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GM Arkanon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: GM Arkanon on 11/12/2005 18:00:52
Hi everyone.
We had multiple reports of players being stuck a little over an hour ago and upon investigation, we found out that this was indeed a problem in some systems. An ingame warning was sent out to warn players away from the systems while we investigated and tried to help the stuck players. I personally jumped into one of the systems and was unable to move. Moving the players one or two systems back did not solve the problem, so in order to get the players out of there and hopefully to enable them to keep playing, we moved them to a station, which seemed to fix the problem for most of the players. We are still not sure why this happened, but this is being looked into by CCP.
Some players reported having lost fittings from the ships after being moved. We have absolutely no idea how that could have happened and it certainly had nothing to do with our actions, which were the standard moving procedure we have used since launch. If anyone lost their ship as a direct result of our actions, please file an 'Other' petition, or send us an email and we will replace them for you.
I am somewhat at a loss as to how this can be interpreted as favouritism, since we could hardly turn a blind eye to the situation. We are here to help, after all. Leaving stuck players to fend for themselves is something we have never done and I fail to see how we could ignored this situation.
FInally, would you risk your livelyhood to get ahead in an MMORPG? We are routinely accused of cheating and it's getting a bit old, frankly. I have investigated countless such claims, and none have been based on fact. Please show us the courtesy of backing up your claims with hard facts, instead of spreading unfounded gossip. Otherwise, you are in breach of our TOS and risk action against your account.
GM Arkanon
Senior Game Master
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2005.12.11 17:57:00 -
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\o/
can u investigate mine though plz :(
not that i believe its "cheating" i believe its jsut bs :|
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.12.11 17:58:00 -
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id like to ask why the5 members were uneffected by this 'crash' while every single fe member was effected |
fuze
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Posted - 2005.12.11 17:59:00 -
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Thanks for looking into this matter this quickly. |
Mangus Thermopyle
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Posted - 2005.12.11 17:59:00 -
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Well, we did get moved around and spread out, and then Five came and killed some of us WHILE we all where stuck.
So what happened really? Did the 'stuck' bug only affect F-E and not Five?
Its not like this is the first time strange things like this happen. This last incident just made us all pretty angry.
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Soulis
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Posted - 2005.12.11 17:59:00 -
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 Originally by: pershphanie
id like to ask why the5 members were uneffected by this 'crash' while every single fe member was effected
because 5 are so leet. anyways he said he got stuck too. so he must be in FE ahh wait haxors
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:00:00 -
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flaming in the head gms thread is a smart thing to do ;p?
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Oninous
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:00:00 -
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You make a valid point GM Arkanon. The question in this situation is if the F-E pilots got stuck and you got stuck how where the 5 fleet able to jump in and not only be unaffected but also able to gank someone who was stuck at the gate?
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riker
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:00:00 -
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now why was i "REMOVED" i only posted my opinion. see this is why we are ****ed. we ask and talk about things happeing and we get >CLICKED>
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Bayroo
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:01:00 -
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Hi GM
In any business, making threats to customers is not in the interets on any business trying to make money. People are only making a point to what has been seen, or heard.
Threats to ban accounts is some what the wrong thing to be posting. You need the players of eve more than they need EVE, no offence intended.
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Talthrus
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: fuze
Thanks for looking into this matter this quickly.
/signed
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: riker
now why was i "REMOVED" i only posted my opinion. see this is why we are ****ed. we ask and talk about things happeing and we get >CLICKED>
You get clicked because your post doesn't adhere to the forum rules.
Forgot what I wanted to write here... |
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Amparo
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:03:00 -
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We just wanted some sort of explanation ... how can some players be stuck and others not? ... several players managed to kill a ship in a system that other players got stuck in ... Not accusing anyone of anything here i'd just like to know how some people can be stuck and others not?
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:03:00 -
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No offense to idiots, but breaking forum rules to get attention and then expecting no consequences is just plain idiotic, you all deserve forum warnings for the way you handled your way of getting attention.
I apologize to any idiots who found it insulting to be compared to said players.
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Carth Jared
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:04:00 -
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I think 5 just got lucky in this situation tbh.
It happens and we've all endured through it. Guess its ur time now. Hope you can overcome this horrible loss inflicted to you. :/
ATUK | The 5
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danneh
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:04:00 -
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LOL at FE, The hole GM exploit 5/bob is a joke and it's retarded that your alliance believe it's true.
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Garnerius De'Nugent
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Amparo
We just wanted some sort of explanation ... how can some players be stuck and others not? ... several players managed to kill a ship in a system that other players got stuck in ... Not accusing anyone of anything here i'd just like to know how some people can be stuck and others not?
Just like how 80 .5. members got lagged out when 200 PA/NBSI/FE jumped into H-PA... how did the 200 northerns not get any lag, but 80 .5. members did? You all seem to have very short memories.
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solidshot
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:05:00 -
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although i wasnt involved in this perhaps you could answer this?
you have aparently refused to replace ships lost due to fittings going missing/lag when you have admitted there were probs there shouldnt you have investigated before automaticaly refusing? after all you have stated you went there and got stuck yourself didnt you? so there was obviously lag or some other problem going on
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C4w3
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:06:00 -
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perhaps there were bugs in the servers?
"If all the heroes are standing together around a strange device and begin to taunt me, I will pull out a conventional one. |
riker
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Eris Discordia
Originally by: riker
now why was i "REMOVED" i only posted my opinion. see this is why we are ****ed. we ask and talk about things happeing and we get >CLICKED>
You get clicked because your post doesn't adhere to the forum rules.
ok thanx eirs, iam sry if i broke some forums rules. can u link me to the rules page that i broke and i will read up and adhear to them asap.
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Eshtir
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: riker
ok thanx eirs, iam sry if i broke some forums rules. can u link me to the rules page that i broke and i will read up and adhear to them asap.
The forum rules can be found here
Yulai, we have a problem! |
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Duke North
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:09:00 -
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All that lost anything in that event should get it back without any questions from GM.
Performing the ancient and noble art of killing eachothers. |
C4w3
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Eshtir
Originally by: riker
ok thanx eirs, iam sry if i broke some forums rules. can u link me to the rules page that i broke and i will read up and adhear to them asap.
The forum rules can be found here
My hand wont let me click that link ... cant cant cant click link brain wont let me *sigh* can u read it to me IRL ;=))))
"If all the heroes are standing together around a strange device and begin to taunt me, I will pull out a conventional one. |
slothe
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:11:00 -
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personally i doubt gms are biased.
but what happened was bizarre and im not surprised due to the turn of events that it was interpreted as favouratism.
weirdness ftw
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Mangus Thermopyle
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Duke North
All that lost anything in that event should get it back without any questions from GM.
Our pilot that lost his ship while stuck in warp and killed by Five who where not stuck DID petition it. And guess who responded? Yup, the GM from Five. And guess what he said? No, you can NOT have your ship or any cash for that shiploss.
Does that sound like a neutral GM?
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DragonOfTheArmory
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Eshtir
The forum rules can be found here
May I ask which rule specifically was broken?
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Originally by: Duke North
All that lost anything in that event should get it back without any questions from GM.
Our pilot that lost his ship while stuck in warp and killed by Five who where not stuck DID petition it. And guess who responded? Yup, the GM from Five. And guess what he said? No, you can NOT have your ship or any cash for that shiploss.
Does that sound like a neutral GM?
Ehh what about the .5. that were stuck in H-PA and nothing loaded and couldnt warp got ganked and no one got reimbursed.... nice double standards there.
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ZedLey
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
id like to ask why the5 members were uneffected by this 'crash' while every single fe member was effected
Because we werent in the system?
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Garnerius De'Nugent
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Garnerius De'Nugent
You all seem to have very short memories.
There is no lag in H-PA. Even after the 100+ petitions, multiple screenshots and several FRAPS.
Funny when it happens to someone else, isn't it.
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Oninous
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Garnerius De'Nugent
Originally by: Amparo
We just wanted some sort of explanation ... how can some players be stuck and others not? ... several players managed to kill a ship in a system that other players got stuck in ... Not accusing anyone of anything here i'd just like to know how some people can be stuck and others not?
Just like how 80 .5. members got lagged out when 200 PA/NBSI/FE jumped into H-PA... how did the 200 northerns not get any lag, but 80 .5. members did? You all seem to have very short memories.
I remember this fleet battle... There was 150 ppl in local... All i saw that day was a blank screen for 30 minutes after the fight was over... but the 12 F-E that weren't looking at a blank screen said they saw one of your cargo cans warp away after they popped one of your ships LOL... We lost a few ships also. I don't get the .5. They come to fight us in our own space and complain of us blobbing...
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ZedLey
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:17:00 -
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I would also like to ask where did F-E get the idea that we logged on in 9-2?
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Lamb Chop
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:18:00 -
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We have been contacted by Arkonon and he is looking into it.
We appreciate the quick response...
All F-E is to cease posting on this subject.
LC
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GM Arkanon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:19:00 -
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There were pilots from both sides stuck in the system I was in. Mangus Thermopyle, who is the GM from 5? I remind you that you are in breach of the TOS and you are spreading unfounded and malicious gossip about something you know nothing about, since the GM who responded to the petitions is not a member of any alliance.
GM Arkanon
Senior Game Master
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: slothe
personally i doubt gms are biased.
but what happened was bizarre and im not surprised due to the turn of events that it was interpreted as favouratism.
weirdness ftw
QFT
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Garnerius De'Nugent
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Our pilot that lost his ship while stuck in warp and killed by Five who where not stuck DID petition it. And guess who responded? Yup, the GM from Five. And guess what he said? No, you can NOT have your ship or any cash for that shiploss.
Does that sound like a neutral GM?
Originally by: Oninous
I don't get the .5.
And i don't get FE.
.5. didn't get any ships back from the H-PA lagfest. FE don't get any ships back from this mess, and the GM's are biased in favour of .5.?
Education > Ranting tbh.
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Oninous
Originally by: Garnerius De'Nugent
Originally by: Amparo
We just wanted some sort of explanation ... how can some players be stuck and others not? ... several players managed to kill a ship in a system that other players got stuck in ... Not accusing anyone of anything here i'd just like to know how some people can be stuck and others not?
Just like how 80 .5. members got lagged out when 200 PA/NBSI/FE jumped into H-PA... how did the 200 northerns not get any lag, but 80 .5. members did? You all seem to have very short memories.
I remember this fleet battle... There was 150 ppl in local... All i saw that day was a blank screen for 30 minutes after the fight was over... but the 12 F-E that weren't looking at a blank screen said they saw one of your cargo cans warp away after they popped one of your ships LOL... We lost a few ships also. I don't get the .5. They come to fight us in our own space and complain of us blobbing...
a cargo can warped away?!
i gotta get me one of those :|
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:22:00 -
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My FE char wasn't affected, bad lag but didn't crash.
It was just that more F-E suffered crashes than [5].
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:23:00 -
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In retrospect I should have whined more on the forums about JV1V/Teneriffis and maybe we would have gotten such a quick response rather than the 3 months it took you to resolve that petition. 
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Oninous
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:24:00 -
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And i don't get FE.
.5. didn't get any ships back from the H-PA lagfest. FE don't get any ships back from this mess, and the GM's are biased in favour of .5.?
Education > Ranting tbh.
And your saying that F-E got back the ships they lost in the H-PA lagfest?
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Garnerius De'Nugent
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Garnerius De''Nugent on 11/12/2005 18:25:58
Originally by: Oninous
And your saying that F-E got back the ships they lost in the H-PA lagfest?
No, and that's what proves the GM's have no bias. If they did, the GM's would have shown bias towards F-E.
Originally by: GdN
Education > Ranting tbh.
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GM Wyrm
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Amparo
We just wanted some sort of explanation ... how can some players be stuck and others not? ... several players managed to kill a ship in a system that other players got stuck in ... Not accusing anyone of anything here i'd just like to know how some people can be stuck and others not?
The server works in mysterious ways my friend... GM Arkanon got stuck the second he went in there. If GM's could control who gets stuck and who doesn't, then surely we would be able to avoid getting stuck ourselves right? Some players from Five got stuck there as well.
A note on petitions. We do not issue reimbursements or even investigate reimbursement requests through stuck petitions. If you want to request reimbursement you will need to file a new petition through the Ask a Question page or send us an e-mail to [email protected].
GM Wyrm
Senior Game Master
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riker
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:32:00 -
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i did that and all i got was same old answer ." sry we cant do that" or our logs dont show" .. blah blah blah..
I would like to say thanks to GM arkanon. For taking a personal look into this. Stuff like this has gone on too long.. Thanks
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Oninous
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:35:00 -
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No, and that's what proves the GM's have no bias. If they did, the GM's would have shown bias towards F-E.
Now when did I say the GM's were biased? In all my previous posts, I stated this needed to be looked into due to the fact that re-imbursement was refused even though there was a clear indication of a bug that gave the pilots a clear disadvantage. Qoute me one post where I said any of the GM's were alts or anything related to the .5. Don't confuse my posts with other ppl's posts. It's pure BS when someone loses because of a similar situation.
Your right, the H-PA lagfest stunk. We took equal losses. We notched it up to the recent inability of the server to manage significant sized fleet battles. Neither side complained because we knew the issue. In this case we just contested the denial of re-imbursement due to the obvious one sided disadvantage of 13 F-E pilots being stuck, scattered, relieved of their drones and ammo. On top of that, 12+ .5. pilots were able to log on 2 system over, hop in fast frigs, jump into the system and attack a "stuck" ship in a system on a "crashed node". To cap it off, we didn't get a pop-up warning window until the pilot was in a pod.
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n00b script0r
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:36:00 -
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Whats all this silly talk about 5 having GM's help us  
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thedragoon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:37:00 -
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I put in a complaint and you never got back to me... to be honest your GAME HAS alot of buggs and your gm's are rude at best.....
Please look into the one i still have open that 20 people saw and no reply...
To be frank your responce of people accusing in cheating of "getting old" is another sighn of your bad responce to a paying comunity and poor customer service will remain to be an issue if your GM's are not being sent on training to enhance your customer service....
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thedragoon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: n00b script0r
Edited by: n00b script0r on 11/12/2005 18:37:33
Whats all this silly talk about 5 having GM's help us
p.s.
