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Man, these forums suck.

Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic, thank you!

what about a medium size freighter; sure you can use a orca but i mean a freighter class same size as a orca but replacing the corp hangar and ore cargo hold for a nice 250 k of cargo space and maybe a few utility slots or rigs but not capable of interacting with object is space like a normal freighter

I'll discuss ships and even refrain from mentioning your apparent need to click buttons as fast as possible!

Although I'm not really clear on what you're suggesting, would the courier/gatekeeper be the 60km3 cargohold ships? Since the courier is tiny and the gatekeeper looks like it would be a combat support vessel. I'm equally confused about the ascog, which looks like a (pretty excellent to my caldari sensibilities) battleship, and not a massive 100km3 cargohold hauler at all.

No... thank you!


See... logistics is where I see a lot of room to grow. I agree with you here. There could be half a dozen hauler classes in between indys/transports and freighters.

I'd add tier 2 destroyers: Missile destroyer, drone destroyer, heavy destroyer and agile destroyer. Just for example.

Edit: Actually, I'd add a bunch of ships with specific characteristics fitting to their empire of origin, which have no similar ship from other empires but instead something with a equal power level, just in a different way. Yay for more diversity and characterization.

To make small ship combat more varied and fun:

- Light Logistic Ships, T2 frigates with sig/speed tanking ability and reduceed fitting reqs for medium shield/armor reps with a 150% bonus to range per level (@ level 5 that translates to 51000 metres for medium transfers)

- Light Command Ships, heavily tanked yet agile T2 destroyers with a 2% per level bonus and reduced fitting reqs for warfare mods, and with the ability to run 3 links

- Electronic Defence Ships, T2 frigates with sig/speed tanking ability with bonus to 4 new forms of electronic warfare: Amarr: Ghost Target Projector (projecting x ghost targets to enemy sensors), Caldari: Drone Suppression Jammer (forces enemy drones into passive autonomous mode within a certain radius), Minmatar: Tactical Targeting Network (ECCM effect through shared datalinks, reducing normal ECM effect to ECM burst effect within a certain radius), Gallente: Missile Defence Jammer (jams missile guidance systems preventing them from hitting their targets within a certain radius - unguided (i.e short range) missiles unaffected)

(and incidentally, make the current EAFs able to sig/speedtank as well)

I think we are missing a real ganking plat form... a ship that can take out (solo) a mining barge (tanked) and the pod in a .9 system before concord comes in.

Incidentally, think what a Electronic defence Ship with a Ghost target projector would do for those poor miners

Damn forums ate reply to OP....****/


in short;

Larger industrials - good and fills gap between maxed ity 5/orca and frieghters
Destroyer w/ cruiser weaps - nah. fix destroyers
Explo ship - ok (though AF and HAC do this nicely with scouting support)
Starbase Const - nah not sure this is a need
Implant Salvagers - this would be cool and give meaning to collecting corpses beyond just bragging rights

I don't follow... how does that help?

I would like to see an all-in-one exploration ship.

Something that can tank like a drake, with similar or slighty more damage, while having the ability to salvage and probe.

That sounds OP, but I would love to fly one.

Well imagine warping into a belt in your suicide BC with 3 Macinaws and a EDS with gjost projector on. As you land you see not 3 but 8 Macinaws, of which 5 are fake. You can lock on to them, you can fire at them, but you will never do damage as you really are just firing into empty space. You will not draw aggro either - so Concord will stay away, but your mistake will allow the miners to warp to safety. Of course, there is a chance that you will pick a real target, but it should never be risk free to do whatever you do.

We need a smartbombing platform... like a ship that can fit 8 and has bonuses that include shorter cycle time and decrease energy cost.

restricted to Jita... yup .... i would love to see that

Heavy Recon
Battleship class Force Recon. Able to use covert cloak and covert cyno. Abilities are similar to existing Force Recons on a heavier platform. Basically what Black Ops could have been.

Cyno Interrupter
Battlecruiser class. Able to fit new module which can disrupt a cyno field. If activated on a specific cyno field, any ships jumping through will materialize 100km away in a random direction.


Web Thrower
Cruiser class. Able to fit new module which can launch a web bubble which cuts velocity of any ships within its area of effect.


Capital Brawler
Dreadnought class. With its 1000MN MWD, this ship can move around the field better than its immobile cousin making for more tactical and spread out capital battles.


(credit to Gunner Cid for most of these ideas)

A freighter strictly for flying assembled ships, only a modest regular cargohold of <1000m3, but with a ship maintenance hangar of 1.000.000m3. No corp hangar, so it doesn't cut into the Orca's niche too much.

