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theRaptor	Posted - 2005.12.02 13:30:00 - [1] Why are all the drone ships getting mining bonuses? They already have lots of turrets. What about Caldari? We don't have teh turrets? CCP needs to make mining missiles, where you blast of a piece of the rock and suck it into your ship. This would make my cerberus uber. Please CCP, think of teh Caldari. Lots of love, Me. I, don't, think, you, trust, in my self-righteous suicide.
Asnar	Posted - 2005.12.02 13:34:00 - [2] You've been reading to many Detaurus posts.
000Hunter000	Posted - 2005.12.02 13:40:00 - [3] Mining missiles... LMAO!!!
Hugh Ruka	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:01:00 - [4] Originally by: theRaptor Why are all the drone ships getting mining bonuses? They already have lots of turrets. What about Caldari? We don't have teh turrets? CCP needs to make mining missiles, where you blast of a piece of the rock and suck it into your ship. This would make my cerberus uber. Please CCP, think of teh Caldari. Lots of love, Me. You must be trolling ... Using mining drones on a dominix is very effective, so when they get their drone capacity nerfed, they have to get some compensation in the mining bonus. ------------------------------ Removed due to offensive content - Laqum I realy liked my signature. Oh well ...
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:10:00 - [5] Originally by: Hugh Ruka Originally by: theRaptor Why are all the drone ships getting mining bonuses? They already have lots of turrets. What about Caldari? We don't have teh turrets? CCP needs to make mining missiles, where you blast of a piece of the rock and suck it into your ship. This would make my cerberus uber. Please CCP, think of teh Caldari. Lots of love, Me. You must be trolling ... Using mining drones on a dominix is very effective, so when they get their drone capacity nerfed, they have to get some compensation in the mining bonus. And why is the Caldari discriminated so? Why does the drone ships get bonus? Just cause is the way it is is no reason to stay that way. I, don't, think, you, trust, in my self-righteous suicide.
Jaketh Ivanes	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:14:00 - [6] What about the minmatar.. they don't have 8 turrets as the Amarr does.. they should get a mining bonus alos then But to be honest, if a dom could use 15 mining drones before and now only 5, they should get a compensation for it, as they are the ones getting nerfed, not the caldari .
keepiru	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:16:00 - [7] Originally by: theRaptor Why are all the drone ships getting mining bonuses? They already have lots of turrets. What about Caldari? We don't have teh turrets? CCP needs to make mining missiles, where you blast of a piece of the rock and suck it into your ship. This would make my cerberus uber. Please CCP, think of teh Caldari. Lots of love, Me. I Agree. And they better release both T1 and T2 mining missiles right off the bat too ;D ------------- Where are the named 800mm Plates and Mega Ions, CCP?
Moominer	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:16:00 - [8] Originally by: theRaptor And why is the Caldari discriminated so? Why does the drone ships get bonus? Just cause is the way it is is no reason to stay that way. because caldari don't have any ships with +1 drone per level? the ships that do, are losing it in RMR, and are getting drone damage/mining drone yield increase instead. +1 drone per level ships in RMR will only be able to control 5 drones, just like caldari, instead of their 15 vs 10 before. hence the bonus, comprende? Eve Fitting Manager
Ithildin	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:25:00 - [9] If you take the avarage drone mining yield over all ships in EVE on TQ and then compare it to on SiSi (ignoring modules), it is lower on SiSi than on TQ. It's the same as with drone damage (again, ignoring new modules). With max skills, drone mining yield is the same in RMR as on TQ. So. When are these forums going live in game?
keepiru	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:30:00 - [10] Because youre ugly ------------- Where are the named 800mm Plates and Mega Ions, CCP?
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Moominer Originally by: theRaptor And why is the Caldari discriminated so? Why does the drone ships get bonus? Just cause is the way it is is no reason to stay that way. because caldari don't have any ships with +1 drone per level? the ships that do, are losing it in RMR, and are getting drone damage/mining drone yield increase instead. +1 drone per level ships in RMR will only be able to control 5 drones, just like caldari, instead of their 15 vs 10 before. hence the bonus, comprende? But drone ships have turrets to!! Caldari dont have many turrets and dont have drones. Why aren;t Caldari allowed to be good miners?? I, don't, think, you, trust, in my self-righteous suicide.