We dont have GM's we have devs 
From what i have seen in the game i can quite belive it.
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Bayroo
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: thedragoon
I put in a complaint and you never got back to me... to be honest your GAME HAS alot of buggs and your gm's are rude at best.....
Please look into the one i still have open that 20 people saw and no reply...
To be frank your responce of people accusing in cheating of "getting old" is another sighn of your bad responce to a paying comunity and poor customer service will remain to be an issue if your GM's are not being sent on training to enhance your customer service....
signed 
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Mangus Thermopyle
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: GM Arkanon
Mangus Thermopyle, who is the GM from 5? I remind you that you are in breach of the TOS and you are spreading unfounded and malicious gossip about something you know nothing about, since the GM who responded to the petitions is not a member of any alliance.
Well, ofcoure the GM is not member of any alliance, but he has 'normal' players in Five. And I am not going to tell his name since that would probably get me banned. I am sure you can find the petition yourself.
If I am wrong I apologize, but I dont think I am.
Besides: how can we complain about biased GMs if we cant talk about what they did?
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Frank Dashwood
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: thedragoon
I put in a complaint and you never got back to me... to be honest your GAME HAS alot of buggs and your gm's are rude at best.....
Please look into the one i still have open that 20 people saw and no reply...
To be frank your responce of people accusing in cheating of "getting old" is another sighn of your bad responce to a paying comunity and poor customer service will remain to be an issue if your GM's are not being sent on training to enhance your customer service....
Never thought i'd say this guy is right 
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GM Wyrm
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: GM Wyrm on 11/12/2005 18:44:08
Originally by: thedragoon
I put in a complaint and you never got back to me... to be honest your GAME HAS alot of buggs and your gm's are rude at best.....
Please look into the one i still have open that 20 people saw and no reply...
Where did you file that? Do you have the incident # for it? I can't find an open petition on your account....
GM Wyrm
Senior Game Master
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Garnerius De'Nugent
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:45:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Oninous
Now when did I say the GM's were biased? blah blah blah....
Errr.... you didn't. Whatsmore, I never said you did 
Re-read my post (numbered 35 in this thread) and maybe think to yourself that i've quoted more than one person. Maybe think to yourself that i wasn't actually aiming my comments at you.
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Oninous
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:48:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Garnerius De'Nugent
Originally by: Oninous
Now when did I say the GM's were biased? blah blah blah....
Errr.... you didn't. Whatsmore, I never said you did
Re-read my post (numbered 35 in this thread) and maybe think to yourself that i've quoted more than one person. Maybe think to yourself that i wasn't actually aiming my comments at you.
And yet you keep quoting me and posting.... >.>
Not typical for somone to respond to comments regarding a post they quoted?
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MalaMo
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:49:00 -
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I read lot about something ppl call Customer Support ... What is that if I may ask ? 
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Tiwaz
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Tiwaz on 11/12/2005 18:51:00
ccp should remove this tread now.
Complaints about GM's should be petitioned, but not discussed here.
tiwaz
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Garnerius De'Nugent
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: Garnerius De''Nugent on 11/12/2005 18:51:15
Originally by: Oninous
And yet you keep quoting me and posting.... >.>
Not typical for somone to respond to comments regarding a post they quoted?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=irony
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Eversor
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:52:00 -
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I would still appreciate it, if CCP in all its fairmindedness would create a list
of all characters created and used by CCP employees and its subcontractors, and post it somewhere in the forums. I think if it was a policy by CCP to make sure that its employees needed to report on who their characters are it would help a long ways to dispose of these allegations.
signed
/Eversor
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GM Arkanon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:52:00 -
[57]
Originally by: MalaMo
I read lot about something ppl call Customer Support ... What is that if I may ask ?
Customer support are the GMs, who responded to your two stuck petitions and the seven emails you have sent to us.
GM Arkanon
Senior Game Master
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:52:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Tiuwaz on 11/12/2005 18:55:18
I do not think that spamming the forum as was done by F-E was exactly the right way to go. Neither do i think that GM's are favourising anyone. But then ppl were very agitated aswell.
To the GM's:
By no doubts you get tired of acusations but you also have to view it from the view of the ordinary player as in this case.
Fleet gets stuck. Petitions are issued. Ppl get moved into random systems without ammo/drones. At nearly same time ATUK rushes in, seamingly unaffected to the FE pilots. F-E pilots either stuck moved or without ammo. ATUK happy shooting. FE pilot petitions for reimbursment and gets told that you hope he'll recover from his unfortunate losss soon.
They are not in your shoes who see a bigger picture, they dont know 100% of all info. but can only judge formn what they experience. If you are surprised that some of those pilots got suspicious or openly blamed for favourism, well you shouldnt be. While I dont think its justified against the GM's, you should be prepared for such incidents. They happened in the past and they'll happen in the future. The normal Eve pilot that gets affected by such things ,only can judge from what he experiences and takes that as his proof.
to the h-pa comparison:
you cant compare those 2 incidents, they are too different with the main point being there was no GM's involved
h-pa would have been compareable when it went like that:
our fleet goes to 9-2, the lag makes all atuk stuck in h-pa and petition, GM reacts fast and put the ATUK members into different systems/places in h-pa without ammo/drones
then F-E jumps in kills some who are still stuck or got moved there without ammo/drones
if that happened then it would be comparable
and yes i do think that lag sucks and all ships that day at h-pa should have gotten reimbursed, still dont compare those 2, they are a different situation
Edit: typos, and wtf c o c kpit is a censored word? lol
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Yolan
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:53:00 -
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FE members please refrain from making any more post on this topic. We will let the GM's carry out their investigations and then discuss it internally,
Thank you
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Endeva
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:55:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Oninous
Originally by: Garnerius De'Nugent
Originally by: Amparo
We just wanted some sort of explanation ... how can some players be stuck and others not? ... several players managed to kill a ship in a system that other players got stuck in ... Not accusing anyone of anything here i'd just like to know how some people can be stuck and others not?
Just like how 80 .5. members got lagged out when 200 PA/NBSI/FE jumped into H-PA... how did the 200 northerns not get any lag, but 80 .5. members did? You all seem to have very short memories.
I remember this fleet battle... There was 150 ppl in local... All i saw that day was a blank screen for 30 minutes after the fight was over... but the 12 F-E that weren't looking at a blank screen said they saw one of your cargo cans warp away after they popped one of your ships LOL... We lost a few ships also. I don't get the .5. They come to fight us in our own space and complain of us blobbing...
knoe what this is very funny.you are the one complaining about we blobing you guys all the time.and as i remember you declare war on us? why didnt you come to curse? we come to you in you home sys.and the funniest part is you didnt know OUR CEO week ago but you know that we have GM in alliace.this is all just lame excuses for war because at the end of war you will blame ccp for your surender to us.i also lose some ship beacuse of laging and stuck and i dont whine on forums like you guys(every ppl in eve lose ship beacsuse of laging and stuck and dont make silly post).know what better surender now to me because this is good moment so you can blame you didint lose war beacuse of us.and its not like you lose one BS to us you lose aloot
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Serkis
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:04:00 -
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I might be off topic...but to all GM alts I like to say: The Funkalistic is recruiting!
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MalaMo
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:05:00 -
[62]
Originally by: GM Arkanon
Originally by: MalaMo
I read lot about something ppl call Customer Support ... What is that if I may ask ?
Customer support are the GMs, who responded to your two stuck petitions and the seven emails you have sent to us.
LoL 
Nice ppl shouldn't be GM's.
/me waves to GM Arkanor.
P.s.
I dont want to comment about their respons becouse its agaisnt the rules !? 
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Kalixa Hihro
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:06:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Kalixa Hihro on 11/12/2005 19:06:03
Originally by: Amparo
... how can some players be stuck and others not? ... several players managed to kill a ship in a system that other players got stuck in ...
I've gotten stuck in a gate with other players when the rest of the fleet I was running with, and our enemies, didn't. I could see this being entirely possible for one to n players. From a neutral point of view, this is very plausible. It's happened to me, last week! Stuff happens... I was lucky enough to be able to relog a few times and I got out of gate, without losing my ship, so I didn't need intervention.
I think since CCP are reimbursing ships and have effectively said "Something weird occurred, we're sorry this happened and will do our best to fix it." and are backing this up with their actions... it might be time to let it go. It doesn't fix the killboards, but at least you are getting your ships back.
The GM's are doing the best job they can. It's hardly possible for them to prevent system issues or whatever happened before they occur. They work really hard to help us players when stuff happens. I think we should assume they are trying to help us, not hurt us, and give them the benefit of the doubt.
-Kal
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:07:00 -
[64]
Originally by: GM Wyrm
Edited by: GM Wyrm on 11/12/2005 18:44:08
Originally by: thedragoon
I put in a complaint and you never got back to me... to be honest your GAME HAS alot of buggs and your gm's are rude at best.....
Please look into the one i still have open that 20 people saw and no reply...
Where did you file that? Do you have the incident # for it? I can't find an open petition on your account....
can u ask the forums mods to reply to my email pls ><
i replied a few weeks ago, and just sent another one :| cause i would like to no an answer for it plz
thx in advance
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Darkrydar
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:07:00 -
[65]
To be honest, now would be a good time fo the leaders of F-E to stand up and ask their pilots to calm down. I have no vested interst in your well being, but your behavior is pretty poor atm. I know when bad things happened to [5] after the GM's CCP responded we didnt continue to publicly slag them off.
Show some respect...
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:10:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Dao 2
can u ask the forums mods to reply to my email pls ><
i replied a few weeks ago, and just sent another one :| cause i would like to no an answer for it plz
thx in advance
Our mail is broken. We will post when it is back up.
If you haven't received a reply within a day or so of our mail being back up, please resend.
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:12:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Dao 2
can u ask the forums mods to reply to my email pls ><
i replied a few weeks ago, and just sent another one :| cause i would like to no an answer for it plz
thx in advance
Our mail is broken. We will post when it is back up.
If you haven't received a reply within a day or so of our mail being back up, please resend.
cool thx
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super4lt
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:21:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Originally by: GM Arkanon
Mangus Thermopyle, who is the GM from 5? I remind you that you are in breach of the TOS and you are spreading unfounded and malicious gossip about something you know nothing about, since the GM who responded to the petitions is not a member of any alliance.
Well, ofcoure the GM is not member of any alliance, but he has 'normal' players in Five. And I am not going to tell his name since that would probably get me banned. I am sure you can find the petition yourself.
If I am wrong I apologize, but I dont think I am.
Besides: how can we complain about biased GMs if we cant talk about what they did?
mummy how comes bad things happen?
Thats just how life is child.
Super4lt is here to let yall know what time it is
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Tenebrion
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:25:00 -
[69]
Lol, forum war at it's best .
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:28:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Amthrianius on 11/12/2005 19:28:54
Right, so you lose 1 bs which had ammo and drones and your whining like its the end of the world......
Get a grip, 9-2 > Q-CAB is the buggiest route in eve, we have had tonnes of multiple person disconnects jumping into 3a1p especially. I would think this is more a node issue than any GM bias.
Caps lock and repetition dont make your lies truthes.
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Wrangler
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:30:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Tenebrion
Lol, forum war at it's best .
Yup, I don't get why people doesn't believe us when we say we have forum PvP.
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:37:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: Tenebrion
Lol, forum war at it's best .
Yup, I don't get why people doesn't believe us when we say we have forum PvP.
Wish there were 0.0 forums tho, damn concord *er i mean ISD* on these ones :(
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Ronin Hybonashi
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:44:00 -
[73]
Where did the post I made about how to properly report a complaint against a gm. It should not have been moved or deleted. Infact it should of been pinned to stop all this from happening on the forum again.
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Abdalion
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:48:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Ronin Hybonashi
Where did the post I made about how to properly report a complaint against a gm. It should not have been moved or deleted. Infact it should of been pinned to stop all this from happening on the forum again.
It got deleted with all the other posts.
Although I appreciated you posting that when you did, it is still considered a redundant post, as the rules are clearly available to all forum users. It remained for a little while, anyway.
Let's not discuss moderation any more. Please?
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thedragoon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:49:00 -
[75]
Originally by: GM Wyrm
Edited by: GM Wyrm on 11/12/2005 18:44:08
Originally by: thedragoon
I put in a complaint and you never got back to me... to be honest your GAME HAS alot of buggs and your gm's are rude at best.....
Please look into the one i still have open that 20 people saw and no reply...
Where did you file that? Do you have the incident # for it? I can't find an open petition on your account....
I will dig it out let me log in and speak with my corp m8ts and iorn that was with us at that time...
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Jherek Cornelian
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:51:00 -
[76]
Originally by: The Enslaver
My FE char wasn't affected, bad lag but didn't crash.
It was just that more F-E suffered crashes than [5].
Back in the Foundation days I was in the 5 fleet and in the Foundation fleet when we had that massive lag battle (I've forgotten which system). Both my chars lost a ship.
On the 5 forums I was told to petition. I did and got my ship back. Guess what happened when I petitioned my foundation character..
I've kinda learnt to live with the fact that for poor old Jherek it will always be an uphill battle
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super4lt
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:52:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: Tenebrion
Lol, forum war at it's best .
Yup, I don't get why people doesn't believe us when we say we have forum PvP.
Dont leave this thread....the main index is heavily camped.
Super4lt is here to let yall know what time it is
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thedragoon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:53:00 -
[78]
Originally by: thedragoon
Originally by: GM Wyrm
Edited by: GM Wyrm on 11/12/2005 18:44:08
Originally by: thedragoon
I put in a complaint and you never got back to me... to be honest your GAME HAS alot of buggs and your gm's are rude at best.....
Please look into the one i still have open that 20 people saw and no reply...
Where did you file that? Do you have the incident # for it? I can't find an open petition on your account....
I will dig it out let me log in and speak with my corp m8ts and iorn that was with us at that time...
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Darko1107
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Posted - 2005.12.11 20:08:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: Tenebrion
Lol, forum war at it's best .
Yup, I don't get why people doesn't believe us when we say we have forum PvP.
