So, I am basically looking for reasons why people hate the Goons.

Goons = Wal-Mart.

'nuff said.

It's loathsome. I actually loath goons, as people. I very rarely run into them in real life, but when I do I loath them. That guy standing in line wearing sweatpants which aren't fully covering his butt, with his gut hanging out? Wearing a smug look of contempt upon his countenance? Yeah, that's a goon and I hate him.

No, that's a mirror

WE'RE BAD AND WE SHOULD FEEL BAD.

They paid 15$ to join an internet forum.

inb4 "I didn't pay"

Yeah right, I'm sure you paid twice to get a little picture for your avatar.

so sad.

But this isn't the only reason just part of it. What is the desire to join an internet forum like that? Where does it come from? I would posit it comes from a deep seated desire to be special. To be part of an exclusive club, an "in-crowd" and the community of SA reflects that. Indeed Goonswarm in EVE reflects this mentality, of elitism, false superiority, unabashed neckbeardism.

It's loathsome. I actually loath goons, as people. I very rarely run into them in real life, but when I do I loath them. That guy standing in line wearing sweatpants which aren't fully covering his butt, with his gut hanging out? Wearing a smug look of contempt upon his countenance? Yeah, that's a goon and I hate him.

Oh, lel! No it's ur mom! LEL :D XD

I shouldn't have even posted that, it will give them the impression that someone cares. I mean there's truth obviously to what I wrote, but the reality is those kind of people are just lolcows you milk when you're bored

Well, if my guesswork is not to far off, this war could be a very decisive one.
Looking at the numbers during the history of eve, i see many alliances who have or have had sov.
This number of alliances is slowly going down and is turning into bigger alliances holding more sov, in stead of many alliances holding little sov.

If TEST wins this war, they will become the biggest entity in eve, if Goons win, they will be the biggest.
Either of them winning, will result in a truly gigantic alliance/coalition, holding never before seen sov numbers.

So yes, in that regard, wal-mart makes sense, but it would count for both of them.

They paid 15$ to join an internet forum.

inb4 "I didn't pay"

Yeah right, I'm sure you paid twice to get a little picture for your avatar.

so sad.

But this isn't the only reason just part of it. What is the desire to join an internet forum like that? Where does it come from? I would posit it comes from a deep seated desire to be special. To be part of an exclusive club, an "in-crowd" and the community of SA reflects that. Indeed Goonswarm in EVE reflects this mentality, of elitism, false superiority, unabashed neckbeardism.

It's loathsome. I actually loath goons, as people. I very rarely run into them in real life, but when I do I loath them. That guy standing in line wearing sweatpants which aren't fully covering his butt, with his gut hanging out? Wearing a smug look of contempt upon his countenance? Yeah, that's a goon and I hate him.

They paid 15$ to join an internet forum.

inb4 "I didn't pay"

Yeah right, I'm sure you paid twice to get a little picture for your avatar.

so sad.

But this isn't the only reason just part of it. What is the desire to join an internet forum like that? Where does it come from? I would posit it comes from a deep seated desire to be special. To be part of an exclusive club, an "in-crowd" and the community of SA reflects that. Indeed Goonswarm in EVE reflects this mentality, of elitism, false superiority, unabashed neckbeardism.

It's loathsome. I actually loath goons, as people. I very rarely run into them in real life, but when I do I loath them. That guy standing in line wearing sweatpants which aren't fully covering his butt, with his gut hanging out? Wearing a smug look of contempt upon his countenance? Yeah, that's a goon and I hate him.

It's pay-to-join, because people who can't form an opinion past "this group of people are all bad, because they're bad" whilst tilting ad-hominem attacks with no merit, get banned. And, on banning terrible people with awful opinions, they're disinclined to re-reg to say the same thing, and be banned again. Since it costs, see.

In short, it's a good forum because people like you aren't welcome. That's worth $10 of my money.

People hate us in EvE because of out-group/in-group psychology, with the gameplay acting as a conflict driver. It's no more complicated to understand than why uninformed people hate(d) Jews, african-americans, or any other group.

It's pay-to-join, because people who can't form an opinion past "this group of people are all bad, because they're bad" whilst tilting ad-hominem attacks with no merit, get banned. And, on banning terrible people with awful opinions, they're disinclined to re-reg to say the same thing, and be banned again. Since it costs, see.

