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Battle On Jitex Inc. 0	Posted - 2011.10.24 16:55:00 - [1] - Quote Since a few day, Goonswarm Federation has been really active in Hentogaira. they are podding every ice miner there is and they now they reached their ultimate goal: http://goonfleet.net/miners/. it seems to me they are now officially a maffia gank that rips people off for money. 250mill for 1 character just to mine ice. this is just perfect. many miners like myself are just casual gamers that afk-mine when doing some work. we dont make 250mill just to be able to mine. if we wanna make 250mill we should chance to hardcore mode and mine ALOT before reaching the 250mill. also, its just too easy to gank a miner. i just saw a mackinaw get shot by a Brutix. this mean that a 15-30mill worth ship just ganked a 150mill worth ship, thats just outrages. i think ccp should do something about this since its just crazy that you can so easily pop a miner. concord pops up just too late to stop the ganker from killing the miner, which just sucks. the reaction time of concord is about 3-5 seconds, more then enough time to kill a miner in a brutix. yes, the ganker gets shot, but for a nullsec thug is 15-30mill nothing. they do 1 anomoly and get raped. also their concord standing is -5.0 so they can enter highsec. there are people that killed 10+ miners in highsec and still continue raping them since they can enter highsec at all time. why? why dont they get killed when trying to go to highsec? i think this whole "raping the miners" thing is getting all out of control, highsec used to be a safe heaven for casual gamers where we could just do whatever we like without worrying about nullsec/lowsec thugs that ruin people's eve experience. why cant these people go back to nullsec to change things there instead of raping us? dont they have better things to do then kill the eve economy? so whats your opinion about this? what advice do you have for all those miners out there?
Karadion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 145	Posted - 2011.10.24 16:56:00 - [2] - Quote If you think we've reached our ultimate goal, you're sadly mistaken.
Jenshae Chiroptera 45	Posted - 2011.10.24 16:58:00 - [3] - Quote They love your tears but don't worry; they make a few splashes but in the long term we just go back to mining as usual. CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2011.10.24 16:59:00 - [4] - Quote Karadion wrote: If you think we've reached our ultimate goal, you're sadly mistaken. truth to be told, what Goonswarm trying to do is to show that icefiields in high sec are there to stay, since its hard work , unlike the carebearish nullsec miners Same goes for ABC in wormholes etc. They actually provide ammunition against nay sayers for high sec ice miners and wormhole dwellers
Karadion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 145	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:00:00 - [5] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: They love your tears but don't worry; they make a few splashes but in the long term we just go back to mining as usual. We've been blowing up miners left and right for almost 4 weeks now. We intend to keep our bounty program up indefinitely.
Unexpected GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:00:00 - [6] - Quote We are NOT podding every miner! Some of them get away... And I'm not quite sure why you're so upset - I don't think you've lost a single ship yet. Though if I were you, I'd probably put some guns on your POS at planet 1, moon 3 You never know when you get war-decced...
Major Spag GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 66	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:00:00 - [7] - Quote Can't seem to find the page on the Eve Online mainsite that says that High Sec is supposed to be 100% safe for casual gamers to do what they want. I'll keep trying but I just don't think it is there. :V:
Delegado Cero GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:01:00 - [8] - Quote If you feel that Mackinaws are too easy to blow up, you should probably invest in a Hulk. They're much tougher. They're also cheaper than our protection services, as long as you never get blown up.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:03:00 - [9] - Quote Unexpected wrote: We are NOT podding every miner! Some of them get away... And I'm not quite sure why you're so upset - I don't think you lost a single ship yet. Though if I were you, I'd probably put some guns on your POS at planet 1, moon 3... passive aggressive ? Or is it an threat ? Truth to be told if he got POS he is in corporation and if he is in single man or small corporation what good it will be against 5k people worth alliance ? Unless every single gun can shoot AoE DD Even than it will get down.
TuonelanOrja Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:03:00 - [10] - Quote Battle On wrote: why? Because they can. If you get ganked, you are either bot or mentally disabled.. what you think next will happen now
Koby Botick Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation 9	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:03:00 - [11] - Quote Battle On wrote: also, its just too easy to gank a miner. i just saw a mackinaw get shot by a Brutix. this mean that a 15-30mill worth ship just ganked a 150mill worth ship, thats just outrages. i think ccp should do something about this since its just crazy that you can so easily pop a miner. concord pops up just too late to stop the ganker from killing the miner, which just sucks. I too think that ships should be exactly as difficult to destroy as how much ISK they cost. Quote: so whats your opinion about this? what advice do you have for all those miners out there? There's an amnesty program you can participate, or you can continue to risk your ship(s). You have free choice, you see.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:07:00 - [12] - Quote TuonelanOrja wrote: Battle On wrote: why? Because they can. If you get ganked, you are either bot or mentally disabled.. same goes for you apart the fact you are not bot, you are just mentally disabled Truth to be told you are nothing more then toyes you play the game for someone else .. Good work Corporation whores are everywhere 90 percent of working population are indeed corporation whores .. good for you Selling your bloody wares / brain /
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 103	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:08:00 - [13] - Quote Battle On wrote: many miners like myself are just casual gamers that afk-mine when doing some work boo hoo too bad tough luck cry moar get a life do your job grow a chin shave your neckbeard inflate your girlfriend and so on.... The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Jenshae Chiroptera 45	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:10:00 - [14] - Quote Karadion wrote: We've been blowing up miners left and right for almost 4 weeks now. We intend to keep our bounty program up indefinitely. Doesn't matter, it will lose publicity, interest, momentum and die. CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you.
