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Prince Kobol 818	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:18:00 - [151] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants. Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink. Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you. THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS Isn't it horrible when somebody blows up your space pixels...
Paul Otichoda Perkone Caldari State 8	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:27:00 - [152] - Quote Bruce Kemp wrote: Paul Otichoda wrote: basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants. Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink. Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you. THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS Tracking disrupters and other e-war kid, use them. They can mess up a 10 year players guns,lock range,targeting, Kite, deeps, disrupt,jam,damp, take your pick. I can't do that because if I load up on e-war I don't have enough weapons to take down the enemy. I would try to find a corp but the recruitment system in this game is so difficult to use. Especially on the forum, why couldn't they have slip advertisment from requests.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 341	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:30:00 - [153] - Quote Quote: I can't do that because if I load up on e-war I don't have enough weapons to take down the enemy. >.< E-war goes in the mid slots. Guns go in the high slots. There aren't enough facepalm jpgs in the world for this, so I can only assume we are being trolled. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Paul Otichoda Perkone Caldari State 8	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:34:00 - [154] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Quote: I can't do that because if I load up on e-war I don't have enough weapons to take down the enemy. >.< E-war goes in the mid slots. Guns go in the high slots. There aren't enough facepalm jpgs in the world for this, so I can only assume we are being trolled. yes but my power and CPU max out and I can't use shield extenders/afterburners/weapons/e-war systems at the same time
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 330	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:35:00 - [155] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: I can't do that because if I load up on e-war I don't have enough weapons to take down the enemy. You wouldn't need too. You either saved your hide (as now he can't hit you either); or you delayed him long enough for backup to arrive. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Bruce Kemp Autarky The Autonomy 48	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:37:00 - [156] - Quote Sarton Wells wrote: I'm not sure you understood my point. In eve (unlike most mmorpgs) what matters most is player skills and social contacts. And by the time you gain those you'll have your character skills at the needed level for what you want to do. Just to put in context with wow (since you seem to love to compare eve with theme park mmos) - in WoW a lvl 90 character can defeat an unlimited amount of lvl 10 players. You can send 1000 lvl 10 players and they'll die instantly. In eve 2-3 less than a month old players can cause an unlimited amount of damage to a 10 years old character. It all depends on how you play them. Thank god i have never played WOW
Paul Otichoda Perkone Caldari State 8	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:41:00 - [157] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Paul Otichoda wrote: I can't do that because if I load up on e-war I don't have enough weapons to take down the enemy. You wouldn't need too. You either saved your hide (as now he can't hit you either); or you delayed him long enough for backup to arrive. one problem, I don't have any back up I would try to find a corp but the tools avaliable aren't that helpful
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 341	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:41:00 - [158] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Quote: I can't do that because if I load up on e-war I don't have enough weapons to take down the enemy. >.< E-war goes in the mid slots. Guns go in the high slots. There aren't enough facepalm jpgs in the world for this, so I can only assume we are being trolled. yes but my power and CPU max out and I can't use shield extenders/afterburners/weapons/e-war systems at the same time Dude. Get someone to teach you about fitting. Ewar replaces shield mods. They work on a different principle. E-war is more useful than shields when facing a single target, or when fighting in groups (because most ewar besides target painting multipies in usefulness with the number of people using it). Shield extenders, in fact most defensive mods, are more useful than ewar if you are taking damage from more than one source. But, Frigates don't have much defense anyway, no matter how much you tank them. This gave rise to wolfpack style tactics in which frigates use ewar in groups to debuff opponents. And you should always fit a prop mod. No one is saying to use every single mod on e-war. And if your powergrid and cpu max out, you need to improve your fitting skills, and downgrade your guns. If you were using 200mm autocannons, downgrade to 150s, or 125s. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 341	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:42:00 - [159] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: Ace Uoweme wrote: Paul Otichoda wrote: I can't do that because if I load up on e-war I don't have enough weapons to take down the enemy. You wouldn't need too. You either saved your hide (as now he can't hit you either); or you delayed him long enough for backup to arrive. one problem, I don't have any back up I would try to find a corp but the tools avaliable aren't that helpful How are the tools not helpful? You can look up every single corp in the game from the game client. There is also a forum on this site for it. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=265 Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 330	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:47:00 - [160] - Quote Bruce Kemp wrote: Sarton Wells wrote: I'm not sure you understood my point. In eve (unlike most mmorpgs) what matters most is player skills and social contacts. And by the time you gain those you'll have your character skills at the needed level for what you want to do. Just to put in context with wow (since you seem to love to compare eve with theme park mmos) - in WoW a lvl 90 character can defeat an unlimited amount of lvl 10 players. You can send 1000 lvl 10 players and they'll die instantly. In eve 2-3 less than a month old players can cause an unlimited amount of damage to a 10 years old character. It all depends on how you play them. Thank god i have never played WOW It's not that crazy, but like EvE is skill based, WoW is gear based. And you see me here now because heroic raiders can out pewpewpew PvPers in their PvP gear. Worked all that time for CP gear, only to have one patch to give PvE geared players not only a whopping 65% resilience, even more power than your specific gear can provide. -_- That's like in EvE T2 ships are nerfed so T1 shipped players can blow them up...1v1. All that skill time went to waste. All so PvPers can get some more "victims". Yeah, at PvPers expense. Not a happy time in PvP in WoW now. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell

Leper ofBacon HELP GRANDMA SMASH HER LEGS IN 31	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:47:00 - [161] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Quote: I can't do that because if I load up on e-war I don't have enough weapons to take down the enemy. >.< E-war goes in the mid slots. Guns go in the high slots. There aren't enough facepalm jpgs in the world for this, so I can only assume we are being trolled. yes but my power and CPU max out and I can't use shield extenders/afterburners/weapons/e-war systems at the same time www.battleclinic.com Just go look at some loadouts, it's all possible if you're actually willing to learn. Also, look at all the other posters in this thread who are all in corps. You just have to make a very brief social connection and then bang you're in a corp within like 5 more clicks.