Your a make of Jeans :)
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Ushima Koranaki
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Posted - 2005.12.11 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Amthrianius Right, so you lose 1 bs which had ammo and drones and your whining like its the end of the world.......[/quote
No offense matey but u have not read the whole of it, or heard wrong. My ship that was destroyed (yes that scorp was me) had indeed ammo and drones yes, tho it was the very same ship sitting stuck at gate for 30 minutes, with no reply to the petition until shot down. I was unable to move and showed cloaked on screen all the time, since it jumped into system and got stuck just like every single F-E fleet member in those systems. I could move again after i was destroyed and warped out with pod-logout. Then still had no reply at all by GMs. I filed a message after that stating that due to the over 30 minutes wait on the stuck petition not having a reply even, hostiles beeing able to move and us not, i lost this ship and asked for reimbursement. All i saw was empty local and 5. members jump in on me stuck at gate showing myself still claoked and my shield drop. Dont you think i wouldve jammed the incomers in my E-WAr scorpion and get the heeeaall outa there, if i had been able to even see you or move?
Then i got the usualy reply by the enough mentioned GM saying nothing more than following:There's no harm in taking that request under consideration, but you need to file it through "ask a question" on www.eve-online.com, please, or as a mail to [email protected]. Feel free to reference this "stuck" petition there.
Note that this was the very same GM making those weird stuck moves but we had enough talk about that already.
Right after this the general area warning popped up for the affected systems and i got move to d7-zac in my pod.
Now i ask you couldnt that have been done 3 minutes earlier?
Or the system just simply traffic locked?
According to TS noone was moved after the first moves to systems that were aperantly also messed up. I also heard of 1 or 2 people not getting a response either for around 20 minutes. The moved ones nearby shouted out that they mostly had no more drones and/or ammo loaded and in cargo after move. A thing that wasnt known to any of us to happen at a move cause it shouldnt happen.
This whole thing also is not about losing a BsŠs isk, its the whole situation that brought all this. And you all know its not the first time. Either thru bug, node burps or things that have been mentioned already.. Its NOT a thing to be taken on lightly and just HAS to be sorted out in detail by any means, to eradicate such things out of eve for all our sakes, be it friend or foe. Period.
To the GMs just making threats over and over trying to choke this off.. plz remember ureselfs about the contracts you have with CCP. No offense, just meant friendly for the sake of Eve. And yes i agree, this has been kinda escalating more as it ever should have.
-Regards, Ushima Koranaki
Divine Retribution
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slip66
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Posted - 2005.12.11 20:33:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Eversor
I would still appreciate it, if CCP in all its fairmindedness would create a list
of all characters created and used by CCP employees and its subcontractors, and post it somewhere in the forums. I think if it was a policy by CCP to make sure that its employees needed to report on who their characters are it would help a long ways to dispose of these allegations.
signed
/Eversor
Come on.. are you nuts? They already know who thier characters are. No one else playing this games needs to know that info.
Lag and server issues happens to everyone at one time or another. There are allways times where something happens to someone in system but doesnt happen to everyone else.
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fisty
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Posted - 2005.12.11 20:39:00 -
[82]
if something unexplainable happens u shouldnt jump to conlusion even if it seems you have enough information to do so!
that is for everything not only this matter...
well my little comment on the situation...aint saying someone is at fault, when there is a argument, usually there are 2 ore more involved :D
ciao
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Fairchild
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Posted - 2005.12.11 20:44:00 -
[83]
This is hilarious
I hate FE and [5] so i don't care who wins
But let me make one thing clear, everytime u make sum stupid accusation of GM favouring a alliance or player u are threatening sumones livlyhood and if u can do that with a clear concience u need to get off this game and take a long hard look at yourself and your personality, dont ***** everytime sumone or sumthing buggers uo and u get owned, either of u
IM NO MOD OR GM
but ill say this again, if u can in clear concience without hard evidence put a man/womens life/job in jeporday
shame on you, fromn the bottom of my heart, shame on you
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Edoo
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Posted - 2005.12.11 20:56:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Fairchild
This is hilarious
I hate FE and [5] so i don't care who wins
But let me make one thing clear, everytime u make sum stupid accusation of GM favouring a alliance or player u are threatening sumones livlyhood and if u can do that with a clear concience u need to get off this game and take a long hard look at yourself and your personality, dont ***** everytime sumone or sumthing buggers uo and u get owned, either of u
IM NO MOD OR GM
but ill say this again, if u can in clear concience without hard evidence put a man/womens life/job in jeporday
shame on you, fromn the bottom of my heart, shame on you
Shame on you for implying that a GM should keep his job if he is corrupt.
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Kickass
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Posted - 2005.12.11 20:58:00 -
[85]
The number of incidents where the "customer service" department did any thing but "customer service" in this game is insulting. And I am just speaking from my own personal experience.
I must have had 30 stuck petitions in the same amount of days since the last patch, and the "customer service" department still denies that the pvp timer black screen exhists.
One of my favorites was when I was black screened for 1.5 hours with hostiles in local, and the best part was my ship would not vanish from space. I filled petitions with the stuck character, and the GM thought it would be cute to "REPLY" to the stuck character instead of just unsticking.
After about 30 mins I had a friend file a stuck petition, the same GM just insisted that the "stuck" character reply to his petition, and closed the petition filled by my friend. My friend then proceded to file another stuck petition, which got the same reply. This went on for another 40 mins and probably 5 petitions.
Finaly at the end the GM said to file a petition with one of the stuck characters alts which was done. And finaly after 1.5 hours the account was moved next door and unstuck. The best part was after the char got unstuck I read the reply and it said to clear the cache folder, and it will fix the problem. Do you honestly believe a server side problem has anything to do with my cache folder? BTW the first thing I do when I get stuck is clear my cache folder and it NEVER does anything.
Ok so now after all this my friend replies to the GM and asks him why it took soo long and so much effort to just fix this stuck character and that when ever he has the problem it instantly gets fixed with no hastle within 5 mins. At this point the GM started to threaten my friend that he was implying favoritism. My friend being who he is would not take that from anyone let alone some GM in eve, replied and called his bluff. At which point the GM filled an OFFICIAL WARNING, whatever that means.
Now if this isn't "customer service" I dont know what is.
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thedragoon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 21:22:00 -
[86]
Heinky has the Details I am waitingt for him to post .....
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Christopher Scott
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Posted - 2005.12.11 21:36:00 -
[87]
Wow, such a flame potent thread that discusses GM actions. Usually these get locked in 5 seconds.
Apparently this one is not only stickied, but features GMs debating over their own actions taken.
Is today supposed to be opposite day? Should I wear my right shoe on my left foot? 
I love this thread.
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super4lt
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Posted - 2005.12.11 21:45:00 -
[88]
Edited by: super4lt on 11/12/2005 21:45:12
Originally by: thedragoon
Heinky has the Details I am waitingt for him to post .....
The rest of us are NOT!
This was ment to be a thread where the GM's let people know how things were and not a personal contest about who lost most milk and*****ies.
Super4lt is here to let yall know what time it is
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.12.11 21:47:00 -
[89]
Is it posible to write to ccp directly?
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PaulAtreides
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Posted - 2005.12.11 21:48:00 -
[90]
Sounds like everyone is interprating the story from their own pov. Also, if you don't believe in dumb luck/chance you have not read enough Douglas Adams books. In space... it happens more than you could possibly imagine.
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Pehova Mindtriq
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Posted - 2005.12.11 21:55:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Jherek Cornelian
Originally by: The Enslaver
My FE char wasn't affected, bad lag but didn't crash.
It was just that more F-E suffered crashes than [5].
Back in the Foundation days I was in the 5 fleet and in the Foundation fleet when we had that massive lag battle (I've forgotten which system). Both my chars lost a ship.
On the 5 forums I was told to petition. I did and got my ship back. Guess what happened when I petitioned my foundation character..
I've kinda learnt to live with the fact that for poor old Jherek it will always be an uphill battle
Why would you have a character in each fleet? Makes as much sense as doing a 1vs1 by yourself or did i miss something?
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Darpz
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:01:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq
Originally by: Jherek Cornelian
Originally by: The Enslaver
My FE char wasn't affected, bad lag but didn't crash.
It was just that more F-E suffered crashes than [5].
Back in the Foundation days I was in the 5 fleet and in the Foundation fleet when we had that massive lag battle (I've forgotten which system). Both my chars lost a ship.
On the 5 forums I was told to petition. I did and got my ship back. Guess what happened when I petitioned my foundation character..
I've kinda learnt to live with the fact that for poor old Jherek it will always be an uphill battle
Why would you have a character in each fleet? Makes as much sense as doing a 1vs1 by yourself or did i miss something?
prolly should of read on of his chars was a spy in the 5 fleet
Originally by: TomB
Originally by: Darpz
Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi
CCP will nerf this probably, but hey, worth a try
so your saying I should of kept my mouth shut?
Yup.
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Stan D'marco
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:07:00 -
[93]
This is so silly. Sounds like you never been in a proper fleet batle before. I've had this happend to me 2-3 times. Mostly against G and Iron. I recognize all the leads you describe here. I was looking at freezed ships on the screen, I could not activate modules while the enemies who jumped in could move freely and kill everything.
Honorable enough G let us get our people out so we could continue another day. It took 45 minutes until all of us could log back in again. When we petition as "node overload" we never get our ships back from the regular GM's, we just have to let them escalate to a senior GM. It usually takes a week to get all ships back depending on how many were lost etc.
I can't recall anyone accusing G for GM h4xx0rz because they and Iron could move but we who already were in system couldn't. But then again we are so used to this happening that we never filed stuck petitions.
To me this whole thing sounds like good old node overload lag. It comes with the game and you can usually pick up symptoms before it happends. E.g. as your mates getting emergency warp outs at gates, it takes forever to load next system etc. Nothing you can do about it but to cancel the op or move to a different region and fight.
It looks to me that this was caused by inexperience on how EVE can behave during large battles and chance that put you on the recieving end this time (again you might add, but still you can bet on red at roulette and get black ten times in a row: chance). A bet your alliance chat was filled with screaming fleet nublets demanding an explanation etc. and it all turned into a stampede.
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Trey Azagthoth
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:16:00 -
[94]
/me sits back and chuckles...
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Dracorimus
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:21:00 -
[95]
Damn what a mess...
It's called lag, we all know of it, we all hate it, it happens... get over it and move on..
There is no need for GM's to have to post to justify their actions at all, this is actually terrible really, I mean what the hell are you guys complaining about ? That some people got stuck and got moved ? And you yell that its 5 having a GM in their ranks or BoB whenever we have a decision in our favor, I mean JESUS CHRIST, it's a game, we all die, we all lose stuff, we all get stuck from time to time and get moved, whats the BIG DEAL ?
Pathetic, I am sorry for the GM who had to post this cos some people throw false accusations and immediately screaming sploit or HAX or favoritism....
Respect to GM Arkanon tbfh...
Draco
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Stan D'marco
This is so silly. Sounds like you never been in a proper fleet batle before. I've had this happend to me 2-3 times. Mostly against G and Iron. I recognize all the leads you describe here. I was looking at freezed ships on the screen, I could not activate modules while the enemies who jumped in could move freely and kill everything.
Honorable enough G let us get our people out so we could continue another day. It took 45 minutes until all of us could log back in again. When we petition as "node overload" we never get our ships back from the regular GM's, we just have to let them escalate to a senior GM. It usually takes a week to get all ships back depending on how many were lost etc.
I can't recall anyone accusing G for GM h4xx0rz because they and Iron could move but we who already were in system couldn't. But then again we are so used to this happening that we never filed stuck petitions.
To me this whole thing sounds like good old node overload lag. It comes with the game and you can usually pick up symptoms before it happends. E.g. as your mates getting emergency warp outs at gates, it takes forever to load next system etc. Nothing you can do about it but to cancel the op or move to a different region and fight.
It looks to me that this was caused by inexperience on how EVE can behave during large battles and chance that put you on the recieving end this time (again you might add, but still you can bet on red at roulette and get black ten times in a row: chance). A bet your alliance chat was filled with screaming fleet nublets demanding an explanation etc. and it all turned into a stampede.
Was there that day, it sucked. Quoted for truth.
Get over it.
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CherryT
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:38:00 -
[97]
2 people from FE have requested FE memebrs stop replying, yet people are still replying from FE.
lol, oh well.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:40:00 -
[98]
Originally by: GM Arkanon
FInally, would you risk your livelyhood to get ahead in an MMORPG? We are routinely accused of cheating and it's getting a bit old, frankly. I have investigated countless such claims, and none have been based on fact. Please show us the courtesy of backing up your claims with hard facts, instead of spreading unfounded gossip. Otherwise, you are in breach of our TOS and risk action against your account.
Some would, and some have. And youre well aware of this.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:50:00 -
[99]
Ok, people.
It is time to end this childishness.
NOONE IS BEING FAVOURED BY GM'S OR CCP IN EVE, friggin end of story !
What I want to know, is wether every single player that openly accused other players of hacking, cheating and/or exploiting will get an immediate warning on the forums, if not an ingame warning for abuse from this point on.
I honestly am sick and tired of the silly accusations flying around whenever something crappy happens to the server and one side suffers mroe then another.
Everyone has had this happen at one point or another, yet only some of us keep going on about it being the result of cheating or exploiting or favouritism.
Stop being ridiculous and childish, start behaving like an adult ffs.
oh, I'm serious about those warnings btw, emotions have never been an excuse for breaking the rules, so why make an exception for this idiocy ? If an GM dignifies this behaviour with a reply, then please dignify my question with one as well...
Why aren't these people being warned ?
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Power to the players !
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:00:00 -
[100]
honestly i would not stand up for ccp if FE actually took a major knockout, lost dozends of ships and the gm actually did nothing.
However the fella did try to help, started moving ppl 1 by 1 (which might take some time so sucks if youre the last in the row) and finally got it "fixed".
However reading those accusations, answer me a simple question. IF anyone would be a gm, would he abuse his power to make ppl he favours score -1- t1 fitted battleship kill while he moves the rest of the fleet ?
Im not touching the reimbruisement thingy, ive been dissappointed by it every time a bug or lag made me die so i cant say im really favoured but accusing the gms is just plain silly. Especially with the major advantage gained at hand.... lol ?
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GM Arkanon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:12:00 -
[101]
Originally by: w0rmy
Some would, and some have. And youre well aware of this.
