We are not allowed to discuss xploits on the forums...you know this.

Someone needs to pay the bills to let us have fun.

Why? You're IsBoxing multiple accounts as it is.

Maybe if you had 1 or 2 accounts you can PLEX like anyone else!

Why would I personally PLEX my 5 accounts when people are more than willing to PLEX it for me?

So, I am basically looking for reasons why people hate the Goons.

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Anyway, here's a list of possible reasons, plus their debunk.

The alliance pays for the plex of all goons so they can play for free?

Why would I personally PLEX my 5 accounts when people are more than willing to PLEX it for me?

Do you mean the traffic jam trying to get into jita? Yea, thats not us although it is like a very good warp bubble for catching everything from afk freighters to shuttles stuffed full of plex and sleeper junk.

No, people give me money because I'm a really nice person.

Someone gives you 5 plex every month because you are nice?

There's a story behind that.

The only thing I hate about them is that they don't make more regular incursions into Highsec.

Wow...

Sure Goonswarm pays plex for all if its several thousand members every month.

Nor does blob fleet wars dictated by IsBox.

At least there's a chance the high sec mission runner and miner are actually human.

I once genuinely "hated" goons for how they managed to take down BoB. When I first started playing, BoB was the big alliance, and I was awed and impressed, I respected them and felt they did no wrong. So when one of the goons got ahold of one of the executor accounts (paid the guy off or actually bought the account, I don't really remember how the story goes), I felt that was one of the dirtiest things, and I instantly lost respect for them. I was even maliciously excited when I heard they suffered the same fate the following year, and I thought, "Serves them right" "payback is a female dog", etc etc.

Well, I was doing research one day, and come to find out BoB was quite dirty, even working with CCP devs who were in alliance to screw an old powerhouse alliance named Ascendant Frontier. So I have to take that into account and maybe give goons a few white knight point for taking down BoB.

But then there was the whole 4x4'ing through the sandbox thing. To me, that's just pure arrogance that flies in the face of CCP

Then there was Starfleet Dental over on STO

Since they had locked down the Technium market, that isn't a far-fetched idea.

Plus, they are indybears >> ISK factory.

I would like to think your acting stupid but I just cant be sure.

It's worth pointing out that we informed CCP that exactly this scenario could happen, and they seemed to think no one could be organised enough to pull it off, so it would never be an issue and wasn't labelled as an exploit. A bit of revisionist thinking by CCP labelled it an exploit due to the sheer scale by which our FT were able to pull it off. Much was made of this both ways, but I'm of the mind if you tell CCP "this can be exploited" and CCP say "no, that's ok, thats not an exploit" and then you go and prove them wrong, then you're not so much exploiting the game as you are the naivety of CCP. Either way, it was not a clear "bad goons do bad things" as some would have you believe.

I have no idea why you're against having fun with people who roleplay Orion sex slaves in open areas of a game aimed at a youngish audience. Sadly this is a large part of the playerbase, which is the only reason STO haven't hellbanned people for doing it. Goons are the good guys here.

If you want to know why we do what we do, just look at the angry impotent howls of people like Ace Uoweme. Look at him, spending hours at a time on a forum posting about how much he just doesn't care.

Since they had locked down the Technium market, that isn't a far-fetched idea.

Plus, they are indybears >> ISK factory.

Given that not only is the thing you said impossible to do it is also completely unneeded given that a freighter aligns so slowly and most of our targets are AFK and auto piloting to boot.

Actually, I don't know if you guys keep in touch with SFD over there, but recently there was a Foundry mission exploit where you could create multiple missions with the same object interaction objectives that would net you (depending on how hardcore you wanted to exploit) literally anywhere from tens of thousands dilithium to millions of dilithium in mere seconds. I personally took advantage of it but not on a scale others did. People were creating throw-away accounts to farm these missions and refine their maximum 8k dilithium a day, transfering it to a main character, and making new toons to do it over again. One of my corpmates had made 43 such missions and had 35 toons farming these to make millions and he got a 72 hour ban.

Well, the leader of SFD apparently got perma-banned, so I don't even know what he was up to but it must have been epic, and SFD's response was to basically buy up all the Jem'Hadar Attack Ships (most OP offensive ship in game, worth 100million EC) off the market and simply destroy them as some form of protest or attack. I don't think it would hurt anyone but the players by driving the price up insanely as those are limited edition ships.

To me, it just seemed par for the course, we exploited and got caught and now if you don't give us back our leader we have so much in-game money that we'll break the market and make the game miserable for everyone else type deal.

Again, I don't know the full story on these. It's just little things here and there that I hear that make impressions of an entity that has never affected me personally.

Kranh'rhh, thanks for the thoughtful responses!



Ok, I accept that.



Actually, I don't know if you guys keep in touch with SFD over there, but recently there was a Foundry mission exploit where you could create multiple missions with the same object interaction objectives that would net you (depending on how hardcore you wanted to exploit) literally anywhere from tens of thousands dilithium to millions of dilithium in mere seconds. I personally took advantage of it but not on a scale others did. People were creating throw-away accounts to farm these missions and refine their maximum 8k dilithium a day, transfering it to a main character, and making new toons to do it over again. One of my corpmates had made 43 such missions and had 35 toons farming these to make millions and he got a 72 hour ban.

Well, the leader of SFD apparently got perma-banned, so I don't even know what he was up to but it must have been epic, and SFD's response was to basically buy up all the Jem'Hadar Attack Ships (most OP offensive ship in game, worth 100million EC) off the market and simply destroy them as some form of protest or attack. I don't think it would hurt anyone but the players by driving the price up insanely as those are limited edition ships.

To me, it just seemed par for the course, we exploited and got caught and now if you don't give us back our leader we have so much in-game money that we'll break the market and make the game miserable for everyone else type deal.

Again, I don't know the full story on these. It's just little things here and there that I hear that make impressions of an entity that has never affected me personally.

What THING did I say? Also not all pilots that get spam attacked and laged and locked up are not AFK auto pilot.

I know of a couple used to gank freighters that involved causing them to lag out and lock up