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Pehova Mindtriq
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Posted - 2005.12.11 21:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Jherek Cornelian
Originally by: The Enslaver
My FE char wasn't affected, bad lag but didn't crash.
It was just that more F-E suffered crashes than [5].
Back in the Foundation days I was in the 5 fleet and in the Foundation fleet when we had that massive lag battle (I've forgotten which system). Both my chars lost a ship.
On the 5 forums I was told to petition. I did and got my ship back. Guess what happened when I petitioned my foundation character..
I've kinda learnt to live with the fact that for poor old Jherek it will always be an uphill battle 
Why would you have a character in each fleet? Makes as much sense as doing a 1vs1 by yourself or did i miss something?
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Darpz
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq
Originally by: Jherek Cornelian
Originally by: The Enslaver
My FE char wasn't affected, bad lag but didn't crash.
It was just that more F-E suffered crashes than [5].
Back in the Foundation days I was in the 5 fleet and in the Foundation fleet when we had that massive lag battle (I've forgotten which system). Both my chars lost a ship.
On the 5 forums I was told to petition. I did and got my ship back. Guess what happened when I petitioned my foundation character..
I've kinda learnt to live with the fact that for poor old Jherek it will always be an uphill battle
Why would you have a character in each fleet? Makes as much sense as doing a 1vs1 by yourself or did i miss something?
prolly should of read on of his chars was a spy in the 5 fleet
Originally by: TomB
Originally by: Darpz
Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi
CCP will nerf this probably, but hey, worth a try
so your saying I should of kept my mouth shut?
Yup.
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Stan D'marco
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:07:00 -
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This is so silly. Sounds like you never been in a proper fleet batle before. I've had this happend to me 2-3 times. Mostly against G and Iron. I recognize all the leads you describe here. I was looking at freezed ships on the screen, I could not activate modules while the enemies who jumped in could move freely and kill everything.
Honorable enough G let us get our people out so we could continue another day. It took 45 minutes until all of us could log back in again. When we petition as "node overload" we never get our ships back from the regular GM's, we just have to let them escalate to a senior GM. It usually takes a week to get all ships back depending on how many were lost etc.
I can't recall anyone accusing G for GM h4xx0rz because they and Iron could move but we who already were in system couldn't. But then again we are so used to this happening that we never filed stuck petitions.
To me this whole thing sounds like good old node overload lag. It comes with the game and you can usually pick up symptoms before it happends. E.g. as your mates getting emergency warp outs at gates, it takes forever to load next system etc. Nothing you can do about it but to cancel the op or move to a different region and fight.
It looks to me that this was caused by inexperience on how EVE can behave during large battles and chance that put you on the recieving end this time (again you might add, but still you can bet on red at roulette and get black ten times in a row: chance). A bet your alliance chat was filled with screaming fleet nublets demanding an explanation etc. and it all turned into a stampede.
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Trey Azagthoth
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:16:00 -
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/me sits back and chuckles...
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Dracorimus
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:21:00 -
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Damn what a mess...
It's called lag, we all know of it, we all hate it, it happens... get over it and move on..
There is no need for GM's to have to post to justify their actions at all, this is actually terrible really, I mean what the hell are you guys complaining about ? That some people got stuck and got moved ? And you yell that its 5 having a GM in their ranks or BoB whenever we have a decision in our favor, I mean JESUS CHRIST, it's a game, we all die, we all lose stuff, we all get stuck from time to time and get moved, whats the BIG DEAL ?
Pathetic, I am sorry for the GM who had to post this cos some people throw false accusations and immediately screaming sploit or HAX or favoritism....
Respect to GM Arkanon tbfh...
Draco
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Caybn E'vangel
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Stan D'marco
This is so silly. Sounds like you never been in a proper fleet batle before. I've had this happend to me 2-3 times. Mostly against G and Iron. I recognize all the leads you describe here. I was looking at freezed ships on the screen, I could not activate modules while the enemies who jumped in could move freely and kill everything.
Honorable enough G let us get our people out so we could continue another day. It took 45 minutes until all of us could log back in again. When we petition as "node overload" we never get our ships back from the regular GM's, we just have to let them escalate to a senior GM. It usually takes a week to get all ships back depending on how many were lost etc.
I can't recall anyone accusing G for GM h4xx0rz because they and Iron could move but we who already were in system couldn't. But then again we are so used to this happening that we never filed stuck petitions.
