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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.12.01 00:23:00 -
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Sounds good to me! If you're willing to take the sec hit, it sounds like hilarious fun :D
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2005.12.01 00:25:00 -
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Sadly, I'm not. I'm still at -1.7 since summer (an improvement from -1.9), and going down to around -6 is a sacrifice too far.
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Mr Floppyknickers
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Posted - 2005.12.01 00:42:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Floppyknickers on 01/12/2005 00:44:33
Out of curiousity I took a look on ebay for eve-related items. Specifically I was looking for out of game things, posters or models and the like in case someone was selling something nifty from FF. What astonished me was the massive amount of isk sales listed. Additionally, people were selling everything from faction loot to HAC's, one auction even boasted about selling a "macro guide" so you to can macro.
When is CCP going to stat banning accounts that engage in these activities? That's not to say CCP can even decide as a company how it wishes to percieve this problem. The company's policies seem to make the practice ok as CCP's own actions and statments seem to encourage this behavior. One has to wonder how long it will be before there is a section of the website where you can buy in game items for RL cash that is run by CCP.
CCP has already stated the serenity server will allow this as it is part of the gaming culture of the region, so we can only hope macro isk farmers will move to that server since it's more acceptable there. Thankfully, the efforts of some members of the EVE TQ community will help make that choice very easy.
Unfortunately, even if all the macroer's fade to the serenity server, the isk selling and item selling problems will still exist because it would be foolish to believe for a moment that only macroer's are responsible. Other players have to be selling isk as well, and items, and until CCP takes a firm stand one way or the other the EVE community is the going to continue to war with itself.
CCP need to take a firm and clear stand in regards to this issue one way or the other so the TQ community can know the appropriate behavior to take. Otherwise you will continue to have people fighting a battle against something that may or may not be against the rules and all that means is more work for GM's when there should be a simple an clear cut "yay" or "nay" on the issue.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.01 00:42:00 -
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well the find them petition them and steal their jet can ore also works wonders - it lowers their output and as long as peititoning u are quite ok to play the ore theif role that is a valid ingame element.
Barring that launch youre own jetcan pull all the ore out of theirs into youres and blow it up (youre one) that way they loose the ore and u blow the can (of course after RMR simply leave it in youre can) when they take it back blow em skyhigh
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Pandemic Thinking
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Posted - 2005.12.01 00:57:00 -
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Just kill them...
Victim: [removed]
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Pator Tech School
Destroyed Type: Retriever
Solar System: Shabura
System Security Level: 0.7
Involved parties:
Name: Pandemic Thinking
Security Status: -0.3
Alliance: Unknown
Corporation: Reservior Dogs
Ship Type: Kestrel
Weapon Type: Rocket Launcher I
A Good Deed is nothing more than a Bad Deed in need of a Drink |
Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2005.12.01 01:19:00 -
[36]
 Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Sadly, I'm not. I'm still at -1.7 since summer (an improvement from -1.9), and going down to around -6 is a sacrifice too far.
Yes that's the problem. I'd punish myself more than the macro miners. After some fun I'd be broke and couldn't enter hi-sec for some time, but the macro miner just buys a new retriever and goes on.
Anyway, congrats to the people, who didn't care and blew them off.
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'Wanna-not-be forum warrior. <3' |
Cummilla
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Posted - 2005.12.01 01:41:00 -
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There was a thread recently which put forth this idea that a group of players should form a "vigilante" squad to take out people who they thought were griefers or what not.
Most sensible people see that ANY type of scheme that pretends to establish a "player police" is doomed to failure and abuse. I agree wholeheartedly with the conclusions of the majority of the players responding to that thread and who condemned such "vigilantism."
Yet, over here at this thread, some are applauding these vigilantes.
I think vigilantes are just as much a threat to Eve as macroers.
Personally, I revolt against the idea that a "select group" of players can somehow "know what's best for Eve or for me."
I suggest these vigilantes tread VERY carefully. I hear iskies can be used to hire merc corps as well as be sold on teh ebil ebay.
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Pandemic Thinking
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Posted - 2005.12.01 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Cummilla
There was a thread recently which put forth this idea that a group of players should form a "vigilante" squad to take out people who they thought were griefers or what not.
Most sensible people see that ANY type of scheme that pretends to establish a "player police" is doomed to failure and abuse. I agree wholeheartedly with the conclusions of the majority of the players responding to that thread and who condemned such "vigilantism."
