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CrimsonSky
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Posted - 2005.12.10 21:21:00 -
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The past few weeks I've been attempting to be an anti-pirate in an area near me, but I haven't had much success yet. I've got pretty used to using the scanner to quickly find where the pirates are, but catching them seems very difficult.
It's usually just one pirate against me, and the problem isn't warp core stabs or anything, it's that they all seem to just go to safespots as soon as they realize someone is actually going to fight back. So far the only pirate I've been able to attack without them safespotting and smacktalking and/or logging off has been Phazer, but I haven't seen him around lately.
And not too long ago today, I had a group of three pirates from the corporation 'Assasins of the Imperium', two in Caracals and one in a Blackbird, warp away from my lone Crusader, despite the fact that I was outnumbered the entire time and ECM Jammed through at least 90% of the fight.
I guess I'm just wondering, are there pirates out there that don't just scatter at the first sign of opposition? I'm sure there are more, but I can't seem to find them. 
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Aeaus
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Posted - 2005.12.10 21:27:00 -
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Go fight the PPP =)
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Alex Logan
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Posted - 2005.12.10 21:34:00 -
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Come up to Amamake area, and down Egg way. Ushra'Khan are spanking pirates severely!! =D
Trick is to get a cov-ops on your side ;)
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.12.10 22:20:00 -
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Theres 2 breeds of pirates.
One looks for a fight. The other seem offended that people may actually shoot them back.
Its painfully obvious which your group fall into
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.12.10 22:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Deja Thoris
Theres 2 breeds of pirates.
One looks for a fight. The other seem offended that people may actually shoot them back.
Its painfully obvious which your group fall into
Unfortunatley, the latter are 90% of pirates nowadays
Originally by: Avon
I actually enjoy crafting in EQ2.
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.12.10 22:48:00 -
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Pirates safespots because 9 out of 11 times when a single guy engages a pirate or a group of pirates, it is because he has a gank squad waiting on the other gate. Sorry for breaking anti-pirate egos with this post.
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Soulis
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Posted - 2005.12.10 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Logan
Come up to Amamake area, and down Egg way. Ushra'Khan are spanking pirates severely!! =D
Trick is to get a cov-ops on your side ;)
hmmm Whateva
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Soulis
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Posted - 2005.12.10 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
Pirates safespots because 9 out of 11 times when a single guy engages a pirate or a group of pirates, it is because he has a gank squad waiting on the other gate. Sorry for breaking anti-pirate egos with this post.
shhh ushra kahn aren't that smart yet. they still turn up with their big ol' blob
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Justin Cody
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Posted - 2005.12.10 23:19:00 -
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Yeah Pirates are hared to fight without setting a trap. We pirates of the PPP will fight 1v1, but we won't fight if its not on our terms, since letting the enemy dictate terms is stupid. But if you want to fight pirates you have to live in their area and not let yourself get camped in. Also if they log off, and are flagged (which we don't do flagged) you can scan them with probes and kill them.
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2005.12.10 23:36:00 -
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To gain a fight expose your weakness and hide your strengths.
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Lygos
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Posted - 2005.12.11 00:05:00 -
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Edited by: Lygos on 11/12/2005 00:05:39
Sorry mate, but chivalry has been out of fashion for about 22,000 years at this point in time.
Try not to forget that 99% of the people you meet are operating under completely solipsistic reasoning when they attempt to comprehend the purpose of your immediate existence.
If you want to play with them, you have to become at least equally cretinous.
If you'd rather file a complaint, ask CCP to move combat away from zoning areas like any sensible game developer.
Personally, I find it easier to disregard just about everyone and wait for a game to accidentally emerge.
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Saeris Tal'Urduar
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Posted - 2005.12.11 00:08:00 -
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I dont mind a fight...as a matter of fact I need to learn when not to fight, naaa j/k.
Win or lose as long as I get some action. (except for the fact I tend to go broke kinda quick)
Was wondering why I havent seen you in noob corp chat in awhile.
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Destiny Defined
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Posted - 2005.12.11 00:15:00 -
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You must remember that alot of the time we will be on agro timers, so engaging or appearing at stations is out of the question. Which leaves you suprising limited on places to visit. Also, especially if we are in bigger ships, its a waste of 20mins agroing a small ship such as an inty.
