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CrimsonSky
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Posted - 2005.12.10 21:21:00 -
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The past few weeks I've been attempting to be an anti-pirate in an area near me, but I haven't had much success yet. I've got pretty used to using the scanner to quickly find where the pirates are, but catching them seems very difficult.
It's usually just one pirate against me, and the problem isn't warp core stabs or anything, it's that they all seem to just go to safespots as soon as they realize someone is actually going to fight back. So far the only pirate I've been able to attack without them safespotting and smacktalking and/or logging off has been Phazer, but I haven't seen him around lately.
And not too long ago today, I had a group of three pirates from the corporation 'Assasins of the Imperium', two in Caracals and one in a Blackbird, warp away from my lone Crusader, despite the fact that I was outnumbered the entire time and ECM Jammed through at least 90% of the fight.
I guess I'm just wondering, are there pirates out there that don't just scatter at the first sign of opposition? I'm sure there are more, but I can't seem to find them. 
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2005.12.10 21:27:00 -
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Go fight the PPP =)
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Alex Logan
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Posted - 2005.12.10 21:34:00 -
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Come up to Amamake area, and down Egg way. Ushra'Khan are spanking pirates severely!! =D
Trick is to get a cov-ops on your side ;)
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.12.10 22:20:00 -
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Theres 2 breeds of pirates.
One looks for a fight. The other seem offended that people may actually shoot them back.
Its painfully obvious which your group fall into
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.12.10 22:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Deja Thoris
Theres 2 breeds of pirates.
One looks for a fight. The other seem offended that people may actually shoot them back.
Its painfully obvious which your group fall into
Unfortunatley, the latter are 90% of pirates nowadays
Originally by: Avon
I actually enjoy crafting in EQ2.
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.12.10 22:48:00 -
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Pirates safespots because 9 out of 11 times when a single guy engages a pirate or a group of pirates, it is because he has a gank squad waiting on the other gate. Sorry for breaking anti-pirate egos with this post.
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Soulis
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Posted - 2005.12.10 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Logan
Come up to Amamake area, and down Egg way. Ushra'Khan are spanking pirates severely!! =D
Trick is to get a cov-ops on your side ;)
hmmm Whateva
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Soulis
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Posted - 2005.12.10 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
Pirates safespots because 9 out of 11 times when a single guy engages a pirate or a group of pirates, it is because he has a gank squad waiting on the other gate. Sorry for breaking anti-pirate egos with this post.
shhh ushra kahn aren't that smart yet. they still turn up with their big ol' blob
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Justin Cody
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Posted - 2005.12.10 23:19:00 -
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Yeah Pirates are hared to fight without setting a trap. We pirates of the PPP will fight 1v1, but we won't fight if its not on our terms, since letting the enemy dictate terms is stupid. But if you want to fight pirates you have to live in their area and not let yourself get camped in. Also if they log off, and are flagged (which we don't do flagged) you can scan them with probes and kill them.
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2005.12.10 23:36:00 -
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To gain a fight expose your weakness and hide your strengths.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.12.11 00:05:00 -
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Edited by: Lygos on 11/12/2005 00:05:39
Sorry mate, but chivalry has been out of fashion for about 22,000 years at this point in time.
Try not to forget that 99% of the people you meet are operating under completely solipsistic reasoning when they attempt to comprehend the purpose of your immediate existence.
If you want to play with them, you have to become at least equally cretinous.
If you'd rather file a complaint, ask CCP to move combat away from zoning areas like any sensible game developer.
Personally, I find it easier to disregard just about everyone and wait for a game to accidentally emerge.
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Saeris Tal'Urduar
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Posted - 2005.12.11 00:08:00 -
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I dont mind a fight...as a matter of fact I need to learn when not to fight, naaa j/k.
Win or lose as long as I get some action. (except for the fact I tend to go broke kinda quick)
Was wondering why I havent seen you in noob corp chat in awhile.
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Destiny Defined
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Posted - 2005.12.11 00:15:00 -
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You must remember that alot of the time we will be on agro timers, so engaging or appearing at stations is out of the question. Which leaves you suprising limited on places to visit. Also, especially if we are in bigger ships, its a waste of 20mins agroing a small ship such as an inty.
Anyway im arguing quite the contrary, the amount of folk i See in local with "antipirate" in their bio is Ridiculous. Not once have i been agroed at a gate...
Seems noone will shoot without sentrys :(
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Tauruz
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Posted - 2005.12.11 00:49:00 -
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Its all about survival. Remeber most pirates have seen the old, 'lure at the gate', 'lure at the complex' and 'lure at the belt', tricks before.
