That solely depends on how you define this. There are no 'Raid Guilds' dominating, there are rather large Alliances dominating.
You can still get stuff from those regions, they are not as dangerous as you might think. Without renting, I mean.

Confirming though, that you are unable to build a 5-man "Empire" that will be entirely safe and will make you feel like a god.
Find some few thousand others, then you can do that.

So, I am basically looking for reasons why people hate the Goons.

It's just lipstick on the same pig (no matter how it's carved up...it's still pork).

Switch an avatar guild ruling a server, for an EvE alliance...bingo...it's deju vu all over again.

I left EQII after the worst 4+hr server bitchfest over one avatar guild from hell. After that GL got his mug on EQ2Flame's wall of shame, I left satisfied justice was served. Went to WoW and did everything I could to fight for access, as I hate this stupidity of paying for some bozos to act like lords, with the mentality of slime mold.

Devs who want to create worlds like this better just go F2P. When players are paying for game time, leave that bullshit where it belongs, buried in EQ/EQII and put a stake into it's blackest heart.

I hate neither. Goons are a collection of teletubbies worshippers whereas TEST are a bunch of rabid My Little Pony fangurls, and they have gotten into this heated argument of which show is the best.

I just sit back and watch natural selection do its work.

With all due respect, I have read a lot of your posts on various topics and I think you should take some time before you compare bitchfest with bitchfest. ;) No offense meant...

Meanwhile, you ***** about bitching after reading "a lot" of my posts?

Honey, that flame war would melt satan's face. It was much deserved, and any guild that mattered gave that guild the proper dressing down it deserved. That's the karma idiots deserved, and if the Goons keeps pushing buttons, what they'll receive as well, regardless of being CCP darlings.

And now, the TEST thing, why so many people seem to help TEST, simply because they hate the Goons.
You guys do know TEST got hold of sov because Goons helped them right?
You guys also know they were friendly towards each other for a really long time right?
You guys do know TEST backstabber the Goons first right?
So, considering this, if any of the above mentioned reasons for hating Goons is your reason for hating Goons, why are you helping a backstabbing alliance?

I hate neither. Goons are a collection of teletubbies worshippers whereas TEST are a bunch of rabid My Little Pony fangurls, and they have gotten into this heated argument of which show is the best.

I just sit back and watch natural selection do its work.

So, I am basically looking for reasons why people hate the Goons.
Then I'm going to make up a bunch of straw-man arguments and knock them down myself. No one's allowed to call me on any of my bullshit - all you can do is explain why you suck so much.

/discus

So, I am basically looking for reasons why people hate the Goons.

I really don't see a valid reason for it, except for of course, they are so successful and we envy you for that.

Anyway, here's a list of possible reasons, plus their debunk.

You got ganked during Hulkageddon.
Well, you were warned WAY WAY WAY in advance, in fact, you couldn't even log into the game without being WELL notified of the event.
Therefore, any loss of mining barge during this period, in name of the goons, is entirely on you not paying attention and not being part of the eve community ( more likely, you are just here to make isk per hour and F anything else is your average attitude )

You got ganked during burn Jita
Basically, same rules apply.

You were part of a sov holding corp that got booted out by Goons.
Well, it's the name of the game I'm afraid, you failing to hold that sov, has nothing to do with them cheating or anything, more with them applying the superior tactics and mentality.
Again, this is not a reason to hate, merely a reason to envy.


And now, the TEST thing, why so many people seem to help TEST, simply because they hate the Goons.
You guys do know TEST got hold of sov because Goons helped them right?
You guys also know they were friendly towards each other for a really long time right?
You guys do know TEST backstabber the Goons first right?
So, considering this, if any of the above mentioned reasons for hating Goons is your reason for hating Goons, why are you helping a backstabbing alliance?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend right?
Well, all it's gonna do is replace "evil" with a new "evil" ( in case TEST manages to succeed somehow ).


So basically, all I'd like to know is, could you post why you hate the Goons? and also, please refrain from using the already mentioned reasons, unless you have something constructive to say about my debunking.

But have to admit that W-HAT (SL SA folks) were absolute auties that no one liked. Even my friend who was a member of SA and came to W-HAT just couldn't stand them.

Because EvE suffers from a syndrome know especially with the EQ/EQII franchise: where only a couple raid guilds rule, and they controlled the economy and access to content.

WoW doesn't have that problem as no 1 guild can control the game; the economy or access. They can be powerful and have the best raiders, but they don't dictate content or access.

EvE isn't the sandbox game folks keep wanting to believe, it suffers from some really old problems seen in older MMOs. It's allowed as those who developed EvE consider it's fine, as that was the status quo game play.

Went to WoW and did everything I could to fight for access

Never not post when you have no idea what you're talking about.

I guess the propaganda is working though.

Never not post when you have no idea what you're talking about.

I guess the propaganda is working though.

For starters Ace, seriously, enough with the WoW shtick. We get it. You ******* love World of Warcraft. We don't. Hence why we play a game that requires a brain instead. For the love of God, please stop shitting up every thread in GD with that nonsense. Thanks.

That being said, I like the Goons as an entity. Sure they have members who are d***bags, what alliance doesnt. As a group though, they do the evil empire thing very well and bring bucketloads of real, player made content to all parts of Eve. For the most part they are some of the classier posters on Eve-O, which makes it a little easier on my brain when perusing the forums at lunch.

I'd take the conversation of a goon any day of the week over that of a hi-sec miner/whiner or TESTicle.

To be fair, high sec mission running and mining require almost zero thought

For starters Ace, seriously, enough with the WoW shtick. We get it. You ******* love World of Warcraft. We don't. Hence why we play a game that requires a brain instead. For the love of God, please stop shitting up every thread in GD with that nonsense. Thanks.

Goons are great content.

They would be fantastic content if CCP ever got their thumbs out and implemented Block [Corp] and Block [Alliance]

Brings new perspective to :

Go back to World of Warcraft.


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You are a spiteful little turd aren't you? So much tinfoil and impotent rage.

You don't know what I know.

Put a fork in it, Francis. You don't know what I know. But I do know EvE resembles EQII's raid guild superiority to the "T", right down to how it tries to manipulate the market.

No one told me anything about you. All I know about you fools is...

1. How you act.
2. How you present yourself.
3. What you have done.
4. What you have exploited.

And I don't like any of it.

EvE allows you to do the things you do, but EvE also allows you to be judged for it.

Don't like the "propaganda", don't do the things you do. It's that simple.

No one but you picked your PR disaster name, either. You really want to be hated, and there's no one to blame for it but YOU.

Grow up and take responsibility, not defer it like the typical brain dead mouthbreathing PvPer.