Anyway im arguing quite the contrary, the amount of folk i See in local with "antipirate" in their bio is Ridiculous. Not once have i been agroed at a gate...
Seems noone will shoot without sentrys :(
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Tauruz
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Posted - 2005.12.11 00:49:00 -
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Its all about survival. Remeber most pirates have seen the old, 'lure at the gate', 'lure at the complex' and 'lure at the belt', tricks before.
I think most pvp advocates would quite happily engage in 1v1 or 1v(small group), just don't start crying when they ss or dock the moment you turn up with a blob.
Any bunch of 1 month old noobs, in sufficient numbers, can turn up with a blob and pwn an experienced player - they achieve nothing, prove nothing and are ultimately pointless.
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Montague Zooma
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Posted - 2005.12.11 01:12:00 -
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Trouble is always easiest to find when you aren't looking for it.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.12.11 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lygos
Edited by: Lygos on 11/12/2005 00:05:39
Sorry mate, but chivalry has been out of fashion for about 22,000 years at this point in time.
Try not to forget that 99% of the people you meet are operating under completely solipsistic reasoning when they attempt to comprehend the purpose of your immediate existence.
If you want to play with them, you have to become at least equally cretinous.
If you'd rather file a complaint, ask CCP to move combat away from zoning areas like any sensible game developer.
Personally, I find it easier to disregard just about everyone and wait for a game to accidentally emerge.
Forgive me for speaking plainly.
Do you write this just to impress us with big words or does it relate to the topic at hand in any way?
After looking up solipsism, I'm still not sure I understand what it means. So, In English, what does this have to do with pirates wanting a fight?
Main Entry: so+lip+sism
Pronunciation: 'sO-l&p-"si-z&m, 'sS-
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin solus alone + ipse self
: a theory holding that the self can know nothing but its own modifications and that the self is the only existent thing
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CrimsonSky
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Posted - 2005.12.11 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tauruz
Its all about survival. Remeber most pirates have seen the old, 'lure at the gate', 'lure at the complex' and 'lure at the belt', tricks before.
I think most pvp advocates would quite happily engage in 1v1 or 1v(small group), just don't start crying when they ss or dock the moment you turn up with a blob.
Any bunch of 1 month old noobs, in sufficient numbers, can turn up with a blob and pwn an experienced player - they achieve nothing, prove nothing and are ultimately pointless.
Remember; theres nothing better than a kill mail with just your name on it.
I understand this, which is why I haven't been too put off by pirates avoiding a 1v1 fight with me in a system where local has a lot of people. But this last fight, I warped to the belt the three of them were at because I wasn't sure if they were pirates or not, but they attacked me, so I went to work on them. The problem is, they then proceeded to warp out, in a 3v1 fight with nobody in local but the four of us, with me ECM jammed. Oh well, at least these guys didn't smacktalk or anything, they just safespotted and logged off.
I understand that they don't want to lose their ships, but it just seems wrong to run away from a 3v1 fight when you've got the other guy jammed. I guess I'll just keep trying to find good fights. I'm willing enough to attack any pirate ship that I think I have a chance against, though I'm not going to be shooting at gates or stations unless they are outlaws, as I only fly frigates.
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Irashi
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Posted - 2005.12.11 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Montague Zooma
Trouble is always easiest to find when you aren't looking for it.
Indeed it is. I was sitting cloaked in my assault frig around a planet in low sec, just trying the cloak out as I'd just trained the skill for it, when a hauler comes in from a belt while it's pilot's screaming in local about being attacked. I decloaked and said 'boo' in local because I was bored and thought it would be funny and it was rather funny when he warped off swearing and blasheming in local, then the crow that attacked him turned up and engaged me.
Was the first actual challenge I'd had in low sec, he was out of reach of my blasters and I was tanking his rockets, so after sitting there scrambling each other for about half an hour trying to arrange backup we called it quits, then we had a 'my dad could beat up your dad' discussion in local.
I thought pirate hunting would be a good and noble profession at first, but it's just long hours of boredom and frustration ending in a fight that you probably can't win. Don't bother, you'll die poor.