In short, it's a good forum because people like you aren't welcome. That's worth $10 of my money.

People hate us in EvE because of out-group/in-group psychology, with the gameplay acting as a conflict driver. It's no more complicated to understand than why uninformed people hate(d) Jews, african-americans, or any other group.

*puts on uniform*

"I'm happy to pay $$ to be in this group because it doesn't have your group in it who are constantly grouping people"

wow thank you so much for that

I've never had direct dealings with any Goons, but I kinda like them because the typical Goon hater is a repulsive whinebear.

Exactly the reasons why I tend to not like them, as they get support from asshats and weirdos.

...You are the company you keep...

WE'RE BAD AND WE SHOULD FEEL BAD.

Goons? What about them? They do their thing I do my thing and we play in the same sandbox. Nothing more to be said really.

-Perhaps some people need a scapegoat they can blame for their own demise.

Widot ...

English, please. Goon gibberish is incomprehensible.

They paid 15$ to join an internet forum.

inb4 "I didn't pay"

Yeah right, I'm sure you paid twice to get a little picture for your avatar.

so sad.

But this isn't the only reason just part of it. What is the desire to join an internet forum like that? Where does it come from? I would posit it comes from a deep seated desire to be special. To be part of an exclusive club, an "in-crowd" and the community of SA reflects that. Indeed Goonswarm in EVE reflects this mentality, of elitism, false superiority, unabashed neckbeardism.

It's loathsome. I actually loath goons, as people. I very rarely run into them in real life, but when I do I loath them. That guy standing in line wearing sweatpants which aren't fully covering his butt, with his gut hanging out? Wearing a smug look of contempt upon his countenance? Yeah, that's a goon and I hate him.

*puts on uniform*

"I'm happy to pay $$ to be in this group because it doesn't have your group in it who are constantly grouping people"

wow thank you so much for that

I didn't pay. Someone else bought me an account as a gift.

Just so you know, really dumb straw-man arguments like this are also largely absent.

All in all, I'm inclined to ask which of the recent "HEY GUISE I REGEREISTERED HERE TO JOINS YOUR GUILDS TODAY LOL" posters you are. Or are you just really angry at a site you're going to claim you've never visited or registered with?

(see previous comment about the uninformed hating on groups)

There went the idea of a $10 fee as a method of controlling spam...

But interesting intelligence in how easy it's to infiltrate the organization though.

You're having trouble with reading comprehension, remember that guy I described in my first post towards the bottom? I'm poking him with a stick right now.



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So, I am basically looking for reasons why people hate the Goons.

I really don't see a valid reason for it, except for of course, they are so successful and we envy you for that.

Anyway, here's a list of possible reasons, plus their debunk.

You got ganked during Hulkageddon.
Well, you were warned WAY WAY WAY in advance, in fact, you couldn't even log into the game without being WELL notified of the event.
Therefore, any loss of mining barge during this period, in name of the goons, is entirely on you not paying attention and not being part of the eve community ( more likely, you are just here to make isk per hour and F anything else is your average attitude )

You got ganked during burn Jita
Basically, same rules apply.

You were part of a sov holding corp that got booted out by Goons.
Well, it's the name of the game I'm afraid, you failing to hold that sov, has nothing to do with them cheating or anything, more with them applying the superior tactics and mentality.
Again, this is not a reason to hate, merely a reason to envy.


And now, the TEST thing, why so many people seem to help TEST, simply because they hate the Goons.
You guys do know TEST got hold of sov because Goons helped them right?
You guys also know they were friendly towards each other for a really long time right?
You guys do know TEST backstabber the Goons first right?
So, considering this, if any of the above mentioned reasons for hating Goons is your reason for hating Goons, why are you helping a backstabbing alliance?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend right?
Well, all it's gonna do is replace "evil" with a new "evil" ( in case TEST manages to succeed somehow ).


So basically, all I'd like to know is, could you post why you hate the Goons? and also, please refrain from using the already mentioned reasons, unless you have something constructive to say about my debunking.

I donGÇÖt feel sorry for them at all. They made their bed let them lay in it. With any luck they will get wiped off the map like BOB was.

KARMA.....

