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Sam Ruger Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2013.07.13 21:59:00 - [1] - Quote Could someone either explain to me the exact nature of the hostility between the 2 main fleets of Shield Tanked incursion groups. I know one got the word shiny in their name and I cant remember the others name. Does this same animosity exist in the armor tanked fleets?
Donbe Scurred University of Caille Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.07.13 22:02:00 - [2] - Quote Sam Ruger wrote: Could someone either explain to me the exact nature of the hostility between the 2 main fleets of Shield Tanked incursion groups. I know one got the word shiny in their name and I cant remember the others name. Does this same animosity exist in the armor tanked fleets? Exact Nature: Competition+Greed=Animosity
Jim Era 6862	Posted - 2013.07.13 22:05:00 - [3] - Quote Why can't we be friends?
Sam Ruger Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2013.07.13 22:10:00 - [4] - Quote It was more that it just seems that I hear chatter about the shield side then the armor.
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 442	Posted - 2013.07.13 22:23:00 - [5] - Quote Donbe Scurred wrote: Exact Nature: Competition+Greed=Animosity/Hostility Welcome to the PvE world and all the dramas that come with it...especially the loot dramas and pimping. "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 2908	Posted - 2013.07.13 22:23:00 - [6] - Quote INB4AAW /rescinded The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Sam Ruger Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2013.07.13 22:37:00 - [7] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: INB4AAW /rescinded Okay what the hell does INB4AAW mean. I will admit to not knowing crap about this game. I just joined it to fly space ship and blow crap up.
Falin Whalen GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 364	Posted - 2013.07.13 22:38:00 - [8] - Quote Why can't we be friends? You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2010	Posted - 2013.07.13 22:42:00 - [9] - Quote Highsec + autism. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge **.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006 ~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever.
Tasha Saisima State War Academy Caldari State 44	Posted - 2013.07.13 22:48:00 - [10] - Quote Sam Ruger wrote: Could someone either explain to me the exact nature of the hostility between the 2 main fleets of Shield Tanked incursion groups. I know one got the word shiny in their name and I cant remember the others name. Does this same animosity exist in the armor tanked fleets? isn, wtm and tvp like to engage in friendly contests. DIN can't win contests so instead of improving, they kill moms in a temper tantrum thats basically it
Sam Ruger Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 12	Posted - 2013.07.13 23:11:00 - [11] - Quote Tasha Saisima wrote: Sam Ruger wrote: Could someone either explain to me the exact nature of the hostility between the 2 main fleets of Shield Tanked incursion groups. I know one got the word shiny in their name and I cant remember the others name. Does this same animosity exist in the armor tanked fleets? isn, wtm and tvp like to engage in friendly contests. DIN can't win contests so instead of improving, they kill moms in a temper tantrum thats basically it Thank you
Emma Yobibit Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2013.07.14 04:15:00 - [12] - Quote Falin Whalen wrote: Why can't we be friends? YOU MADE ME US BING! NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooo!!
Jonah Gravenstein Balius and Xanthus Traditional Gunsmiths 10548	Posted - 2013.07.14 04:25:00 - [13] - Quote Sam Ruger wrote: Doc Fury wrote: INB4AAW /rescinded Okay what the hell does INB4AAW mean. I will admit to not knowing crap about this game. I just joined it to fly space ship and blow crap up. INB4AAW is In Before Ace About WoW, Ace's posts are so predictable they're becoming a meme, although for once the WoW reference is missing. "Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad."
Malcolm Shinhwa Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth 95	Posted - 2013.07.14 04:35:00 - [14] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Sam Ruger wrote: Doc Fury wrote: INB4AAW /rescinded Okay what the hell does INB4AAW mean. I will admit to not knowing crap about this game. I just joined it to fly space ship and blow crap up. INB4AAW is In Before Ace About WoW, Ace's posts are so predictable they're becoming a meme, although for once the WoW reference is missing. Wait for it.... I have 5 different chars that I play. This may be my main, or maybe not. I have no idea.
baltec1 Bat Country 7277	Posted - 2013.07.14 05:14:00 - [15] - Quote Greed.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 8417	Posted - 2013.07.14 06:52:00 - [16] - Quote Idiocy Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 3079	Posted - 2013.07.14 07:12:00 - [17] - Quote Are the incursioners getting elitist again? It was fun taking out those motherships so they couldn't farm the incursion for a week.