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.12.11 01:56:00 -
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Well the pirates I've been playing with recently won't fight me. Been declined a 1v1 on multiple occasions by them just saying they dont do 1v1's and yes it is pirate coalition pilots, and yes we were both in bs all the times of been declined. I try to get them at gates but they have too many wcs. And when I offer 1v1 not near sentries they decline.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.12.11 01:57:00 -
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Hrrm, I'm a pirate with -7.2 security status. I have no problems with people engaging me at gates when they see me lurking around. I also have no problems when i'm in a belt pretending to npc. They all seem to engage just the same. Maybe doing similar could help you? There are a lot of belt pirates out there. Lots of them will be happy to come kill you in a cruiser or something. Should be no problem unless you're making it known some how that you're indeed hunting them. Be more covert maybe?
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.12.11 02:05:00 -
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It just seems to me that the cool pirates like teddies and tunadragon and the sniggles are few and far between now a days and most just care about the killboard.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.12.11 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Quote:
Sorry mate, but chivalry has been out of fashion for about 22,000 years at this point in time.
Try not to forget that 99% of the people you meet are operating under completely solipsistic reasoning when they attempt to comprehend the purpose of your immediate existence.
So, In English, what does this have to do with pirates wanting a fight?
She means: when looking for a fight, expect the other guy to fight in his own terms, not yours. (solipsistic reasoning = seeing the world in my terms, not yours)
As in: just because a pirate is in a BS shooting a hauler, it does not mean he will fight your inty, HAC or BS. His trade is to get easy kills, not fair fights. ('easy kills' not used as an insult, but as what pirates do: search and find targets that will be easily destroyed, gaining money from either ransom or remnats)
The OP poster problem seems to be that he assumes that a 'pirate' is 'one that likes to fight on equal odds', which is incorrect. Some pirates do like to fight, in addition to their pirates activities, but others will just focus on easy, profitable targets.
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Soulis
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Posted - 2005.12.11 02:25:00 -
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Well the pvp'ers I've been playing with recently won't fight me. Been declined a 1v1 on multiple occasions by them just saying they dont do 1v1's and yes it is Euphoria Released pilots, and yes we were both in bs all the times of been declined. I try to get them at gates but they have too many wcs. And when I offer 1v1 not near sentries they decline.
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.12.11 02:33:00 -
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wow good job soulis, you can replace pirate coalitionw ith euphoria released. btw if you really feel that way I'm up for a 1v1 anytime just ask.
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M3G4 InformationOfficer
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Posted - 2005.12.11 02:34:00 -
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If you want to fight trash ........ please come and see us if your bored.
Thankyou
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Troye
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Posted - 2005.12.11 02:34:00 -
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Yep thats the way it is:
When ever you want the pirates you wont be able to find them, and whenever your happily mining your socks off in your shinny new Coventor BOOM there they are!
They have a special way of doing that.
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Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.12.11 02:40:00 -
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btw i think soulis took what i said wrong way, I understand pirating is about making money I'm not trying to smack or call you a *****, just saying that its nothing like the old school pirates in teddybears or sniggles or tunardagon, they were always up for a fight and could careless about the killboard stats.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.12.11 04:29:00 -
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Most of those are not oldschool pirates hate to break it to ya. Just people who like the forums. Piracy isn't about wanting to fight to fight. It's about making isk and being alive for the most part. Some people do fight and that's cool. None the less, you got to work for it. Can't just expect people to sit there and let you kill them. You wont see 80-90% of the pirates wanting to pvp against you alone. Most hardly fly alone but there are the exceptions. So yeah, set traps in known regions where pirates often patrol. Don't just expect people to come fight you or put them selves in positions to be killed by you. Got to think out the box I say.
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Vmir Gallahasen
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Posted - 2005.12.11 05:23:00 -
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Looking like an easy target worked pretty well for me, when I tried out anti-pirating. Even so, fights weren't often -- the targets were there, but in
too great of numbers for me to handle alone and I knew that calling allies would
be pointless as the pirates would just safespot when faced with a challenge. I
don't mean this in a poor way towards the pirates, of course, because I understand
their need for survival. Disappointing when you're looking for a good fight, however.
Anti-pirating should not become a full-time occupation, or you'll tire of it very
quickly.
-Vmir
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Shaelin Corpius
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Posted - 2005.12.11 10:53:00 -
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Most people think that the pirates are found in 0.1-0.4. Which is false. The true pirate mainly sticks it out in 0.0. Ganking at empire gates is just what it is, ganking. Some real Pirates do it too, when they are bored.
