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TuonelanOrja
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:21:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote:TuonelanOrja wrote:Apollo Gabriel wrote:I am curious is we'll see any improvements in the mining system? Is CCP even thinking about how to improve/change mining? Adding some human element seems a good way to help with bots in addition to making a popular aspect of the game more fun.
Best, AG Oh there will improvements. The new BC with better Large blasters on it.. A goon already beat you to this comment, how's it feel being sloppy seconds to a goon?
I feel your pain.
what you think next will happen now |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:21:00 -
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Buff mining. |
Basileus Volkan
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:23:00 -
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Adding a mini game to mining will only serve as a distraction, so miners are even easier to gank.
And I doubt it could keep people from botting either. |
Takamori Maruyama
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:26:00 -
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Basileus Volkan wrote:Adding a mini game to mining will only serve as a distraction, so miners are even easier to gank.
And I doubt it could keep people from botting either.
Actually yes, since it will move the cursor to a random direction that a bot cannot prevent.It would fumble the bottter mining. As for the ganking a + for merc corps , guard services etc. The Codex Astartes guides us....*someone poke and whisper something* Oh wrong scenario...WHERE IS MY GIANT AQUARIUM?! |
Gronn
V.E.I.
1
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:31:00 -
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I don't mine, but I don't see how a human element works in regards to the context of Eve. Even ratting or running missions is pretty much target, auto fire... rince, wash and repeat... Yes, you need to keep distance on harder rats, but if your a drone boat, you can just sit there and not even target if you don't want to direct the drones... |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
87
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:32:00 -
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Gronn wrote:I don't mine, but I don't see how a human element works in regards to the context of Eve. Even ratting or running missions is pretty much target, auto fire... rince, wash and repeat... Yes, you need to keep distance on harder rats, but if your a drone boat, you can just sit there and not even target if you don't want to direct the drones...
Gronn,
You've just identified all of the worst elements of eve. They need to be changed, it's getting embarrassing.
AG Please take a moment to review your text before submitting. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1170
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:34:00 -
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Takamori Maruyama wrote:White Tree wrote:I agree that mining needs more human interaction. The CSM has lobbed about ideas with regard to the subject but we have a hard time overcoming the idea of not making it some sort of quick-time event. But yeah, Mining needs to be looked at. Well don't wanna sound rude, how about showing actually the CSM intention regarding the mining boredom situation? Start a brainstorm thread, get opinions, get devs, programmers to check if that idea is possible to attach to the game etc etc. So far I just see hey lets try to do something with mining, a few suggestions are given then after 20 posts it dies. Sometimes a Blue post saying that they are going to look at it "soon" .But no serious engagement over the subject. Seriously I would like to have a programmer to answer the questions in the thread.
ccp literally believes the tedium of mining is a positive and something that should be in the game, a task you do semi-afk |
Takamori Maruyama
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:35:00 -
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instead of orbiting, keep distance , go to....
Give a free move controlled ship to the players(Probably tons of vets will disagreed since I rustled their jimmies), that will change a lot the dynamics for EVE universe.
But like Tippia said, need to fix the latency in order to make this feature work. The Codex Astartes guides us....*someone poke and whisper something* Oh wrong scenario...WHERE IS MY GIANT AQUARIUM?! |
Basileus Volkan
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:37:00 -
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Takamori Maruyama wrote:Basileus Volkan wrote:Adding a mini game to mining will only serve as a distraction, so miners are even easier to gank.
And I doubt it could keep people from botting either. Actually yes, since it will move the cursor to a random direction that a bot cannot prevent.It would fumble the bottter mining. As for the ganking a + for merc corps , guard services etc.
I don't know but it doesn't sound too hard to make a bot that follows random movement on the screen. Might not be as efficient as a real human doing it but then again a real human can't work 24/7. |
Charlotte The Harlot
La Villa Strangiato
7
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:40:00 -
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How about give miners a chance against scumbag gankers..
Now If I were a rich miner in the time of EvE,I would 1..Make sure I built the biggest mining boat I could,with shields and armor for the needs..2.. pay off Concord to make sure that second shot from the scumbags never come..
