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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
2941
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Posted - 2013.06.28 23:56:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants.
Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink.
Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you.
THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS
Not this again.
Look up a player named Harry Forever. He's making incursions into goon space with T1 frigates, getting kills, and having boatloads of lulz.
Stop complaining and shoot. |
Evelgrivion
Calamitous-Intent
260
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Posted - 2013.06.29 00:01:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants.
Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink.
Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you.
THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS
If you don't want EVE to be hard, EVE doesn't want you.
This game isn't "honor-duels in space," it's "hit them when they're weak, flee when they're strong, harass them when the opportunity comes, catch them by surprise, and destroy them when you can" in space. If you want to feel powerful in New Eden, get friends, get a clue, or get another game. |
Schmata Bastanold
Keep It Burning Stupid
872
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Posted - 2013.06.29 00:01:00 -
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OP, your Eve experience would improve if you would stop posting whine threads and start listening to what people advice you to do. You are around for what, a month or two, and you still don't get it. It doesn't matter what you do - be that piracy, missions, FW, PI, incursions, high/low/null - if you don't learn you will always be that whiny kid everybody hates.
Find a corp which does what you think you want to do now and stick with them for some time. You can always change corps, it is not like RL, you don't need to serve your notice period or anything. Just join some group and learn from them. If they suck learn why they suck and how you can exploit it, if they excell at something learn why they excell and how you can be like them.
Learn 2 play, stop 2 whine. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Disastro
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
84
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Posted - 2013.06.29 00:13:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants.
Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink.
Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you.
THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS
Whine on the forums moar. It works. |
Short Stack122
Noblesse Oblige. Cult of War
2
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Posted - 2013.06.29 00:26:00 -
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confirming that as a player with LESS than 2 months worth of skill i got on plenty of KillMails... i fitted an Atron with webs and points and just held guys down during pvp. had plenty of fun and learned quite a bit.
TL;DR learn how to be effective at your SP level |
ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
1374
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Posted - 2013.06.29 00:35:00 -
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Even if you lose you still were in PvP. Plus not all PvP has to be you solo roaming in FW space. You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument! |
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
5788
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Posted - 2013.06.29 00:37:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants. Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink. Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you. THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS
I understand your frustration. But don't quit just yet You can have some good fun PvPing and quickly too. I think the first Key is GET HELP! Find a good pvp corp that is willing to help train you and especially LEARN HOW TO FIT :)
Different PvP experiences get you different results: Hi-sec solo duel PvP - you have the choice of who you fight. You can scan their ship fits, look at their kb's and see how they fit and determine if you have a good shot at winning the fight possibly.
FW, RvB would be good experiences if you have other players helping you along. Fighting with a fleet is awesome if you have a good FC.
low sec/null sec can be pretty intimidating, but once again if you get in with players that can help you and teach you, then you can be successful at PvP quickly.
It seems as if you are guaging all PvP from a very limited range of experience. Personally I learned to PvP solo in High sec from a couple of corp m8's who had experience. Then before I fought anyone I checked their kb's and looked at how they fit and how successful they were. I found many older pilots than myself having fail fit pvp boats and so I would take them on and win. Your logic says that I should not have been able to win since I was 1 to 2 years younger than them - but that wasn't the case. This then helped me become a better part of fleet operations for wardecs.
I think my whole long post boils down to getting some m8's in game and learning from them and you may find that you can PvP with cheap ships and have some good PvP fun. I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!-á Now... where's Ken? |
Dranchela
Pixel Navigators
31
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Posted - 2013.06.29 00:37:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants.
Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink.
Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you.
THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS
We must be playing a different game, you and I. |
Ari Laveran
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
63
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Posted - 2013.06.29 00:56:00 -
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Confirming that PvP is hard, but not because of SP. I lost 17 frigates to the fires of low sec before I scored my first solo kill but I kept notes and chatted with the guys who blew me up afterwards most were friendly and happy to talk about how I screwed up or even share fits with me. I'm 4 months in and just now getting my head wrapped around eve combat to the point I'm not derping away every ship I take out (though I still do a fair bit of that too). Eve is Guerilla warfare and mind games more than raw dps and tank.
Even the guy who pointed my Ishkur at 30k camping the Dodixie undock during a war dec resulting in a fiery explosion was willing to explain how that was possible and how I could have avoided it.
Off topic: Docking bookmarks if you think you are going to dock there more than once take the time to make a set. |
Daimon Kaiera
Kraken.
363
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Posted - 2013.06.29 01:01:00 -
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Get gallente destroyer I and Weapon Upgrades I.
Fit a 200 dps catalyst.
Go find friends.
Gank miners.