If you want a fight with a pirate, you have do what he is going do to you. Find you in 0.0 space, scout your position and ship/outfit and attack with the proper equipment.
Simply, you have to be on the same pvp level as the pirate to get a fight. As most are not stupid and aren't going to place themselves in a fight which they undoubtedly know they will lose.
But, Occasionally you will find the crazy ones, who will go for it at any chance they get. PvP is all about the initiative. Whoever has it and the right stuff is prolly gunna win.
Get out of empire and hit the lawless zones, you'll find way more pirates out there, and you will get more 1 v 1s there as well.
Come visit me for one if u like. Bring whatever u like and I'll match u ship fer ship. My address is
Intaki Station in Y9G-KS, South Syndicate Way 1871337.
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pfffft
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Posted - 2005.12.11 10:54:00 -
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i really like people promoting themself
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Soulis
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Posted - 2005.12.11 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Uggs386
btw i think soulis took what i said wrong way, I understand pirating is about making money I'm not trying to smack or call you a *****, just saying that its nothing like the old school pirates in teddybears or sniggles or tunardagon, they were always up for a fight and could careless about the killboard stats.
don't worry uggs i never took it that way. my post way just kinda to show that just becuase its been said doesn't make it true. i know i generally hunt around the area most pirate coalition members hunt and i have yet to see you in local let alone ask for a 1 on 1. this is prob down to time zones difference.
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Pantheii
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Posted - 2005.12.11 11:25:00 -
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'Quick,the British Navy is after us lets engage them'
'Yarr,Captain'
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Alex Kynes
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Posted - 2005.12.11 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Pantheii
'Quick,the British Navy is after us lets engage them'
'Yarr,Captain'
This made my day! 
Thanks, man!
-AK
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Pantheii
'Quick,the British Navy is after us lets engage them'
'Yarr,Captain'
Lol!
-omg-
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DeathForMeh
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Posted - 2005.12.11 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Shaelin Corpius
Most people think that the pirates are found in 0.1-0.4. Which is false. The true pirate mainly sticks it out in 0.0. Ganking at empire gates is just what it is, ganking. Some real Pirates do it too, when they are bored.
If you want a fight with a pirate, you have do what he is going do to you. Find you in 0.0 space, scout your position and ship/outfit and attack with the proper equipment.
Simply, you have to be on the same pvp level as the pirate to get a fight. As most are not stupid and aren't going to place themselves in a fight which they undoubtedly know they will lose.
But, Occasionally you will find the crazy ones, who will go for it at any chance they get. PvP is all about the initiative. Whoever has it and the right stuff is prolly gunna win.
Get out of empire and hit the lawless zones, you'll find way more pirates out there, and you will get more 1 v 1s there as well.
Come visit me for one if u like. Bring whatever u like and I'll match u ship fer ship. My address is
Intaki Station in Y9G-KS, South Syndicate Way 1871337.
sorry to burst your buble but pirates nescarly imply law since 0.0 is lawless true pirates are in lowsec. 0.0ers are just locals with nbsi policy really.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.12.11 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
Pirates safespots because 9 out of 11 times when a single guy engages a pirate or a group of pirates, it is because he has a gank squad waiting on the other gate. Sorry for breaking anti-pirate egos with this post.
dude iv camped pirates in stations solo more times than i can remember(while being smacked)... face it 99% of u all are just plain scared of getting pwned.
most of the so called pirates nowdays are mince. bring back the real pirates of old.
d solo.
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Lenil Star
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Posted - 2005.12.11 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: DeathForMeh
sorry to burst your buble but pirates nescarly imply law since 0.0 is lawless true pirates are in lowsec. 0.0ers are just locals with nbsi policy really.
Piracy has nothing to do with law.
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2005.12.11 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Scalor Valentis on 11/12/2005 18:01:03
ive been searching pirates in usual hotspots to kill, also, in my viev there is non, last year same time, aunen/passari/egghelden/amamake were crawling with pirates...
now i see no one
Its compleetly _barren_
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.12.11 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Edited by: Scalor Valentis on 11/12/2005 18:01:03
ive been searching pirates in usual hotspots to kill, also, in my viev there is non, last year same time, aunen/passari/egghelden/amamake were crawling with pirates...
now i see no one
Its compleetly _barren_
I went thru Egg yesterday, there were 12 corpses at one gate.