And what does that prove? Nothing, that's what. I am aware of some scandals happening in other games a long time ago, but I can't see what that has to do with us and certainly not why the actions of some other GMs, years ago and continents away should reflect on us, or give you the right to imply that we are dishonest people.
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Why aren't these people being warned ?
We do warn people for breaking the TOS and as already established, slandering the GMs is a breach of the TOS.
GM Arkanon
Senior Game Master
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Tresienne
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:16:00 -
[102]
There is a serious issue with how eve handles large numbers of players in a system and what happens when another large group enters that same system. That needs to be looked at properly and then fixed once and for all.
Whether it gets spread across more nodes, or whatever technology is needed, please do it. The faster the better. In fact I would prefer that was sorted before we got new stuff in test (but that's just my preference).
And perhaps it could also be applied to the busy systems in empire so that we don't get lag just because there are 300-400 or more players in local.
Otherwise what is the point in showing us a link of some new piece of cool hardware that is mega-fast if we are still getting stuck and suffering from lag when in a busy system?
PS - please don't nerf busy systems again, instead work out how to fix it so that systems can have 600+ players in them with no lag. Afterall, we want eve to keep growing so it needs to be able to handle 600+, 1000+ in a system.
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Balazs Simon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:18:00 -
[103]
Originally by: GM Arkanon
Originally by: w0rmy
Some would, and some have. And youre well aware of this.
And what does that prove? Nothing, that's what. I am aware of some scandals happening in other games a long time ago, but I can't see what that has to do with us and certainly not why the actions of some other GMs, years ago and continents away should reflect on us, or give you the right to imply that we are dishonest people.
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Why aren't these people being warned ?
We do warn people for breaking the TOS and as already established, slandering the GMs is a breach of the TOS.
Your repply made me more paranoid than the post you quoted... you just admitted there were something... something big and bad...
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C4w3
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:33:00 -
[104]
This actually made me stay up and watch the daily FE soap tv show.... the topic and headlines are ....... HAXPLOITES .......
I say Ban bat, nerf bat and a GM as tactical officer in my tempest.
U made urself look even more stupid if that is possible FE
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Kirin
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:34:00 -
[105]
I guess some ppl have no idea how source code on a program of this nature works. "IF" a GM was to do something in favor of another member, corporation, alliance (to include his/her own) such context within the game system would be flagged and most assuredly recorded and/or noticed by the developers. Thus this would assuredly get reported to whomever is in management of the GM team and thus assuredly get issues brought forth between the two parties.
Now then to accuse GM's of doing things to favor their game play (taking into consideration CCP even allows GM's themselves to have chars in game)and deny the fact that CCP does not have rules and regulations within their own system to prevent such, would be well...asinine to be honest.
The game has issues, yes we as customers/players of said game have a right to report said issues, yes. The GM's are obligated to respond to us and attempt to address these issues in a professional and courteous manner, yes. But to accuse a "professional" that is attempting to do his/her job to the best of their ability and assist 16000+ ppl across the world with issues in a virtual world is sort of like an old saying I've seen time and time again...
"Arguing on the internet is like the Special Olympics, even if you win your still a retard"
Leave the GM staff alone, leave the forum moderators alone, leave the developers alone. If you have issues take it up with them privately. If that isn't good enough, then canmcel your acct and log the hell off the game. No one forces you to play the bloody thing after all.
Remember the toes you step on today are still connected to the arse you may have to kiss tomorrow.
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Freya Selene
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:45:00 -
[106]
My respect to the GM's for solving the mather as they did.
While CCP and its whole team trying there best effort in making Eve as it is today the community so easy forgets in rage when little trouble accurse.
Nothing worse for dedicated man that try to do there job a 110% and gething accused of falls accusations just becouse they (the accuser) didnt had any gain out of it.
My respect.
Freya Selene.
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The Slayer
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:48:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Kirin
stuff
/signed.
Please all be aware that the opinions of the more vocal minority of F-E is not that of us all. Keep up the good job GM's.
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:52:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Balazs Simon
Your repply made me more paranoid than the post you quoted... you just admitted there were something... something big and bad...
?
Originally by: GM Arkanon
And what does that prove? Nothing, that's what. I am aware of some scandals happening in other games a long time ago, [...]
Added some emphasis to the GM Arknanon quote there for you, Balazs.
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Yock Fuu
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Posted - 2005.12.12 00:01:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Yock Fuu on 12/12/2005 00:01:10
the tinfoil hat brigade is strong in this thread
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Levin Cavil
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Posted - 2005.12.12 00:47:00 -
[110]
Originally by: GM Arkanon
Originally by: MalaMo
I read lot about something ppl call Customer Support ... What is that if I may ask ?
Customer support are the GMs, who responded to your two stuck petitions and the seven emails you have sent to us.
Isn't revealing his number of petitons/E-mails and CCP's resonce to them a breach of the TOS?
I can say that I wouldn't appreciate you revealing the number of petitons I've filed along with the results.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2005.12.12 00:49:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Wrangler
Originally by: Tenebrion
Lol, forum war at it's best .
Yup, I don't get why people doesn't believe us when we say we have forum PvP.
Because you guys cheat and just lock/delete anything that takes your fancy of course ..
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Vanamonde
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:15:00 -
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BLOCKQUOTE font class=quote size=9px face= Verdana img src= /images/icon_quote_message.gif border= 0 b Originally by: /b i MOOstradamus /i hr height=1 noshade Because you guys cheat and just lock/delete anything that takes your fancy of course .. hr height=1 noshade /font /BLOCKQUOTE br br We just enforce the rules MOO. Therefore our fancy is laid out in plain sight here: a href= http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/forumrules.asp target= _blank http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/forumrules.asp /a OMG, TEH FORUMS HAVE RULES?!?!?
Please refrain from discussing moderation any further.
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Gunsnroses
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:16:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Tiwaz
Edited by: Tiwaz on 11/12/2005 18:51:00
ccp should remove this tread now.
Complaints about GM's should be petitioned, but not discussed here.
tiwaz
No this shoudl be an open forum. The customer service in this game is absolute ****.
To not have that in the public eye, is to have it swept under the rug and forgotten.
Countless people have lost ships and items to bugs, sometimes not even in combat.
I've had an escrow disapear with 150million in minerals, and i got the same basic reply.
Sorry, We're rude ass mofos, and we wont admit theres a bug that cost you harm.
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Tiberius Caesar
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:29:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Levin Cavil
Originally by: GM Arkanon
Originally by: MalaMo
I read lot about something ppl call Customer Support ... What is that if I may ask ?
Customer support are the GMs, who responded to your two stuck petitions and the seven emails you have sent to us.
Isn't revealing his number of petitons/E-mails and CCP's resonce to them a breach of the TOS?
I can say that I wouldn't appreciate you revealing the number of petitons I've filed along with the results.
So, GM's should just have to accept insult's an innuendo's questioning their integerty and not be able to respond?
Scum is as Scum does...
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:31:00 -
[115]
IF you blob expect lag and it can go either way do you really think a GM can start up a lag machine for only certain players?Dont be bleedin rediculas they used to say the same about CA in the old days, 1)why would they in the first place , there isnt any motive as the mans said in teh post, 2)there isnt any possible way of doing it without serious management of working out which connections to screw with... eitherway its simply not gonna happen deal with it and next time maybe go for fast moving small fleets opposed to slow blob warring which kills the server.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:31:00 -
[116]
Maybe it had something to do with gangs, I assume both sides had a gang going, maybe FE's gang was misplaced somehow on the servers, causing all of them to get stuck, while 5's gang went about its business.
Honestly GM favoritism is the last thing I would expect, there are many more explanations that should be looked into first.
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Woot.
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Tiberius Caesar
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:32:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Gunsnroses
Originally by: Tiwaz
Edited by: Tiwaz on 11/12/2005 18:51:00
ccp should remove this tread now.
Complaints about GM's should be petitioned, but not discussed here.
tiwaz
No this shoudl be an open forum. The customer service in this game is absolute ****.
To not have that in the public eye, is to have it swept under the rug and forgotten.
Countless people have lost ships and items to bugs, sometimes not even in combat.
I've had an escrow disapear with 150million in minerals, and i got the same basic reply.
Sorry, We're rude ass mofos, and we wont admit theres a bug that cost you harm.
You probably escrowed it wrong and to ake up for your own mistake tried blamign the game.
Once upon a time there was a guy called Heff. He accused CCP of covering up bugs and stuff and it was all a LIE. Most old timers that arent too blinkered will give the benefit of the doubt the CCP/GM's.
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Gunsnroses
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:33:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Tiberius Caesar
Originally by: Gunsnroses
Originally by: Tiwaz
Edited by: Tiwaz on 11/12/2005 18:51:00
ccp should remove this tread now.
Complaints about GM's should be petitioned, but not discussed here.
tiwaz
No this shoudl be an open forum. The customer service in this game is absolute ****.
To not have that in the public eye, is to have it swept under the rug and forgotten.
Countless people have lost ships and items to bugs, sometimes not even in combat.
I've had an escrow disapear with 150million in minerals, and i got the same basic reply.
Sorry, We're rude ass mofos, and we wont admit theres a bug that cost you harm.
You probably escrowed it wrong and to ake up for your own mistake tried blamign the game.
Once upon a time there was a guy called Heff. He accused CCP of covering up bugs and stuff and it was all a LIE. Most old timers that arent too blinkered will give the benefit of the doubt the CCP/GM's.
Nope, wasnt a bad escrow, GMs said the minerals next existed.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:36:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Xelios
Maybe it had something to do with gangs, I assume both sides had a gang going, maybe FE's gang was misplaced somehow on the servers, causing all of them to get stuck, while 5's gang went about its business.
Honestly GM favoritism is the last thing I would expect, there are many more explanations that should be looked into first.
Hamster 1 powering the proxy that most of the [5] gang was on had steroids and was thus able to power them better... Hamster 2 that the F-E gang was on did not. Meanwhile theres Hamster 7 (he's the size of a small cow) thats powering the Jita node.
The press however are busy taking pictures of hamsters 1/2 and yelling at how its an unfair advantage while Hamster 7 just keeps on running....
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Gunsnroses
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:38:00 -
[120]
Originally by: SengH
Originally by: Xelios
Maybe it had something to do with gangs, I assume both sides had a gang going, maybe FE's gang was misplaced somehow on the servers, causing all of them to get stuck, while 5's gang went about its business.
Honestly GM favoritism is the last thing I would expect, there are many more explanations that should be looked into first.
Hamster 1 powering the proxy that most of the [5] gang was on had steroids and was thus able to power them better... Hamster 2 that the F-E gang was on did not. Meanwhile theres Hamster 7 (he's the size of a small cow) thats powering the Jita node.
The press however are busy taking pictures of hamsters 1/2 and yelling at how its an unfair advantage while Hamster 7 just keeps on running....
I love you
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Larsson7
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Posted - 2005.12.12 01:49:00 -
[121]
The Customer Service in this game is absurd.
I used to work for an online DVD supplier in their Customer Services department. On many occasions we would receive mails saying "My DVD did not arrive".
I used to get a real kick out of mailing them back saying " Our logs show that DVD was posted to you. As I have no way of knowing what happened to your DVD I will be unable to replace it. I hope you recover quickly from your loss"
Oh wait - we would NEVER have been that condescending and unprofessional. We would have replaced our customers losses because they paid our saleries and kept us in jobs. We would not have treated them like thieves.
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TFU 2
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Posted - 2005.12.12 02:02:00 -
[122]
I've heard of similar things like this b4 in old JQA days. Loads got stuck/crashed etc and were just dumped in random surrounding systems, often even in safe spots with the bad folk etc. Well when you have loads of players nagging u constantly its hard to pls. Any intervention by a GM can be seen as an advantage for one side or the other.
Play nice, its the season of goodwill unto all men including GM's
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Tiberius Caesar
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Posted - 2005.12.12 02:02:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Larsson7
The Customer Service in this game is absurd.
I used to work for an online DVD supplier in their Customer Services department. On many occasions we would receive mails saying "My DVD did not arrive".
I used to get a real kick out of mailing them back saying " Our logs show that DVD was posted to you. As I have no way of knowing what happened to your DVD I will be unable to replace it. I hope you recover quickly from your loss"
Oh wait - we would NEVER have been that condescending and unprofessional. We would have replaced our customers losses because they paid our saleries and kept us in jobs. We would not have treated them like thieves.
Poor analogy
If CCP replaced everything that blew up then I just lost my titan.
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Zarthanon
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Posted - 2005.12.12 02:23:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Larsson7
The Customer Service in this game is absurd.
I used to work for an online DVD supplier in their Customer Services department. On many occasions we would receive mails saying "My DVD did not arrive".
I used to get a real kick out of mailing them back saying " Our logs show that DVD was posted to you. As I have no way of knowing what happened to your DVD I will be unable to replace it. I hope you recover quickly from your loss"
Oh wait - we would NEVER have been that condescending and unprofessional. We would have replaced our customers losses because they paid our saleries and kept us in jobs. We would not have treated them like thieves.
Yeah, horribly bad analogy. You have to discern between real life, and a game. In real life they have to replace stuff like that. Mainly because most people won't try to bite the hand that feeds it and their reports about a lost DVD are probably real. Naturally, in a game, people don't want to lose and will come up with an excuse in any way possible just to get their stuff back. I would bet that most people that have filed petitions have stretched the truth at least once. These guys are paid by CCP to do the job the best they can, 99.9% of them wouldn't think about risking their job just to help their alliance/corp get ahead of the game.
Originally by: ParMizaN
i mayv or may nit abe a bit drunk
Originally by: Buddrow
TO THETR DRUMNBS OF WAR WET GHO
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MrSpock
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Posted - 2005.12.12 02:32:00 -
[125]
I'm friends with a GM.
They don't favor anyone. They are completely impartial.
That's just the type of people they are. Do you think CCP would employ cheaters?
If there was a problem like that, they'd fix it. You're out of your mind not to think that.
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Trey Azagthoth
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Posted - 2005.12.12 02:34:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Tiberius Caesar
Originally by: Larsson7
The Customer Service in this game is absurd.
I used to work for an online DVD supplier in their Customer Services department. On many occasions we would receive mails saying "My DVD did not arrive".
