i see problems and no solutions

go on, spin us a mechanic that doesn't get boring the 100th time you do it

i see problems and no solutions

go on, spin us a mechanic that doesnt get boring the 100th time you do it

Why the pve cant be fun?

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Mining, missions, anomalies, all boring activities. I didn't any incursions yet but they seem like more difficult missions and always the same.

You will say its a pvp game, ok. If no one mines, do missions or kill rats there will be no economy so no pvp.

Many people do the boring stuff to finance their pvp.

I've tried FW and it was fun, a pve/pvp mix. But there should be more things to do in high low and null sec.

Why the pve cant be fun?

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Because it was all made in 2003 and hasn't had a complete rebuild since. Image the rage from people if CCP actually tried to fix PVE and make it fun, everyone would complain they're "becoming wow" and that "this is a PVP game".

Mining, missions, anomalies, all boring activities. I didn't any incursions yet but they seem like more difficult missions and always the same.

You will say its a pvp game, ok. If no one mines, do missions or kill rats there will be no economy so no pvp.

Many people do the boring stuff to finance their pvp.

I've tried FW and it was fun, a pve/pvp mix. But there should be more things to do in high low and null sec.

Why the pve cant be fun?

Introduce sleeper incursions into k space. Randomize incursion ship types and numbers. Allow incursion rats to attack POSes in k space. Allow sleepers to attack POSes in w space.

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If you're finding missions boring, forget about the isk as in that's just a bonus. If the mission (combat) is boring then likelihood is that it's too easy for you, get a higher level mission or use a smaller ship.

Many people do boring stuff with alts to finance their PvP, but the main reason they find it boring is because they would rather be doing PvP.

Any PvE content will become boring after awhile, someone who can play many hours in a day will get bored a lot faster than someone that only plays a few hours a days.

It is a PvP game it has been as far back as I can remember (2005).

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Some additional mission parameters - such as when you can kill Scarlet before she gets away, extra timed events, or extra objectives - sprinkled in missions would also go a long way to make us more engaged when we land on grid. Right now all mission runners have a brain script they can run through to finish missions almost blindfolded.

Have you actually tried to make isk any other way?

sandbox dude.

saaaandbooooooxxxxx

Mining, missions, anomalies, all boring activities. I didn't any incursions yet but they seem like more difficult missions and always the same.

You will say its a pvp game, ok. If no one mines, do missions or kill rats there will be no economy so no pvp.

Many people do the boring stuff to finance their pvp.

I've tried FW and it was fun, a pve/pvp mix. But there should be more things to do in high low and null sec.

Why the pve cant be fun?

Dynamic content.

There are six (I think) different rat "races" in game. Using the current mission framework, randomize the rat race, ship numbers and types. If recovering an object, randomize which object and room it is contained in.

Introduce sleeper incursions into k space. Randomize incursion ship types and numbers. Allow incursion rats to attack POSes in k space. Allow sleepers to attack POSes in w space.

Remove ore belts and ore anoms completely. They now must be scanned. Increase the variation of ore spawning in all systems.

Make moon goo a finite commodity that respawns after 2-3 weeks after running out. Randomize the spawn forcing more low and null sec dynamics.

Randomize belt rats making belt chaining near impossible.

Add 20-30 more exploration sites with a massively randomized loot spectrum. Randomize whether sites get rats and the composition.

Add more systems that must be discovered, gates built to, planets and moons scanned for resources.

Make newly built gates public or private. Either way, charge a toll to recoup construction costs.

For those concerned about lore, make something up. The game is as weak on story driven lore as all the rest of the PvE.

What, specifically, would make pve fun for you?

In my opinion, the way to make PvE fun is to give it a purpose beyond providing a new-player economy. Something like Incursions could be implemented, but for individual systems. The more pirate bases (that show up as anomalies, and thus do not need to be scanned), the more dangerous the system becomes. For example, random pirate ambushes, pirates attacking stations, pirates sacking gates and initiating gatecamps. And of course, artificial inflation of market prices. If a system gets too pirate-infested, events could be held. Essentially, the Empires saying "There are too many pirates here! We'll give 50 mil to anyone who gets X amount of kills clearing out the system." It could end like Incursions do, as well, with one final massive assault on the main pirate base, which would drop much faction and deadspace goodies.

What do you all think of that?