Im not sure you quite understand what karma is supposed to be


So I shall assume you are using the popularist variant of its meaning

There's no "organisation" - it's a forum that anyone is free to join. SomethingAwful is not a website run by or for people who play Eve - in fact the overwhelming majority of goons don't play the game find eve players quite insufferable which is something we can all relate to

Goons are a good thing
Goons are a great thing
Goons are the best thing.

I'm aware it had 2 different murderers who posted there too

Im not sure you quite understand what karma is supposed to be


So I shall assume you are using the popularist variant of its meaning

Here's a description drawn in crayon to be explicitly clear:

Americans love to root for the underdog.

Underdog meets the Goons.

Underdog loves honey.

Underdog kills the hive in the process.

Underdog is cheered as the hero for removing the pests.

If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword.

That's Karma.

Im not sure you quite understand what karma is supposed to be


So I shall assume you are using the popularist variant of its meaning

Here's a description drawn in crayon to be explicitly clear:

Americans love to root for the underdog.

Underdog meets the Goons.

Underdog loves honey.

Underdog kills the hive in the process.

Underdog is cheered as the hero for removing the pests.

If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword.

That's Karma.

I'm pretty sure building bad relationships that negatively effect you later falls under all the definitions of karma.

They paid 15$ to join an internet forum.

inb4 "I didn't pay"

Yeah right, I'm sure you paid twice to get a little picture for your avatar.

so sad.

But this isn't the only reason just part of it. What is the desire to join an internet forum like that? Where does it come from? I would posit it comes from a deep seated desire to be special. To be part of an exclusive club, an "in-crowd" and the community of SA reflects that. Indeed Goonswarm in EVE reflects this mentality, of elitism, false superiority, unabashed neckbeardism.

It's loathsome. I actually loath goons, as people. I very rarely run into them in real life, but when I do I loath them. That guy standing in line wearing sweatpants which aren't fully covering his butt, with his gut hanging out? Wearing a smug look of contempt upon his countenance? Yeah, that's a goon and I hate him.

No, thats politics or diplomacy you are thinking of

Why not both?

Goons have spent ages making enemies in a closed off world. There's only a finite amount of 'political space' for them to kick about in and **** people off.

To me, it seems that maybe they've just made too many enemies in their time in game, and it's reached a bit of a critical mass. Where, combined with their smugging, people have found the conditions right and enough other people feeling the same that they are turning around and going 'you know what, let's kick 'em in the teeth and take them down a peg or two'



s'my 2p

Most of the goon hate comes from its history. Goons have demonstrated over and over again that they have zero respect for the game or the gaming community by exploiting every and any exploitable mechanic or bug in the game.

Most of our current crop of enemies have been told that they should hate us so they do so, like sheep (TEST). The rest fall under the category of folks who have been evicted from their space by us repeatedly over the years.

You guys do know TEST backstabber the Goons first right?
So, considering this, if any of the above mentioned reasons for hating Goons is your reason for hating Goons, why are you helping a backstabbing alliance?

-Perhaps the hate towards the Goons is the hate that was towards BoB back when it had sov.

Im not sure you quite understand what karma is supposed to be


So I shall assume you are using the popularist variant of its meaning

[quote=Mark Androcius]THAT i do find funny about goons... they utterly hated bob back in the days for what they were and did.
but NOW goons are no better then what BoB was :)
so they Hated what they have become today :) gj goons

reason why i dislike goons is their interaction within ccp on affecting the game considering how many goons/ex goons work there now and this so called democratic voting for CSM where alliances make a vote list for their members to vote how the leadership wants.
and with the mittani there for a while i can only presume alot has been done in "favor" of goons or how they play the game.




*cough* titan nerf *cough*

Hate goons, hate test, love the fact they are killing each other.

Is El Quirko really your son?




I'm aware of at least one posting right here right now

So, I am basically looking for reasons why people hate the Goons.

I really don't see a valid reason for it, except for of course, they are so successful and we envy you for that.

Anyway, here's a list of possible reasons, plus their debunk.

You got ganked during Hulkageddon.
Well, you were warned WAY WAY WAY in advance, in fact, you couldn't even log into the game without being WELL notified of the event.
Therefore, any loss of mining barge during this period, in name of the goons, is entirely on you not paying attention and not being part of the eve community ( more likely, you are just here to make isk per hour and F anything else is your average attitude )

You got ganked during burn Jita
Basically, same rules apply.