All the noobs must have self destructed out of boredom
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Jebidus Skari
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Posted - 2005.12.11 21:17:00 -
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I can't believe people still use the term pirate in this game.
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MrMorph
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:24:00 -
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Piracy is rare and close to dead.
Griefing, Ganking and PvP'ing is not.
I r the ebilness !
No really.....I am.....
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Corven Doomsong
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:51:00 -
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really wanna come fights some pirates come down to curse and BE will be more then happy to accomidate you 
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Camador
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Posted - 2005.12.12 04:59:00 -
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In fact. Dont even come to curse. Just fly a fully loaded tempest into Sendaya, and then just go afk at the gate.
Ill come by sometime to relieve you of your items.
(happened once already)
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k starwind
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Posted - 2005.12.12 06:37:00 -
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if i thought i would get a 1on1 whn fighting BE i would do it tomorrow but you would proberly just gank me.
BE are not pirates they are just little kids
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Camador
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Posted - 2005.12.12 07:55:00 -
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Oh whats that i hear? Why it must be the sound of ASCN comming to flame us in threads which they have no buisness being in!
Shoo.
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.12.12 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: k starwind
if i thought i would get a 1on1 whn fighting BE i would do it tomorrow but you would proberly just gank me.
BE are not pirates they are just little kids
/me sense alot of depression and agression in this one.
perhaps he has been smoked a few times to many and the cloing process hasnt returned him to his full complete mental state?
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Kerosene
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Posted - 2005.12.12 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Soulis
Originally by: Uggs386
btw i think soulis took what i said wrong way, I understand pirating is about making money I'm not trying to smack or call you a *****, just saying that its nothing like the old school pirates in teddybears or sniggles or tunardagon, they were always up for a fight and could careless about the killboard stats.
don't worry uggs i never took it that way. my post way just kinda to show that just becuase its been said doesn't make it true. i know i generally hunt around the area most pirate coalition members hunt and i have yet to see you in local let alone ask for a 1 on 1. this is prob down to time zones difference.
I've kinda seen ya. Never in space though. But I've seen your friends. Never been offered a 1 on 1 though. I'd turn it down anyway because 1 vs 1's are stupid. If I can't kill you guys with tactics and patience, I don't deserve to kill you in 1 vs 1. Being the hunted is easier than being the hunter. Yeah, just looked on our killboards, you're not on the list of folk I've killed so I haven't seen you in space.
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Jamius
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Posted - 2005.12.12 10:27:00 -
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Come see me in Daran anytime. If I have a ship of the same class as you have and I'm not busy (or drunk), I'll fight you. Well I'll probably fight you if I am drunk but I really should know better :)
If it's a pre-arranged fight them no jamming will be a pre-requisite. If it's not pre-arranged then anything goes.
Maybe see you soon Crimson, I'll keep an eye out for you.
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Jonathan Davis
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Posted - 2005.12.12 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Jonathan Davis on 12/12/2005 10:44:08
Originally by: darth solo
Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
Pirates safespots because 9 out of 11 times when a single guy engages a pirate or a group of pirates, it is because he has a gank squad waiting on the other gate. Sorry for breaking anti-pirate egos with this post.
dude iv camped pirates in stations solo more times than i can remember(while being smacked)... face it 99% of u all are just plain scared of getting pwned.
most of the so called pirates nowdays are mince. bring back the real pirates of old.
d solo.
HAHAHA, I love it when people talk like this. It kinda reminds me of my parents talking aobut how music 'used to be so good, now its all crap' - Statements like this are rarely true. There has always been hundereds of 'gankers' and 'griefers' compared to the relatively few amount of people who you would consider real pirates (which imo is a such a stupid stereotype to expect pirates to conform to - 'will fight anyone, doesnt care about money, will engage our l33t blob with his inty solo - a lifestyle like that is completly unsustainable unless you have an alt with a plethora of t2 bpos. Anyway, i'll finish this rant a bit further down).
The fact is that people only think it used to be 'so good' and that in the 'old days' all pirates were honourable, polite, and friendly because they only remeber the best parts of their eve experience, just like how people only remeber the music from their generation they particularily liked, and like those people they have forgotten completely about all the n00b pirates that came with them.