But would make me feel really good when ganked?? If concord just disabled your guns and held you in a tractor beam for me to come back in a pew-pew ship and ass gank you ..
Just fair right?? |
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Takamori Maruyama
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
18
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:43:00 -
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Charlotte The Harlot wrote:How about give miners a chance against scumbag gankers..
Now If I were a rich miner in the time of EvE,I would 1..Make sure I built the biggest mining boat I could,with shields and armor for the needs..2.. pay off Concord to make sure that second shot from the scumbags never come..
But would make me feel really good when ganked?? If concord just disabled your guns and held you in a tractor beam for me to come back in a pew-pew ship and ass gank you ..
Just fair right?? We are not talking about political and "social" problems in game. We are trying to improve the miner fun experience, so like I suggested in this topic.Get into a mining corp with serious ops in high sec and hire some muscle to protect your miners.You guys are just being greedy, want to keep all the profit.Sometimes if you want to make some profit you need to pay to reduce the risk. Its not bloody rocket science this sort of logic. The Codex Astartes guides us....*someone poke and whisper something* Oh wrong scenario...WHERE IS MY GIANT AQUARIUM?! |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
2
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:45:00 -
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Takamori Maruyama wrote:Basileus Volkan wrote:Adding a mini game to mining will only serve as a distraction, so miners are even easier to gank.
And I doubt it could keep people from botting either. Actually yes, since it will move the cursor to a random direction that a bot cannot prevent.It would fumble the bottter mining. As for the ganking a + for merc corps , guard services etc.
Incorrect, a bot would actually handle the situation in a much better manner than the average human. Anything that a human can do that is based around coordinating a pointer or keypresses a computer can do just as well or better. The only thing that computers cannot do are things that require one to look at things from a subjective, and constantly learning perspective. As for captchas computers feasibly could analyze the image and get the correct answer if the parsing program was robust enough but it's just cheaper to pay some shmuck in India or similar location to do the captcha for you, which can be integrated into botting too.
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Mail Order Bride
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:45:00 -
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You could try dropping mining yeilds slightly across the board and then add a small interactive feature that boosts yeilds slightly higher than they are now. That way you can still please semi afk miners and also reward people who choose to interact while mining. |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
2
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:47:00 -
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Charlotte The Harlot wrote:How about give miners a chance against scumbag gankers..
Now If I were a rich miner in the time of EvE,I would 1..Make sure I built the biggest mining boat I could,with shields and armor for the needs..2.. pay off Concord to make sure that second shot from the scumbags never come..
But would make me feel really good when ganked?? If concord just disabled your guns and held you in a tractor beam for me to come back in a pew-pew ship and ass gank you ..
Just fair right??
You can keep CONCORD around with a throwaway alt, you know that right?
As for your third point, sounds pretty malicious. You sure you don't want to try suicide ganking? It's fun! |
I Accidentally YourShip
Suzuka Heavy Industries
2
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:48:00 -
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Mail Order Bride wrote:You could try dropping mining yeilds slightly across the board and then add a small interactive feature that boosts yeilds slightly higher than they are now. That way you can still please semi afk miners and also reward people who choose to interact while mining.
And reward bots even more since they can do the task very efficiently for almost all forms of tedious minigames. |
Charlotte The Harlot
La Villa Strangiato
7
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:56:00 -
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Takamori Maruyama wrote:Charlotte The Harlot wrote:How about give miners a chance against scumbag gankers..
Now If I were a rich miner in the time of EvE,I would 1..Make sure I built the biggest mining boat I could,with shields and armor for the needs..2.. pay off Concord to make sure that second shot from the scumbags never come..
But would make me feel really good when ganked?? If concord just disabled your guns and held you in a tractor beam for me to come back in a pew-pew ship and ass gank you ..
Just fair right?? We are not talking about political and "social" problems in game. We are trying to improve the miner fun experience, so like I suggested in this topic.Get into a mining corp with serious ops in high sec and hire some muscle to protect your miners.You guys are just being greedy, want to keep all the profit.Sometimes if you want to make some profit you need to pay to reduce the risk. Its not bloody rocket science this sort of logic.
Well what we mine never hits the market,it ends up building crap down the road for my friends to waste..The problem is social..look what every Goon has been railing about for the last month..CCP has a mechanic in place to help the helpless,but every goon and his mother tries to work arounded what CCP intended..