To me this whole thing sounds like good old node overload lag. It comes with the game and you can usually pick up symptoms before it happends. E.g. as your mates getting emergency warp outs at gates, it takes forever to load next system etc. Nothing you can do about it but to cancel the op or move to a different region and fight.
It looks to me that this was caused by inexperience on how EVE can behave during large battles and chance that put you on the recieving end this time (again you might add, but still you can bet on red at roulette and get black ten times in a row: chance). A bet your alliance chat was filled with screaming fleet nublets demanding an explanation etc. and it all turned into a stampede.
Was there that day, it sucked. Quoted for truth.
Get over it.
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CherryT
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:38:00 -
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2 people from FE have requested FE memebrs stop replying, yet people are still replying from FE.
lol, oh well.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: GM Arkanon
FInally, would you risk your livelyhood to get ahead in an MMORPG? We are routinely accused of cheating and it's getting a bit old, frankly. I have investigated countless such claims, and none have been based on fact. Please show us the courtesy of backing up your claims with hard facts, instead of spreading unfounded gossip. Otherwise, you are in breach of our TOS and risk action against your account.
Some would, and some have. And youre well aware of this.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:50:00 -
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Ok, people.
It is time to end this childishness.
NOONE IS BEING FAVOURED BY GM'S OR CCP IN EVE, friggin end of story !
What I want to know, is wether every single player that openly accused other players of hacking, cheating and/or exploiting will get an immediate warning on the forums, if not an ingame warning for abuse from this point on.
I honestly am sick and tired of the silly accusations flying around whenever something crappy happens to the server and one side suffers mroe then another.
Everyone has had this happen at one point or another, yet only some of us keep going on about it being the result of cheating or exploiting or favouritism.
Stop being ridiculous and childish, start behaving like an adult ffs.
oh, I'm serious about those warnings btw, emotions have never been an excuse for breaking the rules, so why make an exception for this idiocy ? If an GM dignifies this behaviour with a reply, then please dignify my question with one as well...
Why aren't these people being warned ?
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:00:00 -
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honestly i would not stand up for ccp if FE actually took a major knockout, lost dozends of ships and the gm actually did nothing.
However the fella did try to help, started moving ppl 1 by 1 (which might take some time so sucks if youre the last in the row) and finally got it "fixed".
However reading those accusations, answer me a simple question. IF anyone would be a gm, would he abuse his power to make ppl he favours score -1- t1 fitted battleship kill while he moves the rest of the fleet ?
Im not touching the reimbruisement thingy, ive been dissappointed by it every time a bug or lag made me die so i cant say im really favoured but accusing the gms is just plain silly. Especially with the major advantage gained at hand.... lol ?
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GM Arkanon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: w0rmy
Some would, and some have. And youre well aware of this.
And what does that prove? Nothing, that's what. I am aware of some scandals happening in other games a long time ago, but I can't see what that has to do with us and certainly not why the actions of some other GMs, years ago and continents away should reflect on us, or give you the right to imply that we are dishonest people.
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Why aren't these people being warned ?
We do warn people for breaking the TOS and as already established, slandering the GMs is a breach of the TOS.
GM Arkanon
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Tresienne
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:16:00 -
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There is a serious issue with how eve handles large numbers of players in a system and what happens when another large group enters that same system. That needs to be looked at properly and then fixed once and for all.
Whether it gets spread across more nodes, or whatever technology is needed, please do it. The faster the better. In fact I would prefer that was sorted before we got new stuff in test (but that's just my preference).
And perhaps it could also be applied to the busy systems in empire so that we don't get lag just because there are 300-400 or more players in local.
Otherwise what is the point in showing us a link of some new piece of cool hardware that is mega-fast if we are still getting stuck and suffering from lag when in a busy system?
PS - please don't nerf busy systems again, instead work out how to fix it so that systems can have 600+ players in them with no lag. Afterall, we want eve to keep growing so it needs to be able to handle 600+, 1000+ in a system.
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Balazs Simon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: GM Arkanon
Originally by: w0rmy
Some would, and some have. And youre well aware of this.
And what does that prove? Nothing, that's what. I am aware of some scandals happening in other games a long time ago, but I can't see what that has to do with us and certainly not why the actions of some other GMs, years ago and continents away should reflect on us, or give you the right to imply that we are dishonest people.
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Why aren't these people being warned ?
We do warn people for breaking the TOS and as already established, slandering the GMs is a breach of the TOS.
Your repply made me more paranoid than the post you quoted... you just admitted there were something... something big and bad...
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C4w3
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:33:00 -
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This actually made me stay up and watch the daily FE soap tv show.... the topic and headlines are ....... HAXPLOITES .......
