Tippia, you're doing it again, trying to define something already defined and well known in gaming.

PvE is player verse environment = interacting and fighting NPCs.
Not players itself (which is PvP).

When I'm questing in WoW it's pure PvE.

Ask to quit and get replaced by fresh meat

As a bittervet leaves, there's not many fresh meat to play anymore on the PC platform.

Where is that going to come from?

Fresh meat plays on consoles more each year.

EvE doesn't have a console port.

As a bittervet leaves, there's not many fresh meat to play anymore on the PC platform.

That's the reality in gaming across all genres.

And casual gaming is also the trend across all genres now. Gone are the days of 15hr raid nights 7 days a week because the pickings were slim. Today there's hundreds of MMOs to play. If publishers can get players to login 2hrs a night now, a game is doing good.

It's 2013, not 2004 anymore. Need to adapt to the changes in gaming itself.

Given your posting history, you certainly seem to be an expert on bitter.

im referring to is new people to go work on the game.

Well, im sorry to be such an illusion breaker, but not only this gameplay is not exculsive to EVE (in any open world pvp mmorpg you can be engaged while performing missions or tasks

Dear Mr. illusion-breaker, please list for me the MMO's that meet the following criteria:

1) More than 500 people logged in concurrently.
2) Open world free PvP anywhere in the game.
3) Actual risk of tangible loss upon death and the corollary promise of tangible gains upon successful PvP engagement.

I await your response with bated breath my illusion-breaking friend.

Star Wars Galaxies (closed last year)
Anarchy Online (still running on a 2001 engine and stagnated even more than EVE)
Age of Wushu (chinese martial arts open world pvp game recently released)

dont worry you can keep ur head shoved in ur rugged sandbox and watch people leave to play new upcoming titles like Star Citizen and others

Anarchy Online's PvP is absolutely not open world; there are tons of area restrictions, plus level restrictions, and limited loot.

Age of Wushu? A serious competitor to EVE.

Haha. Oh no! My ILLUSION IS BROKEN! My poor, precious illusion.

Sorry, mate. EVE is the only legitimate open-world PvP MMO option for serious players today.

To be brutally honest we'll be well shot of those that do leave.
It'll mean less idiotic threads and posts about how Eve would be so much better if CCP followed x example from y game, less cries of "it's so unfair" that people working together can do better than a solo player, less demands for SP that haven't been earned, less people bemoaning that people who've been playing for 10 years are so much better than newbies and less complaints about the bad people who prey on others. The only thing we will miss is the abundance of tears that those people create.

To be brutally honest we'll be well shot of those that do leave.

It'll mean less idiotic threads and posts about how Eve would be so much better if CCP followed x example from y game, less cries of "it's so unfair" that people working together can do better than a solo player, less demands for SP that haven't been earned, less people bemoaning that people who've been playing for 10 years are so much better than newbies and less complaints about the bad people who prey on others. The only thing we will miss is the abundance of tears that those people create.

Competitor to EVE? im sorry, did you write that requirement in your last post? I did not see it

Well, as much as your delluded fanboi mind would like to believe, EVE is not the only legitimate open-world pvp option, it is, like i wrote before, the only sci-fi space MMO option available, and this is the reason why new people continue to come and try it.

the only sci-fi space MMO option available

Nope it will mean more idiotic threads for the ppl arguing the opposite, the thing I would like to be able to miss is the increasing self righteous drivel that comes from the "we know better than you crowd in these forums."

P.S show me any game that wants to lose subscribers (especially a paid subscription game) (why hello mister ex EA man)

Tal

Nope it will mean more idiotic threads for the ppl arguing the opposite, the thing I would like to be able to miss is the increasing self righteous drivel that comes from the "we know better than you crowd in these forums."

That's easy, don't use the forums, nobody is forcing you to read the increasing self righteous drivel that comes from the "we know better than you crowd", who incidentally are, for the most part, the ones claiming x feature from y game would make Eve better.

I play Eve because of what it is, a no holds barred do unto others before they do unto you game, not because I want it to became yet another bland game with such moronic mechanics that it drives players to games like Eve, who then ruin it and demand it's dumbed down because it's too hard.

That's easy, don't use the forums, nobody is forcing you to read the increasing self righteous drivel that comes from the "we know better than you crowd", who incidentally are, for the most part, the ones claiming x feature from y game would make Eve better.

I play Eve because of what it is, a no holds barred do unto others before they do unto you game, not because I want it to became yet another bland game with such moronic mechanics that it drives players to games like Eve, who then ruin it and demand it's dumbed down because it's too hard.

What you don't seem to get is that ITS A SAND BOX

Star Wars Galaxies (closed in 2011 due to SOE loss of publishing rights from Lucas Arts)
Anarchy Online (still running on a 2001 engine and stagnated even more than EVE)
Age of Wushu (chinese martial arts open world pvp game recently released)

If you wanna go into the MMOFPS category u can also name titles like Planetside 2 etc

but dont let this bother you! you can keep ur head shoved in ur rugged sandbox and watch people leave to play new upcoming titles like Star Citizen and others

SWG certainly did not have a tangible death penalty for a vast majority of its existence.