Introduce sleeper incursions into k space. Randomize incursion ship types and numbers. Allow incursion rats to attack POSes in k space. Allow sleepers to attack POSes in w space.

Mandatory PVE is something we need less of in this game, not more.

Mining, missions, anomalies, all boring activities. I didn't any incursions yet but they seem like more difficult missions and always the same.

You will say its a pvp game, ok. If no one mines, do missions or kill rats there will be no economy so no pvp.

Many people do the boring stuff to finance their pvp.

I've tried FW and it was fun, a pve/pvp mix. But there should be more things to do in high low and null sec.

Why the pve cant be fun?

I wish devs could explore player created missions. We have a small taste of it with courier contracts. I think there could be a lot of potential in giving players the ability to create agent-style missions. Maybe even include pvp type player missions.

Mining, missions, anomalies, all boring activities. I didn't any incursions yet but they seem like more difficult missions and always the same.

You will say its a pvp game, ok. If no one mines, do missions or kill rats there will be no economy so no pvp.

Many people do the boring stuff to finance their pvp.

I've tried FW and it was fun, a pve/pvp mix. But there should be more things to do in high low and null sec.

Why the pve cant be fun?

i see problems and no solutions

go on, spin us a mechanic that doesnt get boring the 100th time you do it

Adding new missions after 10 years would be nice... just saying

Playing EVE as only PvE is like playing poker for play money. Sure, the rules are all the same and you get to see how the game works, but you're not REALLY playing.

Adding new missions after 10 years would be nice... just saying

Case in point. Why haven't they?

Because EVE is a PvP game. The mission is rival players and corporations, and those are changing every day.

Mining, missions, anomalies, all boring activities. I didn't any incursions yet but they seem like more difficult missions and always the same.

You will say its a pvp game, ok. If no one mines, do missions or kill rats there will be no economy so no pvp.

Many people do the boring stuff to finance their pvp.

I've tried FW and it was fun, a pve/pvp mix. But there should be more things to do in high low and null sec.

Why the pve cant be fun?

[quote=raven666wings]but is something that needs to be worked on if you want the game to not rot and die. /quote]

EVE is a decade old. If it "rots and dies" now it will still be a massive success and one of the longest-running MMO's in history.

But I'm sure the DEVs need advice from you on "creativity and vision."

i see problems and no solutions

go on, spin us a mechanic that doesnt get boring the 100th time you do it

they sure do, but im not a CCP Dev and i dont work for free, neither am i interested in joining such a corporation run with a fascist hierarchy and applying savage capitalist business practices with hires like this EA guy

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You still here, thought you would be off playing that perfect game GW2, instead of slagging this one off. Guess I was right GW2 isn't even close to perfect if you find the GD forums more entertaining.

applying savage capitalist business practices with hires like this EA guy

omg have u seen this thread? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=254876&p=1
have u looked at some of the comments made by the playerbase? check it out!

Sorry, I didn't realize "comments made by the playerbase" translate directly into implemented and released features in the game.

What kind of crazy new technology has permitted this advance? Has anyone told CCP or CERN?

I'll ask again, what "savage capitalist business practices" were you referring to in your post?

ib4 free to play and PC vs pay2win and crappy console network agreements discussion

Things that have actually happened, though?

Nothing? Absolutely nothing, right?

Things that have actually happened, though?

Nothing? Absolutely nothing, right?

You're just completely full of ****?

The inevitable results of a lifetime of abusing hard drugs.

Seriously, what in the hell are you even talking about? I'm not trolling, I honestly cannot tell what on earth you are trying to say. I have relatives grievously afflicted with Alzheimer's who make more sense.

*CCP damage control alt 3 detected *

lol damn u gotta work on being less obvious son

... what?

Damage control of what? This one pitiful thread?

And, what on earth are you trying to say? That you want more PVE in the game? That you hate CCP?

... what?

Damage control of what? This one pitiful thread?

And, what on earth are you trying to say? That you want more PVE in the game? That you hate CCP?

Dynamic content.

There are six (I think) different rat "races" in game. Using the current mission framework, randomize the rat race, ship numbers and types. If recovering an object, randomize which object and room it is contained in.

Introduce sleeper incursions into k space. Randomize incursion ship types and numbers. Allow incursion rats to attack POSes in k space. Allow sleepers to attack POSes in w space.