You were part of a sov holding corp that got booted out by Goons.
Well, it's the name of the game I'm afraid, you failing to hold that sov, has nothing to do with them cheating or anything, more with them applying the superior tactics and mentality.
Again, this is not a reason to hate, merely a reason to envy.


And now, the TEST thing, why so many people seem to help TEST, simply because they hate the Goons.
You guys do know TEST got hold of sov because Goons helped them right?
You guys also know they were friendly towards each other for a really long time right?
You guys do know TEST backstabber the Goons first right?
So, considering this, if any of the above mentioned reasons for hating Goons is your reason for hating Goons, why are you helping a backstabbing alliance?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend right?
Well, all it's gonna do is replace "evil" with a new "evil" ( in case TEST manages to succeed somehow ).


So basically, all I'd like to know is, could you post why you hate the Goons? and also, please refrain from using the already mentioned reasons, unless you have something constructive to say about my debunking.

There's no "organisation" - it's a forum that anyone is free to join. SomethingAwful is not a website run by or for people who play Eve - in fact the overwhelming majority of goons don't play the game find eve players quite insufferable which is something we can all relate to

In 2005, William Freund sought advice in the Something Awful gun subforum about purchasing Hevi-Shot brand ammunition[20] several days before embarking on a "shooting rampage", in which he killed two people before committing suicide. Freund had stated in the thread, which was closed before the killing spree, along with his ability to post comments being revoked, that he intended to use the ammunition to defend his Halloween pumpkins from vandals.[21][22]

On September 25, 2007, a forum user posted a thread about a double homicide in Oviedo, Florida that involved an acquaintance.[23] As the thread grew, other forum users eventually found the website of Andrew Allred, who posted on the forums as "Bomber166".[23] The website contained significant details about the victims and the murder;[citation needed] Allred's account was subsequently banned and Allred himself was later arraigned on two counts of homicide, attempted murder and armed burglary.[22] He has since pleaded guilty to the murders of Tiffany Barwick and Michael Ruschack.[24]

Why would anyone who plays EvE which is a game based around player created content hate a group that is known for providing large amounts of player content, stories and examples of emergent gameplay.

Add the Technium exploit (which went unfixed for years) and the asshattery does not help with PR.

They are allowed to play like they want, but the public also has a right to judge them by it.

To see them at gate camps also makes them appear like ***** even (now don't scream Godwin's Law) with the tendency to use waffe in their corp names they even want to exploit the image. But riding through those gate camps that's the impression I get from them. I detest that, truly, and if anything that is why I want the Goons hive incinerated. The rest of their activities doesn't personally affect me, but what I see is their jackboot and it needs to be rammed up some tiny little striped beehinds.

Oh my


You have the wrong evil empire allow me to educate you.

Well, judging by this thread goons are losing the war.

Hey, Bat Country player how is it with the IsBoxing with Mittani named alts again?

Do you guys kiss his feet and ring too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

Because EvE suffers from a syndrome know especially with the EQ/EQII franchise: where only a couple raid guilds rule, and they controlled the economy and access to content.

WoW doesn't have that problem as no 1 guild can control the game; the economy or access. They can be powerful and have the best raiders, but they don't dictate content or access.

EvE isn't the sandbox game folks keep wanting to believe, it suffers from some really old problems seen in older MMOs. It's allowed as those who developed EvE consider it's fine, as that was the status quo game play.

That solely depends on how you define this. There are no 'Raid Guilds' dominating, there are rather large Alliances dominating.
You can still get stuff from those regions, they are not as dangerous as you might think. Without renting, I mean.

Confirming though, that you are unable to build a 5-man "Empire" that will be entirely safe and will make you feel like a god.
Find some few thousand others, then you can do that.

So, I am basically looking for reasons why people hate the Goons.

It's just lipstick on the same pig (no matter how it's carved up...it's still pork).

Switch an avatar guild ruling a server, for an EvE alliance...bingo...it's deju vu all over again.

I left EQII after the worst 4+hr server bitchfest over one avatar guild from hell. After that GL got his mug on EQ2Flame's wall of shame, I left satisfied justice was served. Went to WoW and did everything I could to fight for access, as I hate this stupidity of paying for some bozos to act like lords, with the mentality of slime mold.

Devs who want to create worlds like this better just go F2P. When players are paying for game time, leave that bullshit where it belongs, buried in EQ/EQII and put a stake into it's blackest heart.