I used to get a real kick out of mailing them back saying " Our logs show that DVD was posted to you. As I have no way of knowing what happened to your DVD I will be unable to replace it. I hope you recover quickly from your loss"
Oh wait - we would NEVER have been that condescending and unprofessional. We would have replaced our customers losses because they paid our saleries and kept us in jobs. We would not have treated them like thieves.
Poor analogy
If CCP replaced everything that blew up then I just lost my titan.
Yes, but unlike you, I think the GMs have common sense...
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.12.12 02:40:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Trey Azagthoth
Originally by: Tiberius Caesar
Originally by: Larsson7
The Customer Service in this game is absurd.
I used to work for an online DVD supplier in their Customer Services department. On many occasions we would receive mails saying "My DVD did not arrive".
I used to get a real kick out of mailing them back saying " Our logs show that DVD was posted to you. As I have no way of knowing what happened to your DVD I will be unable to replace it. I hope you recover quickly from your loss"
Oh wait - we would NEVER have been that condescending and unprofessional. We would have replaced our customers losses because they paid our saleries and kept us in jobs. We would not have treated them like thieves.
Poor analogy
If CCP replaced everything that blew up then I just lost my titan.
Yes, but unlike you, I think the GMs have common sense...
Yeah thats why there was no lag in h-pa....
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.12.12 02:54:00 -
[128]
Thanks for this, guys. Reading this thread saved me having to turn my fire on tonight.
GMs: the accusations are inevitable, because you guys don't publicise who your regular characters are, and won't allow public discussion of your actions. The alternative might well be even worse, and I wouldn't for one second recommend that you start a public list of GM's characters; but hey, suck it up. If you operate out of the public eye, people can, and WILL, suspect ulterior motives for doing so.
"I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked." |
Tiberius Caesar
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Posted - 2005.12.12 03:04:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Trey Azagthoth
Originally by: Tiberius Caesar
Originally by: Larsson7
The Customer Service in this game is absurd.
I used to work for an online DVD supplier in their Customer Services department. On many occasions we would receive mails saying "My DVD did not arrive".
I used to get a real kick out of mailing them back saying " Our logs show that DVD was posted to you. As I have no way of knowing what happened to your DVD I will be unable to replace it. I hope you recover quickly from your loss"
Oh wait - we would NEVER have been that condescending and unprofessional. We would have replaced our customers losses because they paid our saleries and kept us in jobs. We would not have treated them like thieves.
Poor analogy
If CCP replaced everything that blew up then I just lost my titan.
Yes, but unlike you, I think the GMs have common sense...
Oh sorry, I assumed everyone that read the forums had an IQ that surpassed 40.
My bad...
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Tiberius Caesar
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Posted - 2005.12.12 03:05:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
GMs: the accusations are inevitable, because you guys don't publicise who your regular characters are, and won't allow public discussion of your actions. The alternative might well be even worse, and I wouldn't for one second recommend that you start a public list of GM's characters; but hey, suck it up. If you operate out of the public eye, people can, and WILL, suspect ulterior motives for doing so.
Tbh, only a tard would expect them to tell us whpo their characters are.
Lets assume they have pilots in warring alliances, dont you think that if one did something dodgy they'd be caught.
It's like ref's in sports. Losers always claim bias.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.12.12 03:11:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Tiberius Caesar
Tbh, only a tard would expect them to tell us whpo their characters are.
Lets assume they have pilots in warring alliances, dont you think that if one did something dodgy they'd be caught.
*I* think so, yes. My point is that by not telling us, the large number of tards who play EVE will continue to claim bias. There's plenty evidence of that already.
Publicising their regular characters isn't a viable option, I know; there are any number of other reasons why that shouldn't be done. But the fact it isn't done, leads directly to this sort of spammage, and will always do so.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.12.12 03:11:00 -
[132]
"Yes, but unlike you, I think the GMs have common sense..."
"Dear CCP, i lost my battleship yesterday while NPCing/mining/fighting another player. It was because of a game bug which prevented me from activating my modules. Please, give me my ship and modules i lost, back"
(and it was absolutely not because one was trying to play while completely drunk, and just left their ship sitting in asteroid belt with no weapons nor hardeners/repairers going, while blisfully asleep at the keyboard)
The presented analogy leaves no room for common sense here. You have no choice but to replace the ship, otherwise you're doubting the word of your customer.
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2005.12.12 04:40:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Larsson7
The Customer Service in this game is absurd.
I used to work for an online DVD supplier in their Customer Services department. On many occasions we would receive mails saying "My DVD did not arrive".
I used to get a real kick out of mailing them back saying " Our logs show that DVD was posted to you. As I have no way of knowing what happened to your DVD I will be unable to replace it. I hope you recover quickly from your loss"
Oh wait - we would NEVER have been that condescending and unprofessional. We would have replaced our customers losses because they paid our saleries and kept us in jobs. We would not have treated them like thieves.
Every DVD customer is independent. Every Eve player is interdependent with every other Eve player. DVD buyers aren't competing for the largest collection, and they aren't betting DVDs against other customers then, when they lose, claiming the DVD simply didn't arrive in the first place.
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Logan Williams
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Posted - 2005.12.12 04:50:00 -
[134]
I have seen convos where "GM this decided that" look them up a couple of weeks later and they are in a player corp somewhere. Then hear they lost GM status or whatever.
I personally do not know how CCP run their business. I think there may be huge misconceptions about it however. Maybe they're not misconceptions. I would like to see an orginazational chart or something to that effect. Let me be the judge of what I think and be able to ask questions about it.
Furthermore, IF GMs are allowed to have player characters, scrap them. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. CCP is a business. I work for a telecommunications company. When I go to work, I don't chat on the phone, I don't sit on the internet, I do my job. When I come home, I do not care, in the least, about work. You cannot have nor expect 100% professionalism from someone who may have vested interest in how things turn out. (again this paragraph is based on the IF)
Beyond any of this, it's easy to pull for a winner, an underdog, someone who names a character after your favorite cartoon, anything. It doesn't mean they should be fired, flamed, or seriously reprimanded. Just, let's get it together. Let's get on the same page, get some understanding, and move from there.
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Kalixa Hihro
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Posted - 2005.12.12 05:07:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Kalixa Hihro on 12/12/2005 05:11:55
Originally by: Stan D'marco
This is so silly. Sounds like you never been in a proper fleet batle before. I've had this happend to me 2-3 times. Mostly against G and Iron. I recognize all the leads you describe here. I was looking at freezed ships on the screen, I could not activate modules while the enemies who jumped in could move freely and kill everything.
Honorable enough G let us get our people out so we could continue another day. It took 45 minutes until all of us could log back in again. When we petition as "node overload" we never get our ships back from the regular GM's, we just have to let them escalate to a senior GM. It usually takes a week to get all ships back depending on how many were lost etc.
I can't recall anyone accusing G for GM h4xx0rz because they and Iron could move but we who already were in system couldn't. But then again we are so used to this happening that we never filed stuck petitions.
To me this whole thing sounds like good old node overload lag. It comes with the game and you can usually pick up symptoms before it happends. E.g. as your mates getting emergency warp outs at gates, it takes forever to load next system etc. Nothing you can do about it but to cancel the op or move to a different region and fight.
It looks to me that this was caused by inexperience on how EVE can behave during large battles and chance that put you on the recieving end this time (again you might add, but still you can bet on red at roulette and get black ten times in a row: chance). A bet your alliance chat was filled with screaming fleet nublets demanding an explanation etc. and it all turned into a stampede.
/signed
Every word... and I'm even a BoB KOS LOL. Stan is dead on the money. We got lagged the heck out in AZN today warping into a fight against ASCN. I could only see ten allies, and not move LOL and there were around 184 people there. One of the hazards of big fleet battles is stupendous lag. Nobody intended it that way or gets singled out by anyone to be lagged. Everyone just wanted a good fight.
I got lucky and didn't get vaped this time. Most times you get around 10 seconds of lag or so in a battle that size, then a continuing delay between your commands stuff happening, but once in a while everything just freezes and the node gets pwned.
Best you can do is turn on your hardeners while in warp and hope for the best when you come out of warp then double click in space right away (ONE TIME, not repeatedly, that will lag you out more) so you are moving when your client snaps out of it. It happens to everyone, especially if you are the ones going to the enemy. At best, you are the ones waiting for the enemy to warp in. You will still get lagged the heck out, but at least you can call targets first and have a picture of what you are up against before they do.
-Kal
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2005.12.12 07:39:00 -
[136]
Edited by: pershphanie on 12/12/2005 07:39:46
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Drunkeh
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Posted - 2005.12.12 07:46:00 -
[137]
10/10
Originally by: Omeega
I R NO WORK.
I SELL MY KIDS FOR ISK.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR.
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2005.12.12 07:50:00 -
[138]
Everything the GMs do is recorded. GM isn't a status, it's a job.
I really cannot understand how some people think GMs, who depend entirely upoon this job for survival, who would find it almost impossible to get another job if fired for gross misconduct, who would probably be ineligible for basic benefits because the sacking would be their own fault, would risk all for - what? Seriously?
If the GM character was a leader in an alliance nothing they could do to the other alliance worth mentioning could be done without leaving a huge trail. And that would get them fired. Unless it's back to the tinfoil suggestion that the devs and gms regularly intervene to give covert aid to different alliances in order to stir things up and stop 0.0 becoming stable under one super-alliance.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.12.12 07:57:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Wee Dave
Everything the GMs do is recorded. GM isn't a status, it's a job.
I really cannot understand how some people think GMs, who depend entirely upoon this job for survival, who would find it almost impossible to get another job if fired for gross misconduct, who would probably be ineligible for basic benefits because the sacking would be their own fault, would risk all for - what? Seriously?
If the GM character was a leader in an alliance nothing they could do to the other alliance worth mentioning could be done without leaving a huge trail. And that would get them fired. Unless it's back to the tinfoil suggestion that the devs and gms regularly intervene to give covert aid to different alliances in order to stir things up and stop 0.0 becoming stable under one super-alliance.
/emote watches as the black van pulls up outside Wee Daves house.
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Balazs Simon
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Posted - 2005.12.12 08:40:00 -
[140]
Originally by: SengH
Originally by: Wee Dave
Everything the GMs do is recorded. GM isn't a status, it's a job.
I really cannot understand how some people think GMs, who depend entirely upoon this job for survival, who would find it almost impossible to get another job if fired for gross misconduct, who would probably be ineligible for basic benefits because the sacking would be their own fault, would risk all for - what? Seriously?
If the GM character was a leader in an alliance nothing they could do to the other alliance worth mentioning could be done without leaving a huge trail. And that would get them fired. Unless it's back to the tinfoil suggestion that the devs and gms regularly intervene to give covert aid to different alliances in order to stir things up and stop 0.0 becoming stable under one super-alliance.
/emote watches as the black van pulls up outside Wee Daves house.
I know it!! 
Damn, Paranoia 4TW
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2005.12.12 09:24:00 -
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Edited by: Slaveabuser on 12/12/2005 09:25:49
pah...
Having to live on, one knows better than to value life too much.
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.12.12 09:28:00 -
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if CCP stopped trying to bunch everyone up by tailoring game mechanics for blobbing maybe we would see some change.
increase insurance on T2 ships so people are not so afraid to fly around in small gangs with them
start enhancing game mechanics for small gangs and put limits on how big a gang can be.
dont keep making ships harder to kill/find/stop and ppl wont be needing 50+ships to kill something.
as for the GM favoritism thing...
lightning can only strike so many times in the same spot for it to be called coincidence.
thats my opinion though.
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Azeroth Uluntil
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Posted - 2005.12.12 09:31:00 -
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Edited by: Azeroth Uluntil on 12/12/2005 09:32:27
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Originally by: GM Arkanon
Mangus Thermopyle, who is the GM from 5? I remind you that you are in breach of the TOS and you are spreading unfounded and malicious gossip about something you know nothing about, since the GM who responded to the petitions is not a member of any alliance.
Well, ofcoure the GM is not member of any alliance, but he has 'normal' players in Five. And I am not going to tell his name since that would probably get me banned. I am sure you can find the petition yourself.
If I am wrong I apologize, but I dont think I am.
Besides: how can we complain about biased GMs if we cant talk about what they did?
Oh hey, guess what, impartiality. On their character in whatever alliance, they can do as they please. Guess what, their characters cannot do anything that ours cannot, OUT OF GM MODE/whatever they use. Also, petition, or go away with your unfounded crap. So what if a GM has characters in a specific alliance? They cannot do anything we can't. Don't believe me? Join ISD/whatever group is looking for recruits.
Responding to the posts and forum itself...
Wow, this is perhaps one of the more pathetic things I've seen on these forums. People accusing GM's of favoring alliances/people. More people insulting the GM's just to try and get back at them for a pathetic loss in a frigin game... Get a damn reality check children, grow up a bit, and realize it is a game for god sakes.
As someone mentioned, GM's are EMPLOYED WORKERS. They rely upon their work to put food on their tables at home, and are, despite popular and immensely stupid belief, actual people and not bloody robots. As has been stated before, all GM actions are logged, hence why we even see the odd person busted IMMEDIATELY for their inappropriate actions, and any advantages taken away that were given unfairly. To even accuse a GM of such things, and not have a post made by a GM admitting such things is to accuse the ENTIRE TEAM of favortism. Now, that sounds too far fetched to believe to me. Surely people in this thread couldn't possibly be THAT stupid? Be realistic guys.
Granted, the customer service, at times, isn't the best, but it is far from the worst. Imagine a GM who decided to listen to every pathetic story of some person losing their ship. Imagine how many fake claims could be sent in. Imagine if they were obligated to send reimbursement. Oh hey, guess what. No need to buy a ship anymore, can just continually petition my loss, get my ship back, and continue doing stupid things/important things and not worry one bit! If that happened, it'd be the next SWG, and alot of people would leave Eve. You will get a different response from each GM you talk to, so get used to it. It is almost impossible to have standardized rules, as most of this is a judgement call, made by the GM's. Get used to it, or don't bother logging on unless you plan to avoid any combat whatsoever, be it npcing, pvping or whatever else you manage to get yourself into.