Archibald Thistlewaite III 113	Posted - 2013.07.14 07:16:00 - [18] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Donbe Scurred wrote: Exact Nature: Competition+Greed=Animosity/Hostility Welcome to the PvE world and all the dramas that come with it...especially the loot dramas and pimping. Welcome to the PvP part of running Incursions, where all the drama and content is created.
Mina Sebiestar Mactabilis Simplex Cursus 386	Posted - 2013.07.14 07:35:00 - [19] - Quote There are 3 types (worth mentioning) of sites in incursions HQ ze best everybody and their grandma want to run those most isk and lp AS not to go deep here for about same amount of time you will be payed less than HQ and serving half pilots VG steady and boring sites lowest lp isk is good Incursion mechanic allow and support contesting by design that means that who ever is fittest/capable/experienced of contesting fleets will take away all isk/lp reward and loosing party will get nothing. Further more loosing fleet will waste time while win fleet will improve ISK/h ratio. There are few things that can be done in this situation i will mention few. Contest again improve be better win contests. Go to another incursion or downgrade to as/vg cry fault demand that your kitchen sink fleet be left alone to farm when ever because you as farming carebear are entitled to Or start killing mother ship(closing inc) every time your fleet is reminded this is eve and hand holding will get you nowhere. http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg http://i.imgur.com/KTjFEt6.jpg I dont always fly stabber but when i do...
Joan Greywind Temnava Legion No Holes Barred 48	Posted - 2013.07.14 07:40:00 - [20] - Quote There are a couple of main groups that run HQ with shield ships: Disclaimer: I am a little biased towards 1 of these groups, but I will try to be as objective as possible (lies already :P) ISN or Incursion Shiny network: They currently have the highest standards for ship fittings, and are generally the best at doing incrusions (winning most contests and fastest sites with minimal losses). Although they do have higher standards than other communities they aren't elitist, and will accept any pilot with the right fittings and skills and teach them how to do incursions. Policy: Contest whenever they can (more iskies and fun) and never kill the last mom in highsec. TVP: They have the largest numbers of pilots, due mainly to their low fitting standards. They are a good starting ground if you are just starting incursion and dont have the skills, iskies to fly a more expensive ship. They fly shiny ships but it mostly gets watered down by the other less than optimal ships they fly with. All in all a healthy community, albeit bloated leadership and sometimes loss in the sense of direction. They also suffer from false "propaganda' in their channels. Policy: Depends on the FC currently running really, so can range from contesting a fleet they have a chance of beating, to outright killing the mom when they lose one. DIN Flotten: A german multiboxer community, where a fleet of 40 ships is usually piloted with less than 20 people. They usually fly shiny, but most of the members multibox so they are now regarded as the worst Incursion community (efficiency wise) losing almost all of their contests. Some pilots having 10 pilots in a fleet of 40 ships at any one time. They fit the "angry german" stereotype, at least at the the leader ship level. Sadly they have the worst form of false "propaganda" relying on outright (albeit hilarious) lies to save face, and that is made that much easier with the language barrier (mostly German speaking community). Policy: Multiboxers get in fleet before real pilot on the queue, and kill every mom in highsec if we get contested even once. Extra Quotes by DIN Flotten: "ISN made them do the mom", "this is our incrusion", "It's ok that I lost my 5b mach, I have 78 others" WTM: it's a relatively new incursion community that to my limited knowledge is an offshoot of either TVP or DIN, (or both). Efficiency wise they aren't that bad and run relatively shiny fleets. Policies: Unknown to me There are other notable incursion communities, armor (they mostly keep to themselves and don't run as much the shield fleet (less efficient especially in hqs). You also have some form of a Russian community that sporadically shows up, but they also keep mostly to themselves. So there you have it, if you want more information on "the drama' that is currently happening I will also explain that. The information may not be 100% accurate, but is a good explanation on the Incursion communities to my knowledge.
Zappity Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 184	Posted - 2013.07.14 11:37:00 - [21] - Quote 600b a month? Why not declare war on each other and, um, fight? Hooray, I'm l33t! -á(Kil2: "The higher their ship losses...the better they're going to be.")
Letzlin Schaneger The Scope Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2013.07.14 13:21:00 - [22] - Quote Zappity wrote: 600b a month? Why not declare war on each other and, um, fight? Few of these people are in the same corp or are just in NPC corps. Also highsec bears.