Yet, over here at this thread, some are applauding these vigilantes.
I think vigilantes are just as much a threat to Eve as macroers.
Personally, I revolt against the idea that a "select group" of players can somehow "know what's best for Eve or for me."
I suggest these vigilantes tread VERY carefully. I hear iskies can be used to hire merc corps as well as be sold on teh ebil ebay.
It's a guy thing I guess. You've got to come see Tombstone Arizona someday
A Good Deed is nothing more than a Bad Deed in need of a Drink |
Tweedle Dum
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Posted - 2005.12.01 03:34:00 -
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*Cough* Empire Quality Control *Cough* Corp
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Sreyaluskaya Moyl
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Posted - 2005.12.01 03:57:00 -
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Sterling work, well done.
If there was a way I could pay to watch a big smartbombing crew go up against the macroers, I would.
So Netas, I'll pay you a couple of million for ringside seats at the next display, if it's near me when I'm playing. (very likely).
Publicise the next slaughter, then when you've got a crowd gathered to watch you, provide the entertainment. Then pass around the hat.
I can tell you, if I saw a decent macro-slaying I'd gladly cough up a couple of million towards your costs on the spot.
And I'm just one player. Get lots of people to watch and you won't lose any ISK at all! You could even have a nice little earner on your hands! Super Sunday.... exclusive rights....$$$...Destruction derby tonite!!!!
So - time and place for the next hit, I'll pay you a couple of mill to watch the carnage. Anyone else interested?
LIVE macroer destruction! Who wouldn't pay to watch that!
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Martin Gore
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Posted - 2005.12.01 08:29:00 -
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There are a lot more people that play game that are not macro miners than there are macro miners....so a small loss by a load of macro hunters is a big loss to macro miners.
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bustergonads
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Posted - 2005.12.01 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Urlen had 5 Omens and a Maller macro mining last night, with an obscenely-named can. Names were agree1 - agree8. Characters only 22 days old, so only base resistances. No decent loot to sell though, so you'd be making a loss.
ive petitioned the controller of these after getting an abusive eve-mail from him he also controls chars called sefey1-safey8 and wesder1-wesder8 and another group with random names he's usuallaround kisogo-maurasi-itamo area when below 0.8 he uses a keesie to keep the rats off,
when you start nicking his ore he usually starts putting abusive names on his cans refering to your mother i believe someone has sent a screeny into ccp doubt any action will be taken tho 
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KHEN
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Posted - 2005.12.01 11:08:00 -
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Natas Liah, you deserve the respect from all the community.
Players like you should be able to work with Concord against macrominers.
Would it be possible to set missions issued by Concord against macro miners when a petition is filled or when something like a serverside surveillance bot points macromining ?
I guess not but it would have been soooo fun !
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Lacedaemon
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Posted - 2005.12.01 11:47:00 -
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Well done Natas.
Here's a thought for CCP and GM's, if a macrominer has been petitioned after say 10 times, and the GM's deem this to be the case, then flag that macrominer as attackable without Concord retribution, like say an NPC rat.
This idea does have some merit and would allow us to do what Natas has done without reprisals.
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Jaik Jermaine
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Posted - 2005.12.01 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Floppyknickers
Edited by: Mr Floppyknickers on 01/12/2005 00:44:33
CCP has already stated the serenity server will allow this as it is part of the gaming culture of the region, so we can only hope macro isk farmers will move to that server since it's more acceptable there. Thankfully, the efforts of some members of the EVE TQ community will help make that choice very easy.
serenity wont make a lick of difference, farmers are willing to work for less then a dollar an hour just to feed their families. now if people are willing to work for les then a dollar an hour, are these same people going to be able to afford to buy isk?
i dont think so, no matter what, this is the server where all the money is too be made. you dont goto the poorest part of your town and try to sell expensive luxury items do you?
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Natas Liah
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Posted - 2005.12.01 11:51:00 -
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If the gms deem them as macroers they should be banned.
The problem in this case is the farmers make it hard for the gms to catch them, thats why players should be enforce the law using guns (or preferably smartbombs)
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Biltic Creen
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Posted - 2005.12.01 11:57:00 -
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If you want to bomb some more, check out Lustrevik.
There are loads of macroers in the icebelt there.
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Gray Carmicheal
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Posted - 2005.12.01 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Firestarterr
Edited by: Firestarterr on 30/11/2005 22:57:18
Ok so you got several hundred mill BS's concordokken'd just to kill a few suspected macrominers - who will prolly replace thier barge tommorow.
and did you ever considered the fact you may have popped a few innocent noobs and genunine trial players in the process?
