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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.12.09 21:59:00 -
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Seems to cause more problems than its worth tbh. It ruins the eve font and now
"Due to Unicode changes, a maximum character limit of 3,500 characters has been added to killmails. This is to prevent errors and lack of receipt of a killmail when a mails length exceeded the limit. "
:/
Say bye bye to items destroyed and more than certain amounts of people people on mails :/
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:17:00 -
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...No ****.
Lots of repeated words and double spaces I bet are still there too.
(The UI and supporting features take a step back every patch it seems)
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Rells
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:20:00 -
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So what?
Do you PvP for a reason or just to find some part of your anatomy to measure against someone else?
◄ I must not fear.
◄ Fear is the mind-killer.
◄ Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration.
◄ -- Paul Atreides
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:20:00 -
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Sorry, but why should I care again ?
Ok, so you can't calculate the damage done to cargo ro fitted mods exactly anymore... Nor can you have a consistently accurate killboard ranking either.
Sorry, only see good sides to this personally, especially the alst bit.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:24:00 -
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Then remove killmails.
Because bluntly if the game lies, the information's less than worthless and it's a waste of space. No killmails, EVER. And no mails to the player to inform him things like skills loss. After all, he should be able to work it out, right?
YES THAT WAS SARCASM.
Or you could realise that some of us LIKE killmails? If you don't want em, make an option for that. Don't nerf the UI and supporting features for the rest of us with your whining.
"Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Rells
Kill mails are a hack. If you want to track kill standings then CCP should just make an official kill board and not futz around with generated mails.
Personally I couldnt care less about them.
Then why did you whine that they should be nerfed?
"Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |
Rells
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:27:00 -
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Kill mails are a hack. If you want to track kill standings then CCP should just make an official kill board and not futz around with generated mails.
Personally I couldnt care less about them.
◄ I must not fear.
◄ Fear is the mind-killer.
◄ Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration.
◄ -- Paul Atreides
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:27:00 -
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Hey, dont be angry :p
What I mean is that in some cases (/me looks at some BoB pilots), the eagerness to get on the killmail is clouding better judgement.
I'm glad that this change undoes some of that by simply making killboard ranking less valid.
I know, some people really live for it, but tbh, I'm getting pretty damn annoyed by the killmail-focused play these days.
Just my opinion, no need to get angry over it.
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:29:00 -
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If you don't care, don't post.
This is stupid IMO.
Originally by: Nyphur
I'm hungry and naked. That answer your question?
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Rells
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Rells
Kill mails are a hack. If you want to track kill standings then CCP should just make an official kill board and not futz around with generated mails.
Personally I couldnt care less about them.
Then why did you whine that they should be nerfed?
Please remind me where exactly I whined about kill mails being nerfed. I dont seem to see it in this post or any other post ive ever made.
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Hey, dont be angry :p
What I mean is that in some cases (/me looks at some BoB pilots), the eagerness to get on the killmail is clouding better judgement.
I'm glad that this change undoes some of that by simply making killboard ranking less valid.
I know, some people really live for it, but tbh, I'm getting pretty damn annoyed by the killmail-focused play these days.
Just my opinion, no need to get angry over it.
Im with you on this. People get overawed by kill mails and fail to work as a team.
◄ I must not fear.
◄ Fear is the mind-killer.
◄ Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration.
◄ -- Paul Atreides
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Rells
Kill mails are a hack. If you want to track kill standings then CCP should just make an official kill board and not futz around with generated mails.
Personally I couldnt care less about them.
Then why did you whine that they should be nerfed?
Please remind me where exactly I whined about kill mails being nerfed. I dont seem to see it in this post or any other post ive ever made.
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Hey, dont be angry :p
What I mean is that in some cases (/me looks at some BoB pilots), the eagerness to get on the killmail is clouding better judgement.
I'm glad that this change undoes some of that by simply making killboard ranking less valid.
I know, some people really live for it, but tbh, I'm getting pretty damn annoyed by the killmail-focused play these days.
Just my opinion, no need to get angry over it.
Im with you on this. People get overawed by kill mails and fail to work as a team.
Its not really about not being on the mail. Its the interest to see what was fitted.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:32:00 -
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That's darwinism in Eve, Rod.
I don't personally have a problem with it.
I do have problems with truncated evemails which could cause issues, besides killboards. For example, 21 pilots shoot me. 20 -10, and 1 +10. The +10 didn't do much damage, and isn't on the mail. He denies he did it. Oops, proof?
Making killboards less valid will also lead, bluntly, to more whining and name calling on the forums and in-game. I DON'T see how that helps - quite the opposite.
I find NERFS to the UI and supporting features like this which will cause a lot of grief to some players annoying, and part of the general issue with the poor UI of Eve.
I would now, bluntly, like a CCP-made killboard in the wake of this change. Something I wasn't in support of before.
"Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |
Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:34:00 -
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Rells, does
"Do you PvP for a reason or just to find some part of your anatomy to measure against someone else?
look familiar. Because it's up this thread. So, want to deny it again?
Originally by: Rells
Im with you on this. People get overawed by kill mails and fail to work as a team.
How is this a problem? It's quite the opposite. PLAYER SKILL.
And, bluntly, people WILL get angry about being left off killmails. Especially the small ship pilots. It's another huge slap directly in our faces.
"Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |
Azuriel Talloth
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:47:00 -
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What a crappy change.
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TFer Atvar
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:53:00 -
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CCP, if this is true, I'd suggest some creative editing of Killmails to maximize that 3,500 characters. While that might be enough for standard 1v1 fights between cruisers and the like, it certainly won't be enough if someone kills a freighter full of assorted goods or if someone's fighting in a fleet action, and multiple people hit the killed ship.
Therefore, I'd suggest several editing measures to trim character counts.
1. Remove corporation names from killmails. Since you have names, you can look them up if, by chance, you're in a massive alliance fleet battle and don't know who you've killed. That's about the only circumstance I can think of when you might need to know the corp.
2. Remove high/mid/low slot distinction. If you're reading a killmail, you're experienced to know that a Heavy Neutron Blaster I doesn't go in a low slot. Keep the Fitted/Cargo distinction, but there's no reason to have that high/mid/low designation.
3. Remove the quantity line in destroyed items. Replace it with a number in parentheses before the item name. That will replace a 13 character line with four characters on the same line as existing text.
4. Eliminate whitespace. Currently, there's a blank line between each destroyed item. I suggest combining cargo and fitted items into paragraphs that don't have whitespace between them. You'd have a single blank line between the list of destroyed cargo and destroyed fitted items, but that's it. For longer killmails, you could save 20+ characters.
All these are pretty simple changes, and on their own don't change that much, but in longer mails, they might combined enable another killer to be inserted into the mail. I, for one, want to keep the list of destroyed items, and hopefully through a little creative editing, it might be possible to do so.
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:59:00 -
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If you think that kill-counts are important, then you've missed the point of this game. Kill mails were a bad idea in the first place, and kill-boards are even worse.
In Eve, kills != success
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Selena 001
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:59:00 -
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If you can fill a killamil with more than 3500 letters then you dont deserve one... cause that means you've ganked some poor bastard with 10 ships... 
(10 is just a made up number... I have better things to be doing than working out just how many ships you need to fill a killmail)
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.12.09 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Selena 001
If you can fill a killamil with more than 3500 letters then you dont deserve one... cause that means you've ganked some poor bastard with 10 ships...
(10 is just a made up number... I have better things to be doing than working out just how many ships you need to fill a killmail)
Fleet fights?
And yes, I LOVE to see peoples setups. It's either a good lesson or a good giggle.
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Saeris Tal'Urduar
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Posted - 2005.12.09 23:02:00 -
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Thats gonna suck for an alliance that pays it Pvpr's based on kills, like ASCN.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.12.09 23:10:00 -
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And mercs
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Jezala
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Posted - 2005.12.09 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Aitrus
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If you think that kill-counts are important, then you've missed the point of this game. Kill mails were a bad idea in the first place, and kill-boards are even worse.
In Eve, kills != success
But inflicting economic loss = success
and right now kill mails do a good job of allowing the victor to guage how much economic damage has been inflicted upon the victim.
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2005.12.09 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jezala
Originally by: Aitrus
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If you think that kill-counts are important, then you've missed the point of this game. Kill mails were a bad idea in the first place, and kill-boards are even worse.
In Eve, kills != success
But inflicting economic loss = success
and right now kill mails do a good job of allowing the victor to guage how much economic damage has been inflicted upon the victim.
But kills do not always equate to significant economic loss. Especially if your opponent has a solid industrial/economic backbone. Disrupting that is much more effective than killing a bunch of insured ships.
killing lots of stuff won't win you a war. Killing the RIGHT stuff will. People obsessed with killboards tend to forget this rather important difference.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.12.09 23:33:00 -
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Fact remains, killmails are useful tools. They're being nerfed.
This is not good.
"Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |
Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2005.12.09 23:34:00 -
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I enjoy killboards. Good to learn something about fittings. I'll miss it. 
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Rendill
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Posted - 2005.12.09 23:40:00 -
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In-game automatic killboards and rankings in Kali render this argument moot.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.12.09 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Rendill
In-game automatic killboards and rankings in Kali render this argument moot.
Does this look like Kali to you? Looks like RMR to me.
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2005.12.09 23:57:00 -
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Quote:
In-game automatic killboards and rankings in Kali render this argument moot.
Kali is a long way of so in the interim the argument is far from moot.
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Kage Getsu
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Posted - 2005.12.10 00:24:00 -
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An official killboard would be hot. It would solve a lot of the bickering and arguing over who killed who.
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2005.12.10 00:49:00 -
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Removing the items destroyed part of killmails will just about remove the only point of killboards as a useful tool. They will become the straightforward e-peen measurement tool they have always threatened to be. Using killboards as a source of intelligence on your enemies' fittings etc was about the only saving grace of the things. Without that, they will just be automatic forum smack and locked thread generators.
So, I'm generally hoping that there are some alternatives to removing the useful details from the killmails. I don't personally need to know whether I've been killed or I've killed someone - me or them sitting in a pod usually gives me a pretty big clue, but I do like to know what they used to kill me, and what they had on their ship when I killed them.
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Evil Edna
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Posted - 2005.12.10 02:03:00 -
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gonna suck for blobbers and mass gankers then isnt it lolz not all getting on the mail
you know who you are 
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