Mining offenseave defensence or defence and yet all you hear are cries to even make them more helpless..CCP could do this..But you retards think all those statue shooter sub cancels were allot..The amout of production players that will bail will stagger this game.. |
Severian Carnifex
23
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:57:00 -
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- make belts so that you must scan them... i dont think botts can do scanning very well... (maybe add some more statics on scans too so that you must have brain to see its only static) - static belts have only very small roids for new players... (strips dont have use if it) - when you left scanned belt its gone... you must scan again... - make roid stealing criminal act so you can shoot that person - botts dont see what roid you mine... - make fleeting with other players and making real ops more rewarding then solo mining (orca boost better) - botts dont fleet |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
88
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:58:00 -
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Charlotte The Harlot wrote:Takamori Maruyama wrote:Charlotte The Harlot wrote:How about give miners a chance against scumbag gankers..
Now If I were a rich miner in the time of EvE,I would 1..Make sure I built the biggest mining boat I could,with shields and armor for the needs..2.. pay off Concord to make sure that second shot from the scumbags never come..
But would make me feel really good when ganked?? If concord just disabled your guns and held you in a tractor beam for me to come back in a pew-pew ship and ass gank you ..
Just fair right?? We are not talking about political and "social" problems in game. We are trying to improve the miner fun experience, so like I suggested in this topic.Get into a mining corp with serious ops in high sec and hire some muscle to protect your miners.You guys are just being greedy, want to keep all the profit.Sometimes if you want to make some profit you need to pay to reduce the risk. Its not bloody rocket science this sort of logic. Well what we mine never hits the market,it ends up building crap down the road for my friends to waste..The problem is social..look what every Goon has been railing about for the last month..CCP has a mechanic in place to help the helpless,but every goon and his mother tries to work arounded what CCP intended.. Mining offenseave defensence or defence and yet all you hear are cries to even make them more helpless..CCP could do this..But you retards think all those statue shooter sub cancels were allot..The amout of production players that will bail will stagger this game..
It may not hit the market, but your lack of demand does. Please take a moment to review your text before submitting. |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
88
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Posted - 2011.10.24 18:59:00 -
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Severian Carnifex wrote:- make belts so that you must scan them... i dont think botts can do scanning very well... (maybe add some more statics on scans too so that you must have brain to see its only static) - static belts have only very small roids for new players... (strips dont have use if it) - when you left scanned belt its gone... you must scan again... - make roid stealing criminal act so you can shoot that person - botts dont see what roid you mine... - make fleeting with other players and making real ops more rewarding then solo mining (orca boost better) - botts dont fleet
some ok ideas here, but still mining is zzzzz Please take a moment to review your text before submitting. |
Charlotte The Harlot
La Villa Strangiato
7
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:04:00 -
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would moving belts around every couple hours do away with botters?? two things That need to be done together..
1. make it impossible to bot..
2 make it impossible to gank high sec miners.. |
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Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN
337
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:07:00 -
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Why does an iPad game have better mining and space flight effects than our game? |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
96
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:08:00 -
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Off topic posts removed, please stay on topic.
We aim to release information about new plans, features and gameplay changes as fast as possible and as soon as they are available. Please check our news items, forums and other social media to stay well informed about EVE. Thank you.
CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Severian Carnifex
23
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:09:00 -
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Apollo Gabriel wrote:Severian Carnifex wrote:- make belts so that you must scan them... i dont think botts can do scanning very well... (maybe add some more statics on scans too so that you must have brain to see its only static) - static belts have only very small roids for new players... (strips dont have use if it) - when you left scanned belt its gone... you must scan again... - make roid stealing criminal act so you can shoot that person - botts dont see what roid you mine... - make fleeting with other players and making real ops more rewarding then solo mining (orca boost better) - botts dont fleet some ok ideas here, but still mining is zzzzz
thnx... i know its zzz... but ppl do it any way... :)
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
912
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:11:00 -
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Charlotte The Harlot wrote:two things That need to be done together..
1. make it impossible to bot..