David Grogan The Motley Crew Reborn 108	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:10:00 - [15] - Quote Battle On wrote: Since a few day, Goonswarm Federation has been really active in Hentogaira. they are podding every ice miner there is and they now they reached their ultimate goal: http://goonfleet.net/miners/. it seems to me they are now officially a maffia gank that rips people off for money. 250mill for 1 character just to mine ice. this is just perfect. many miners like myself are just casual gamers that afk-mine when doing some work. we dont make 250mill just to be able to mine. if we wanna make 250mill we should chance to hardcore mode and mine ALOT before reaching the 250mill. also, its just too easy to gank a miner. i just saw a mackinaw get shot by a Brutix. this mean that a 15-30mill worth ship just ganked a 150mill worth ship, thats just outrages. i think ccp should do something about this since its just crazy that you can so easily pop a miner. concord pops up just too late to stop the ganker from killing the miner, which just sucks. the reaction time of concord is about 3-5 seconds, more then enough time to kill a miner in a brutix. yes, the ganker gets shot, but for a nullsec thug is 15-30mill nothing. they do 1 anomoly and get raped. also their concord standing is -5.0 so they can enter highsec. there are people that killed 10+ miners in highsec and still continue raping them since they can enter highsec at all time. why? why dont they get killed when trying to go to highsec? i think this whole "raping the miners" thing is getting all out of control, highsec used to be a safe heaven for casual gamers where we could just do whatever we like without worrying about nullsec/lowsec thugs that ruin people's eve experience. why cant these people go back to nullsec to change things there instead of raping us? dont they have better things to do then kill the eve economy? so whats your opinion about this? what advice do you have for all those miners out there? its a scam.... they would take your 250mil & laugh at you as your hulk explodes to one of their ganks. also i really don't understand why industrial ships should be weak..... they are the most picked on type of ships.... if it was real life ship designers would be designing industrials that were extremely hard to kill...... tough tanks with plenty of defensive weapons not the current weak tank that exumers have and non existant tanks mining barges have with a few paltry drones for defense. Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 741	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:10:00 - [16] - Quote Battle On wrote: Since a few day, Goonswarm Federation has been really active in Hentogaira. they are podding every ice miner there is and they now they reached their ultimate goal: http://goonfleet.net/miners/. it seems to me they are now officially a maffia gank that rips people off for money. 250mill for 1 character just to mine ice. this is just perfect. many miners like myself are just casual gamers that afk-mine when doing some work. we dont make 250mill just to be able to mine. if we wanna make 250mill we should chance to hardcore mode and mine ALOT before reaching the 250mill. also, its just too easy to gank a miner. i just saw a mackinaw get shot by a Brutix. this mean that a 15-30mill worth ship just ganked a 150mill worth ship, thats just outrages. i think ccp should do something about this since its just crazy that you can so easily pop a miner. concord pops up just too late to stop the ganker from killing the miner, which just sucks. the reaction time of concord is about 3-5 seconds, more then enough time to kill a miner in a brutix. yes, the ganker gets shot, but for a nullsec thug is 15-30mill nothing. they do 1 anomoly and get raped. also their concord standing is -5.0 so they can enter highsec. there are people that killed 10+ miners in highsec and still continue raping them since they can enter highsec at all time. why? why dont they get killed when trying to go to highsec? i think this whole "raping the miners" thing is getting all out of control, highsec used to be a safe heaven for casual gamers where we could just do whatever we like without worrying about nullsec/lowsec thugs that ruin people's eve experience. why cant these people go back to nullsec to change things there instead of raping us? dont they have better things to do then kill the eve economy? so whats your opinion about this? what advice do you have for all those miners out there? You're saying that someone moved your cheese? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
TuonelanOrja Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:11:00 - [17] - Quote Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: TuonelanOrja wrote: Battle On wrote: why? Because they can. If you get ganked, you are either bot or mentally disabled.. same goes for you apart the fact you are not bot, you are just mentally disabled Truth to be told you are nothing more then toyes you play the game for someone else .. Good work Corporation whores are everywhere 90 percent of working population are indeed corporation whores .. good for you Selling your bloody wares / brain / PS. Anyway that's just reaction to insult , not my opinion about goons members NI! what you think next will happen now
Karadion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 145	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:11:00 - [18] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Karadion wrote: We've been blowing up miners left and right for almost 4 weeks now. We intend to keep our bounty program up indefinitely. Doesn't matter, it will lose publicity, interest, momentum and die. Where's your statistics to prove this point? Right now. regular full-time ice miners are just plain scared to mine in Gallente ice fields because of the goons. I ripped off some high-sec gallente ice pubbie of his entire ice stock for half the market value because he thought he could mine in peace from the GSF. I didn't say it would protect him from other goons shooting him but it certainly protects him from me shooting him.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:13:00 - [19] - Quote Karadion wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Karadion wrote: We've been blowing up miners left and right for almost 4 weeks now. We intend to keep our bounty program up indefinitely. Doesn't matter, it will lose publicity, interest, momentum and die. Where's your statistics to prove this point? Right now. regular full-time ice miners are just plain scared to mine in Gallente ice fields because of the goons. Where's your statistics to prove this point? too lazy to write so just copy/paste
Jenshae Chiroptera 45	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:13:00 - [20] - Quote Karadion wrote: Where's your statistics to prove this point? Right now. regular full-time ice miners are just plain scared to mine in Gallente ice fields because of the goons. Hulkaggedon and the lack of long term impact. It was a bit of drama, something to still talk about but has changed nothing. CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you.