Paul Otichoda Perkone Caldari State 8	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:47:00 - [162] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Paul Otichoda wrote: Ace Uoweme wrote: Paul Otichoda wrote: I can't do that because if I load up on e-war I don't have enough weapons to take down the enemy. You wouldn't need too. You either saved your hide (as now he can't hit you either); or you delayed him long enough for backup to arrive. one problem, I don't have any back up I would try to find a corp but the tools avaliable aren't that helpful How are the tools not helpful? You can look up every single corp in the game from the game client. There is also a forum on this site for it. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=265 I did make a thread on that forum: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=253992&find=unread it sank without a reply also my main annoyance with the ingame corporation finder is that it lacks a location limit so you get results from people on the other side of the map.
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 341	Posted - 2013.06.30 07:53:00 - [163] - Quote People aren't going to do everything for you. Yeah, it might tell you a corp halfway across the map. So? Done that plenty of times myself. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly 739	Posted - 2013.06.30 08:07:00 - [164] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants. Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink. Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you. THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS You made yourself a friend here....I will probably ask my locator agent some questions... "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 331	Posted - 2013.06.30 08:14:00 - [165] - Quote Eugene Kerner wrote: You made yourself a friend here....I will probably ask my locator agent some questions... From your looks, I take it the agent is male and likes the rough trade................... "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly 739	Posted - 2013.06.30 08:18:00 - [166] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Eugene Kerner wrote: You made yourself a friend here....I will probably ask my locator agent some questions... From your looks, I take it the agent is male and likes the rough trade................... he does, he does "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 10452	Posted - 2013.06.30 09:39:00 - [167] - Quote Robert Saint wrote: Malcanis wrote: Ace Uoweme wrote: Eternal Corrosion wrote: Go back to mine so we, the bad people, can kill you in your mining ship and harvest your tears with our t2 guns while we use our faction ammo. Also, go to manufacturing so i can buy a ship to kill you. Bad lowsec piwate o7 Meanwhile, have you seen this? https://robertsspaceindustries.com/about-the-game It'll be PvE. Won't have to worry about low self-esteem basement boys polluting space. Keep pushing and the only thing left for you to play with is some Goon bots. Sounds good. At least goon bots don't fill up the forum with nega-logic spergstorms Dude, your call sign says CSM does it not... aren't you here for the little people - - - all the little people, not just your Mafia? you should keep your own negative comment in control . . . . I was elected CSM precisely to defend against the kind of entirely unoriginal, fact-free, ass-backwards foolishness that people like Ace spout. There's nothing in the CSM White Paper that says I'm not allowed to enjoy doing so. 1 Kings 12:11
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3082	Posted - 2013.06.30 10:30:00 - [168] - Quote Nega-logic spergstorms. I did vote for the right candidate. Muhahaha!
Doc Spectre Caldari Provisions Caldari State 7	Posted - 2013.06.30 10:50:00 - [169] - Quote After 4 years I'm still terrible at PVP. Plus I haven't done enough to consider my self experienced. But I still manage to have huge fun...Stick around, you won't regret it...