Future reference, I have lost alot of ships to what I think are stupid problems, but later on I understand the GM's reasoning behind it. They always give a decent response, based upon WHAT INFORMATION YOU GAVE THEM. Alot of the problems, from my understanding, are not exactly recordable, as alot of them look like standard server functionality. Don't blame the GM's, blame the damn software.
Leave the GM's alone before you get banned for making an ass of yourself. Grow up a bit and consider the reason you got the answer you did from the GM. Think a bit about it, you will find a realistic reason.
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Azeroth Uluntil
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Posted - 2005.12.12 09:33:00 -
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Edited by: Azeroth Uluntil on 12/12/2005 09:33:56
Apologies, ran out of room to add this...
Apologies to the GM's/ISD if this post is in breach of any part of the TOS/Forum rules, but most of it had to be said, as this is getting out of hand.
Also sorry about spelling, as english is a horrid language to work with...
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Lag Fest
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Posted - 2005.12.12 09:34:00 -
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Yall ought to give GMs some slack! I used to be mod in different online game and as someone above mentioed, it's not a privelage, it's a frikking job! They bust their asses off for your sake and u have stomach to call them cheaters!?! Being GM gives u almost no room to actually ENJOY te game and play cos there's always ********s like you that keep crying as soon as they get slapped around! Grow the hell up and be a man about it! nobody likes cryhoes!
MAN gtfo! u lost ur ship, get over it.
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Fairchild
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Posted - 2005.12.12 09:52:00 -
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rolf
lmfao
haha
hehe
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lmfgdao
rolfsp
mwahahahaah
vbwahahahaahaha
Sorry, what where we talking about again, u people really need to egt over it, ur like ten years olds
HE STOLE MY LOLLY I WANT IT BACK
Here's a bit of advice
Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.12.12 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: thedragoon
I put in a complaint and you never got back to me... to be honest your GAME HAS alot of buggs and your gm's are rude at best.....
That's rich.
So, one of the rudest people in EVE's history is complaining about...rudeness? You know that the GMs are not paid to take your abuse lying down, right? They are not obligated to respond to anything that is insulting or belittling.
Me and mine have always found the support staff helpful, professional and unbiased. But then, we behave like civilized human beings.
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Posted - 2005.12.12 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Beringe
Originally by: thedragoon
I put in a complaint and you never got back to me... to be honest your GAME HAS alot of buggs and your gm's are rude at best.....
That's rich.
So, one of the rudest people in EVE's history is complaining about...rudeness? You know that the GMs are not paid to take your abuse lying down, right? They are not obligated to respond to anything that is insulting or belittling.
Me and mine have always found the support staff helpful, professional and unbiased. But then, we behave like civilized human beings.
Thedragon doesn't know how to behave like a normal human being on teh account he is like ten years old with a bad attitude and makes his corp look completley stupid
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Dracorimus
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Posted - 2005.12.12 10:08:00 -
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It is bloody ridiculous to be honest.
Grow up you sad little people, oh dear you lost a few ships and whatever, who cares ????
I still cannot get over the fact that you publically defying all the rules and accusing GM of cheating/helping out an enemy group of yours in this game....
What a crock of **** tbh, unbelievable.
To say that a GM removed all your mods from your ship is outrageous and you should start thinking about what you're implying if this carries on, you know what will happen!
Just my 2 pence worth
Apologies to the ISD/GM's involved if I breached anything here, just annoyed that people accuse yourselves of such actions, and us on quite a number of occasions of cheating and whatever, I mean it really is attrocious and shows how childish some people can be, (I wouldnt be suprised if half these cretins were 16-18 or so).
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Posted - 2005.12.12 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: GM Arkanon
Originally by: MalaMo
I read lot about something ppl call Customer Support ... What is that if I may ask ?
Customer support are the GMs, who responded to your two stuck petitions and the seven emails you have sent to us.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.12.12 10:22:00 -
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Leave Arkanon alone.
To Arkanon: Don't listen to the nasty people. They say bad things because they are angry and ignorant. Don't let them get under you skin. Don't dwell on the words they say. You and the whole GM team do a great, and probably mostly thankless, job. Keep it up.
P.S. Next time I petition, how about just for once, you give me my freaking stuff back!??!?!?!
Seriously though people, this has to stop. You can't go accusing GM's of bias unless you have 100% proof. Even then you should take the matter up directly with the GM team, or if you feel that would be ineffective, with CCP.
I think I have maybe the lowest hit rate with replacements ever in the history of the petition system. Each time I have felt escalation has been appropriate it has been handled well. It doesn't lead to replacement, but at least a GM (often Arkanon iirc) goes to the effort to explain their decision in as much detail as they can. It is hard not to appreciate the time they take to do that. Even though they have a very heavy workload, they are able to dedicate some of their time to you, and only you. I can't even begin to imagine how many petitions they have to deal with, especially recently with increased server loads, and yet people are moaning about waiting 20minutes on a stuck petition! That seems like a pretty good time to resolution to me, especially when you KNOW that other people are stuck on the same node. What do you expect,, magic?
If you honesty think that the GM's are corrupt, just leave Eve.
Seriously.
How can you even play a game if you are convinced the dice are loaded?
If, however, you are just throwing accusations around because things didn't go perfectly for you, because you felt the need to blame someone for your loss, the you need to get a grip.
It is a normal part of the grieving process to blame others, but you need to get over it.
Some people owe the GM's an apology imho, and it might help them come to terms with their loss too.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.12.12 10:39:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 12/12/2005 10:42:38
Originally by: Avon
Leave Arkanon alone.
To Arkanon: Don't listen to the nasty people. They say bad things because they are angry and ignorant. Don't let them get under you skin. Don't dwell on the words they say. You and the whole GM team do a great, and probably mostly thankless, job. Keep it up.
P.S. Next time I petition, how about just for once, you give me my freaking stuff back!??!?!?!
Seriously though people, this has to stop. You can't go accusing GM's of bias unless you have 100% proof. Even then you should take the matter up directly with the GM team, or if you feel that would be ineffective, with CCP.
I think I have maybe the lowest hit rate with replacements ever in the history of the petition system. Each time I have felt escalation has been appropriate it has been handled well. It doesn't lead to replacement, but at least a GM (often Arkanon iirc) goes to the effort to explain their decision in as much detail as they can. It is hard not to appreciate the time they take to do that. Even though they have a very heavy workload, they are able to dedicate some of their time to you, and only you. I can't even begin to imagine how many petitions they have to deal with, especially recently with increased server loads, and yet people are moaning about waiting 20minutes on a stuck petition! That seems like a pretty good time to resolution to me, especially when you KNOW that other people are stuck on the same node. What do you expect,, magic?
If you honesty think that the GM's are corrupt, just leave Eve.
Seriously.
How can you even play a game if you are convinced the dice are loaded?
If, however, you are just throwing accusations around because things didn't go perfectly for you, because you felt the need to blame someone for your loss, the you need to get a grip.
It is a normal part of the grieving process to blame others, but you need to get over it.
Some people owe the GM's an apology imho, and it might help them come to terms with their loss too.
What is wrong is when I put my name/rep on the line because of something the first GM says about getting reimbursement... it goes thru GM ping pong and GMs finally decide to backtrack and reverse the initial statement given a month ago throwing a whole months work out the window. I get screwed directly because of a GM's actions and I have every right to be angry at ALL the GMs involved in it.
Edit: I can UNDERSTAND why I didnt get reimbursed.. but I asked on the 2nd day of the petition(asking about logs/collateral damage/complications) how I wouldd be reimbursed and all I got was silence until a month later. All I got instead was its an honest mistake on our part and I hope you can recover from your loss quickly.
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2005.12.12 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Leave Arkanon alone.
To Arkanon: Don't listen to the nasty people. They say bad things because they are angry and ignorant. Don't let them get under you skin. Don't dwell on the words they say. You and the whole GM team do a great, and probably mostly thankless, job. Keep it up.
P.S. Next time I petition, how about just for once, you give me my freaking stuff back!??!?!?!
Seriously though people, this has to stop. You can't go accusing GM's of bias unless you have 100% proof. Even then you should take the matter up directly with the GM team, or if you feel that would be ineffective, with CCP.
I think I have maybe the lowest hit rate with replacements ever in the history of the petition system. Each time I have felt escalation has been appropriate it has been handled well. It doesn't lead to replacement, but at least a GM (often Arkanon iirc) goes to the effort to explain their decision in as much detail as they can. It is hard not to appreciate the time they take to do that. Even though they have a very heavy workload, they are able to dedicate some of their time to you, and only you. I can't even begin to imagine how many petitions they have to deal with, especially recently with increased server loads, and yet people are moaning about waiting 20minutes on a stuck petition! That seems like a pretty good time to resolution to me, especially when you KNOW that other people are stuck on the same node. What do you expect,, magic?
If you honesty think that the GM's are corrupt, just leave Eve.
Seriously.
How can you even play a game if you are convinced the dice are loaded?
If, however, you are just throwing accusations around because things didn't go perfectly for you, because you felt the need to blame someone for your loss, the you need to get a grip.
It is a normal part of the grieving process to blame others, but you need to get over it.
Some people owe the GM's an apology imho, and it might help them come to terms with their loss too.
What the hell are you talkin about Avon? I think most people are angry about the way GMs treat them. I know of occasions where a rude GM was asked to phone my friend up at home and apologise for the way he treated him. And to be perfectly honest, they have continued displaying an extremely arrogant and often very rude tone when it comes to communicating with the player base.
And why should we leave the game because the GMs are corrupt? They get paid using our money, so if they can't behave themselves, I suggest CCP fire them, instead of people like you suggesting that others throw away the years they have invested into this game.
Oh and before someone starts flaming me, I think this applies to all the players of all the factions involved and has nothing to do with just FE. And I dont think anyone owes the GMs an apology. If anything the GMs could do with a stint in charm school.
Originally by: Blind Fear
Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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Fairchild
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Posted - 2005.12.12 10:58:00 -
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Look at you, all of
*they should fire him*
*our money*
im sorry but do u really think the give a flying ****? omfg FE pay us, we need there money cause we are so broke
the entire fe alliance could cancel and u would't even create a bump
get a life, if u give a GM **** expect it back
THEY ARE ONLY HUMAN U STUPID CHILD so dont think they are paid enough to take ur absue, ur ****, ur stupid comments on how *u think* the game should be
get a life, u make me sick
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
What is wrong is when I put my name/rep on the line because of something the first GM says about getting reimbursement... it goes thru GM ping pong and GMs finally decide to backtrack and reverse the initial statement given a month ago throwing a whole months work out the window. I get screwed directly because of a GM's actions and I have every right to be angry at ALL the GMs involved in it.
Edit: I can UNDERSTAND why I didnt get reimbursed.. but I asked on the 2nd day of the petition(asking about logs/collateral damage/complications) how I wouldd be reimbursed and all I got was silence until a month later. All I got instead was its an honest mistake on our part and I hope you can recover from your loss quickly.
I don't know what happened to you mate, but a GM goof up is not the same as the accusations of bias made here.
GM's are human, mostly, and make mistakes.
Now, I know that sucks if the mistake happens to you, but what should the GMs do in those circumstances?
How would you expect someone else to be treated if it happened to them?
I guess that is were it gets really hard for the GMs. If they make a mistake it is the player who suffers, but if they just let it slide they wouldn't be doing their jobs.
Not a nice situation for either side, and there probably isn't really a 100% fair way to resolve it.
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Vekia
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:05:00 -
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I support the GM's. I think you're doing a great job. I suspect any missing ammo or drones might be due to people have been firering at something before they got stuck and launched their drones.
It's so typical for people to yell out when they think somebody/thing is working against them. When they realise it's their own mistake they "forget" to tell.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Darken Two
What the hell are you talkin about Avon? I think most people are angry about the way GMs treat them. I know of occasions where a rude GM was asked to phone my friend up at home and apologise for the way he treated him. And to be perfectly honest, they have continued displaying an extremely arrogant and often very rude tone when it comes to communicating with the player base.
And why should we leave the game because the GMs are corrupt? They get paid using our money, so if they can't behave themselves, I suggest CCP fire them, instead of people like you suggesting that others throw away the years they have invested into this game.
Oh and before someone starts flaming me, I think this applies to all the players of all the factions involved and has nothing to do with just FE. And I dont think anyone owes the GMs an apology. If anything the GMs could do with a stint in charm school.
Hey, back off.
I can only post from my personal experience.
Maybe I am just lucky that I have not met a "nasty" GM?
Then again, maybe treating them with the respect they deserve brings out the best in them?
Having said that, maybe if I petitioned as a demanding, arrogant, whining "customer" I would get my stuff back more often (or at all)?
Nah, sod that, I'd rather lose my stuff and keep my dignity intact, thanks all the same.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Larsson7
The Customer Service in this game is absurd.
I used to work for an online DVD supplier in their Customer Services department. On many occasions we would receive mails saying "My DVD did not arrive".
I used to get a real kick out of mailing them back saying " Our logs show that DVD was posted to you. As I have no way of knowing what happened to your DVD I will be unable to replace it. I hope you recover quickly from your loss"
Oh wait - we would NEVER have been that condescending and unprofessional. We would have replaced our customers losses because they paid our saleries and kept us in jobs. We would not have treated them like thieves.
Problem is, are you going to reimburse any nitwit that sends an email like that? Wouldn't your salary be wasted on paying for dvd's that those people probably HAVE got?
You can't be that trusting, and neither can the gm's. They also need solid proof that something DID go wrong. If all they have to go on is some players testimony, but eveything looks like it happened according to the rules in the logs, how can you be sure the player isn't just trying to make himself feel better after he made a mistake, or it's just that his own pc messed up?
I'm not wsaying that's the case here, but still, proof is needed, hard proof, not just a testimony from players. If they'd reimburse everyone who would ask for it, the game would be ruined by people who got free ships all the time....
It's exactly the same with that DVD business of yours.
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Fairchild
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: Larsson7
The Customer Service in this game is absurd.
I used to work for an online DVD supplier in their Customer Services department. On many occasions we would receive mails saying "My DVD did not arrive".
I used to get a real kick out of mailing them back saying " Our logs show that DVD was posted to you. As I have no way of knowing what happened to your DVD I will be unable to replace it. I hope you recover quickly from your loss"
Oh wait - we would NEVER have been that condescending and unprofessional. We would have replaced our customers losses because they paid our saleries and kept us in jobs. We would not have treated them like thieves.
