Terrible Powergrid
Which Translates into terrible DPS and range
Which turns into terrible completion time
Which = terrible isk/hr

I'm pretty sure you can run a site faster with a machariel and coming back in a noctis; or just blitzing sites and skipping salvage.

Literally the only advantage the Vargur has is the tractor beam range and an unnecessary boost to tank. It can tank C4 sleeper sites but so can a machariel, and it can't even fit the 1400s needed to DPS them, or even a smartbomb.

Just... why CCP, why is the powergrid sooooooo terrible... It should be able to fit 1400s and a LARGE shield booster with at most 1 faction reactor control unit.

This is my Vargur and yes, I like to be semi-afk or wander off to something else
That is why it's capstable and you don't have to worry about aggroing this and that.
Oh, and with a set of Crystals you REALLY don't have to worry about being too drunk

[Vargur, Missions]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Cap Recharger II

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Projectile Ambit Extension I
Large Projectile Burst Aerator II

It is pretty fail as a t2 top of the line boat considering that rest of marauders are not plagued with joke of a powergrid, hopefully CCP will do something about marauders in this century.

Falloff, bitches. Rat specific tank. Aggroing things properly. ABing away from your DPS. Drones to take out frigs.

You are all bitching because you overtank your Vargurs with Xl bosters because you are sissies.

Or it could just be because fitting an XL booster lets them free up another mid slot for something more useful than a tank mod.

Varg is only good as ov3rtank3d mission runner ir will never out dps out run or out perform machariel and it cant use 1400mm artys without making it a joke fit.

It is pretty fail as a t2 top of the line boat considering that rest of marauders are not plagued with joke of a powergrid, hopefully CCP will do something about marauders in this century.

Varg is only good as ov3rtank3d mission runner ir will never out dps out run or out perform machariel and it cant use 1400mm artys without making it a joke fit.

It is pretty fail as a t2 top of the line boat considering that rest of marauders are not plagued with joke of a powergrid, hopefully CCP will do something about marauders in this century.

Well, pirate battleships are supposed to be top-DPS boats so your argument is invalid.

And in missions, 1400 mms are the joke to begin with. I did fly Machariel and don't remember a single mission when artillery performed better than autocannons. Ammo saving was obviously better, but ISK/hr - never.

In this regard the argument about fielding 4 sentries is also a moot, unless someone wants to say they use both AC-s and sentries...

And lastly, from completness point of view it's indeed strange that this ship can't use long range guns of its class. But if you think it hurts your mission performance then you're doing them wrong. Even if it was indeed a case, this crippled Vargur still performs better than fully pimped Vindicator. (OK, on most missions, because nothing beats blasters in Damsel in Distress)

[....] there are army of ships that will out dps vargur in missions

So as i see it varg in nothing more than over tanked pigeon holed ship

it pg is serious issue not having option to fit 1400mm is nothing more than pathetic.

Name them please. A single Machariel does not make an "army". For sure Vindicator, Kronos nor Dominix do not belong to this list.


If you overtank your Varg then it is your problem and it is you doing it wrong.


I agreed: not being able to fit 1400mms is an issue with regard to being able to fit 1400mms. In respect to being able to competently finish the mission, the issue is non existent.

Strawman ---> this way

My point has been always the same: Vargur is one of the best performing missioning ships of those I used so far. Not being able to fit artillery is strange but is not a problem.

PWG is an issue if you god forbid try to do something different than shooting tier 1 rats.

And for a T2 battleship it does suck when pirate AND faction ship are able to out class it

It literally don't bring anything to table worth mentioning or worth invested skill points in marauders that will make you BETTER mission runner than using some other ships.

EFT warrioring looks fun

Tru dat. Though it gets old very fast.

No, really. If you want to make me convinced, convince me by actual performance figures. This is not the first such dispute I've been to and probably not the last and the thing is, I don't give a damn about stats analysis. I only care about what really matters: how a ship performs in game. You still didn't make your case on these terms.

A mach outperforms a vargur

10/10 angels get eaten with mach

A mach outperforms a vargur,

I would hazard to say most of the navy battleships would also outperform the vargur in level 4s. Would also say Dominix (regular T1) would outperform.