Remove ore belts and ore anoms completely. They now must be scanned. Increase the variation of ore spawning in all systems.

Make moon goo a finite commodity that respawns after 2-3 weeks after running out. Randomize the spawn forcing more low and null sec dynamics.

Randomize belt rats making belt chaining near impossible.

Add 20-30 more exploration sites with a massively randomized loot spectrum. Randomize whether sites get rats and the composition.

Add more systems that must be discovered, gates built to, planets and moons scanned for resources.

Make newly built gates public or private. Either way, charge a toll to recoup construction costs.

For those concerned about lore, make something up. The game is as weak on story driven lore as all the rest of the PvE.

To the OP: Because EvE is not a PvE Game.

Every mmo and close to every multiplayer game has grinding/farming which gets boring after some time.
Eve is no exception, so the thing you probably can do is do all of the above you mentioned to get isk to keep it less boring.

EVE just has more grinding than any other game I ever played, and I played a shitload of games

EVE doesn't actually have a lot of grind, in the traditional sense. Your character progression is static, as far as your skillpoints go. Being able to utilize them in the form of a ship requires money, of which one of the many methods to obtain is grinding. Certainly the most mindless in any case, which is why some of the more activity intense methods of wealth generation are overlooked by the playerbase at large.

Mining, missions, anomalies, all boring activities. I didn't any incursions yet but they seem like more difficult missions and always the same.

You will say its a pvp game, ok. If no one mines, do missions or kill rats there will be no economy so no pvp.

Many people do the boring stuff to finance their pvp.

I've tried FW and it was fun, a pve/pvp mix. But there should be more things to do in high low and null sec.

Why the pve cant be fun?

Just because you don't find them fun doesn't mean others feel the same.

In EvE NPCs are about as interesting and difficult as asteroids. In EQ on PvP servers spawns promoted PvP in EvE they dont.

Bingo.

PvE in EVE is bad because it's a small and rather unimportant part of the game, so it's not particularly worth putting a lot of effort into. It's more of an afterthought than anything, really.

PvE in EVE is bad because it's a small and rather unimportant part of the game, so it's not particularly worth putting a lot of effort into. It's more of an afterthought than anything, really.

With the exception of FW, all combat pilots (sans alts) need to do some form of PVE to earn ISK.

Major parts of the economy (including all faction/deadspace/officer/meta modules, ISK injection into the economy, tech 3, all LP store items...) are tied to PVE.

Actually it's so popular

Popular Gëá important.

Yeah, like WoW

Mining, missions, anomalies, all boring activities. I didn't any incursions yet but they seem like more difficult missions and always the same.

You will say its a pvp game, ok. If no one mines, do missions or kill rats there will be no economy so no pvp.

Many people do the boring stuff to finance their pvp.

I've tried FW and it was fun, a pve/pvp mix. But there should be more things to do in high low and null sec.

Why the pve cant be fun?

PvE in EVE is bad because it's a small and rather unimportant part of the game, so it's not particularly worth putting a lot of effort into. It's more of an afterthought than anything, really.

Simply remove PvE because as game design, it expired a long time ago. Bonus: We also get rid of scrubs who want the "WoW" experience and feel entitled to it because that is what WoW have.

If EvE was more PvE friendly, it wouldn't be sitting at 500k players today and over half are alt accounts.

If EvE had only PvP I dont think it would have survived at all. Also fyi trading manufacturering is also a PvE activity. Environment does not only mean NPC.

Nope they're PvP activities, you compete with other players for sales, manufacturing slots etc.

Citation needed.

Average player count online at any one time is circa 7-10% of subs, are you telling us that 50% of those numbers are alts?

If EvE had better PvE it would likely have more players based on comparison of other games which have both PvP and PvE servers. The PvE only servers were usually around 3 to 10 times more populated.

If EvE had only PvP I dont think it would have survived at all. Also fyi trading manufacturering is also a PvE activity. Environment does not only mean NPC.

lol if you want to try that logic than npcing / missions is PvP, you compete with other players for isk generation / module drops. PvP is player v player combat or subtefuge anything else is stretching definitions with stupid.

Because grinding hundreds of boars and sheeps is funnier, isnt it?

The above is an example why mouth breathers should never dictate how a game "should" be played, as they don't understand even the basics of MMO design.

No PvE, EvE dies. Pure and simple.