Karadion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 145	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:15:00 - [21] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Karadion wrote: Where's your statistics to prove this point? Right now. regular full-time ice miners are just plain scared to mine in Gallente ice fields because of the goons. Hulkaggedon and the lack of long term impact. It was a bit of drama, something to still talk about but has changed nothing. Hulkaggedon is held like once a year and for less than a week. We've been doing this for almost a month.
Dusenman League of Gentlemen Intrepid Crossing 0	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:16:00 - [22] - Quote The fact is that "High Sec" is not 100% safe, and there are 100's of ways to make isk that don't involve mining. I am sure you can find at least one of them that allow you to be simi-afk.
RedlegSA GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 0	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:16:00 - [23] - Quote Battle On wrote: thats just outrages. I agree that this is outrages friend.
Myfanwy Heimdal Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc 10	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:16:00 - [24] - Quote Welcome to EVE. This is the whole point of 'the sandbox'. If the OP doesn't like this move by GoonSquad then he is free s organise a counter-operation. If I were he i wouldn't like what's happening but I would do think about doing something about it.
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:17:00 - [25] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Karadion wrote: Where's your statistics to prove this point? Right now. regular full-time ice miners are just plain scared to mine in Gallente ice fields because of the goons. Hulkaggedon and the lack of long term impact. It was a bit of drama, something to still talk about but has changed nothing. I just feel like to add some more real thing to it.. Nothing will ever change, even if the life in universe disappear nothing will change. Nobody cares about anything. What is important is moments of joy nothing more, If you do whatever you "chose" to do (be it submission to system or submission to system(fight against it)) what matter you enjoy the moment. at Hulkaggedon is held like once a year and for less than a week. We've been doing this for almost a month. never heard of it apart the forums which is basically your PR with "outraged" alts OP " goon alt spotted
Mag's the united Negative Ten. 1004	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:18:00 - [26] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Battle On wrote: Whine...... You're saying that someone moved your cheese? He could have mitigated the risk with a cheese grater, but that would require training and time. Ohnoes...... CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience.
mkint 180	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:21:00 - [27] - Quote Sounds like it's time to do an unsub campaign with "goons are assholes" as the reason. CCP'll do something eventually. Also, the anti-ice campaign is another goon protecting it's RMT program. Nothing more, nothing less.
Karadion GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 145	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:22:00 - [28] - Quote mkint wrote: Sounds like it's time to do an unsub campaign with "goons are assholes" as the reason. CCP'll do something eventually. Also, the anti-ice campaign is another goon protecting it's RMT program. Nothing more, nothing less. Wishful thinking. Goons have been here since what? 2003? I don't think we're going away anytime soon. What RMT program? We live in Deklein, a non-gallente region. Didn't think your crap through, did you?
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1169	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:25:00 - [29] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Karadion wrote: Where's your statistics to prove this point? Right now. regular full-time ice miners are just plain scared to mine in Gallente ice fields because of the goons. Hulkaggedon and the lack of long term impact. It was a bit of drama, something to still talk about but has changed nothing. the fundamental flaw of hulkageddon, and its predecessor the great goonfleet jihad, is precisely that it spread itself too thin to achieve lasting change one cannot camp every asteroid belt in highsec one can, however, camp every gallente ice field
Kronos Hopeslayer Shiva Morsus Mihi 3	Posted - 2011.10.24 17:29:00 - [30] - Quote Step 1 Get a Hulk Step 2 Get an alt (2nd account/trial account) a t1 frig Step 3 Have alt attack your hulk, thus summoning Concord to your belt Step 4 ? Step 5 profit

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