are in fact better than they are, both objectively and subjectively. Thus "They cheated" or "well they only won because they blob", or "well they have all the BPOs anyway", or any other myriad nonsense.
It all boils down to taking the game too seriously, and attaching some form of their personal self worth to it. So anything that comes along that challenges that self worth merits an emotional, knee jerk response to disqualify it.
The Goons are the obvious target for this because they, quite simply, have won at EVE Online. (TEST has done this also, they are in a similar fashion pretty much only accountable to themselves and can do as they please, but The Mittani's gaffe with the suicide comments put the Goons ahead on the radar of the lazy self esteem robots)
Basically, Goons are an easy target to blame for all the ills of the game that the average player doesn't want to chalk up to any failure on their part. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
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RAW23
184
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:34:00 -
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Goons are a lovely group of people when observed as an isolated group. They are funny, clever, inventive and they look after their own. The reason a lot of people don't like them, though, is because, like a high-school clique, they split the world into an in-group and an out-group and take great pleasure in shitting on those in the out-group. It is hardly surprising that many of those in the out-group don't really appreciate this. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |

Metal Icarus
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
582
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:38:00 -
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Why would you need a reason to hate Goons?
Its a game, reasons are arbitrary.
**** Goons |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1880
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:41:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I didn't pay. Someone else bought me an account as a gift. There went the idea of a $10 fee as a method of controlling spam... But interesting intelligence in how easy it's to infiltrate the organization though. There's no "organisation" - it's a forum that anyone is free to join. SomethingAwful is not a website run by or for people who play Eve - in fact the overwhelming majority of goons don't play the game find eve players quite insufferable which is something we can all relate to  "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1880
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:43:00 -
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Sour Jelly wrote:You're having trouble with reading comprehension, remember that guy I described in my first post towards the bottom? I'm poking him with a stick right now.
-Än¦â -ç+É+Ñ-ç ¦¥+¦+É no-Ä So when I said people like you don't like the site because you can't get past bad ad-hominem attacks, your response is "lol, ur fat"?
Jesus man, c'mon. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

Haedonism Bot
Viziam Amarr Empire
398
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:47:00 -
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I tend to think that most people who hate Goons hate them because they are winners at this game. It's mainly an envy thing.
Personally I don't have strong feelings about Goons one way or the other. The few Goons that I have known have tended to be friendly and helpful, contrary to most of what I read about them on these forums. I have a lot of respect for the way they help new players in this game - few other organizations come close to competing in that regard.
They also drive a lot of emergent content for the rest of EVE to enjoy - Hulkageddons, Burn Jitas, null sec wars, etc.
Some people seem to also have moral objections to some of the behaviors that Goons sometimes engage in, and that is just silly. Scamming, corporate infiltration, spying, ganking, etc are the main things that distinguish EVE from other games. Indeed, they are the core and backbone of what makes EVE great. If you object to these activities, you are probably playing the wrong game, or at any rate you have fallen in with the wrong crowd. Join the Revolutionary Front and liberate New Eden from it's stuff.
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
223
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:53:00 -
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Mark Androcius wrote:So, I am basically looking for reasons why people hate the Goons.
I really don't see a valid reason for it, except for of course, they are so successful and we envy you for that.
Anyway, here's a list of possible reasons, plus their debunk.
You got ganked during Hulkageddon. Well, you were warned WAY WAY WAY in advance, in fact, you couldn't even log into the game without being WELL notified of the event. Therefore, any loss of mining barge during this period, in name of the goons, is entirely on you not paying attention and not being part of the eve community ( more likely, you are just here to make isk per hour and F anything else is your average attitude )
You got ganked during burn Jita Basically, same rules apply.
You were part of a sov holding corp that got booted out by Goons. Well, it's the name of the game I'm afraid, you failing to hold that sov, has nothing to do with them cheating or anything, more with them applying the superior tactics and mentality. Again, this is not a reason to hate, merely a reason to envy.
And now, the TEST thing, why so many people seem to help TEST, simply because they hate the Goons. You guys do know TEST got hold of sov because Goons helped them right? You guys also know they were friendly towards each other for a really long time right? You guys do know TEST backstabber the Goons first right? So, considering this, if any of the above mentioned reasons for hating Goons is your reason for hating Goons, why are you helping a backstabbing alliance?
The enemy of my enemy is my friend right? Well, all it's gonna do is replace "evil" with a new "evil" ( in case TEST manages to succeed somehow ).
So basically, all I'd like to know is, could you post why you hate the Goons? and also, please refrain from using the already mentioned reasons, unless you have something constructive to say about my debunking.
Most of the goon hate comes from its history. Goons have demonstrated over and over again that they have zero respect for the game or the gaming community by exploiting every and any exploitable mechanic or bug in the game.
Goon hate was strong well before they and Test parted ways. Their elitist attitude does not help them earn respect or sympathy from the community.
Anytime you have any organization that has the ability to impose its will on others with no regard or concern of the consequences for the game or the community in that game it will generate hate.
I donGÇÖt feel sorry for them at all. They made their bed let them lay in it. With any luck they will get wiped off the map like BOB was.
KARMA.....
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
473
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Posted - 2013.06.27 13:58:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
I donGÇÖt feel sorry for them at all. They made their bed let them lay in it. With any luck they will get wiped off the map like BOB was.
KARMA.....
Im not sure you quite understand what karma is supposed to be
So I shall assume you are using the popularist variant of its meaning
Tell The Others |