I hate neither. Goons are a collection of teletubbies worshippers whereas TEST are a bunch of rabid My Little Pony fangurls, and they have gotten into this heated argument of which show is the best.

I just sit back and watch natural selection do its work.

With all due respect, I have read a lot of your posts on various topics and I think you should take some time before you compare bitchfest with bitchfest. ;) No offense meant...

Meanwhile, you ***** about bitching after reading "a lot" of my posts?

Honey, that flame war would melt satan's face. It was much deserved, and any guild that mattered gave that guild the proper dressing down it deserved. That's the karma idiots deserved, and if the Goons keeps pushing buttons, what they'll receive as well, regardless of being CCP darlings.

And now, the TEST thing, why so many people seem to help TEST, simply because they hate the Goons.
You guys do know TEST got hold of sov because Goons helped them right?
You guys also know they were friendly towards each other for a really long time right?
You guys do know TEST backstabber the Goons first right?
So, considering this, if any of the above mentioned reasons for hating Goons is your reason for hating Goons, why are you helping a backstabbing alliance?

I hate neither. Goons are a collection of teletubbies worshippers whereas TEST are a bunch of rabid My Little Pony fangurls, and they have gotten into this heated argument of which show is the best.

I just sit back and watch natural selection do its work.

So, I am basically looking for reasons why people hate the Goons.
Then I'm going to make up a bunch of straw-man arguments and knock them down myself. No one's allowed to call me on any of my bullshit - all you can do is explain why you suck so much.

/discus

So, I am basically looking for reasons why people hate the Goons.

I really don't see a valid reason for it, except for of course, they are so successful and we envy you for that.

Anyway, here's a list of possible reasons, plus their debunk.

You got ganked during Hulkageddon.
Well, you were warned WAY WAY WAY in advance, in fact, you couldn't even log into the game without being WELL notified of the event.
Therefore, any loss of mining barge during this period, in name of the goons, is entirely on you not paying attention and not being part of the eve community ( more likely, you are just here to make isk per hour and F anything else is your average attitude )

You got ganked during burn Jita
Basically, same rules apply.

You were part of a sov holding corp that got booted out by Goons.
Well, it's the name of the game I'm afraid, you failing to hold that sov, has nothing to do with them cheating or anything, more with them applying the superior tactics and mentality.
Again, this is not a reason to hate, merely a reason to envy.


And now, the TEST thing, why so many people seem to help TEST, simply because they hate the Goons.
You guys do know TEST got hold of sov because Goons helped them right?
You guys also know they were friendly towards each other for a really long time right?
You guys do know TEST backstabber the Goons first right?
So, considering this, if any of the above mentioned reasons for hating Goons is your reason for hating Goons, why are you helping a backstabbing alliance?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend right?
Well, all it's gonna do is replace "evil" with a new "evil" ( in case TEST manages to succeed somehow ).


So basically, all I'd like to know is, could you post why you hate the Goons? and also, please refrain from using the already mentioned reasons, unless you have something constructive to say about my debunking.

But have to admit that W-HAT (SL SA folks) were absolute auties that no one liked. Even my friend who was a member of SA and came to W-HAT just couldn't stand them.

Because EvE suffers from a syndrome know especially with the EQ/EQII franchise: where only a couple raid guilds rule, and they controlled the economy and access to content.

WoW doesn't have that problem as no 1 guild can control the game; the economy or access. They can be powerful and have the best raiders, but they don't dictate content or access.

EvE isn't the sandbox game folks keep wanting to believe, it suffers from some really old problems seen in older MMOs. It's allowed as those who developed EvE consider it's fine, as that was the status quo game play.

Went to WoW and did everything I could to fight for access

Never not post when you have no idea what you're talking about.

I guess the propaganda is working though.

Never not post when you have no idea what you're talking about.

I guess the propaganda is working though.

For starters Ace, seriously, enough with the WoW shtick. We get it. You ******* love World of Warcraft. We don't. Hence why we play a game that requires a brain instead. For the love of God, please stop shitting up every thread in GD with that nonsense. Thanks.

That being said, I like the Goons as an entity. Sure they have members who are d***bags, what alliance doesnt. As a group though, they do the evil empire thing very well and bring bucketloads of real, player made content to all parts of Eve. For the most part they are some of the classier posters on Eve-O, which makes it a little easier on my brain when perusing the forums at lunch.