I think most pvp advocates would quite happily engage in 1v1 or 1v(small group), just don't start crying when they ss or dock the moment you turn up with a blob.
Any bunch of 1 month old noobs, in sufficient numbers, can turn up with a blob and pwn an experienced player - they achieve nothing, prove nothing and are ultimately pointless.
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Montague Zooma
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Posted - 2005.12.11 01:12:00 -
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Trouble is always easiest to find when you aren't looking for it.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.12.11 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lygos
Edited by: Lygos on 11/12/2005 00:05:39
Sorry mate, but chivalry has been out of fashion for about 22,000 years at this point in time.
Try not to forget that 99% of the people you meet are operating under completely solipsistic reasoning when they attempt to comprehend the purpose of your immediate existence.
If you want to play with them, you have to become at least equally cretinous.
If you'd rather file a complaint, ask CCP to move combat away from zoning areas like any sensible game developer.
Personally, I find it easier to disregard just about everyone and wait for a game to accidentally emerge.
Forgive me for speaking plainly.
Do you write this just to impress us with big words or does it relate to the topic at hand in any way?
After looking up solipsism, I'm still not sure I understand what it means. So, In English, what does this have to do with pirates wanting a fight?
Main Entry: so+lip+sism
Pronunciation: 'sO-l&p-"si-z&m, 'sS-
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin solus alone + ipse self
: a theory holding that the self can know nothing but its own modifications and that the self is the only existent thing
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CrimsonSky
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Posted - 2005.12.11 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tauruz
Its all about survival. Remeber most pirates have seen the old, 'lure at the gate', 'lure at the complex' and 'lure at the belt', tricks before.
I think most pvp advocates would quite happily engage in 1v1 or 1v(small group), just don't start crying when they ss or dock the moment you turn up with a blob.
Any bunch of 1 month old noobs, in sufficient numbers, can turn up with a blob and pwn an experienced player - they achieve nothing, prove nothing and are ultimately pointless.
Remember; theres nothing better than a kill mail with just your name on it.
I understand this, which is why I haven't been too put off by pirates avoiding a 1v1 fight with me in a system where local has a lot of people. But this last fight, I warped to the belt the three of them were at because I wasn't sure if they were pirates or not, but they attacked me, so I went to work on them. The problem is, they then proceeded to warp out, in a 3v1 fight with nobody in local but the four of us, with me ECM jammed. Oh well, at least these guys didn't smacktalk or anything, they just safespotted and logged off.
I understand that they don't want to lose their ships, but it just seems wrong to run away from a 3v1 fight when you've got the other guy jammed. I guess I'll just keep trying to find good fights. I'm willing enough to attack any pirate ship that I think I have a chance against, though I'm not going to be shooting at gates or stations unless they are outlaws, as I only fly frigates.
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Irashi
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Posted - 2005.12.11 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Montague Zooma
Trouble is always easiest to find when you aren't looking for it.
Indeed it is. I was sitting cloaked in my assault frig around a planet in low sec, just trying the cloak out as I'd just trained the skill for it, when a hauler comes in from a belt while it's pilot's screaming in local about being attacked. I decloaked and said 'boo' in local because I was bored and thought it would be funny and it was rather funny when he warped off swearing and blasheming in local, then the crow that attacked him turned up and engaged me.
Was the first actual challenge I'd had in low sec, he was out of reach of my blasters and I was tanking his rockets, so after sitting there scrambling each other for about half an hour trying to arrange backup we called it quits, then we had a 'my dad could beat up your dad' discussion in local.
I thought pirate hunting would be a good and noble profession at first, but it's just long hours of boredom and frustration ending in a fight that you probably can't win. Don't bother, you'll die poor.
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.12.11 01:56:00 -
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Well the pirates I've been playing with recently won't fight me. Been declined a 1v1 on multiple occasions by them just saying they dont do 1v1's and yes it is pirate coalition pilots, and yes we were both in bs all the times of been declined. I try to get them at gates but they have too many wcs. And when I offer 1v1 not near sentries they decline.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.12.11 01:57:00 -
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Hrrm, I'm a pirate with -7.2 security status. I have no problems with people engaging me at gates when they see me lurking around. I also have no problems when i'm in a belt pretending to npc. They all seem to engage just the same. Maybe doing similar could help you? There are a lot of belt pirates out there. Lots of them will be happy to come kill you in a cruiser or something. Should be no problem unless you're making it known some how that you're indeed hunting them. Be more covert maybe?