Grimpak	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:35:00 - [12] Originally by: keepiru Because youre ugly yes! intaki girls > caldari girls (althou deteis ones look cool) ------------------- Celestial Horizon: we go zerg on you
Com Cam	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:44:00 - [13] Last time I checked info on most of the ships in game, the ONLY "Mining" ships were produced by Ore (the 3 mining barges). The Dominix is a COMBAT ship which is also used to mine, just like the Apocalypse, Megathron, Osprey, and a few others. Some of these ships happen to get a bonus for mining, but their primary design is combat. A well trained Osprey pilot can give a good showing at any mining operation provided you have good mining skills also. Granted you can not fit as many drones in her drone bay, but look at the price tag between an Osprey and a Dominix. If you are a dedicated miner, train for the Covetor. Currently she is the best mining ship in game. Granted it will take a bit of time (depending on your attributes) but the return in ore mined will be more. With proper planning, you can mine low security belts with the Covetor. You will just have to know what you are doing and have proper protection for her. I am not sure how "Mining Missiles" would work. A missile can not "suck" rocks into your ship once it is "blasted" from the astroid. I think our best bet may be to stick to the mining lasers. I know it sometimes sucks to have more missile slots on your ship than turrets, but that is what we get being more of a missile specialist. We also use Hybrids, and some of the Dev Blogs indicate slight "adjustments" to some of our ship layouts MIGHT be in the works (MK 2 project for example). These layout changes may not all be in the line of weapons, but some might. In short, be patient "Grasshopper". If you are a hard core miner, train the Ore ships to maximize on your mining efforts. Keep in mind that the Osprey, even though it is a cruiser, is one hell of a ship to mine with. You will have a difficult time besting it for the ISK. If you do not wish to go the Ore Mining Barge route, get cruiser 5 and use the Osprey (if you wish to stay pure Caldari). Cruiser 5 will open so many more doors for you later (HACs for example) and give you a great mining yield from her 3 lasers as a bi-product. Have a nice day and fly safe "Always maintain a rigid state of flexibility"
Lagar	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:46:00 - [14] caldari is discriminated beceause they were loved before..
Asnar	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:47:00 - [15] Originally by: theRaptor Originally by: Moominer Originally by: theRaptor And why is the Caldari discriminated so? Why does the drone ships get bonus? Just cause is the way it is is no reason to stay that way. because caldari don't have any ships with +1 drone per level? the ships that do, are losing it in RMR, and are getting drone damage/mining drone yield increase instead. +1 drone per level ships in RMR will only be able to control 5 drones, just like caldari, instead of their 15 vs 10 before. hence the bonus, comprende? But drone ships have turrets to!! Caldari dont have many turrets and dont have drones. Why aren;t Caldari allowed to be good miners?? Cause you try too look as mean as me, but got the spine and the brain of the amarr. And cry like a gallente.
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:47:00 - [16] Yes, Caldari are so nerfed, shieldtanking becoming OMFWTFBBQUBER must really suck for them. Sig removed. Image far too big. 120x400 pixels max. 24000 bytes max. -Kaemonn Ohnoes, I've been nerfed :(
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:50:00 - [17] Originally by: Testy Mctest Yes, Caldari are so nerfed, shieldtanking becoming OMFWTFBBQUBER must really suck for them. How doew shield help they miners? This is no shelp at all!! I, don't, think, you, trust, in my self-righteous suicide.
Professor McFly	Posted - 2005.12.02 14:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: keepiru Because youre ugly yes! intaki girls > caldari girls (althou deteis ones look cool) Ni-Kunni > * Gallente are clearly the high maintenance type __________________ Retard's handbook
Anjerrai Meloanis	Posted - 2005.12.02 15:07:00 - [19] Edited by: Anjerrai Meloanis on 02/12/2005 15:07:58 Originally by: theRaptor But drone ships have turrets to!! Caldari dont have many turrets and dont have drones. Why aren;t Caldari allowed to be good miners?? Because Caldari mission *****.. Thankfully not all ships in Eve are the same, thats why there are 4 races uh.