When WoW did their inhouse study of it's players (you know the largest pool in MMOs without counting alt accounts as people? You know EvE players, too?) 20% was playing solo as a choice. That's on par with other group oriented games.

CCP loses 20% of it's player base, put a fork in EvE it's over. EvE operates in a manner losing that many the game can't profit. Without a profit, games can't exist.

So, no, ending PvE isn't going to happen. SWG:NGE is an example what a game turns into when the market and crafting goes bye bye...it dies on the vine.

If EvE was more PvE friendly, it wouldn't be sitting at 500k players today and over half are alt accounts.

And your post is proof why a self-professed "analyst" who is making far too many assumptions, such as yourself, should really just shut up. No, seriously, you should. Pure and simple.

Incarna was the tipping point for many that cost CCP a substantial number of players because CCP adopted this "18 month" plan where they would not focus on fixing problems, like broken mechanics, and some of them had been around for years. So not only did the "18 month plan" and negligence of problems at hand cost CCP revenue but they also had to axe 20% of their work force.

It was so bad that the CSM had to be flown out to Iceland for a emergency meeting.

Incarna was shelved and CCP began focusing on the game because CCP realized and contrary to a statement made by CCP Oveur, polish DO sell better than new features. So here we are, over 500K subs and EVE is doing better than ever while in the meantime, WoW is hemorrhaging subscribers because of stagnation, developer hubris, broken economy and whatnot.

I was thinking a revamp of the actual npc convoys in High Sec. They Should move through the system (new places), not only stations. You as a pirate could attack them and take their loot, and other pilot side with the npc corporation and protect them. Something like Factional Warfare but in High Sec.

A new type of site could be a non pirate station with npc rats defending it. You could go and blow the station and get their loot, and maybe a pirate npc corporation could pay you isk for doing such activities.

The missions should be less scripted, more dynamic and random. The new behavior of the rats (switch targets) is a very good start.

No better content generators than players, turn PvE into PvP.

Have the missions set up in a way that 2 pilots are given missions with winning conditions conflicting one another's goals, similar in a fashion to APB for anyone who may have played that (one of the few good ideas in that terrible game). Ideally, missions would also be randomly generated and dynamic to further mix things up. How to implement this however, I've got no clue. And I doubt all the mission runners out there would be very sympathetic to such changes. You could probably up the reward payout to compensate, but I doubt it would make it that far before a mass ragequit of mission bears, and CCP would certainly not like the chances one would have to roll with that.

God forbid there be competition.

lol if you want to try that logic than npcing / missions is PvP, you compete with other players for isk generation / module drops.

PvP is player v player combat or subtefuge anything else is stretching definitions with stupid.

No PvE, EvE dies. Pure and simple.

And your post is proof why a self-professed "analyst" who is making far too many assumptions, such as yourself, should really just shut up. No, seriously, you should. Pure and simple.

Incarna was the tipping point for many that cost CCP a substantial number of players because CCP adopted this "18 month" plan where they would not focus on fixing problems, like broken mechanics, and some of them had been around for years. So not only did the "18 month plan" and negligence of problems at hand cost CCP revenue but they also had to axe 20% of their work force.

The looting part of missions is certainly PvP, as is the hunt for rats.

That's pure PvE -- fighting NPCs, looting from NPCs.

]Where does the opposition come from when you're looting?
And note that I said hunt for, not fight. Where does the opposition come from when you hunt for rats?

Tippia, you're doing it again, trying to define something already defined and well known in gaming.

PvE is player verse environment = interacting and fighting NPCs.
Not players itself (which is PvP).

When I'm questing in WoW it's pure PvE.

Ask to quit and get replaced by fresh meat

As a bittervet leaves, there's not many fresh meat to play anymore on the PC platform.

Where is that going to come from?

Fresh meat plays on consoles more each year.

EvE doesn't have a console port.

As a bittervet leaves, there's not many fresh meat to play anymore on the PC platform.

That's the reality in gaming across all genres.

And casual gaming is also the trend across all genres now. Gone are the days of 15hr raid nights 7 days a week because the pickings were slim. Today there's hundreds of MMOs to play. If publishers can get players to login 2hrs a night now, a game is doing good.

It's 2013, not 2004 anymore. Need to adapt to the changes in gaming itself.