Not so clever huh?
Trials can't train mining barges in the time it takes to complete the trial.
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Jared VonBargen
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Posted - 2005.12.01 12:16:00 -
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hey, if you want more, message me. i have a list in my notepad ingame of 36 miners all working in the same system in groups of 6, from 2-4 groups online per day....
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Corb
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Posted - 2005.12.01 12:24:00 -
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Grats on the kills really.
Now we have 4000 more to deal with.
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Ankanos
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Posted - 2005.12.01 12:31:00 -
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gratz -job well done.
check out Erenta.
convo/mail me ingame for names
-ank
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PORTER BRISBONE
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Posted - 2005.12.01 12:41:00 -
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I suspect 4000-5000 paying subs are macrominers.
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2005.12.01 12:47:00 -
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Good job on the Macrominer attacks...did any survive? And if they turned out not to be macrominers...I got one word for you "OOOPS"
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FatSlug
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Posted - 2005.12.01 12:57:00 -
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It sounds to me like CCP should do a "...your mission should you choose to accept it is..." and select players (those with proven PVP skills) to become, briefly, mercenaries within the game. Give them whatever equipment is needed, a list of known macro-ers and their position, and turn off Concord attacks when they engage these known macro-ers.
If successful, give them an ISK reward and, if the mercs activities are discovered, CCP just simply denies all knowledge  !
That way, CCP controls the hit list (to avoid genuine account casualties), and some people can have fun to boot!
"Miners are just shafting the universe..." |
Kazhoth
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Posted - 2005.12.01 13:00:00 -
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Nice Work
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Sykosys
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Posted - 2005.12.01 13:51:00 -
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I too have seen this type of behaiviour,
But some of it isn't macroers, they seem like 1 guy running 10-15 accounts.
I was doing the bump to one of these haulers in Illuin. I bumped 14 seperate ships in diffrent belts and the same unable to speak proper english (Who claims hes chinese) always asked why and to stop, even called me a PK.
These guys bring nothing to eve. And with the increase in ebay isk for sale (Have you actually gone on ebay and typed isk in the search, goodness)and prices for low end ore have gone down and these guys are the reason. They keep lowering their sell prices and thus others to compete need to sell lower and thus is the decline in isk prices for minerals.
Keep harrasing these guys. Steal all their ore. Make high sec mining for these groups of obvious farmers hell.
After all Bumping and stealing their ore is all within the game limitations. and there is nothing wrong with it other than moralityt issues. And well that only can carry so far
These guys need to LEAVE eve. Of course is only my opinion.
SYKOSYS
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"She'll fly apart sir,"
"FLY HER APART THEN!!!" |
Pandemic Thinking
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Posted - 2005.12.01 13:58:00 -
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Just kill them...
A Good Deed is nothing more than a Bad Deed in need of a Drink |
Larshus Magrus
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Posted - 2005.12.01 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Firestarterr
Edited by: Firestarterr on 30/11/2005 22:57:18
Ok so you got several hundred mill BS's concordokken'd just to kill a few suspected macrominers - who will prolly replace thier barge tommorow.
and did you ever considered the fact you may have popped a few innocent noobs and genunine trial players in the process?
Not so clever huh?
You sir, are a fool.
Look at the names. Re-read his post. These people have consistantly been stripmining all day long is above said systems with no replys from directs.
Bravo on blowing them sky high.
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Corb
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Posted - 2005.12.01 15:01:00 -
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TAKE A STAND PILOTS
Starting tonight I will outfit my Raven with SB's, and find me a nice group of IceMiners. Since I'm a secondary account it won't be much of a loss. When my status gets to bad I will just create another account with the same purpose in mind. We can no longer wait for CCP to do anything about this.
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Natas Liah
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Posted - 2005.12.01 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Corb
TAKE A STAND PILOTS
Starting tonight I will outfit my Raven with SB's, and find me a nice group of IceMiners. Since I'm a secondary account it won't be much of a loss. When my status gets to bad I will just create another account with the same purpose in mind. We can no longer wait for CCP to do anything about this.
once you hit low sec status you can always get a diffrent char to come in with the battleship, eject next to the macrominers, jump in it with your low sec status bomber and set of the smartbombs.
best to use a 60 mill bs to as its less isk wasted.
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