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.12.02 15:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Anjerrai Meloanis Edited by: Anjerrai Meloanis on 02/12/2005 15:07:58 Originally by: theRaptor But drone ships have turrets to!! Caldari dont have many turrets and dont have drones. Why aren;t Caldari allowed to be good miners?? Because Caldari mission *****.. Thankfully not all ships in Eve are the same, thats why there are 4 races Why is there this discrimination? I am a humble Caldari who like to mine! I, don't, think, you, trust, in my self-righteous suicide.
Alazais	Posted - 2005.12.02 15:24:00 - [21] If you're a dedicated miner, then spend a month to learn to fly a covetor.... that ship is lots better then any Battleship at mining. If you just want to mine on the side, do it in an Osprey and at least appreciate the cheapness of a it, it is a good mining ship with cruiser 5 and mining drones. so shh. http://emiug.servebeer.com/eve/sigs/alazsig.jpg Maximum signature image dimensions are 400*120 pixels - Udat
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.12.02 15:29:00 - [22] Originally by: Alazais If you're a dedicated miner, then spend a month to learn to fly a covetor.... that ship is lots better then any Battleship at mining. If you just want to mine on the side, do it in an Osprey and at least appreciate the cheapness of a it, it is a good mining ship with cruiser 5 and mining drones. so shh. Why spend a month learning to fly barges when other races dotn need to>? Where is the fairness int hat? I, don't, think, you, trust, in my self-righteous suicide.
Cadadon	Posted - 2005.12.02 15:34:00 - [23] Fly other race ships then, there's nothing stopping you, stop whinging and get on with the game. Want to mine, fly a barge. Any serious miner will do that, whatever race they are. If you don't want to fly a barge, train up Gallente BS or Amarr BS. Whatever you do, you don't need to come here and whinge. Cad ----- CEO of Talon Syndicate
Ashraaf	Posted - 2005.12.02 15:36:00 - [24] Same as me, make a corp, get some gallantean, put them on the belt and stay at the bar with other CEO drinking fine champagne ;) It's possible to mine in low/nul sec with an apoc or 'nix, and tank rat. It's be far more difficult with an osprey Raven and Scorp are bad mining ship.
Jaketh Ivanes	Posted - 2005.12.02 15:38:00 - [25] Originally by: theRaptor Originally by: Alazais If you're a dedicated miner, then spend a month to learn to fly a covetor.... that ship is lots better then any Battleship at mining. If you just want to mine on the side, do it in an Osprey and at least appreciate the cheapness of a it, it is a good mining ship with cruiser 5 and mining drones. so shh. Why spend a month learning to fly barges when other races dotn need to>? Where is the fairness int hat? Didn't know I had to spend less time to train for a Barge than Caldari So, mining is a weakness of the caldari.. so what. Should I claim that Amarr are discriminated because we got **** for shields and absolutely no ECM ability? Ups.. think i just did
Alazais	Posted - 2005.12.02 15:42:00 - [26] Fairness.... thats the whole point though, if every race had the same turret/missile/bonus's/weapons and shield/armour then sure it'd be balanced and fair... just incredibly stupid. An Osprey can pull in the same amount of ore as a Megathron or a Armageddon as long as it is using drones... The difference is small, hardly worth complaining about. The way i see it... if caldari aren't changed... you'll keep on whining, if they were given more turret hardpoints, many more would whine about them being too uber... so its easier to let the few whine about caldari being crap miners. http://emiug.servebeer.com/eve/sigs/alazsig.jpg Maximum signature image dimensions are 400*120 pixels - Udat
Hampstah	Posted - 2005.12.02 16:02:00 - [27] We also need sniping miners so my tempest can mine at 150KM. ----- Beware Rodentz with Gunz
Greyshadow	Posted - 2005.12.02 16:12:00 - [28] I'll just fly other races ships but hang on I have mining barge already so no need "Now you see me, now you don't!"