Given your posting history, you certainly seem to be an expert on bitter.

im referring to is new people to go work on the game.

Well, im sorry to be such an illusion breaker, but not only this gameplay is not exculsive to EVE (in any open world pvp mmorpg you can be engaged while performing missions or tasks

Dear Mr. illusion-breaker, please list for me the MMO's that meet the following criteria:

1) More than 500 people logged in concurrently.
2) Open world free PvP anywhere in the game.
3) Actual risk of tangible loss upon death and the corollary promise of tangible gains upon successful PvP engagement.

I await your response with bated breath my illusion-breaking friend.

Star Wars Galaxies (closed last year)
Anarchy Online (still running on a 2001 engine and stagnated even more than EVE)
Age of Wushu (chinese martial arts open world pvp game recently released)

dont worry you can keep ur head shoved in ur rugged sandbox and watch people leave to play new upcoming titles like Star Citizen and others

Anarchy Online's PvP is absolutely not open world; there are tons of area restrictions, plus level restrictions, and limited loot.

Age of Wushu? A serious competitor to EVE.

Haha. Oh no! My ILLUSION IS BROKEN! My poor, precious illusion.

Sorry, mate. EVE is the only legitimate open-world PvP MMO option for serious players today.

To be brutally honest we'll be well shot of those that do leave.
It'll mean less idiotic threads and posts about how Eve would be so much better if CCP followed x example from y game, less cries of "it's so unfair" that people working together can do better than a solo player, less demands for SP that haven't been earned, less people bemoaning that people who've been playing for 10 years are so much better than newbies and less complaints about the bad people who prey on others. The only thing we will miss is the abundance of tears that those people create.

To be brutally honest we'll be well shot of those that do leave.

It'll mean less idiotic threads and posts about how Eve would be so much better if CCP followed x example from y game, less cries of "it's so unfair" that people working together can do better than a solo player, less demands for SP that haven't been earned, less people bemoaning that people who've been playing for 10 years are so much better than newbies and less complaints about the bad people who prey on others. The only thing we will miss is the abundance of tears that those people create.

Competitor to EVE? im sorry, did you write that requirement in your last post? I did not see it

Well, as much as your delluded fanboi mind would like to believe, EVE is not the only legitimate open-world pvp option, it is, like i wrote before, the only sci-fi space MMO option available, and this is the reason why new people continue to come and try it.

the only sci-fi space MMO option available

Nope it will mean more idiotic threads for the ppl arguing the opposite, the thing I would like to be able to miss is the increasing self righteous drivel that comes from the "we know better than you crowd in these forums."

P.S show me any game that wants to lose subscribers (especially a paid subscription game) (why hello mister ex EA man)

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Nope it will mean more idiotic threads for the ppl arguing the opposite, the thing I would like to be able to miss is the increasing self righteous drivel that comes from the "we know better than you crowd in these forums."

That's easy, don't use the forums, nobody is forcing you to read the increasing self righteous drivel that comes from the "we know better than you crowd", who incidentally are, for the most part, the ones claiming x feature from y game would make Eve better.

I play Eve because of what it is, a no holds barred do unto others before they do unto you game, not because I want it to became yet another bland game with such moronic mechanics that it drives players to games like Eve, who then ruin it and demand it's dumbed down because it's too hard.

That's easy, don't use the forums, nobody is forcing you to read the increasing self righteous drivel that comes from the "we know better than you crowd", who incidentally are, for the most part, the ones claiming x feature from y game would make Eve better.

I play Eve because of what it is, a no holds barred do unto others before they do unto you game, not because I want it to became yet another bland game with such moronic mechanics that it drives players to games like Eve, who then ruin it and demand it's dumbed down because it's too hard.

What you don't seem to get is that ITS A SAND BOX

Star Wars Galaxies (closed in 2011 due to SOE loss of publishing rights from Lucas Arts)
Anarchy Online (still running on a 2001 engine and stagnated even more than EVE)
Age of Wushu (chinese martial arts open world pvp game recently released)

If you wanna go into the MMOFPS category u can also name titles like Planetside 2 etc

but dont let this bother you! you can keep ur head shoved in ur rugged sandbox and watch people leave to play new upcoming titles like Star Citizen and others

SWG certainly did not have a tangible death penalty for a vast majority of its existence.

Where is that going to come from?