Implant Salvagers - this would be cool and give meaning to collecting corpses beyond just bragging rights

These are all great ideas. I particularly like the idea of the light command ships. That would make for a lot more frig fleets... bigger frig flees too.. I bet the FW people would love it too... and it would re-energize lowsec too. Good stuff... there's nothing like it now but definitely a roll for it.

Had a thread in features and ideas where I advocated for:

Maybe something with 100,000 m3 cargo here: Ascog

I disagree.

I like the idea of T3 BC's that can be specifically constructed to run unified small gangs. Subsystems would be very specific powerful gang links basically.

Such as a sub system that gives the Wolf 20% more damage up to 5 wolfs in the group or gives Jaguars 10% velocity etc. etc.

I think the best ideas at present are:

• Pocket Carriers
• More transport Classes
• Frigate command ship (destroyer class?)
• Cyno Interruptor BC
• Web Thrower
• Implant salvager (again, destroyer class)
• Smartbomb Specialized Ship

Seems doable. Seems logistical. Seems like there's a roll for these ships.

Certainly a cloaky BC-class exploration ship would be good. Maybe a T2 tier-2 version, capable of running reasonably decent sites solo and making it possible to go low/null with less fear - certainly an incentive for highsec pilots to head out into the wilds. I'd suggest same sort of dps output as the T1 versions, bonus to exploration modules and geared towards an active tank.

A lot of these player designs are stunning. Does anyone know where I can browse for more? Kudos to the OP and the artists behind the ships he posted.

In to support "normal" drone carrier ships. I would love a ship with 1/2 high slots for weapons that could field 10 or 15 drones. From a flavor point of view, Gallente being the "drone lords", but still fielding the same number as everyone else is... annoying.

Also, a dedicated, bonused Exploration BC would be awesome. The main thing stopping me from going on deep exploration runs is the need to be close enough to my combat ships.

Hmm... well a pocket carrier is one thing... but what you propose here would be a real game-changer... there would need to be some significant ANTI-drone options for other non-Gallente ships if you did that... could be a real tricky thing to pull because is would throw off game balance for all drones...

XL Destroyer. Ships roughly destroyer sized, but mounting only a single but extremely oversized XL weapon module.

Aside from a fitting bonus for the XL weapon, there should be a synergy-bonus, that enhances the damage when several XL destroyers focus their fire on a target.

A bit like the Ion-Frigate from the Homeworld-games.

Or limit what drones it can hold, just like they are doing with Fighters. Say, a battleship/mini-capital that has maybe only 4 highslots (no hardpoints) and a drone bay that can only hold heavies and/or sentries (or maybe any drone that is 25m3). Maybe has a bonus to drone MWD velocity and HP, and a reduction to non-MWD speeds (i.e. drones can get to their targets quicker, but are easier to shoot down once they are there.) Not sure if it should get a mini-triage or not, but I'd imagine it shouldn't be much stronger RR than a logi, if not a little weaker. Not sure if it should be allowed into mission/incursion deadspaces, or be PVP only. Maybe give it a 250k m3 ship bay, just to emphasize it's carrier-ness.

Of course, it would be even nicer if drones were fixed to be less a pain in the ass.

XL Destroyer. Ships roughly destroyer sized, but mounting only a single but extremely oversized XL weapon module.

Aside from a fitting bonus for the XL weapon, there should be a synergy-bonus, that enhances the damage when several XL destroyers focus their fire on a target.

A bit like the Ion-Frigate from the Homeworld-games.

what about a medium size freighter; sure you can use a orca but i mean a freighter class same size as a orca but replacing the corp hangar and ore cargo hold for a nice 250 k of cargo space and maybe a few utility slots or rigs but not capable of interacting with object in space like a normal freighter

In to support "normal" drone carrier ships. I would love a ship with 1/2 high slots for weapons that could field 10 or 15 drones. From a flavor point of view, Gallente being the "drone lords", but still fielding the same number as everyone else is... annoying.

Also, a dedicated, bonused Exploration BC would be awesome. The main thing stopping me from going on deep exploration runs is the need to be close enough to my combat ships.

get a t3 works just fine

I have to say one idea I've heard recently that makes a bit of since is the concept of escort carriers.

Half the size of a full carrier, maybe a reduction to drone control units fitting cost as well.

Of course there would be limitations such as not able to launch fighters , or maybe as many, remove/limit logistic bonuses and jump drive.

As I said, it's an idea I've heard thrown around that I think deserves some discussion

Why not give freighters / JF's slots? You can reduce the base cargo hold to offset people adding cargo expanders. Maybe even allow jump freighters to have guns so they can fend off a couple frigates. CCP shouldn't consider adding another cargo class ship until these ships are rightfully given slots. The only other ships in the game without slots are shuttles iirc.