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Seven Koskanaiken
Clan Steel Wolves
224
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Posted - 2013.06.29 01:06:00 -
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Pvp is unfair. The way to win is to be the one doing the unfair, rather than having the unfair done to you. |
Abon
STAHLSTURM Test Alliance Please Ignore
145
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Posted - 2013.06.29 01:11:00 -
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Learning PVP takes a ton of time. Do not underestimate it and do not give up. Try out as much as you can until you find out what fits you. There will be a time when you notice your "shift" to the more experienced side. You will still die tho..just less. |
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
5788
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Posted - 2013.06.29 01:11:00 -
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Daimon Kaiera wrote:Get gallente destroyer I and Weapon Upgrades I.
Fit a 200 dps catalyst.
Go find friends.
Gank miners.
yes..... true EvE fun :) I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!-á Now... where's Ken? |
Sir Mack Inawrex
NEW ORDER DEATH DEALERS CODE.
6
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Posted - 2013.06.29 01:33:00 -
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BoSau Hotim wrote:Daimon Kaiera wrote:Get gallente destroyer I and Weapon Upgrades I.
Fit a 200 dps catalyst.
Go find friends.
Gank miners.
yes..... true EvE fun :) This is actually the first thing I did in my EvE career. The high gunnery skills you quickly accrue are really handy for fitting PVP frigates, I've found. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
2128
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Posted - 2013.06.29 02:11:00 -
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If you're in a fair fight in Eve, someone made a mistake. You know... morons. |
Major Niall
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
14
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Posted - 2013.06.29 02:15:00 -
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OP, sounds like you're trying to solo pvp. Solo PvP can be notoriously skill intensive, because most of the other people who do it have high SP. PvP as a newbie can still be really fun though, you just gotta find a group to pvp with. A browse of the recruitment forums should come up with something that sounds interesting, alternatively hit me up ingame and I can point you towards an excellent training corp who takes even 1 day newbies and teaches them to be a positive part of a pvp gang and make isk. |
Hogarth Starbanger
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.29 02:23:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Pvp is unfair. The way to win is to be the one doing the unfair, rather than having the unfair done to you.
Or until you have enough iskies not to care about fair. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites United Federation of Commerce
957
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Posted - 2013.06.29 02:50:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Pvp is unfair. The way to win is to be the one doing the unfair, rather than having the unfair done to you. if it's a fair fight, somebody ****** up. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
320
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Posted - 2013.06.29 03:00:00 -
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Silvetica Dian wrote:i have no T2 weapons or ships trained. i am 2013 player http://kb.eve-401k.com/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1600685admitedly none of this is solo 1v1 pvp but EvE is a MMO. You are supposed to play with friends. Also i suck at all aspects of PVP. i am trying to learn how to fit, i am trying to learn different ships capabilites and how to counter them, i am trying to learn manual piloting. Making friends with people that are good at these things and learning from what they say and from watching what they do is awesome. Last night i even timed some tackling runs well enough that i tackled something instead of my normal too soon they blapped me or too late they are gone. I think my point is this. Enjoying PVP as a low SP char is down to you not the game design. Winning at PvP is at least as much about player skills as it is about SP. If you are determined to play solo then u will lose a lot of ships before you start killing stuff http://flight-of-dragons.blogspot.co.uk/ this blog will show you the mindset and learning curve needed. It is one of many such blogs read it from the beginning. TL/DR . when you lose fights you can either learn and adapt or rush whining to the forums.
What folks don't get is if you're not just an EvE player, the kill register system in this game is very unrewarding and unfinished.
I just looked at one of your killmails, and yep you played in a group and the group got credit for the kills...everyone.
But when you break down the statistics, you have a logi player with 0% of the only score that matters...DPS.
EvE doesn't even break down role scores, yet there's only one score that matters (and what you'll be judged for).
Logistics player = healer. Why would I want to be judged by 0% of DPS, and not say something like this?
http://worldoflogs.com/rankings/players/Throne_of_Thunder/hps/
Among my peer roles, by what I do?
In a spreadsheet game the main fighting spreadsheet has less info than Recount does in WoW (we don't have killmails, we have realtime comprehensive stats broken down by roles ingame provided by addons, and everyone in a group/raid can see it). If I want to show a"killmail" out of game and across realms, I'll link a WoL link that breaks everything down to timelines of what spell was used even.
This is another reason why I'm not very hot in playing PvP in EvE. The game doesn't have those comprehensive combat stats in real time (and this too is something CCP can improve on...and with a more robust API). "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Lailoken Emrys
Moira. Villore Accords
6
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Posted - 2013.06.29 03:14:00 -
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""Hi, I -just- started playing and I'm sad that I can't kill everything in a 1v1, so the game is bad." |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3745
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Posted - 2013.06.29 03:19:00 -
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Ace Uoweme wrote: But when you break down the statistics, you have a logi player with 0% of the only score that matters...DPS.
EvE doesn't even break down role scores, yet there's only one score that matters (and what you'll be judged for).