Paul Otichoda Perkone Caldari State 8	Posted - 2013.06.30 11:07:00 - [170] - Quote Doc Spectre wrote: After 4 years I'm still terrible at PVP. Plus I haven't done enough to consider my self experienced. But I still manage to have huge fun...Stick around, you won't regret it... but I'm just not sure if I will stay around The pvp is beginning to put me off the game. The basic design is fun but I'm really lacking any thing to do. I'm not in a corp because I can't find one that looks good so I don't really have any support. I'm just training up my skills randomly trying to do everything and yet nothing really seems to be really changing things up. I'm still a tech 1 but I'm not sure if tech 2 will really change things and since pvp ships die very quickly I don't want to waste money on this I don't know how to use. All I do is mine and then go and get blown up by someone so much better than me.

Delta Jax Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 43	Posted - 2013.06.30 11:12:00 - [171] - Quote Hi, Just wanted to stop by and say that in EvE, knowing how to play the game, not just knowing but understanding, is far more powerful than just the meta level of your guns or the size of your ship. Take it from me, I've killed frigates, cruiser, and even a battleship with an iteron Mk5. Twitter : -á@DeltaJax
Delta Jax Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 44	Posted - 2013.06.30 11:16:00 - [172] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: Doc Spectre wrote: After 4 years I'm still terrible at PVP. Plus I haven't done enough to consider my self experienced. But I still manage to have huge fun...Stick around, you won't regret it... but I'm just not sure if I will stay around The pvp is beginning to put me off the game. The basic design is fun but I'm really lacking any thing to do. I'm not in a corp because I can't find one that looks good so I don't really have any support. I'm just training up my skills randomly trying to do everything and yet nothing really seems to be really changing things up. I'm still a tech 1 but I'm not sure if tech 2 will really change things and since pvp ships die very quickly I don't want to waste money on this I don't know how to use. All I do is mine and then go and get blown up by someone so much better than me. Well HTFU and find a corp, the only reason you're sucking is your refusal to learn how to play the game and get help. Twitter : -á@DeltaJax
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3751	Posted - 2013.06.30 11:21:00 - [173] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: I'm not in a corp Paul Otichoda wrote: I don't really have any support. Paul Otichoda wrote: I'm just training up my skills randomly trying to do everything Paul Otichoda wrote: All I do is mine and then go and get blown up by someone so much better than me. EVE Online: Harsh and cold, or Darwinian mechanism design in an MMO setting? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over. TEST Defence, Please Ignore
Minmatar Citizen160812 The LGBT Last Supper 326	Posted - 2013.06.30 13:24:00 - [174] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: Doc Spectre wrote: After 4 years I'm still terrible at PVP. Plus I haven't done enough to consider my self experienced. But I still manage to have huge fun...Stick around, you won't regret it... but I'm just not sure if I will stay around The pvp is beginning to put me off the game. Will probadly go back to missioning with a diferent destroyer or something. You're going back to something alright...
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 10461	Posted - 2013.06.30 13:30:00 - [175] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: Doc Spectre wrote: After 4 years I'm still terrible at PVP. Plus I haven't done enough to consider my self experienced. But I still manage to have huge fun...Stick around, you won't regret it... but I'm just not sure if I will stay around The pvp is beginning to put me off the game. The basic design is fun but I'm really lacking any thing to do. I'm not in a corp because I can't find one that looks good so I don't really have any support.I'm just training up my skills randomly trying to do everything and yet nothing really seems to be really changing things up. I'm still a tech 1 but I'm not sure if tech 2 will really change things and since pvp ships die very quickly I don't want to waste money on this I don't know how to use. All I do is mine and then go and get blown up by someone so much better than me. Will probadly go back to missioning with a diferent destroyer or something. Have you considered trying to do anything differently, or are you just going to give up? 1 Kings 12:11
Paul Otichoda Perkone Caldari State 8	Posted - 2013.06.30 13:34:00 - [176] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Paul Otichoda wrote: Doc Spectre wrote: After 4 years I'm still terrible at PVP. Plus I haven't done enough to consider my self experienced. But I still manage to have huge fun...Stick around, you won't regret it... but I'm just not sure if I will stay around The pvp is beginning to put me off the game. The basic design is fun but I'm really lacking any thing to do. I'm not in a corp because I can't find one that looks good so I don't really have any support.I'm just training up my skills randomly trying to do everything and yet nothing really seems to be really changing things up. I'm still a tech 1 but I'm not sure if tech 2 will really change things and since pvp ships die very quickly I don't want to waste money on this I don't know how to use. All I do is mine and then go and get blown up by someone so much better than me. Will probadly go back to missioning with a diferent destroyer or something. Have you considered trying to do anything differently, or are you just going to give up? I'll try to do something else, perhaps exploration
