No, thats politics or diplomacy you are thinking of

Why not both?

Goons have spent ages making enemies in a closed off world. There's only a finite amount of 'political space' for them to kick about in and **** people off.

To me, it seems that maybe they've just made too many enemies in their time in game, and it's reached a bit of a critical mass. Where, combined with their smugging, people have found the conditions right and enough other people feeling the same that they are turning around and going 'you know what, let's kick 'em in the teeth and take them down a peg or two'



s'my 2p

Most of the goon hate comes from its history. Goons have demonstrated over and over again that they have zero respect for the game or the gaming community by exploiting every and any exploitable mechanic or bug in the game.

Most of our current crop of enemies have been told that they should hate us so they do so, like sheep (TEST). The rest fall under the category of folks who have been evicted from their space by us repeatedly over the years.

You guys do know TEST backstabber the Goons first right?
So, considering this, if any of the above mentioned reasons for hating Goons is your reason for hating Goons, why are you helping a backstabbing alliance?

-Perhaps the hate towards the Goons is the hate that was towards BoB back when it had sov.

Im not sure you quite understand what karma is supposed to be


So I shall assume you are using the popularist variant of its meaning

[quote=Mark Androcius]THAT i do find funny about goons... they utterly hated bob back in the days for what they were and did.
but NOW goons are no better then what BoB was :)
so they Hated what they have become today :) gj goons

reason why i dislike goons is their interaction within ccp on affecting the game considering how many goons/ex goons work there now and this so called democratic voting for CSM where alliances make a vote list for their members to vote how the leadership wants.
and with the mittani there for a while i can only presume alot has been done in "favor" of goons or how they play the game.




*cough* titan nerf *cough*

Hate goons, hate test, love the fact they are killing each other.

Is El Quirko really your son?




I'm aware of at least one posting right here right now

So, I am basically looking for reasons why people hate the Goons.

I really don't see a valid reason for it, except for of course, they are so successful and we envy you for that.

Anyway, here's a list of possible reasons, plus their debunk.

You got ganked during Hulkageddon.
Well, you were warned WAY WAY WAY in advance, in fact, you couldn't even log into the game without being WELL notified of the event.
Therefore, any loss of mining barge during this period, in name of the goons, is entirely on you not paying attention and not being part of the eve community ( more likely, you are just here to make isk per hour and F anything else is your average attitude )

You got ganked during burn Jita
Basically, same rules apply.

You were part of a sov holding corp that got booted out by Goons.
Well, it's the name of the game I'm afraid, you failing to hold that sov, has nothing to do with them cheating or anything, more with them applying the superior tactics and mentality.
Again, this is not a reason to hate, merely a reason to envy.


And now, the TEST thing, why so many people seem to help TEST, simply because they hate the Goons.
You guys do know TEST got hold of sov because Goons helped them right?
You guys also know they were friendly towards each other for a really long time right?
You guys do know TEST backstabber the Goons first right?
So, considering this, if any of the above mentioned reasons for hating Goons is your reason for hating Goons, why are you helping a backstabbing alliance?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend right?
Well, all it's gonna do is replace "evil" with a new "evil" ( in case TEST manages to succeed somehow ).


So basically, all I'd like to know is, could you post why you hate the Goons? and also, please refrain from using the already mentioned reasons, unless you have something constructive to say about my debunking.

There's no "organisation" - it's a forum that anyone is free to join. SomethingAwful is not a website run by or for people who play Eve - in fact the overwhelming majority of goons don't play the game find eve players quite insufferable which is something we can all relate to

In 2005, William Freund sought advice in the Something Awful gun subforum about purchasing Hevi-Shot brand ammunition[20] several days before embarking on a "shooting rampage", in which he killed two people before committing suicide. Freund had stated in the thread, which was closed before the killing spree, along with his ability to post comments being revoked, that he intended to use the ammunition to defend his Halloween pumpkins from vandals.[21][22]

On September 25, 2007, a forum user posted a thread about a double homicide in Oviedo, Florida that involved an acquaintance.[23] As the thread grew, other forum users eventually found the website of Andrew Allred, who posted on the forums as "Bomber166".[23] The website contained significant details about the victims and the murder;[citation needed] Allred's account was subsequently banned and Allred himself was later arraigned on two counts of homicide, attempted murder and armed burglary.[22] He has since pleaded guilty to the murders of Tiffany Barwick and Michael Ruschack.[24]

Why would anyone who plays EvE which is a game based around player created content hate a group that is known for providing large amounts of player content, stories and examples of emergent gameplay.

Add the Technium exploit (which went unfixed for years) and the asshattery does not help with PR.

They are allowed to play like they want, but the public also has a right to judge them by it.

To see them at gate camps also makes them appear like ***** even (now don't scream Godwin's Law) with the tendency to use waffe in their corp names they even want to exploit the image. But riding through those gate camps that's the impression I get from them. I detest that, truly, and if anything that is why I want the Goons hive incinerated. The rest of their activities doesn't personally affect me, but what I see is their jackboot and it needs to be rammed up some tiny little striped beehinds.

Oh my


You have the wrong evil empire allow me to educate you.

Well, judging by this thread goons are losing the war.

Hey, Bat Country player how is it with the IsBoxing with Mittani named alts again?

Do you guys kiss his feet and ring too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

Because EvE suffers from a syndrome know especially with the EQ/EQII franchise: where only a couple raid guilds rule, and they controlled the economy and access to content.

WoW doesn't have that problem as no 1 guild can control the game; the economy or access. They can be powerful and have the best raiders, but they don't dictate content or access.

EvE isn't the sandbox game folks keep wanting to believe, it suffers from some really old problems seen in older MMOs. It's allowed as those who developed EvE consider it's fine, as that was the status quo game play.