Sirilonwe	Posted - 2005.12.02 16:16:00 - [29] Originally by: Grimpak intaki girls > caldari girls (althou deteis ones look cool) Thanks _______________________ Forums DSU
Masta Killa	Posted - 2005.12.02 16:34:00 - [30] Talk to FC Raptor, he perfected the technique of mining with torps some time ago. -------------------------------------- Hail Stian Allaince and the emperor who can't spell. ;]
Ambrose	Posted - 2005.12.02 16:45:00 - [31] They need to make something that fits into a launcher slot that helps mining. Like a micro Augeror drone launcher...
St Dragon	Posted - 2005.12.02 17:54:00 - [32] Nothing stoping you from getting a barg
Frezik	Posted - 2005.12.02 18:02:00 - [33] An Apoc can actually mine more than a tier 2 barge, and the Apoc can actually fit a tank while its doing it. This does not mean the Caldari or other races are getting the shaft, but rather that the Apoc is too good. I guess I can buy the Apoc being better than the tier 1 barge, but not the tier 2 or 3. I call for a 25% reduction in mining laser yeild on all turrent BS. ---- "Well in this case, he's being flamed, and rightly so, for whinning about a game mechanic that doesn't actually exist." -Lorth
Virxe	Posted - 2005.12.02 18:11:00 - [34] I think all battleships should get -50% mining bonus just because they aren't flipping mining ships. The drone ships dont need a mining bonus because they arent meant to be mining anyway. Raptor is right, it is a caldari nerf. Since when is a race who is all about liberation and entertainment mining? The caldari are the industrial race. DUH.
Com Cam	Posted - 2005.12.02 19:40:00 - [35] Originally by: Frezik An Apoc can actually mine more than a tier 2 barge, and the Apoc can actually fit a tank while its doing it. This does not mean the Caldari or other races are getting the shaft, but rather that the Apoc is too good. I guess I can buy the Apoc being better than the tier 1 barge, but not the tier 2 or 3. I call for a 25% reduction in mining laser yeild on all turrent BS. The tier 2 barge is actually the "cruiser" of the Ore line up. The tier 1 is the "frigate" of the Ore mining barge line up. So naturly a battleship will outmine them. But if you put them up against a ship from their respective class, I think you will find the gap is a bit smaller. "Always maintain a rigid state of flexibility"
Hllaxiu	Posted - 2005.12.02 20:08:00 - [36] Originally by: Virxe I think all battleships should get -50% mining bonus just because they aren't flipping mining ships. The drone ships dont need a mining bonus because they arent meant to be mining anyway. Raptor is right, it is a caldari nerf. Since when is a race who is all about liberation and entertainment mining? The caldari are the industrial race. DUH. mmmm. Morphite above 30k again would be nice.
Ricdic	Posted - 2005.12.03 01:01:00 - [37] Well. In light of the missile overhaul, which basically put Caldari back inline with other ships in combat terms. Next, we need to put caldari back inline with other ships in industrial terms. No need to complain about the mining aspect though. The odds are quite high that the tier 3 caldari battleship will be a railgun ship, so I see 0.0 tank mining as a very good possibility for it. However, how about we look at industrials. Without looking at t2, caldari, amarr, and minmattar only get 2 industrial ships. And of everyone except gallente industrials, none can perform near as well as gallente. So it is kind of suss that Gallente want to have battleships and combat ships that are balanced with the other races, while they sit there, far exceeding the industrial capacity that any other race can achieve. I call for the mk3,mk4,and mk5 badger to be released. Why?? Because gallente industrials are overpowered. Also, of course, minmattar and amarr deserve industrials the equivalent of gallente's powerfull itty V. You cant use transport or freighter ships as an argument. As for drones, I would LOVE to see a caldari drone ship be released. Just like I guess it would be fair for Duvolle Laboratories to steal a concept blueprint from Caldari State for a new missile ship, and enter it into the gallente market. While i agree that caldari need to hold their missile ***** status, and gallente their drone status, races should still be given some basic love here. Otherwise, why do amarr get a drone ship? Just thought i would bring an extra bottle of whine to the dinner table ------------------------------------------ Dreadnought Production INC is recruiting Join DPI Channel Or Visit (IGB) http://www.mmorpg-online.net/intro.html
Emperor Coth	Posted - 2005.12.03 03:43:00 - [38] Wellll Harrow Detaurus told me to tell you, Caldari will rock after t2 missiles come out, until they nerf them 2 wekks following that.