Something that most people who have never pirated don't understand is that Pirates (which from now on in this post means pirates who make a living from it, not ones who have an alt supplying them with buckets of isk to buy their l33t ships with who, i dunno, i will call umm..... 'fake pirates') usually need to think about what they engage. Losing a ship can be expensive, and sure some pirates may have looted a t2 bpo or some faction mods, but most won't have and will be quite poor as a result. So yes, Chances are that if you try and jump them, they will run, just like anyone else would (but of course being a pirates and doing this makes you a coward and a n00b, for everyone else it's acceptable behaviour).
You've also got to remember how little a pirate usually actually knows about a situation - i.e. If they are solo pirating they will not know whos in the neigbouring systems, who in local has alliances/nap outside of the established corp/alliance system, the setups on the ships in local - for some reason people expect pirates to know all this stuff and therefore make a decision to engage in a battle that could decide whether they can afford to feed their pvp habit for another week or whether they are forced to carebear it up for that week to have any ISK at all. Personally i would be suprised so many pirates choose to risk their ship when the odds are against them if i didnt know how fun doing this was.
Another subject in this thread is 1v1s. Personally I rarely accept 1v1s anymore, as since I have become a pirate the only 1v1's that were honoured were when I found someone in a similar ship to me, alone in local (very hard to cheat) or within the corp - almost everyone cheats nowerdays, either bringing friends, or a grossly overpowered ship (i know not everyone is like this but it has been a while since i met one). I dunno whether morals have been thrown out the window in favour of getting that kill mail, or I just matured (PvP wise) in a fairly polite and fair environment (empire RP wars) and i was therefore sheltered from the harsh realities of how low people will go to win, but 1v1s don't have much place in PvP for me atm.
Well, it was good finally getting al lthat off my chest. Darth Solo, i just want to say your point of view is flawed and that 99% of pirates are not "just plain scared of getting pwned" but i've run out of characters so i'll leave that for another post).
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Flowerpot
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:17:00 -
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The quality of the pirates round our way in the serpents coil I think is very high. We have the black storm clan and Dr Evil's crew on a pretty regular patrol and I don't think anything intimidates these guys. I remember one particularly terrifying incident with the royal syndicate where I can only assume the only reason I wasn't caught was I was not a tasty enough morsel for them.
Are you seriously telling me you can't find pirates willing to attack you, visit ostingele, I'm sure the aforementioned gentlemen would only be too pleased to oblige you.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:40:00 -
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Most anti-pirates wont leave a gate to fight elsewhere in system also, knowing full well they've got the sentries to help them
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Jamius
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:41:00 -
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"You've also got to remember how little a pirate usually actually knows about a situation"
Good point Jonathan. As a solo pirate myself I know how much time it can take to properly scope out a situation and often by that time the chance to fight someone can be gone.
If there are enough other people in system then I often have no idea who is with who and if a few of them are BS's then I may want to attack that lone geddon, ratting in a belt but I rarely would if there is a chance they are together.
And I am one of the constantly skint pirates. I can afford to lose a BS but generally that is me skint once I replace it and I am not good at saving money :)
In game credit cards would be good. A tech2 Guristas bad a$$ platinum card for me. 10bill limit - maxed out in 2 hours before I mysteriously disappear 4tw.
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Tecam Hund
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Posted - 2005.12.12 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: CrimsonSky
The past few weeks I've been attempting to be an anti-pirate in an area near me, but I haven't had much success yet. I've got pretty used to using the scanner to quickly find where the pirates are, but catching them seems very difficult.
It's usually just one pirate against me, and the problem isn't warp core stabs or anything, it's that they all seem to just go to safespots as soon as they realize someone is actually going to fight back. So far the only pirate I've been able to attack without them safespotting and smacktalking and/or logging off has been Phazer, but I haven't seen him around lately.
And not too long ago today, I had a group of three pirates from the corporation 'Assasins of the Imperium', two in Caracals and one in a Blackbird, warp away from my lone Crusader, despite the fact that I was outnumbered the entire time and ECM Jammed through at least 90% of the fight.
I guess I'm just wondering, are there pirates out there that don't just scatter at the first sign of opposition? I'm sure there are more, but I can't seem to find them.