RAW23
185
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:02:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:
Im not sure you quite understand what karma is supposed to be
So I shall assume you are using the popularist variant of its meaning
Upvotes on Reddit, no? That's why TEST has so much. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |

TheButcherPete
The James Gang SpaceMonkey's Alliance
288
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:03:00 -
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Goons are a good thing Goons are a great thing Goons are the best thing. THE KING OF EVE RADIO
ElQuirko is my son |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
286
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:06:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:I didn't pay. Someone else bought me an account as a gift. There went the idea of a $10 fee as a method of controlling spam... But interesting intelligence in how easy it's to infiltrate the organization though. There's no "organisation" - it's a forum that anyone is free to join. SomethingAwful is not a website run by or for people who play Eve - in fact the overwhelming majority of goons don't play the game find eve players quite insufferable which is something we can all relate to 
I'm aware it's an offsite forum. I'm aware it had 2 different murderers who posted there too (that's really awful). I'm also aware it charges $10 as spam prevention. But if friends of friends can just gift it, that roadblock has been defeated. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
473
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:10:00 -
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TheButcherPete wrote:Goons are a good thing Goons are a great thing Goons are the best thing.
Is El Quirko really your son?
Ace Uoweme wrote: I'm aware it had 2 different murderers who posted there too
I'm aware of at least one posting right here right now
Tell The Others |

Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
241
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:13:00 -
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Anybody who thinks people hate goons because they are 'winning' or any gameplay reason really is insane, delusional or both. The reason I and so many others dislike Goons (won't say hate, hard to hate someone you don't really know) is due to how they carry themselves. They act like children, they purposely try and start internet fights with people, ship toast all day etc etc etc. |

Stonecrusher Mortlock
University of Caille Gallente Federation
160
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:14:00 -
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This is a true story.
I met a goon, about 2 months ago in Kansas city at the movies, we where one of the 6 people in there to watch the new iron man.
I could tell he was a goon, because he said so as soon as he learned i played EvE he had a level of smug come over him that i could not believe you could show in RL and instantly started trying to impress me and brag about his scamming and crap...
You know i couldn't tell you what he looked like, i know he wore glasses, was your a average nerd, but the one thing i will NEVER forget, he was clearly 20 ish, and was at the movies with his MOM, and she was still driving him around.
That was the day i started to feel bad for goons. |

Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
286
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:15:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote: Im not sure you quite understand what karma is supposed to be
So I shall assume you are using the popularist variant of its meaning
Here's a description drawn in crayon to be explicitly clear:
Americans love to root for the underdog.
Underdog meets the Goons.
Underdog loves honey.
Underdog kills the hive in the process.
Underdog is cheered as the hero for removing the pests.
If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword.
That's Karma.
"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
473
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:19:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: Im not sure you quite understand what karma is supposed to be
So I shall assume you are using the popularist variant of its meaning
Here's a description drawn in crayon to be explicitly clear: Americans love to root for the underdog. Underdog meets the Goons. Underdog loves honey. Underdog kills the hive in the process. Underdog is cheered as the hero for removing the pests. If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword.That's Karma.
No it isn't
You appear to have karma confused with a television programme called "My Name Is Earl"
Tell The Others |

S Byerley
The Manhattan Engineer District
40
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:26:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
I donGÇÖt feel sorry for them at all. They made their bed let them lay in it. With any luck they will get wiped off the map like BOB was.
KARMA.....
Im not sure you quite understand what karma is supposed to be So I shall assume you are using the popularist variant of its meaning
I'm pretty sure building bad relationships that negatively effect you later falls under all the definitions of karma.
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Virginia Virdana
Envoy Fast Deployment
49
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:27:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: Im not sure you quite understand what karma is supposed to be
So I shall assume you are using the popularist variant of its meaning
Here's a description drawn in crayon to be explicitly clear: Americans love to root for the underdog. Underdog meets the Goons. Underdog loves honey. Underdog kills the hive in the process. Underdog is cheered as the hero for removing the pests. If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword.That's Karma.
No. That is a series of semi-connected statements that makes little or no sense. Karma, is where you undertake an action of entity X, and the same action is then visited on you by entity Y. Whether that action, and how it comes back to you are good or bad is irrelevant.
When the Goons wiped BoB off the map, it was against a backdrop of very serious cheating and favouratism. I don't buy that is happening now, despite all the :tinfoilhats: going around.
That said I am no big fan of the Goons, and that is mainly because of how they post on here. The condesending, "pubbie scum" attitude rubs me up the wrong way. I can't bring myself to hate them, but it does irritate me. They say never come to a gunfight armed with a knife.You appear to have come armed with a spoon. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
474
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:28:00 -
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S Byerley wrote:
I'm pretty sure building bad relationships that negatively effect you later falls under all the definitions of karma.
No, thats politics or diplomacy you are thinking of
Tell The Others |

Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
518
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:28:00 -
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Sour Jelly wrote:They paid 15$ to join an internet forum.
inb4 "I didn't pay"
Yeah right, I'm sure you paid twice to get a little picture for your avatar.
so sad.
But this isn't the only reason just part of it. What is the desire to join an internet forum like that? Where does it come from? I would posit it comes from a deep seated desire to be special. To be part of an exclusive club, an "in-crowd" and the community of SA reflects that. Indeed Goonswarm in EVE reflects this mentality, of elitism, false superiority, unabashed neckbeardism.
It's loathsome. I actually loath goons, as people. I very rarely run into them in real life, but when I do I loath them. That guy standing in line wearing sweatpants which aren't fully covering his butt, with his gut hanging out? Wearing a smug look of contempt upon his countenance? Yeah, that's a goon and I hate him.
I paid :texbux: to have access to a forum where the trash really gets taken care of. The discussion are just so much better without all the regular trash all ofher forums have. I also still have the "stupid newbie" avatar. |

Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
6740
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:33:00 -
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what is goon?
baby don't hurt me
don't hurt meeeee
no mooooore
GÖÑ You may gain the knowledge, but you will lose your belief, with all its mystery and comfort. If there was proof, absolute and certain, there is an afterlife, why not quit this life, and be done with it? Ponder about these things all your life, and you're a philosopher. Compress these ponderings into a couple of pages, and you'll go mad. |
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