I say Ban bat, nerf bat and a GM as tactical officer in my tempest.
U made urself look even more stupid if that is possible FE
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Kirin
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:34:00 -
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I guess some ppl have no idea how source code on a program of this nature works. "IF" a GM was to do something in favor of another member, corporation, alliance (to include his/her own) such context within the game system would be flagged and most assuredly recorded and/or noticed by the developers. Thus this would assuredly get reported to whomever is in management of the GM team and thus assuredly get issues brought forth between the two parties.
Now then to accuse GM's of doing things to favor their game play (taking into consideration CCP even allows GM's themselves to have chars in game)and deny the fact that CCP does not have rules and regulations within their own system to prevent such, would be well...asinine to be honest.
The game has issues, yes we as customers/players of said game have a right to report said issues, yes. The GM's are obligated to respond to us and attempt to address these issues in a professional and courteous manner, yes. But to accuse a "professional" that is attempting to do his/her job to the best of their ability and assist 16000+ ppl across the world with issues in a virtual world is sort of like an old saying I've seen time and time again...
"Arguing on the internet is like the Special Olympics, even if you win your still a retard"
Leave the GM staff alone, leave the forum moderators alone, leave the developers alone. If you have issues take it up with them privately. If that isn't good enough, then canmcel your acct and log the hell off the game. No one forces you to play the bloody thing after all.
Remember the toes you step on today are still connected to the arse you may have to kiss tomorrow.
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Freya Selene
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:45:00 -
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My respect to the GM's for solving the mather as they did.
While CCP and its whole team trying there best effort in making Eve as it is today the community so easy forgets in rage when little trouble accurse.
Nothing worse for dedicated man that try to do there job a 110% and gething accused of falls accusations just becouse they (the accuser) didnt had any gain out of it.
My respect.
Freya Selene.
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The Slayer
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kirin
stuff
/signed.
Please all be aware that the opinions of the more vocal minority of F-E is not that of us all. Keep up the good job GM's.
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:52:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Balazs Simon
Your repply made me more paranoid than the post you quoted... you just admitted there were something... something big and bad...
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Originally by: GM Arkanon
And what does that prove? Nothing, that's what. I am aware of some scandals happening in other games a long time ago, [...]
Added some emphasis to the GM Arknanon quote there for you, Balazs. 
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Yock Fuu
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Posted - 2005.12.12 00:01:00 -
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Edited by: Yock Fuu on 12/12/2005 00:01:10
the tinfoil hat brigade is strong in this thread 
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Levin Cavil
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Posted - 2005.12.12 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: GM Arkanon
Originally by: MalaMo
I read lot about something ppl call Customer Support ... What is that if I may ask ? 
Customer support are the GMs, who responded to your two stuck petitions and the seven emails you have sent to us.
Isn't revealing his number of petitons/E-mails and CCP's resonce to them a breach of the TOS?
I can say that I wouldn't appreciate you revealing the number of petitons I've filed along with the results.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2005.12.12 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: Tenebrion
Lol, forum war at it's best  .
Yup, I don't get why people doesn't believe us when we say we have forum PvP.
Because you guys cheat and just lock/delete anything that takes your fancy of course ..
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Vanamonde
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:15:00 -
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BLOCKQUOTE font class=quote size=9px face= Verdana img src= /images/icon_quote_message.gif border= 0 b Originally by: /b i MOOstradamus /i hr height=1 noshade Because you guys cheat and just lock/delete anything that takes your fancy of course .. hr height=1 noshade /font /BLOCKQUOTE br br We just enforce the rules MOO. Therefore our fancy is laid out in plain sight here: a href= http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/forumrules.asp target= _blank http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/forumrules.asp /a OMG, TEH FORUMS HAVE RULES?!?!?
Please refrain from discussing moderation any further.
All discussion of moderation should be held with us directly, by emailing us at [email protected]
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Gunsnroses
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tiwaz
Edited by: Tiwaz on 11/12/2005 18:51:00
ccp should remove this tread now.
Complaints about GM's should be petitioned, but not discussed here.
tiwaz
No this shoudl be an open forum. The customer service in this game is absolute ****.
To not have that in the public eye, is to have it swept under the rug and forgotten.
Countless people have lost ships and items to bugs, sometimes not even in combat.
I've had an escrow disapear with 150million in minerals, and i got the same basic reply.
Sorry, We're rude ass mofos, and we wont admit theres a bug that cost you harm.