I'd fight your crusader any day... But here is a catch. I have decent skills in frigates and small weaponry, so it doesn't matter who you are as long as you are in frigate. Now on the other hand, i would not engage a 2 year old player in a battleship who obviously knows something about PvP and packs t2 large guns. Piracy is about making money, not suicide runs. Even though I like a fight, I already lost a battleship charging 3 battleships and 2 assault frigates solo - fun but stupid; business comes first.
Another thing, some people told me that they were hunting me and could not catch. Thruth is, I was hunting them too, and I never stay on one spot for longer than several seconds when I am after a target. So we just kept missing each other. I am sure it can be the case with many other pirates. But as it was pointed out, if you want to be antipirate, you have to live in the same area. Making visits to systems and hoping to hit some pirates will not work.
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.12.12 12:15:00 -
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Well how about get together with other anti pirates, declare war on them etc, after a while they declare war on you too as well as it becomes a struggle for the area, gets you lots of fights.
Sentries are a pain!
El Presedente
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.12.12 12:32:00 -
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Well, it was good finally getting al lthat off my chest. Darth Solo, i just want to say your point of view is flawed and that 99% of pirates are not "just plain scared of getting pwned" but i've run out of characters so i'll leave that for another post.
nope, im pretty sure they are scared..
d solo.
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Khabok
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Posted - 2005.12.12 12:38:00 -
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As a solo pirate, I'm all about having fun in the game...
But when it comes down to it, CrimsonSky is right: Business is business. I can't afford to lose ships, I can't afford to be reckless, I can't afford to let my targets escape without paying (one way or another), and I can never afford to let my attention wander.
One mistep in this business, and the hunter very quicky becomes the hunted. You must learn quickly or go hungry, as it were. The penalty for failure is harsh. Brutally harsh.
And there's always somebody better than you, bigger than you, faster than you... if you don't know this, if you don't believe this.. then you're already an easy target and just don't realize it yet.
So if I seem a little skittish to you... if I run when I think my ship is in danger of being destroyed ... if I don't aggress because I don't have all the information I need to keep my ship and pod safe... then you'll have to excuse my lack of suicidal tendencies.
Life is a little different when there's nobody to cover your back. Then again, I don't have to share the loot.
Khabok
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spRAYed
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Posted - 2005.12.12 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Destiny Defined
You must remember that alot of the time we will be on agro timers, so engaging or appearing at stations is out of the question. Which leaves you suprising limited on places to visit. Also, especially if we are in bigger ships, its a waste of 20mins agroing a small ship such as an inty.
Anyway im arguing quite the contrary, the amount of folk i See in local with "antipirate" in their bio is Ridiculous. Not once have i been agroed at a gate...
Seems noone will shoot without sentrys :(
Cuz u dont get near gates. U dont even leave station when there is even a small chance u might get shot by war targets.
I have no problem with pirates. But if your such a big boy and have the balls to shoot haulers and gank BS now and then (when u have at least 10-1 ods) , then u should come out and fight REAL pvpers that DO fire back aswell.
Sissy's 4tw. 
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.12.12 14:27:00 -
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To me, piracy is to hunt, not to fight. I pirate because I like hunting, and I fight because I love PVP. No one considers shooting a hauler to be a fight. It is purely business. PVP is for fun, and PVP only comes from picking a fight or by being engaged by someone I have means to strike back at.
When people say "go pick on a target that fights back, you coward pirate", all I can think of is animal activists saying that hunters should hunt animals that has a fair chance of striking back. That ain't hunting, thats' just reckless. The only reason to challange a bear to a knife fight would be for excitement, but hardly for making profit.
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Lurtz
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Posted - 2005.12.12 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Lurtz on 12/12/2005 16:34:08
Edited by: Lurtz on 12/12/2005 16:33:11
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Lygos
Edited by: Lygos on 11/12/2005 00:05:39
Sorry mate, but chivalry has been out of fashion for about 22,000 years at this point in time.
Try not to forget that 99% of the people you meet are operating under completely solipsistic reasoning when they attempt to comprehend the purpose of your immediate existence.
If you want to play with them, you have to become at least equally cretinous.
If you'd rather file a complaint, ask CCP to move combat away from zoning areas like any sensible game developer.