MMOs offer things other genres don't offer. Be it crafting systems, markets or wanting to just fly in space. To me PvP is the least I play them for, already have a FPS fix and would rather pay to play the epic crafter which FPS games don't offer.

If a niche game is about being niched, well respect the niches in it.

Where is that going to come from?The same place it has always come from: people who want to build something for themselves rather than be force-fed content. Since GÇ£hard gamesGÇ¥ is a trend in gaming right now, that's a good market right there, and EVE certainly caters to it with its no-guaranteed-success design philosophy.

Talking to people like you is the same thing as talking to a person with the cognitive ability of a 3 year old

just like him, you also did not understand that i was referring

You like running an alliance with your own systems, outposts, self made ships, weapons, equipment,etc

lol nope, neither him nor you understood what i wrote, and both of you made comments about the playerbase when i referred to the devs ... and you are answering a question that he made by not understanding what i meant, which is hilarious haha

neither him nor you understood what i wrote

you are answering a question that he made by not understanding what i meant

This would bring it into line with other eve related activities

Bringing the PvE aspects of EVE "into line" with other activities would be like bringing the FPS aspects of EVE in line, or the trading card aspects of EVE in line.

EVE is not a PvE game. If you want a PvE game, you have plenty of options. Go play one of those instead of trying to ruin EVE.

Since when new content ruins the game?.

Since when new content ruins the game?.

What a lot of "PVP" players don't understand is the more pve in this particular game brings more pvp opportunities. But yeah, continue with "EVE is PVP only".

It took me a whole 2 months to realize that I, as in me personally, was part of the EVE content. In other MMOs all I have ever been is just padding. If I am in game, I would be just a helping hand and at worse, a hindrance to a superior team. In EVE, every time I undock, someone is examining me as a possible target.

When it takes designers and engineers away from developing PvP content.

When players demand that it be "balanced" and offer similar rewards to PvP.

Go look at PvP in WoW and ask that question again. Except you will already know the answer.

EVE is a PvP game. If you want PvE content go play a PvE game or one of the watered-down mainstream PvE/PvP hybrids of which there are many.

You know, that could probably be turned into the EVE equivalent of the axiom about free services.

Instead of GÇ£if you're not paying for a product, you are the productGÇ¥, the axiom of EVE is something along the lines of GÇ£if you're not experiencing the content, you are the contentGÇ¥.

silly me, always think about sandbox as freedom to play the way i like.

Wake up, a lot of ppl are not interested in any pvp mechanics at all

A lot of ppl play Eve because it the only spaceship MMO around.

In a couple of years, there will be a couple of these.

In Wow PVP and PVE rewards are balanced and based on the activity on which u spent time on.

silly me, always think about sandbox as freedom to play the way i like.
So, if i want to just build spaceship or shot at red cross, i need to unsubscribe from Eve, because i don't play it in the way it was designed.

When it takes designers and engineers away from developing PvP content.

When players demand that it be "balanced" and offer similar rewards to PvP.

Go look at PvP in WoW and ask that question again. Except you will already know the answer.

EVE is a PvP game. If you want PvE content go play a PvE game or one of the watered-down mainstream PvE/PvP hybrids of which there are many.

When it takes designers and engineers away from developing PvP content.

When players demand that it be "balanced" and offer similar rewards to PvP.

Go look at PvP in WoW and ask that question again. Except you will already know the answer.

EVE is a PvP game. If you want PvE content go play a PvE game or one of the watered-down mainstream PvE/PvP hybrids of which there are many.

Missions, mining, and other activities in null and low sec is still PvP. Just because you're not directly and currently engaging other players doesn't mean you're not playing a PvP game. Watching local for enemies is part of PVP. Avoiding fights is part of PvP. PvP doesn't just mean "fighting."

EVE is a PvP game with some elements of PvE. PvE exists only to fund and fuel PvP, that should give you a small hint of which is more important.

And yes, there's a point at which too much PvE can ruin the game. It's supposed to be unenjoyable, boring, mind-numbing, etc. because it's meant to encourage people to go play the actual game - which is corporation and alliance-based PvP combat for sovereignty. PvE needs to remain boring so that only the most washed-out, shaking-in-their-boots ridiculous carebears will play EVE as exclusively a PvE game.