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.12.03 03:49:00 - [39] "intaki girls > caldari girls (althou deteis ones look cool)" Pfft, like Gallente boys have any say in the subject really, seeing how they only have eyes for other Gallente boys... ;s
Hoshi	Posted - 2005.12.03 04:08:00 - [40] Originally by: Ricdic Well. In light of the missile overhaul, which basically put Caldari back inline with other ships in combat terms. Next, we need to put caldari back inline with other ships in industrial terms. No need to complain about the mining aspect though. The odds are quite high that the tier 3 caldari battleship will be a railgun ship, so I see 0.0 tank mining as a very good possibility for it. By looking at other Caldari "Rail platforms" it would very much suprise me if the caldari tier 3 BS would get more than 6 turret slots. Caldari will be cursed with there mixed highs until doomsday.
Jadeon	Posted - 2005.12.03 06:57:00 - [41] Originally by: j0sephine "intaki girls > caldari girls (althou deteis ones look cool)" Pfft, like Gallente boys have any say in the subject really, seeing how they only have eyes for other Gallente boys... ;s I think I wil be laughing at this for a long long time
Emperor Coth	Posted - 2005.12.03 07:14:00 - [42] Originally by: Jadeon Originally by: j0sephine "intaki girls > caldari girls (althou deteis ones look cool)" Pfft, like Gallente boys have any say in the subject really, seeing how they only have eyes for other Gallente boys... ;s I think I wil be laughing at this for a long long time Amarr girls are stuck up, and Minmatar girls are mean
Andy Bartfeldt	Posted - 2005.12.03 07:46:00 - [43] Originally by: theRaptor Why are all the drone ships getting mining bonuses? They already have lots of turrets. What about Caldari? We don't have teh turrets? CCP needs to make mining missiles, where you blast of a piece of the rock and suck it into your ship. This would make my cerberus uber. Please CCP, think of teh Caldari. Lots of love, Me. Not exactly sure if this is a sarcastic post or not, but ohwell. CCP have thought about the Caldari(or they just got lucky). If you're truely a Caldarian, you'd think about it like a Caldarian. Either use what ships work 'better', or make a deal with someone who uses a mining barge or a ship you think mines ore better than the caldari ships. Can't you think outside the box or act towards this in a mercantile fashion? Because of the small populace of the state, there's a lesser need to harvest ore, the caldari ships were created to suit this. Why buy 10 missile launchers when you only need 5? Think about this in a better perspective... or you can just whine like everyone else. Your choice, I guess.
Ricdic	Posted - 2005.12.03 11:15:00 - [44] Originally by: Hoshi Originally by: Ricdic Well. In light of the missile overhaul, which basically put Caldari back inline with other ships in combat terms. Next, we need to put caldari back inline with other ships in industrial terms. No need to complain about the mining aspect though. The odds are quite high that the tier 3 caldari battleship will be a railgun ship, so I see 0.0 tank mining as a very good possibility for it. By looking at other Caldari "Rail platforms" it would very much suprise me if the caldari tier 3 BS would get more than 6 turret slots. Caldari will be cursed with there mixed highs until doomsday. I agree, and hate the fact that we dont have a single ship that can fill all of its high slots with turrets. I will be really dissapointed if our tier3 rail battleship has a high slot placement of anything other than a 7/2 , 8/2 , 8/1 , 8/0, but I can just feel that we are gonna get hit with either a stupid 6/4 or 6/2. Christ, we dont even have a dedicated missile battleship. and yes, I am sure minmatar feel the same pain as we do. ------------------------------------------ Dreadnought Production INC is recruiting Join DPI Channel Or Visit (IGB) http://www.mmorpg-online.net/intro.html
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.12.03 11:18:00 - [45] Originally by: Professor McFly Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: keepiru Because youre ugly yes! intaki girls > caldari girls (althou deteis ones look cool) Ni-Kunni > * Gallente are clearly the high maintenance type Look into my eyes Brutor means Best ~Captain Cutie, ISC Event Horizon Biomass fears me. Sovereignty 2.0