Personally, I find it easier to disregard just about everyone and wait for a game to accidentally emerge.
Forgive me for speaking plainly.
Do you write this just to impress us with big words or does it relate to the topic at hand in any way?
After looking up solipsism, I'm still not sure I understand what it means. So, In English, what does this have to do with pirates wanting a fight?
Main Entry: so+lip+sism
Pronunciation: 'sO-l&p-"si-z&m, 'sS-
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin solus alone + ipse self
: a theory holding that the self can know nothing but its own modifications and that the self is the only existent thing
Made perfect sense to me, but I've been re reading stuff for my Philosphy final on Friday.
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HUGO DRAX
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Posted - 2005.12.12 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Flowerpot
The quality of the pirates round our way in the serpents coil I think is very high. We have the black storm clan and Dr Evil's crew on a pretty regular patrol and I don't think anything intimidates these guys. I remember one particularly terrifying incident with the royal syndicate where I can only assume the only reason I wasn't caught was I was not a tasty enough morsel for them.
Are you seriously telling me you can't find pirates willing to attack you, visit ostingele, I'm sure the aforementioned gentlemen would only be too pleased to oblige you.
I agree come down to placid for tea and crumpets
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Pa1nbringr
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Posted - 2005.12.12 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
Pirates safespots because 9 out of 11 times when a single guy engages a pirate or a group of pirates, it is because he has a gank squad waiting on the other gate. Sorry for breaking anti-pirate egos with this post.
dude iv camped pirates in stations solo more times than i can remember(while being smacked)... face it 99% of u all are just plain scared of getting pwned.
most of the so called pirates nowdays are mince. bring back the real pirates of old.
d solo.
darth where you been lately i've been missin you ;/
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Empyre
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Posted - 2005.12.12 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Khabok
So if I seem a little skittish to you... if I run when I think my ship is in danger of being destroyed ... if I don't aggress because I don't have all the information I need to keep my ship and pod safe... then you'll have to excuse my lack of suicidal tendencies.Khabok
all i wanted was a pepsi...just one pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me..
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Bermag
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Posted - 2005.12.12 22:09:00 -
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If you are looking to find pirates to kill then send me an evemail and I will tell you where to find some (I don't want to say their name or the system since I don't want them warned).
I have been mining in a quit 0.4 system and had not seen any pirates until this weekend there. It is a low traffic system and mostly been new players mining there. Until this weekend when two pirates have been roaming around killing a lot of ships (not me though). All the victims have been new players who have not much chance of fighting back (think one of the pirates is using a domi).
I strongly suspect that the pirates are alts of two miner/builders in this system who want to keep the system for themself.
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Kerosene
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Posted - 2005.12.13 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Empyre
Originally by: Khabok
So if I seem a little skittish to you... if I run when I think my ship is in danger of being destroyed ... if I don't aggress because I don't have all the information I need to keep my ship and pod safe... then you'll have to excuse my lack of suicidal tendencies.Khabok
all i wanted was a pepsi...just one pepsi, and she wouldn't give it to me..
suicidal tendancies ftw...
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Deathhawk
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Posted - 2005.12.13 13:45:00 -
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come down to heimatar region... i like to fight
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Kharak'khan
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Posted - 2005.12.13 14:36:00 -
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Most pirates dont want to fight when they are outnumbered by a huge amount, Euphoria And Ushra'Khan move round in blobby grouphs, You wonder why i keep hidden when local jumps from 5 - 15 players. Why fight on the enemies terms,And I have had plenty of fun in 1 vs 1s.
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Mactire
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Posted - 2005.12.13 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Mactire on 13/12/2005 15:37:02
Originally by: Kharak'khan
Most pirates dont want to fight when they are outnumbered by a huge amount, Euphoria And Ushra'Khan move round in blobby grouphs, You wonder why i keep hidden when local jumps from 5 - 15 players. Why fight on the enemies terms,And I have had plenty of fun in 1 vs 1s.
We are currently at war with the Ushra'Khan so I can speak a little from experience. They are brave warriors, whether in Fleet battle or in small or solo strike forces. Almost every night we chase them through our corridors, sometimes with success and at other times they slip through the net. They never complain about being outnumbered. They expect it. If you walk into the Lion's den, don't expect just one Lion to attack you.
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