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Tiberius Caesar
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Levin Cavil
Originally by: GM Arkanon
Originally by: MalaMo
I read lot about something ppl call Customer Support ... What is that if I may ask ?
Customer support are the GMs, who responded to your two stuck petitions and the seven emails you have sent to us.
Isn't revealing his number of petitons/E-mails and CCP's resonce to them a breach of the TOS?
I can say that I wouldn't appreciate you revealing the number of petitons I've filed along with the results.
So, GM's should just have to accept insult's an innuendo's questioning their integerty and not be able to respond?
Scum is as Scum does...
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:31:00 -
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IF you blob expect lag and it can go either way do you really think a GM can start up a lag machine for only certain players?Dont be bleedin rediculas they used to say the same about CA in the old days, 1)why would they in the first place , there isnt any motive as the mans said in teh post, 2)there isnt any possible way of doing it without serious management of working out which connections to screw with... eitherway its simply not gonna happen deal with it and next time maybe go for fast moving small fleets opposed to slow blob warring which kills the server.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:31:00 -
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Maybe it had something to do with gangs, I assume both sides had a gang going, maybe FE's gang was misplaced somehow on the servers, causing all of them to get stuck, while 5's gang went about its business.
Honestly GM favoritism is the last thing I would expect, there are many more explanations that should be looked into first.
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Woot.
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Tiberius Caesar
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Gunsnroses
Originally by: Tiwaz
Edited by: Tiwaz on 11/12/2005 18:51:00
ccp should remove this tread now.
Complaints about GM's should be petitioned, but not discussed here.
tiwaz
No this shoudl be an open forum. The customer service in this game is absolute ****.
To not have that in the public eye, is to have it swept under the rug and forgotten.
Countless people have lost ships and items to bugs, sometimes not even in combat.
I've had an escrow disapear with 150million in minerals, and i got the same basic reply.
Sorry, We're rude ass mofos, and we wont admit theres a bug that cost you harm.
You probably escrowed it wrong and to ake up for your own mistake tried blamign the game.
Once upon a time there was a guy called Heff. He accused CCP of covering up bugs and stuff and it was all a LIE. Most old timers that arent too blinkered will give the benefit of the doubt the CCP/GM's.
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Gunsnroses
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tiberius Caesar
Originally by: Gunsnroses
Originally by: Tiwaz
Edited by: Tiwaz on 11/12/2005 18:51:00
ccp should remove this tread now.
Complaints about GM's should be petitioned, but not discussed here.
tiwaz
No this shoudl be an open forum. The customer service in this game is absolute ****.
To not have that in the public eye, is to have it swept under the rug and forgotten.
Countless people have lost ships and items to bugs, sometimes not even in combat.
I've had an escrow disapear with 150million in minerals, and i got the same basic reply.
Sorry, We're rude ass mofos, and we wont admit theres a bug that cost you harm.
You probably escrowed it wrong and to ake up for your own mistake tried blamign the game.
Once upon a time there was a guy called Heff. He accused CCP of covering up bugs and stuff and it was all a LIE. Most old timers that arent too blinkered will give the benefit of the doubt the CCP/GM's.
Nope, wasnt a bad escrow, GMs said the minerals next existed.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Xelios
Maybe it had something to do with gangs, I assume both sides had a gang going, maybe FE's gang was misplaced somehow on the servers, causing all of them to get stuck, while 5's gang went about its business.
Honestly GM favoritism is the last thing I would expect, there are many more explanations that should be looked into first.
Hamster 1 powering the proxy that most of the [5] gang was on had steroids and was thus able to power them better... Hamster 2 that the F-E gang was on did not. Meanwhile theres Hamster 7 (he's the size of a small cow) thats powering the Jita node.
The press however are busy taking pictures of hamsters 1/2 and yelling at how its an unfair advantage while Hamster 7 just keeps on running....
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Gunsnroses
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Originally by: Xelios
Maybe it had something to do with gangs, I assume both sides had a gang going, maybe FE's gang was misplaced somehow on the servers, causing all of them to get stuck, while 5's gang went about its business.
Honestly GM favoritism is the last thing I would expect, there are many more explanations that should be looked into first.
Hamster 1 powering the proxy that most of the [5] gang was on had steroids and was thus able to power them better... Hamster 2 that the F-E gang was on did not. Meanwhile theres Hamster 7 (he's the size of a small cow) thats powering the Jita node.
The press however are busy taking pictures of hamsters 1/2 and yelling at how its an unfair advantage while Hamster 7 just keeps on running....
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