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.12.03 11:20:00 - [46] Edited by: Sobeseki Pawi on 03/12/2005 11:20:18 Originally by: Emperor Coth Originally by: Jadeon Originally by: j0sephine "intaki girls > caldari girls (althou deteis ones look cool)" Pfft, like Gallente boys have any say in the subject really, seeing how they only have eyes for other Gallente boys... ;s I think I wil be laughing at this for a long long time Amarr girls are stuck up, and Minmatar girls are mean I dare you to say that to my face. ~Captain Cutie, ISC Event Horizon Biomass fears me. Sovereignty 2.0
rachel saxon	Posted - 2005.12.03 11:34:00 - [47] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: keepiru Because youre ugly yes! intaki girls > caldari girls (althou deteis ones look cool) I er... have a hard time agreeing here. Gallente women are bred to merely look as pretty as they can be - all cute, no gumption. We Civrie are also natural athletes, compound fighters and we still have the hottest girls. Why the sacriledge of using a fighting ship for doing this digging of crumbs anyhow? We fight to pay the cowards to dig for us in their dedicated digging machines. It is a shame on our race that some dig.....
Trelennen	Posted - 2005.12.03 13:54:00 - [48] Originally by: Com Cam Originally by: Frezik An Apoc can actually mine more than a tier 2 barge, and the Apoc can actually fit a tank while its doing it. This does not mean the Caldari or other races are getting the shaft, but rather that the Apoc is too good. I guess I can buy the Apoc being better than the tier 1 barge, but not the tier 2 or 3. I call for a 25% reduction in mining laser yeild on all turrent BS. The tier 2 barge is actually the "cruiser" of the Ore line up. The tier 1 is the "frigate" of the Ore mining barge line up. So naturly a battleship will outmine them. But if you put them up against a ship from their respective class, I think you will find the gap is a bit smaller. Following this logic, we should then have: tier 2 barge is actually the "cruiser" of the Ore line up. The tier 1 is the "frigate" and the tier 3 is the "battleship". So naturly, a tier 3 barge will outdamage and outtank a cruiser . Oh wait, it's not like that. Your comparison makes no sense. Mining barges are specialized ships, and a tier 1 barge, considering it has nearly no defence, should perform as well or better than a battleship at mining, and tier 2 and tier 3 barges should perform better. Not that mining barges should be boosted, but the ability of some battleships to mine should not be that high. Or you should really boost the tank ability of barges, with the tanking gap between a tier 3 barge and a battleship being as small as the mining gap Quote: dont fly what you cant afford to lose, always have it insured, make sure you can replace it before you take it into 0.0 or any potentially kaboomish situations.
Alexia Sonique	Posted - 2005.12.03 14:28:00 - [49] I can see his point its not new though an minmitar get shafted too since thsoe with more turrets can mine more efficiently so amarr and galante always are able to get more isk in. But you should know that before you train caladari has never been the best mining ships i think the idea has been that you use the good npcing and missioning ability to make your isk. If you dont like it just train basic amarr and use an apoc to mine.
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.12.04 12:53:00 - [50] To all the people that got it ♥ To the others. Pwned. I, don't, think, you, trust, in my self-righteous suicide.
Flashmurder	Posted - 2005.12.04 13:10:00 - [51] Considering the uberness of Caldari battleships, I think it's quite cheeky to be moaning about their mining skill, fly an interracial barge!
Soldier 001	Posted - 2005.12.04 13:20:00 - [52] Originally by: Virxe I think all battleships should get -50% mining bonus just because they aren't flipping mining ships. The drone ships dont need a mining bonus because they arent meant to be mining anyway. Raptor is right, it is a caldari nerf. Since when is a race who is all about liberation and entertainment mining? The caldari are the industrial race. DUH. Your logic is flawed. Frigates aren't mining ships, but take the bantam. Cruisers aren't mining ships, but take the Osprey. I think CCP should make a mining BS.. :D

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