Problem is, are you going to reimburse any nitwit that sends an email like that? Wouldn't your salary be wasted on paying for dvd's that those people probably HAVE got?
You can't be that trusting, and neither can the gm's. They also need solid proof that something DID go wrong. If all they have to go on is some players testimony, but eveything looks like it happened according to the rules in the logs, how can you be sure the player isn't just trying to make himself feel better after he made a mistake, or it's just that his own pc messed up?
I'm not wsaying that's the case here, but still, proof is needed, hard proof, not just a testimony from players. If they'd reimburse everyone who would ask for it, the game would be ruined by people who got free ships all the time....
It's exactly the same with that DVD business of yours.
Also it doesnt matter if all of FE said the same, Same alliance, All friends, All back each other, it makes no diffrence, isnt it funny since arknon threatend to ban them if they kept having a go over sumthing that never happend they all shut up? very quickly? its all well and good to scream omfg h3x but when it comes up to prove it, they all run tail and say *we where rong soz*
i think u see my point, and as to trust, people on the net are not to be trusted, period
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:10:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 12/12/2005 11:12:02
Originally by: Avon
I don't know what happened to you mate, but a GM goof up is not the same as the accusations of bias made here.
GM's are human, mostly, and make mistakes.
Now, I know that sucks if the mistake happens to you, but what should the GMs do in those circumstances?
How would you expect someone else to be treated if it happened to them?
I guess that is were it gets really hard for the GMs. If they make a mistake it is the player who suffers, but if they just let it slide they wouldn't be doing their jobs.
Not a nice situation for either side, and there probably isn't really a 100% fair way to resolve it.
Yeah all they had to say is a small sorry oops its our fault. Their not the one who woke up @ 6am every day before work to check on the petition and stayed up till 2-3am hauling POS fuel. Their not the one who tried to herd PVPers into hauling POS fuels either. Oh yeah and a 1 month reply for an "escalated" GM response is called customer support? And btw it involves GM bias too which they brushed aside saying.. There was no malice involved... all the GM "tricks" are used.. no logs .. contradicting oneself multiple times and denying everything...
Not going into the specifics here but it is analgous to spawning extra moons in a system for the opposing faction to put up POSes when there are no moons left. Without notifying both sides. Ask someone in [5] to send you the petition log from the [5] forums and you'll see what I'm talking about.
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Fairchild
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Originally by: Avon
I don't know what happened to you mate, but a GM goof up is not the same as the accusations of bias made here.
GM's are human, mostly, and make mistakes.
Now, I know that sucks if the mistake happens to you, but what should the GMs do in those circumstances?
How would you expect someone else to be treated if it happened to them?
I guess that is were it gets really hard for the GMs. If they make a mistake it is the player who suffers, but if they just let it slide they wouldn't be doing their jobs.
Not a nice situation for either side, and there probably isn't really a 100% fair way to resolve it.
Yeah all they had to say is a small sorry oops its our fault. Their not the one who woke up @ 6am every day before work to check on the petition and stayed up till 2-3am hauling POS fuel. Their not the one who tried to herd PVPers into hauling POS fuels either. Oh yeah and a 1 month reply for an "escalated" GM response is called customer support?Oh btw it involves GM bias too which they brushed aside saying.. There was no malice involved.
Not going into the specifics here but it is analgous to spawning extra moons in a system for the opposing faction to put up POSes when there are no moons left. Without notifying both sides. Ask someone in [5] to send you the petition log from the [5] forums and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Are you accusing GMS of helping the other side? Cause i suggest you word it very carefully
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Halamdak
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:12:00 -
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[/qoute] (I wouldnt be suprised if half these cretins were 16-18 or so).
Please don't use age groups as an example of imaturity >.<
Being imature is a state of mind, everyone of all ages experiences it.
Sorry, abit off-topic.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 12/12/2005 11:15:05
Originally by: Fairchild
Originally by: SengH
Originally by: Avon
I don't know what happened to you mate, but a GM goof up is not the same as the accusations of bias made here.
GM's are human, mostly, and make mistakes.
Now, I know that sucks if the mistake happens to you, but what should the GMs do in those circumstances?
How would you expect someone else to be treated if it happened to them?
I guess that is were it gets really hard for the GMs. If they make a mistake it is the player who suffers, but if they just let it slide they wouldn't be doing their jobs.
Not a nice situation for either side, and there probably isn't really a 100% fair way to resolve it.
Yeah all they had to say is a small sorry oops its our fault. Their not the one who woke up @ 6am every day before work to check on the petition and stayed up till 2-3am hauling POS fuel. Their not the one who tried to herd PVPers into hauling POS fuels either. Oh yeah and a 1 month reply for an "escalated" GM response is called customer support?Oh btw it involves GM bias too which they brushed aside saying.. There was no malice involved.
Not going into the specifics here but it is analgous to spawning extra moons in a system for the opposing faction to put up POSes when there are no moons left. Without notifying both sides. Ask someone in [5] to send you the petition log from the [5] forums and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Are you accusing GMS of helping the other side? Cause i suggest you word it very carefully
If an area is currently contested by POSes (both have equal numbers of POSes in system) and you remove NPC objects at multiple moons (which are preventing POSes being anchored) under the request of one faction without notifying BOTH factions. Is that not bias?
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Ice Breaker2
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Not going into the specifics here but it is analgous to spawning extra moons in a system for the opposing faction to put up POSes when there are no moons left.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:17:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Fairchild
Originally by: SengH
Yeah all they had to say is a small sorry oops its our fault. Their not the one who woke up @ 6am every day before work to check on the petition and stayed up till 2-3am hauling POS fuel. Their not the one who tried to herd PVPers into hauling POS fuels either. Oh yeah and a 1 month reply for an "escalated" GM response is called customer support?Oh btw it involves GM bias too which they brushed aside saying.. There was no malice involved.
Not going into the specifics here but it is analgous to spawning extra moons in a system for the opposing faction to put up POSes when there are no moons left. Without notifying both sides. Ask someone in [5] to send you the petition log from the [5] forums and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Are you accusing GMS of helping the other side? Cause i suggest you word it very carefully
Nah, he worded it just fine.
It was an analogy.
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Fairchild
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:17:00 -
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i think that anything that is done unfairly should and would be investigated
but you seem to forget to eve this is not just a game its a business, so if they say it didnt happen, it didnt. PERIOD, no matter what people think
maybe it is bias, but if they say no we didnt, let it go, blow up the pos and put ur own up, simple
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 12/12/2005 11:21:26
Originally by: Fairchild
i think that anything that is done unfairly should and would be investigated
but you seem to forget to eve this is not just a game its a business, so if they say it didnt happen, it didnt. PERIOD, no matter what people think
maybe it is bias, but if they say no we didnt, let it go, blow up the pos and put ur own up, simple
thats what we did That chatlog could be compared to Watergate for the GMs. I didn't want to bring it up, but evidently since whining of BIAS gets GMs to look into things with an official post on the forums. I didnt do enough at the time...
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Ice Breaker2
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:23:00 -
[168]
Originally by: SengH
Edited by: SengH on 12/12/2005 11:21:26
Originally by: Fairchild
i think that anything that is done unfairly should and would be investigated
but you seem to forget to eve this is not just a game its a business, so if they say it didnt happen, it didnt. PERIOD, no matter what people think
maybe it is bias, but if they say no we didnt, let it go, blow up the pos and put ur own up, simple
thats what we did That chatlog could be compared to Watergate for the GMs. I didn't want to bring it up, but evidently since whining of BIAS gets GMs to look into things with an official post on the forums. I didnt do enough at the time...
whining 4tw
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:24:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Garnerius De'Nugent
Originally by: Amparo
We just wanted some sort of explanation ... how can some players be stuck and others not? ... several players managed to kill a ship in a system that other players got stuck in ... Not accusing anyone of anything here i'd just like to know how some people can be stuck and others not?
Just like how 80 .5. members got lagged out when 200 PA/NBSI/FE jumped into H-PA... how did the 200 northerns not get any lag, but 80 .5. members did? You all seem to have very short memories.
Actually a lot of us got lagged. I was kicked and could not log in while my alliances mates the few who could take action did. I was listening on ventrilo to a lot of people cursing and a small number being lucky enough that screen loaded.
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Xeethra
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:24:00 -
[170]
agreed, but, i dont think any of us know the gms work or the rues they run by
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:25:00 -
[171]
You all sound like a bunch of damn divorced menstrating women at some pro-femanists rally ffs
all of you grab ur sanitary napkins, stfu and get back in ur eve kitchens and make me a pie
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alduarne
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:33:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Deathwing
You all sound like a bunch of damn divorced menstrating women at some pro-femanists rally ffs
all of you grab ur sanitary napkins, stfu and get back in ur eve kitchens and make me a pie
Agreed
p.s. make some mince pies for christmas...
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:41:00 -
[173]
now for something totally different
/emote puts tinfoil hat on
These guys are obviously GM alts trying to distract us from the situation
Originally by: alduarne
Originally by: Deathwing
You all sound like a bunch of damn divorced menstrating women at some pro-femanists rally ffs
all of you grab ur sanitary napkins, stfu and get back in ur eve kitchens and make me a pie
Agreed
p.s. make some mince pies for christmas...
/emote takes tinfoil hat off..
For those of you that didnt get it IM JUST KIDDING...
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Skape Gote
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Posted - 2005.12.12 11:55:00 -
[174]
It would seem to me that the GM's have made a rod for their own back, quite clearly if you whine to the extent that F-E have done then you get the GM's attention and you get multiple posts from the GM's and their very own sticky.
The obvious thing as SengH points out is that whining gets you places, whilst trying to do things in a fair manner does not. Te GM's will have their work cut out to redress this balance. Maybe a few bans for the whiners and accusors in F-E would show the Eve community that this behaviour will not be tolerated as in all honesty others will think "hey it worked for F-E lets whine like biatches until we get a result to".
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.12.12 12:46:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Malken
as for the GM favoritism thing...
lightning can only strike so many times in the same spot for it to be called coincidence.
thats my opinion though.
Yes, Of all the times I've petitioned due to ctd's, lag, server crashes I've only gotten my ship back once.
Clearly the GM's favour me
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Omeega
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Posted - 2005.12.12 13:21:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Hast
Originally by: Malken
as for the GM favoritism thing...
lightning can only strike so many times in the same spot for it to be called coincidence.
thats my opinion though.
Yes, Of all the times I've petitioned due to ctd's, lag, server crashes I've only gotten my ship back once.
Clearly the GM's favour me
Hast, you are a GM.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Kantar
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Posted - 2005.12.12 13:28:00 -
[177]
Originally by: GM Arkanon
Originally by: MalaMo
I read lot about something ppl call Customer Support ... What is that if I may ask ?
Customer support are the GMs, who responded to your two stuck petitions and the seven emails you have sent to us.
ROFL Pwned.
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.12.12 13:35:00 -
[178]
Originally by: GM Arkanon
Originally by: MalaMo
I read lot about something ppl call Customer Support ... What is that if I may ask ?
Customer support are the GMs, who responded to your two stuck petitions and the seven emails you have sent to us.
OMG Pwned.
/me gets tinfoil hat
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.12.12 13:41:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Vekia
Edited by: Vekia on 12/12/2005 13:40:14
I've gotten ships reimbused twice. One of the times I only petitioned because the news encouraged it. In both cases the GM "forgot" to take away the insurance payout.
whats stopping them from doing it now
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Stan D'marco
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Posted - 2005.12.12 14:07:00 -
[180]
And while we are at it...
Node Overload Lag (dunno what the devs call it) is under investigation. During some of our last larger fleet ops we've been having devs in local to check things out. Remember folks that we are talking about pretty high level systems here and it takes time to find out how to fix things. One "easy" fix might mess up things even worse.
When we come to the GM part we have two levels of GM's. The regular GM's help stuck players that get stuck doing complexes, missions etc. they also help in the above incident. Thou they don't run in to it very often.
When we loose ships due to the above phenomenon we never get the stuff back from "regular" GM's. They do not have the same insight into the problem as the Senior GM's have. the regulars are there to help with the most common problems.
And would you prefer it the other way around? That you get a new ship as soon as you loose it, not questions asked? The GM's can't just hand out ships to the left and right. they have to make sure you're not trying to scam them. I'm glad they do that.
And this pulls us back to the beginning. The Node Overload Lag that makes entire fleets stuck is a known problem and all you have to do is ask the regular GM to escalate the petition to a Senior GM who has more experience in the mechanics of EVE. And one day the devs will solve this problem. Patience.
Using the customer support system that already is in place in the above manner is almost routine in the larger PvP alliances by now. This might be the first time many of your members experienced this and it came as a shock. Trust me, keep calm and use the system as it is supposed to and everything will be just fine.
PS - Escalating petitions might seem ackward but remember that GM's have to deal with a lot of scammers too. the safety procedures work both ways.
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MalaMo
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Posted - 2005.12.12 14:28:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Tiberius Caesar
Originally by: Levin Cavil
Originally by: GM Arkanon
Originally by: MalaMo
I read lot about something ppl call Customer Support ... What is that if I may ask ?
Customer support are the GMs, who responded to your two stuck petitions and the seven emails you have sent to us.
Isn't revealing his number of petitons/E-mails and CCP's resonce to them a breach of the TOS?
I can say that I wouldn't appreciate you revealing the number of petitons I've filed along with the results.
So, GM's should just have to accept insult's an innuendo's questioning their integerty and not be able to respond?
LoL
You ppl take this game to serious.
Well I wouldn't take my post as an insult more as an irony or sarcasm, but now when you get me think .. I would pay greatly if they would let me trow few pies or cakes in their GMs face (new tip how CCP could make more money)
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Posted - 2005.12.12 14:47:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Stan D'marco
stuff...
And this pulls us back to the beginning. The Node Overload Lag that makes entire fleets stuck is a known problem and all you have to do is ask the regular GM to escalate the petition to a Senior GM who has more experience in the mechanics of EVE. And one day the devs will solve this problem. Patience.