I'd take the conversation of a goon any day of the week over that of a hi-sec miner/whiner or TESTicle.

To be fair, high sec mission running and mining require almost zero thought

For starters Ace, seriously, enough with the WoW shtick. We get it. You ******* love World of Warcraft. We don't. Hence why we play a game that requires a brain instead. For the love of God, please stop shitting up every thread in GD with that nonsense. Thanks.

Goons are great content.

They would be fantastic content if CCP ever got their thumbs out and implemented Block [Corp] and Block [Alliance]

Brings new perspective to :

Go back to World of Warcraft.


GB2wow

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You are a spiteful little turd aren't you? So much tinfoil and impotent rage.

You don't know what I know.

Put a fork in it, Francis. You don't know what I know. But I do know EvE resembles EQII's raid guild superiority to the "T", right down to how it tries to manipulate the market.

No one told me anything about you. All I know about you fools is...

1. How you act.
2. How you present yourself.
3. What you have done.
4. What you have exploited.

And I don't like any of it.

EvE allows you to do the things you do, but EvE also allows you to be judged for it.

Don't like the "propaganda", don't do the things you do. It's that simple.

No one but you picked your PR disaster name, either. You really want to be hated, and there's no one to blame for it but YOU.

Grow up and take responsibility, not defer it like the typical brain dead mouthbreathing PvPer.

The rage runs deep with this one.

Tell me, just for giggles, what exploits we have done.

you do know that ALOT of alliance have backstabbed each other through the years like Razor, PL, WI and many more...

[quote=Mascha Tzash]

Sticks and stones may break my bones but this ugly face took on you wretches of high sec and won five times now. Thanks for letting us get disgustingly rich while you wallow in a self made pit of rage and bad posting. Let us know if you are getting cold in our skullthrones shadow and we will see about setting fire to things around you.

I almost feel bad for maybe ruining the beautiful drama you are trying to create, but (as far as I know) the driving force behind this war is not hate.
The driving factor is fun. I know, it sounds incredible. Having bigass fleet fights, blowing up internet spaceships and stuff like this.
And, of course, surprising the goons since we really LOVE shooting structures all day while listening to Celine Dione.

Sticks and stones may break my bones but this ugly face took on you wretches of high sec and won five times now. Thanks for letting us get disgustingly rich while you wallow in a self made pit of rage and bad posting. Let us know if you are getting cold in our skullthrones shadow and we will see about setting fire to things around you.

^^^ Drunk posting, best posting.

Why is moon goo classified as PvE? It's only obtained through PvP.

Because it is PvE material.

[quote=TheButcherPete]Goons are a good thing
Goons are a great thing
Goons are the best thing.

Goons are great content.

They would be fantastic content if CCP ever got their thumbs out and implemented Block [Corp] and Block [Alliance]

Your face is an exploit as it is.

You. Are. Ugly.



Now biomass yourself.

I'm impressed with this Ace guy. You just dethroned Darth Nefarius as the King of Bads and Uninformed.

Sticks and stones may break my bones but this ugly face took on you wretches of high sec and won five times now. Thanks for letting us get disgustingly rich while you wallow in a self made pit of rage and bad posting. Let us know if you are getting cold in our skullthrones shadow and we will see about setting fire to things around you.

[Dude, seriously? This - this right here - is the very best you could come up with?

What an idiot.

I'm impressed with this Ace guy. You just dethroned Darth Nefarius as the King of Bads and Uninformed.

The rage runs deep with this one.

Tell me, just for giggles, what exploits we have done.

If you can't take what it takes to be the big guy on the block, maybe you need to leave with the tail between the legs as you started.

Because if you can't take the words on the screen, you're what folks consider Goons to be: sensitive weaklings.

All that tear talk, and already reaching for Kleenexes because Ace a three month old throw away alt, called you a twerp.

Seriously, see a shrink.

So, I am basically looking for reasons why people hate the Goons.

I don't even...

Because they got told so, I guess.

We are not allowed to discuss xploits on the forums...you know this. I know of a couple used to gank freighters that involved causing them to lag out and lock up...sound familiar???

Indeed. Most of the so-called "haters" would have never even seen a Goon (or someone from Test) and are simply parroting what everyone else says, because they like to fit in.