Also, as soon as PvE content reaches a certain point of saturation people start demanding "balance." "PvE rewards should be comparable to PvP!" and then all of a sudden we have NPCs flying titans in high sec and serving themselves up to "PvE corporations" on "PvE servers."

Ugh. No thanks. If you want a PvE game then EVERY OTHER MMO IN EXISTENCE might be for you. Please leave EVE alone

You mentioned like 1/5 of Pve. There is more variety of PvE in Eve than any other game I have heard of or played.

There is so much to do. Get a mission agent run some missions. Loot and salvage them. Build a pirate ship with the reprocessed loot. build faction mods with your LP. Go exploring and get some officer mods. Put the ship on the market and play market PvP. Learn daytrading, make money while watching Family Guy. Get a WH and make drugs and smuggle them. Ninja someones gas clouds for a couple hundred mil an hour. Sell faction ammo in Incursion systems.

PVE in a EVE is a farming tool, a tool to gather resources so you can play the real game, which is pvp. It's boring yes, but so are all forms of grinding, that is their purpose. Now you can spice your pve habits a bit, incursions are by no way like harder missions, if only for the fact you are on ts with 10-40 people, they are highly profitable too. You can also venture in wh space to do sites, or even null to do some pirate missions. Here is a tip if you are doing it solo, it probably isn't going to be fun (except mining which is always eye clawing boring).

Missions, mining, and other activities in null and low sec is still PvP. Just because you're not directly and currently engaging other players doesn't mean you're not playing a PvP game. Watching local for enemies is part of PVP. Avoiding fights is part of PvP. PvP doesn't just mean "fighting."

EVE is a PvP game with some elements of PvE. PvE exists only to fund and fuel PvP, that should give you a small hint of which is more important.

And yes, there's a point at which too much PvE can ruin the game. It's supposed to be unenjoyable, boring, mind-numbing, etc. because it's meant to encourage people to go play the actual game - which is corporation and alliance-based PvP combat for sovereignty. PvE needs to remain boring so that only the most washed-out, shaking-in-their-boots ridiculous carebears will play EVE as exclusively a PvE game.

Also, as soon as PvE content reaches a certain point of saturation people start demanding "balance." "PvE rewards should be comparable to PvP!" and then all of a sudden we have NPCs flying titans in high sec and serving themselves up to "PvE corporations" on "PvE servers."

Ugh. No thanks. If you want a PvE game then EVERY OTHER MMO IN EXISTENCE might be for you. Please leave EVE alone

There is no PVP in this game.

PVP means Player Vs Player which indicates, skill playing other players on equal terms, I.E. Tennis, Cards, Forum Bantering, etc.

you really need to stop saying this is a Player VS Player game

Ask them which games that they played before, and ask them what happened to them after they ruined it with very niche ideas?

Rhetoric seen here is seen in EQII and in WoW (especially on the PvP forums) and countless other game forums. Control freaks wanting to control how the game is developed THEIR way. If the game dies, they blame the publishers or some other easy victim -- casuals or PvE players.

Games are a working relationship with devs and players. Devs have their job to do and players offer feedback on their job, as they're paying for a service. When some players want to dictate content, they make the world smaller for everyone, including them. If devs fall for this feedback, they fall victim to the ever constant need for "make my toon better; make me fight harder; make me make gold easier" schemes. Innovation takes a back seat for "mememe" (and you bet the same players tell others they are the "self-entitled").

PvE isn't a problem, it's working as intended. Same as PvP.

The problem is when one group wants to overtake the other group. This was seen in Cata in WoW over raiders vs casuals vs PvPers. 10% of the overall population (even Blizzard came back confirming this) who crowd forums about their only real reason in playing a game, whining about how the game is destroyed because some PvPer got a buff (or vice versa). Meanwhile, casuals are looking for means to play the game without 15hr raid nights 7 days a week. PvPers are groaning because they can't pewpewpew healers (who are designed to heal) and decided to go James mode with Healers Have to Die addons. Then wonder where all the healers went, because being the #1 target isn't fun...and now THEY are dying like flies.

...Yeah, seen this stuff a-l-l before...

Focus should always on giving players the tools and freedom to create the content.

Missions, mining, and other activities in null and low sec is still PvP.

When it takes designers and engineers away from developing PvP content.

When players demand that it be "balanced" and offer similar rewards to PvP.

Go look at PvP in WoW and ask that question again. Except you will already know the answer.