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.12.11 02:05:00 -
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It just seems to me that the cool pirates like teddies and tunadragon and the sniggles are few and far between now a days and most just care about the killboard.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.12.11 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
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Sorry mate, but chivalry has been out of fashion for about 22,000 years at this point in time.
Try not to forget that 99% of the people you meet are operating under completely solipsistic reasoning when they attempt to comprehend the purpose of your immediate existence.
So, In English, what does this have to do with pirates wanting a fight?
She means: when looking for a fight, expect the other guy to fight in his own terms, not yours. (solipsistic reasoning = seeing the world in my terms, not yours)
As in: just because a pirate is in a BS shooting a hauler, it does not mean he will fight your inty, HAC or BS. His trade is to get easy kills, not fair fights. ('easy kills' not used as an insult, but as what pirates do: search and find targets that will be easily destroyed, gaining money from either ransom or remnats)
The OP poster problem seems to be that he assumes that a 'pirate' is 'one that likes to fight on equal odds', which is incorrect. Some pirates do like to fight, in addition to their pirates activities, but others will just focus on easy, profitable targets.
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Soulis
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Posted - 2005.12.11 02:25:00 -
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Well the pvp'ers I've been playing with recently won't fight me. Been declined a 1v1 on multiple occasions by them just saying they dont do 1v1's and yes it is Euphoria Released pilots, and yes we were both in bs all the times of been declined. I try to get them at gates but they have too many wcs. And when I offer 1v1 not near sentries they decline.
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.12.11 02:33:00 -
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wow good job soulis, you can replace pirate coalitionw ith euphoria released. btw if you really feel that way I'm up for a 1v1 anytime just ask.
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M3G4 InformationOfficer
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Posted - 2005.12.11 02:34:00 -
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If you want to fight trash ........ please come and see us if your bored.
Thankyou
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Troye
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Posted - 2005.12.11 02:34:00 -
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Yep thats the way it is:
When ever you want the pirates you wont be able to find them, and whenever your happily mining your socks off in your shinny new Coventor BOOM there they are!
They have a special way of doing that.
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.12.11 02:40:00 -
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btw i think soulis took what i said wrong way, I understand pirating is about making money I'm not trying to smack or call you a *****, just saying that its nothing like the old school pirates in teddybears or sniggles or tunardagon, they were always up for a fight and could careless about the killboard stats.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.12.11 04:29:00 -
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Most of those are not oldschool pirates hate to break it to ya. Just people who like the forums. Piracy isn't about wanting to fight to fight. It's about making isk and being alive for the most part. Some people do fight and that's cool. None the less, you got to work for it. Can't just expect people to sit there and let you kill them. You wont see 80-90% of the pirates wanting to pvp against you alone. Most hardly fly alone but there are the exceptions. So yeah, set traps in known regions where pirates often patrol. Don't just expect people to come fight you or put them selves in positions to be killed by you. Got to think out the box I say.
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Vmir Gallahasen
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Posted - 2005.12.11 05:23:00 -
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Looking like an easy target worked pretty well for me, when I tried out anti-pirating. Even so, fights weren't often -- the targets were there, but in
too great of numbers for me to handle alone and I knew that calling allies would
be pointless as the pirates would just safespot when faced with a challenge. I
don't mean this in a poor way towards the pirates, of course, because I understand
their need for survival. Disappointing when you're looking for a good fight, however.
Anti-pirating should not become a full-time occupation, or you'll tire of it very
quickly.
-Vmir
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Shaelin Corpius
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Posted - 2005.12.11 10:53:00 -
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Most people think that the pirates are found in 0.1-0.4. Which is false. The true pirate mainly sticks it out in 0.0. Ganking at empire gates is just what it is, ganking. Some real Pirates do it too, when they are bored.
If you want a fight with a pirate, you have do what he is going do to you. Find you in 0.0 space, scout your position and ship/outfit and attack with the proper equipment.
Simply, you have to be on the same pvp level as the pirate to get a fight. As most are not stupid and aren't going to place themselves in a fight which they undoubtedly know they will lose.
But, Occasionally you will find the crazy ones, who will go for it at any chance they get. PvP is all about the initiative. Whoever has it and the right stuff is prolly gunna win.
Get out of empire and hit the lawless zones, you'll find way more pirates out there, and you will get more 1 v 1s there as well.
Come visit me for one if u like. Bring whatever u like and I'll match u ship fer ship. My address is
Intaki Station in Y9G-KS, South Syndicate Way 1871337.
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