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 10461	Posted - 2013.06.30 14:14:00 - [177] - Quote Good man.There's always a way and people who don't give up at the first setback are the ones who thrive in this game. 1 Kings 12:11
Short Stack122 Noblesse Oblige. Cult of War 3	Posted - 2013.06.30 14:41:00 - [178] - Quote Paul Otichoda wrote: Doc Spectre wrote: After 4 years I'm still terrible at PVP. Plus I haven't done enough to consider my self experienced. But I still manage to have huge fun...Stick around, you won't regret it... but I'm just not sure if I will stay around The pvp is beginning to put me off the game. The basic design is fun but I'm really lacking any thing to do. I'm not in a corp because I can't find one that looks good so I don't really have any support. I'm just training up my skills randomly trying to do everything and yet nothing really seems to be really changing things up. I'm still a tech 1 but I'm not sure if tech 2 will really change things and since pvp ships die very quickly I don't want to waste money on this I don't know how to use. All I do is mine and then go and get blown up by someone so much better than me. Will probadly go back to missioning with a diferent destroyer or something. alright, 9 pages and you are still stuck with your head in the sand. The reason you're not having fun? YOU! you are standing in your own way. These corps you keep finding halfway across the galaxy, JOIN ONE! these skills you're "training at random", train with some thought! you are probably the most stubborn headed, "ive got the be the biggest gun or else i wont do anything", self centered player i have ever read. honestly. if you are not having a good time and 9 pages of players are telling you that it probably has to do with XYZ and you keep telling them that you refuse to do XYZ, then there is NO help for you. either take some of the advice or go back to virtually "lifting things up and putting them down"
Delt0r Garsk Tartarus Legion Domination.. 0	Posted - 2013.06.30 14:56:00 - [179] - Quote Well i am pretty new to the game. I have been playing for 5 months. My wife has been playing for 2 months. So i feel a little qualified as a new player. My wife 2x so. First of all i didn't really want to use all the skill tools on the internet, so i just skilled up what looked like fun. I am 6M now but this is a very un optimal 6M sp. My wife is about 1.5M since she has never bothered with implants at all. Sure we mission together and stuff. Kill rats etc. But i have the most fun PvP. We run sites in low and null sometimes and can take cheap ships. (Rifters are AWESOME!) We went out on our first roam the other day with the corp i am in. Its in the wrong time zone so its not perfect, but these guys are great with newbs, even flying back several gates in null to get my wife when she got lost. She found it very .... nerve racking. I loved it. We got a 2 good kills worth more than 2x the fleet before getting bubbled. And half the fleet got away. I suck at it. But will get better. When i solo or its just me and my brother, or my wife. We just go for it. So when you have a 1.5M isk rifter. You get any kill your going to be a 90% pilot for a long time! (its called my c fit for cheap. I don't always use t2 guns even! still can rat kill). We got jumped (yes i know watch the dscan) when we were running a site by a daredevil. I didn't know anything about them, but i had my first Jaguar assault frig and my wife with a rifter in both PvP fits. I guess he would have expected PvE fits. Well we are new so he did get us both since i didn't know about the web bonus he gets and the PvE towers did 50% of the damage. But he was in hull when we died, which probably caused him/her to have a "oh crap" moment. Recon a little more frosty on the dscan and we could have had a great kill. I don't want first time players to be the same as the vets. Its not fair and then there is no reason to ever be a vet. Right now there is a good balance of playability for new players with so many things to build up for while being rewarding for vets as well. For max fun. Find a good corp or just group of people. Despite the reputation of eve being a really unfriendly galaxy, its mostly untrue. Outside of scamers most people are helpful and at least honest about if there corp is newb friendly. Even with a few weeks of skills you can be useful in a fleet. And still do some lowsec and even null sec if you look at the star map properly. The corridors have the camps. I hate to think how hard eve was when it first came out without all the internet sites and things to help you. Respect the Vets. Even after they podded you and +70M of implants. (yes it happened to me, because of lag!). Also i don't understand why so many complain about cash flow. A poorly skilled BC pilot can do lvl 3 missions pretty easy for the most part. I get between 5M-10M in loot and bounties per mission for the good ones. Average around 3M. I can do a few an hour. A bit of highsec PI on the side (about 4M a day before oxygen prices went down ) and i have cash to burn. The plex from getting my wife to sign up didn't hurt either.
Retrillion Iron Mongers Yulai Federation 2	Posted - 2013.06.30 14:58:00 - [180] - Quote ok so you start a game, as a noob then you think that you should be as good as someone who has been playing the game for like 5-7 years HTFU and just play the game stop crying on the forum cause you cant kill a bc in your t1 frig... just enjoy the game and fly with a corp or a group of friends it makes stuff more fun solo pvp is hard if you can even find it so dont complain cause itll just kill the game for yourself we were all there once... Ret



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