Having never been to Null myself ,I have never seen a Goon or a Test pilot (that I know of), and therefore I find myself neither liking nor disliking them.

With goons its all about the isk. Not all about the fun. Its a game guys not real life - unless you are the mittani.

Mittani says as much. They go to war for isk and their main tactic is to deny the enemy fun - even though, blue balling, sitting in a station is no fun for them either. Yet the goons listen like good little dogs because making isk is super important. It's pity not hate.

Someone needs to pay the bills to let us have fun.

I don't actually hate goons, but I hate hate hate HATE the name. Why does one of the most long standing and powerful alliances in the game have such a goofy sounding name? I can't help but think of the old fat lipped stupid mobsters in old bus bunny cartoons when I hear the name "goons".

We are not allowed to discuss xploits on the forums...you know this.

Someone needs to pay the bills to let us have fun.

Why? You're IsBoxing multiple accounts as it is.

Maybe if you had 1 or 2 accounts you can PLEX like anyone else!

Why would I personally PLEX my 5 accounts when people are more than willing to PLEX it for me?

So, I am basically looking for reasons why people hate the Goons.

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Anyway, here's a list of possible reasons, plus their debunk.

The alliance pays for the plex of all goons so they can play for free?

Why would I personally PLEX my 5 accounts when people are more than willing to PLEX it for me?

Do you mean the traffic jam trying to get into jita? Yea, thats not us although it is like a very good warp bubble for catching everything from afk freighters to shuttles stuffed full of plex and sleeper junk.

No, people give me money because I'm a really nice person.

Someone gives you 5 plex every month because you are nice?

There's a story behind that.

The only thing I hate about them is that they don't make more regular incursions into Highsec.

Wow...

Sure Goonswarm pays plex for all if its several thousand members every month.

Nor does blob fleet wars dictated by IsBox.

At least there's a chance the high sec mission runner and miner are actually human.

I once genuinely "hated" goons for how they managed to take down BoB. When I first started playing, BoB was the big alliance, and I was awed and impressed, I respected them and felt they did no wrong. So when one of the goons got ahold of one of the executor accounts (paid the guy off or actually bought the account, I don't really remember how the story goes), I felt that was one of the dirtiest things, and I instantly lost respect for them. I was even maliciously excited when I heard they suffered the same fate the following year, and I thought, "Serves them right" "payback is a female dog", etc etc.

Well, I was doing research one day, and come to find out BoB was quite dirty, even working with CCP devs who were in alliance to screw an old powerhouse alliance named Ascendant Frontier. So I have to take that into account and maybe give goons a few white knight point for taking down BoB.

But then there was the whole 4x4'ing through the sandbox thing. To me, that's just pure arrogance that flies in the face of CCP

Then there was Starfleet Dental over on STO

Since they had locked down the Technium market, that isn't a far-fetched idea.

Plus, they are indybears >> ISK factory.

I would like to think your acting stupid but I just cant be sure.

It's worth pointing out that we informed CCP that exactly this scenario could happen, and they seemed to think no one could be organised enough to pull it off, so it would never be an issue and wasn't labelled as an exploit. A bit of revisionist thinking by CCP labelled it an exploit due to the sheer scale by which our FT were able to pull it off. Much was made of this both ways, but I'm of the mind if you tell CCP "this can be exploited" and CCP say "no, that's ok, thats not an exploit" and then you go and prove them wrong, then you're not so much exploiting the game as you are the naivety of CCP. Either way, it was not a clear "bad goons do bad things" as some would have you believe.

I have no idea why you're against having fun with people who roleplay Orion sex slaves in open areas of a game aimed at a youngish audience. Sadly this is a large part of the playerbase, which is the only reason STO haven't hellbanned people for doing it. Goons are the good guys here.

If you want to know why we do what we do, just look at the angry impotent howls of people like Ace Uoweme. Look at him, spending hours at a time on a forum posting about how much he just doesn't care.

Since they had locked down the Technium market, that isn't a far-fetched idea.

Plus, they are indybears >> ISK factory.

Given that not only is the thing you said impossible to do it is also completely unneeded given that a freighter aligns so slowly and most of our targets are AFK and auto piloting to boot.