Vince Snetterton 303	Posted - 2013.07.14 14:53:00 - [23] - Quote People here have phrased the wiping out of incursion mom's as the "nuclear option" perpetrated by one shield group upset that they can't compete with iSN. That is of course, a lie. I have parked chars off the mom acc gate and seem oh so many ISN ships heading into to wipe out mom's. The standard practice that has evolved seems to be for a euro-TZ based group to farm it hard for a day, and when their prime time is done, they kill the mom wiping out any income generation for any other TZ heavy group. This denial of potential income is no different than an ice interdiction, or Hulkageddon, or freighter ganking, where one group effectively wipes out another group (or groups), ability to make ISK. It is griefing. The only difference in this case is there is no commodity to speculate on prior to the griefing campaign starting. I created a thread in the mission sub forums detailing the math on what is required to stop the griefers. Frankly, I don't think the anger and frustration level is high enough amongst the groups being attacked to mount a counter to the griefers. But as time goes on, I am hopeful that it reaches that threshold.
Falin Whalen GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 366	Posted - 2013.07.14 15:51:00 - [24] - Quote Emma Yobibit wrote: Falin Whalen wrote: Why can't we be friends? YOU MADE ME US BING! NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooo!! HE HE HE! [/evil laughter] Sorry was on work PC, and ment to post the link to this. You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons.
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1387	Posted - 2013.07.14 15:59:00 - [25] - Quote Sam Ruger wrote: Could someone either explain to me the exact nature of the hostility between the 2 main fleets of Shield Tanked incursion groups. I know one got the word shiny in their name and I cant remember the others name. Does this same animosity exist in the armor tanked fleets? You ask that like anyone outside those two fleets give a flying fig... "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Falin Whalen GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 366	Posted - 2013.07.14 16:05:00 - [26] - Quote Ginger Barbarella wrote: Sam Ruger wrote: Could someone either explain to me the exact nature of the hostility between the 2 main fleets of Shield Tanked incursion groups. I know one got the word shiny in their name and I cant remember the others name. Does this same animosity exist in the armor tanked fleets? You ask that like anyone outside those two fleets give a flying fig... He wants to know which one is the shiniest, so he can join it with his bling boat and make mad ISKies for his toonies. [Shh! Don't tell anyone.] You've got to remember that these are just simple miners. These are people of the land. The common clay of New Eden. You know... morons.
Lipbite Express Hauler 706	Posted - 2013.07.14 17:38:00 - [27] - Quote Letzlin Schaneger wrote: [quote=Zappity]Also highsec bears. Just few minutes ago I had conversation with one of the "highsec bears" whos alt (more like main) pilot is in Wildly Inappropriate / Goonswarm. Couple days ago I met old TVP logi commander - he's in Nulli Secunda now. I believe at least half of pilots use incursions to sponsor their low/null PvP activities.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4354	Posted - 2013.07.14 17:41:00 - [28] - Quote I've not done Incursions, I thought that when the mom was killed another Incursion area started up. Is the problem that this occurs after downtime and other groups have to wait? Also, what do the locals think of Incursion groups farming the Incursions and keeping the local space screwed up for extended periods of time so they can be milked for the Incursion fleets profit? To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Ace Uoweme Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 449	Posted - 2013.07.14 18:19:00 - [29] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: Also, what do the locals think of Incursion groups farming the Incursions and keeping the local space screwed up for extended periods of time so they can be milked for the Incursion fleets profit? No different than the PvPers gatecamping in high-sec....at least it has a purpose, and looks 10x better! "In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~George Orwell
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 4354	Posted - 2013.07.14 18:27:00 - [30] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: Also, what do the locals think of Incursion groups farming the Incursions and keeping the local space screwed up for extended periods of time so they can be milked for the Incursion fleets profit? No different than the PvPers gatecamping in high-sec....at least it has a purpose, and looks 10x better! But PVP players camping a gate in High sec are there for one of two reasons. 1: They are at war, so their impact on other inhabitants is nil. 2: They are looking for high value targets to suicide gank, which only impacts those with foolishly high value cargo on board. In neither case is virtually every aspect of the system disrupted as it is when an Incursion is present. It would seem to me that Incursion fleets milk these Incursions at the expense of the local inhabitants. Perhaps that's why the bulk of this activity is in high sec, as the inhabitants are less likely to remove the capitalistic blight that an Incursion Fleet actually is. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.

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