2 make it impossible to gank high sec miners.. Non sequitur. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
88
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Apollo Gabriel wrote:Tippia wrote:If they could solve the latency issues, they should just blatantly steal Galaxy of Fire's mining minigame. Can you find a youtube vid for me? I don't even know what I'm looking for and feeling lazy. This. Basically, it's a game of GÇ£keep the reticle within the circleGÇ¥ where the circle keeps shrinking as you suck up more ore, and the reticle keeps bouncing around, trying to get away from the centre of the circle. Better mining drills gives you more control (by slowing the slippage down and/or by increasing your ability to push back). More valuable ores can be had by first stripping away the outer layers and then drill at the core, when the circle is at its absolute smallest. If you're too slow/hamfisted to control the drill, it slips outside the drill zone and starts overheating. Overheat too much, and the whole asteroid explodes, making you lose all the ore from it. At any time, you can simply stop and collect however much you've extracted so far (so if you're about to explode, it's better to just take what little you have, rather than try to fight for control and lose it all). Once you've stopped drilling GÇö either by overheating, by interrupting the process, or by finishing up with the core drilling, the asteroid is no longer available for further attempts until it respawns. Of course, a lot of these details are matched to how GoF handles respawns and availability in general (it's an SP game so you have no real competition, and no-one gets upset if you just blow every last rock to pieces), so all of it isn't exactly directly transferrable to EVEGǪ but some of the basic ideas might work.
That's a horrible mechanic in that game. And I'm not entirely convinced that it wouldn't kill the afk miner populace making way for bot programs being extremely successful at it.
No, I think the thing to do about mining is remove simplistic repetitiveness from mining altogether. Mineable roids need to be extremely hard to find, extremely dangerous to mine. Eve should have a "badlands" of sort, current space not withstanding, that's really only attractive to miners and explorers, having certain properties, like w-space, that dampens the efficacy of PVP but that doesn't make it impossible. It should be something that the barges can at least have a fighting chance in groups of defending themselves. This space needs to take time to get to, be difficult to get in and out of and only support mining outposts incapable of supporting PVP ships in any way and having limited lifespans. PVP'ers can go in there, at reduced efficacy, but they got to bring everything they need with them. Miners too. Gotta bring in everything they need and ship out all their ore. The amount of ore coming out should be small, but profitable. Anyone going in there should realize that they just can't come and go as they please as to discourage all but the most determined roving gangs. They should realize they're going to be there for a while. This space should have no sov, no racial bias, nothing. It's just empty explorable space. It's resources, whatever they might be, should be far and few between but extremely profitable. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
89
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:21:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
Only if I get to buy MOOBS!
Please take a moment to review your text before submitting. |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:27:00 -
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Boost rats!!! |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:28:00 -
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Takamori Maruyama wrote:You guys are just being greedy, want to keep all the profit.Sometimes if you want to make some profit you need to pay to reduce the risk. Its not bloody rocket science this sort of logic.
The last guy I met IRL affirming what you just said finished with a hole between his eyes (for true), as a nice guy thou.
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Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
89
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:29:00 -
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Avila Cracko wrote:Boost rats!!! If the rats in system responded to each other the way sleepers do, showing up to RR to warp scram you ... oh I'd love it. Please take a moment to review your text before submitting. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. The Lostboys
96
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Posted - 2011.10.24 19:29:00 -
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Takamori Maruyama wrote:Basileus Volkan wrote:Adding a mini game to mining will only serve as a distraction, so miners are even easier to gank.
And I doubt it could keep people from botting either. Actually yes, since it will move the cursor to a random direction that a bot cannot prevent.It would fumble the bottter mining. As for the ganking a + for merc corps , guard services etc.
The bots could move it back much faster than a person as they got a faster reaction time, always follow the program and never get fatigued. Remember when trying to design a game that cannot be botted:
A bot is world chess champion. A bot is world Jeopardy champion. A bot can drive a rover on Mars.
So to make the game un-bottable, its got to be more difficult than chess, Jeopardy, and driving over unknown rugged terrain all at the same time. Oh, and fun and playable for a human player that just started eve for the first time.
Also mercs cannot protect miners from an alpha strike as that would mean they got to shoot first, and then they become the criminals and get concorded. CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can. |
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