Logistics player = healer. Why would I want to be judged by 0% of DPS, and not say something like this?
Someone will hopefully remind you to go back to wow.
Everyone fighting to help test keep those moons it sold to that guy: make sure to put a gun on your logistics. Every single highslot spent on getting on killmails helps, thanks. There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
TEST Defence, Please Ignore |
Bob Blunts
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2013.06.29 03:21:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants.
Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink.
Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you.
THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS
I haven't bothered to read this thread, but I'm wondering if you could be any more wrong in this post if you tried. Join RvB or a good null alliance and lrn2herotackle. Whatever you do, stop lying to new players who arent as bitter and whiny as you. I have a 1.2 million SP alt in RvB that gets kills all the time. |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
320
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Posted - 2013.06.29 03:28:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Ace Uoweme wrote: But when you break down the statistics, you have a logi player with 0% of the only score that matters...DPS.
EvE doesn't even break down role scores, yet there's only one score that matters (and what you'll be judged for).
Logistics player = healer. Why would I want to be judged by 0% of DPS, and not say something like this?
Someone will hopefully remind you to go back to wow. Everyone fighting to help test keep those moons it sold to that guy: make sure to put a gun on your logistics. Every single highslot spent on getting on killmails helps, thanks.
Why would I need to go back to WoW? When I can play both, and actually know what I'm talking about?
If you don't play the game, you are clueless.
Hey, but it's a Goon it's to be expected! "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3746
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Posted - 2013.06.29 03:45:00 -
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Bob Blunts wrote:I haven't bothered to read this thread, but I'm wondering if you could be any more wrong in this post if you tried. Join RvB or a good null alliance and lrn2herotackle. Whatever you do, stop lying to new players who arent as bitter and whiny as you. I have a 1.2 million SP alt in RvB that gets kills all the time. But are they ~solo~ kills, or are you a blobbing, off-grid boosting "cheater" There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
TEST Defence, Please Ignore |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
333
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Posted - 2013.06.29 03:48:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Bob Blunts wrote:I haven't bothered to read this thread, but I'm wondering if you could be any more wrong in this post if you tried. Join RvB or a good null alliance and lrn2herotackle. Whatever you do, stop lying to new players who arent as bitter and whiny as you. I have a 1.2 million SP alt in RvB that gets kills all the time. But are they ~solo~ kills, or are you a blobbing, off-grid boosting "cheater"
Confirming that having friends and being organized is overpowered. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Jonah Gravenstein
Caliban Logistics and Storage
9434
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Posted - 2013.06.29 03:49:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:If you're in a fair fight in Eve, both sides made a mistake. FTFY
In Eve you're a god, why have morals? |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1231
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Posted - 2013.06.29 04:11:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:
No I spend the night going round faction warfare systems trying to find a frigate to fight against and got instant killed in all cases. Then got gate camped and pod killed. You see why I'm not having fun
Well, there's your problem!
Look Padawan, you can't go out on your own as a noob and pew....by yourself...unless you know exactly what you're doing which implies you're not a noob.
But you can pew as a noob. You just have to do it with others filling noob rolls in a fleet. 1v1 doesn't exist in Eve cept for very experienced and knowledgeable pilots. There are so many pitfalls along the way, most of which you're already run into, even for those guys.
Every fleet needs a tackle....and that's traditionally, a role that can be filled by noobs. If you want to brawl, yeah, you're gonna need mad skillz.
HTFU!...for the children! |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
13798
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Posted - 2013.06.29 04:19:00 -
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a¦á_a¦á "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?-á http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny |
rey Aumer
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.29 04:26:00 -
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Honestly, in what MMO, or game at all, can you go in with a new character and expect to compete with high level characters? |
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
320
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Posted - 2013.06.29 04:55:00 -
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rey Aumer wrote:Honestly, in what MMO, or game at all, can you go in with a new character and expect to compete with high level characters?
FPS games you can be a buck private newbie and wipe the battlefield.
FPS games have gear normalization and it's about dexterity skills, not some shiny new gear or unlock that wins.
PvP in MMOs just doesn't compare it's m-u-c-h slower (EvE is even slower than WoW). When I play BF3 I'm not right clicking for 15mins trying to down a ship, if I don't kill 3 at a time in less than 15 seconds, I'll be dead.
When I was playing BF2142 I thought I'd never get that knifing badge (needed to kill 17 players within a match). Matches usually are 30mins or less, so that's less than 1 kill per minute...with a knife and the other guy with his rifle. First badge I got I podded and jumped down on a squad and killed them all in less than 15 seconds. To get the gold badge, it was only completed when I spent 3 days in knifing hell (even on a friendly fire 1024ms South African server!!!) trying to nab DICE Dogtags. Managed to get in the top 20 for the feat.
And Granny did it. Pure skills, too.
FPS = Right to Work. MMOs = Union shop. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
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