yeah and you're lose board also shows you have tech 2 weapons and all your kills have been with a large fleet.

So pretty much what everyone has said is:

• your an idiot and l2p
• go play Wow
• go to corp X
• frigates are only good for tackling in a fleet

well if the last is true why bother having frigates at all in the game if they can't do anything by themselves.

Meanwhile, have you seen this?

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/about-the-game

It'll be PvE.

Won't have to worry about low self-esteem basement boys polluting space.

Keep pushing and the only thing left for you to play with is some Goon bots.

~Blah blah bah~

why should I bother wasting my time on pvp when I can just go back to mining where I can actually make money and feeling like I'm doing something. In PvP I feel like nothing.

So why was this thread started?


Don't like pvp? Pay someone else to.

basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants.

Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink.

Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you.

THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS

Sounds good. At least goon bots don't fill up the forum with nega-logic spergstorms

So why was this thread started?


Don't like pvp? Pay someone else to.

basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants.

Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink.

Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you.

THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS

I've found in this forum that it is so very "As it is Stable" that these types of posts are just a lost battle.

I totally agree with you though and think there needs to be a PVP intro Arena, but that got shot down by the same group that will kill yours.... "They say" and I don't even need to read the posts.... the same thing over and over. -- because they are already seasoned and think of new players as food...

1) Join RVB
2) Start small with T1 frigate
3) Find another game to play
4) Get balls and get out and die...
5) Start your own group and do it your way.....blah ... blah..... blah.

Same old , same old...

You've just learned that there is an established group that trolls in the forums to keep things as they are.... sort of like a Troll Mafia.


But, if you leave, can I have your stuff... (stole that one from a Mafia troll).

pvp for new players you have to sacrifice a few things

you won't kill anyone solo

but you can join a fleet and leech off of them, you won't ever get any loot

and the whole scenario is about as fun, as mining.

Rubbish. See my earlier post.


Sorry, this is just absolute nonsense.


I understand now. You've never actually done it, have you?

yeah I've never done it, I just make wild accusations to point out how lame I am.

Those who said frigs are only good for tackling in a fleet (don't actually recall anyone using those exact words though) have never been involved with faction warfare. Out here, we have to ship down to T1 frigs more often than anything else. It's all that can fit in novice plexes, and when someone sees a Thrasher rolling around system, where do you think they run to? I'm almost a year old, and I spend more time in a Breacher now than anything else. Best part? It's a lot more fun than lumbering around in a slow ass battleship. :)

Bottomline is: you don't play with expensive ships to have a daily pewpewpew. It costs too much.

Don't know about you guys, but isn't the reason why players skill up IS to fly the bigger and better ships? Running around novice plexes in T1 frigates, is like in WoW level 90s putting on level 10 gear and fighting. They'll still win due to level bonuses, just like in EvE with skill bonuses.

THIS....

Don't know about you guys, but isn't the reason why players skill up IS to fly the bigger and better ships? Running around novice plexes in T1 frigates, is like in WoW level 90s putting on level 10 gear and fighting. They'll still win due to level bonuses, just like in EvE with skill bonuses.

No, not THIS...

Skill points are important but they are not the end of the story. Equally important is knowing your ship's strengths and weaknesses. This defines your engagement decisions.

So a 100m SP veteran in a Rifter could easily be killed by a 5m SP player in a Condor (curse him, I hate Condors). Those same players in identical ships will, of course, be a different outcome. But you can choose who to fight.

Then by all means buy a pvp focused character with perfect t1 frigate skills and see how well you'll do. It won't cost much since to get those skills you'll need 5-6 months training (tops). And for nearly perfect skills you'll need only a couple months. So go ahead try it. You can then come back complaining about how unfair is that "wasting" time training skills doesn't give you enough advantage over new pilots.

basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants.

Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink.

Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you.

THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS

Over time you'll learn to recognize which are threats and which are safer and after you've learned this, then try the soloing stuff but always remember those roots of sticking with others and when to run...

Let's see if you can understand this...

Do you know what a piranha is?
It is one of the most famous predator fish on the planet due to how they operate. In large groups, they can strip even a rhino to the bone in a matter of seconds.

A single fish isn't a major threat to anything but a school of them? ...

Yet...

Schooling of fish is a protective measure - a way to confuse and distract hungry nasties from eating them.

So if this famous predatory fish forms up in schools, running in huge groups at times; did you ever wonder what the hell keeps them using this as a core defensive tactic? Something still hunts and eats them.

Until you get big enough and know enough, I'd suggest you hang with others in a big pack. That "schooling" type approach to how you should run. It's safer and like those little fish with sharp teeth, you'll do well enough against even the largest types of opponents.

Over time you'll learn to recognize which are threats and which are safer and after you've learned this, then try the soloing stuff but always remember those roots of sticking with others and when to run...

But you also can learn that from YouTube, in the safety of your station and not having to spend ISK on lost gear, and save it for skill books, too.

Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship.

No, you can't. You really can't. The next best thing to losing isk is the test server but it's still not the real thing.

Theoretical knowledge is all good and fine but you still need A TON of practical experience. The same goes for both bf3 and wow.