Actually, I don't know if you guys keep in touch with SFD over there, but recently there was a Foundry mission exploit where you could create multiple missions with the same object interaction objectives that would net you (depending on how hardcore you wanted to exploit) literally anywhere from tens of thousands dilithium to millions of dilithium in mere seconds. I personally took advantage of it but not on a scale others did. People were creating throw-away accounts to farm these missions and refine their maximum 8k dilithium a day, transfering it to a main character, and making new toons to do it over again. One of my corpmates had made 43 such missions and had 35 toons farming these to make millions and he got a 72 hour ban.

Well, the leader of SFD apparently got perma-banned, so I don't even know what he was up to but it must have been epic, and SFD's response was to basically buy up all the Jem'Hadar Attack Ships (most OP offensive ship in game, worth 100million EC) off the market and simply destroy them as some form of protest or attack. I don't think it would hurt anyone but the players by driving the price up insanely as those are limited edition ships.

To me, it just seemed par for the course, we exploited and got caught and now if you don't give us back our leader we have so much in-game money that we'll break the market and make the game miserable for everyone else type deal.

Again, I don't know the full story on these. It's just little things here and there that I hear that make impressions of an entity that has never affected me personally.

Kranh'rhh, thanks for the thoughtful responses!



Ok, I accept that.



Actually, I don't know if you guys keep in touch with SFD over there, but recently there was a Foundry mission exploit where you could create multiple missions with the same object interaction objectives that would net you (depending on how hardcore you wanted to exploit) literally anywhere from tens of thousands dilithium to millions of dilithium in mere seconds. I personally took advantage of it but not on a scale others did. People were creating throw-away accounts to farm these missions and refine their maximum 8k dilithium a day, transfering it to a main character, and making new toons to do it over again. One of my corpmates had made 43 such missions and had 35 toons farming these to make millions and he got a 72 hour ban.

Well, the leader of SFD apparently got perma-banned, so I don't even know what he was up to but it must have been epic, and SFD's response was to basically buy up all the Jem'Hadar Attack Ships (most OP offensive ship in game, worth 100million EC) off the market and simply destroy them as some form of protest or attack. I don't think it would hurt anyone but the players by driving the price up insanely as those are limited edition ships.

To me, it just seemed par for the course, we exploited and got caught and now if you don't give us back our leader we have so much in-game money that we'll break the market and make the game miserable for everyone else type deal.

Again, I don't know the full story on these. It's just little things here and there that I hear that make impressions of an entity that has never affected me personally.

What THING did I say? Also not all pilots that get spam attacked and laged and locked up are not AFK auto pilot.

I know of a couple used to gank freighters that involved causing them to lag out and lock up

Sounds like they forced STO devs to fix at least a little bit of that horribly broken game.

This is impossible and utterly unneeded. It is a very stupid thing to suggest and has zero evidence to back it up.

I am sure Bat not only didnt know any thing about this but would never take advantage of such an exploit/bug

This is impossible and utterly unneeded. It is a very stupid thing to suggest and has zero evidence to back it up.

If it were possible to produce voice logs of it being done, would that help?

Wow...

Sure Goonswarm pays plex for all if its several thousand members every month.

Why would I personally PLEX my 5 accounts when people are more than willing to PLEX it for me?

Yes, but I'm afraid JHAS and Wells Science Ships still exist.

With the new expansion, it's even more horribly unbalanced now. I figured it was time to come back and see what the old EvE gang was up to.

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One of our freighters went down the other day, reportedly he was sent spam fleet invites and requests to start conversations. So I think freighter pilots need to be in a fleet by themselves and make their CSPA charge 8,000,000,000,000.00. That ought to fix the problem.

Nobody is going to buy your latest crackpot tinfoil goonspiricy

The maximum is 1 million for CSPA. If what your friend claims is true, why has he not petitioned it? because it didn't actually happen

Well then he can go into his options and auto-reject invitations and duel invitations. Problem still solved!

Also, I don't even know who it was, kill was posted in alliance chat and reason given and that was the end of it. For all I know the guy could be lying or he may have indeed petitioned it. All I'm saying is there are ways to prevent it from happening.

Goons are losing in Fountain and can't even hold the systems they break sov in before TEST takes them back and puts a new TCU in. Hopefully they will be pushed out of 0.0 so real players can enjoy the game as CCP intended and not use it as some online bullying platform from their moms basements.

If CCP could see how much damage they do to the game then maybe they would do the right thing and ban them all.