EVE is a PvP game. If you want PvE content go play a PvE game or one of the watered-down mainstream PvE/PvP hybrids of which there are many.

Mining, missions, anomalies, all boring activities. I didn't any incursions yet but they seem like more difficult missions and always the same.

You will say its a pvp game, ok. If no one mines, do missions or kill rats there will be no economy so no pvp.

Many people do the boring stuff to finance their pvp.

I've tried FW and it was fun, a pve/pvp mix. But there should be more things to do in high low and null sec.

Why the pve cant be fun?

The PVe is bad because the PVP is good.

But exploration can be exciting nonetheless when you don't know what to expect.


PVP by itself can pay off depending on two things:

1. How expensive you fly.
2. Whether or not you suffer from stupid ship loss syndrome.



First, if you don't fly super expensive, a little ISK can go a long way. If you run say 1 level 4 mission, that can amount to 5 or 6 destroyers fit to to tune of 5-6M ISK each. If you just have to have all T2 "everything" with T2 Rigs and/or faction/pirate hulls, that's going to cost you. I see a lot of people getting into the "bigger gun" trap.

Second, how do you lose ships? I have seen a lot of people complain about losing ships in PVP a lot, even in fleet, then having to grind ISK to finance the PVP. While it's said that you should never fly what you cannot replace (see item 1 for the caveat), how often do you have to replace? If you find yourself in constant attrition warfare where ship loss is the outcome just about every time, you have to rethink how you fly or who you are flying for (and if they have at least a T1 ship replacement program).

For example, when a crazy group of highsec carebears decided to start roaming in nullsec, I supplied them with a large number of T1 frigates and destroyers expecting them to die a lot.

Die they did, for a few weeks, but as their skills and actual experience increased, and as they developed tactics for more staying power (not jumping into being outnumbered and a better feel of when to run off) , they stopped losing ships. As a result, there are still scores of these T1 hulls laying around.

Another example I can give is, how on one day I came across a faction frigate wreck in nullsec that had a deadspace module that was worth 30 million ISK. That's roughly what one may get from one of the mid-level L4 missions. As I mentioned before, if I had to fly "T2 everything" down to the rigs, this lucky find would be a drop in the bucket. Most T2 frigate hulls cost less than that 30M ISK module.

Exploration is probably the best way to finance PVP. Lots of nullsec is empty, even lowsec too. If you want to spank and gank but don't want to grind for it, bring some core probes on your roam and give a little check of the system when you find an empty one. You might hit a site and pull in 10s of millions of ISK in less than half an hour. If you don't fly too expensive and are good at keeping ships alive, you could probably finance PVP with one good exploration find a week.

By its nature, the PvE content wears thin while the PvP does not. And PvE in Eve is limited in that it must be done in spaceships. Hard to tell immersive stories about spaceships.

i rather play some indie games than CCP antibot exploration minigame.

as you said some people do PVE just to fund their PVP.

Maybe it is not ment to be forever grinding game after all, personally i think EVE is more social game than anything else.

I think it is just good that PVE is boring so it is punishment for you to lose too much ships.

A true hardcore PVP game. Thats all.

I challange anyone to name an MMO with PVE that stays fun and challanging after several years.

Simply remove PvE because as game design, it expired a long time ago. Bonus: We also get rid of scrubs who want the "WoW" experience and feel entitled to it because that is what WoW have.

Nope they're PvP activities, you compete with other players for sales, manufacturing slots etc.

Everquest 1

You know nothing of the peaceful Sleeper people!

Anyway, the PVE sucks because it's not at all the aspect of the game the developers intended to showcase and emphasize, the emergent, PVP, sandboxy-stuff is. If they start putting a lot of development into PVE, people will start getting the idea that it's the point of the game, when it's not.

It also kind of has to suck so ISK will have value and victory/loss have meaning. When I destroy a Code-violator's mackinaw, I want the thought of grinding to replace it to crush his soul. I don't want him to think: "Oh, goodie! I get to run some more awesome missions in Highsec and maybe strike it rich since the loot tables have all been turned upside down."

but you will hardly be able to do that without someone mining.

Its still alive?

The next idea is one about player vs player missions. This would be in essence an arena

Objectives like - Defend this structure for as long as you can

Sounds like you want sov warfare, but without the inconvenient part where people bring in more people than you