Using the customer support system that already is in place in the above manner is almost routine in the larger PvP alliances by now. This might be the first time many of your members experienced this and it came as a shock. Trust me, keep calm and use the system as it is supposed to and everything will be just fine.
PS - Escalating petitions might seem ackward but remember that GM's have to deal with a lot of scammers too. the safety procedures work both ways.
See to me this sounds like the system isn't working at all. It seems to me, by your explenation, that the regular GM's (almost) never reimburse a ship, and don;t even investigate. So why have them in the first place? To have a buffer, so most people will just leave it at that? Well that might work, but it's not very good support imho. I've had a few questionable losses in this game, and I've pettitioned twice. Never got reimbursed ofcourse... Now I'm thinking that if I would just presist I would have gottenmy ship back. Seems very iffy to me tbh...
Oh and threatening players with bans is bad hhmkay. If any GM threatend me, I would ask for the e-mail of his supirior, so I could file an official complaint against him.
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Posted - 2005.12.12 14:48:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Deathwing
all of you grab ur sanitary napkins, stfu and get back in ur eve kitchens and make me a pie
omgnewsigthx
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Originally by: Deathwing
all of you grab ur sanitary napkins, stfu and get back in ur eve kitchens and make me a pie
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.12.12 15:04:00 -
[184]
It's the GMs that do the bloody banning. If you don't follow the rules, you get banned... BY A GM!!! Ofcourse they got the right to warn you against doing stuff that gets you banned. It's part of their job.
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A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
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Vekia
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Posted - 2005.12.12 15:20:00 -
[185]
Some peeps doesn't seem to know the difference between a warning and a threat.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2005.12.12 16:18:00 -
[186]
Originally by: MrSpock
I'm friends with a GM.
OMGPROOFTHAT5HAXGMSNSTUFF
Originally by: Chowdown
We camp a lot
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.12.12 16:20:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Vekia
Some peeps doesn't seem to know the difference between a warning and a threat.
And some peeps need some hefty words before they get it through their steel plated thick skulls that they should be listening.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
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Cragmar
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Posted - 2005.12.12 16:58:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: Vekia
Some peeps doesn't seem to know the difference between a warning and a threat.
And some peeps need some hefty words before they get it through their steel plated thick skulls that they should be listening.
Don't be so damn rude u stupid child, do u really think the GMS care what u think about them?
And go on u rude child shout *alt, oh an alt, he's lame, it's an alt*
ur just as thick as everyone else on this thread, grow up
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.12.12 17:04:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Cragmar
Don't be so damn rude u stupid child, do u really think the GMS care what u think about them?
And go on u rude child shout *alt, oh an alt, he's lame, it's an alt*
ur just as thick as everyone else on this thread, grow up
Now then class, can anyone point out the things which make this an example of how not to post?
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Cragmar
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Posted - 2005.12.12 17:06:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Cragmar
Don't be so damn rude u stupid child, do u really think the GMS care what u think about them?
And go on u rude child shout *alt, oh an alt, he's lame, it's an alt*
ur just as thick as everyone else on this thread, grow up
Now then class, can anyone point out the things which make this an example of how not to post?
*kicks u in the head*
now die
in a fire
kthx
slowly
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Brigitte
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Posted - 2005.12.12 17:31:00 -
[191]
well seems fair 2 me g/m's always wrkin hard give em a break
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Garnerius De'Nugent
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Posted - 2005.12.12 17:34:00 -
[192]
Edited by: Garnerius De''Nugent on 12/12/2005 17:34:25
Originally by: Cragmar
*kicks u in the head*
now die
in a fire
kthx
slowly
omgwtff12
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Originally by: Deathwing
all of you grab ur sanitary napkins, stfu and get back in ur eve kitchens and make me a pie
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.12.12 17:36:00 -
[193]
hehe what a mess this post is.
I was there & must say in my system we was having a fair ***** about it I didnt relise poeple was dieing or we would have asked helpfull GM Arkanon to start in h-p & work back to D7.
Note to Bob & a few others it was not a fleet battle was no bubbles no camps, there was about 8 .5. in h-p & we was just 5-10 jumping in for a poke around & to pickup some bits.
I havent logged in yet but Ushi must get his scorp back, I can comfirm he was stuck even before me & had petioned stuck before I left him so his kill mail must be after that time, Also I was there in my covert scouting him witch all pvpers have to aggree is the way to move something safely.
My Full Story : We went into H-P for a poke around & my sub mission to grab ushi scorp home, we had scouts at each gate & station & I bmed ushi to gate witch we had 4 ships scouting in & othres down the pipe to D7.
We jumped out h-p & found the 4 pilots shouting local dont warp were stuck. being a covert i didnt have to warp & went to cloak but couldnt move, so knowing crashes/lagg I set warp so when I return I have already moved (hopefully), never nice stuck in enermy space.
I sent my petion right away so if I did die I had that to show I was stuck. Just after sending that an ATUK pilot showed local & shortly after disappeared local, he didnt spend the time to make a warp & jump so I assumed he was stuck & logged out.
I decided to jion him since sitting a 20mil frig on an enermy gate aint fun, I didnt just log i even rconnected to net & when I returnd to eve I was indeed warping to my chosen spot & could fly around seeing pilots sat at gates unclocked, very scary.
I tested a jump witch went ok but in the next system I couldnt warp again, so logged but a bit faster this time & no disconnect. I was still at the gate no differnce but now GM Ark was local asking witch systems to move peeps to, I think some was just moved due to petioned & as norml they drop ya a few systems over, haveing GM Ark local did give us the option to move as 1 but unfortunatly we was already spread out.
During this chatting a - standing to F-E pilot jumped in, he stuck & was chatting local & GM Ark was gunno move us all to D7 even that poor fella witch would have been very funny but we poited out fast he shouldnt be put with us, witch did seem to cause a slight delay on the bulk move & slowly some left local being moved.
I got bored & done another long log out & dis & came back in control of my ship again, I found our - standing guy in his tranny at a gate uncloaked & prime for the picking but im to nice for that & jumped out towards D7 & was ok from there on for the rest of the night.
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Because it was a claer problem even a gm being stuck then should be nps replacing the ships after the first report of stuck.
I always check gates after a hostile force leave witch maybe is all .5. did & found ushi at the gate, They do have alt spies in corps & maybe did try & take advantage of the stuck player but thats a risky choice & ya dont need GM mates for that info, just ligit spys.
Bits missing from ships a, well in my expeience When I have a ship loss returned its misisng what drops in the can, since thats in space or someone has it, not in the trash pile with the rest, maybe a ship was destroyed but due to the issue also wasnt & was moved but had items left in a can someware. odd for shure.
Still if Ark dont sort it all asap were spam his evemail like he owns a pos.
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Posted - 2005.12.12 17:41:00 -
[194]
Originally by: SinBin
Still if Ark dont sort it all asap were spam his evemail like he owns a pos.
Ahhh... from cries of
The Five have GM's! They're Biased!
to threats of what can be petitioned under Harassment.
Classy F-E.
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all of you grab ur sanitary napkins, stfu and get back in ur eve kitchens and make me a pie
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Mistress Mango
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Posted - 2005.12.12 18:06:00 -
[195]
Ah, Arkanon.. nice to see you're still around. My favorite GM :)
Don't take crap from anybody ;)
For the whining nublars in F-E:
1. You know nothing of the inner workings of CCP's netcode. Making assumptions based on information you dont possess makes you look stupid.
2. You are breaking rules by spreading rumours of a paid company of breaking rules, making you HUGE hypocrites.
3. If you didn't expect lag and node issues to go hand in hand with fleet battles, then it only confirms that you are, indeed - newbies.
Note, this is only directed at the few individuals in F-E who managed to insult the people trying to help them. Obviously the majority are not like that, but they certainly should do something about their highly vocal and highly ignorant minority.
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Naurhir
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Posted - 2005.12.12 18:24:00 -
[196]
Cry more n00bs.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.12.12 18:26:00 -
[197]
Edited by: thoth foc on 12/12/2005 18:27:45
I dont know i would say there was GM favouritism, but there responses to major situations seems generally poor. I know both [5] and RA had major problems with GM'ing early in our conflict.
I dont think i've ever heard of a service industry that wouldnt error on the side of the customer when the fault is either not known, or actually admitted to be on the providers side.
edit: particularly when replacing the items doesnt actually cost real money (outside teh time to deal with the petition ofc)
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[5],
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Aerykah Malegant
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Posted - 2005.12.12 18:28:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Eversor
I would still appreciate it, if CCP in all its fairmindedness would create a list
of all characters created and used by CCP employees and its subcontractors, and post it somewhere in the forums. I think if it was a policy by CCP to make sure that its employees needed to report on who their characters are it would help a long ways to dispose of these allegations.
signed
/Eversor
Probably never happen, but I would certainly be in favor of that.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.12.12 18:40:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Cragmar
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Cragmar
Don't be so damn rude u stupid child, do u really think the GMS care what u think about them?
And go on u rude child shout *alt, oh an alt, he's lame, it's an alt*
ur just as thick as everyone else on this thread, grow up
Now then class, can anyone point out the things which make this an example of how not to post?
*kicks u in the head*
now die
in a fire
kthx
slowly
Someone's just begging for a warning/ban.
Originally by: rowbin hod
Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage.
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MakkAnzy
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Posted - 2005.12.12 18:42:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Mistress Mango
3. If you didn't expect lag and node issues to go hand in hand with fleet battles, then it only confirms that you are, indeed - newbies.
10-20 ships is hardly a fleet battle, we have had 100's of ships with lag yes but no-one stuck in space.
As for whinning CCP needs to sort this out, all would you rather we all suffered the same fate other wise they will hide behind there TOS.
CCP's replacement policy is kinda crap they are biased against you in that they never err to the player always to the server.
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Naurhir
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Posted - 2005.12.12 20:09:00 -
[201]
Originally by: MakkAnzy
CCP's replacement policy is kinda crap they are biased against you in that they never err to the player always to the server.
Stupid people deserve nothing.
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Spaja Saist
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Posted - 2005.12.12 20:24:00 -
[202]
Edited by: Spaja Saist on 12/12/2005 20:31:05
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Ok, people.
It is time to end this childishness.
NOONE IS BEING FAVOURED BY GM'S OR CCP IN EVE, friggin end of story !
What I want to know, is wether every single player that openly accused other players of hacking, cheating and/or exploiting will get an immediate warning on the forums, if not an ingame warning for abuse from this point on.
I honestly am sick and tired of the silly accusations flying around whenever something crappy happens to the server and one side suffers mroe then another.
Everyone has had this happen at one point or another, yet only some of us keep going on about it being the result of cheating or exploiting or favouritism.
Stop being ridiculous and childish, start behaving like an adult ffs.
oh, I'm serious about those warnings btw, emotions have never been an excuse for breaking the rules, so why make an exception for this idiocy ? If an GM dignifies this behaviour with a reply, then please dignify my question with one as well...
Why aren't these people being warned ?
How can you prove there is no favoritism? I should believe you just because you say so?
The problem is easily rectified. GMs should not have characters in this game. That is the only way to be 100% sure there is no favoritism. Since we are all human there is always the chance that someone is abusing his or her position.
Now let me clarify, I am in no way suggesting there is favoritism but since we are just paying customers we can't know either way.
Also I believe a lot of this stems from they way petitions are handled. There seems to be no standard way of dealing with issues in the game. One GM does it one way while another does it completely different. And I'm sorry but if I had to rate the level of customer service in this game I'd be banned form the forums.
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Naurhir
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Posted - 2005.12.12 21:07:00 -
[203]
Personally I have had nothing but good experiences with the customer service department. I would be a bit short tempered myself if people spammed me with base-less accusations and nonstop lambasting... but hey, I am a misanthropic curmudgeon and proud of it.
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Grizwold
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Posted - 2005.12.12 23:42:00 -
[204]
Arkanon,
It is highly embarrasing for many of us who have experienced the good work and high ethics of the GM's who service this outstanding game, to read the utter childish crap that so many players have written here...
I have been very fortunate to have had only about 20 significant losses of ships due to bugs, lag and other quirks of the game mechanics. I have never seen or experienced any direct unprofessional actions of any of the many GMs that I have had contact with.
To hear the childish slander and inuendos being propagated herein is quite appalling and can only be attributed to the maturity of the complainers.
One must at times put oneself in the shoes of others to understand why some events occur. Image oneself being a GM and dealing with complaint after complaint and those complaints being expressed as only 14 year olds can...and doing this day after day.
One can only be amazed that the GM's do not express more impatience than they may sometimes do, after being used as a lavatory as it were, to receive such voiced refuse from the bowels of so many immature players...
Hats off to you Arkanon and the rest of your staff for doing such a great job with the lousy tools that you have.
As many a "great" hockey dad has been told....if you think you could do a better job refereeing, there is an extra striped sweater downstairs you can put on now and you can show us how perfect you are...
cheers
Griz
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Vishnej
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Posted - 2005.12.13 02:14:00 -
[205]
Edited by: Vishnej on 13/12/2005 02:19:59
Edited by: Vishnej on 13/12/2005 02:18:01
Edited by: Vishnej on 13/12/2005 02:15:27
Originally posted by Persephanie
Lag wasnt the issue nor is it what the complaint was at all. This had zero to do with lag in any way.
While A) there is something broken about nodes, namely no loadbalancing, and B) there is something broken when a GM is stuck in a system, and people get their reimbursement petitions refused, and C) There is something lacking when in a PvP situation, one fleet gets stuck and the other is allowed to fly around killing them, with GMs watching....
None of those things was the issue that prompted shouts of favoritism.
I believe it had more to do with modules/ammo/drones disappearing from ships that the GMs moved. That's the only issue that can't be explained under luck of the draw + server lag oddities - which the last 7 pages of this thread seem stuck on.
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Plim
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Posted - 2005.12.13 03:23:00 -
[206]
This is the most idiotic thing I have ever seen on these forums. Why is there an open thread by a GM, where these issues are being discussed with complete speculation, and then a GM getting defensive?
I thought GM actions weren't supposed to be discussed publically? This looks incredibly bad.
I think I understand why the word c r a c k is censored.
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roos
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Posted - 2005.12.13 03:34:00 -
[207]
I don't believe that any GM is favoring anyone personally. I will state that I have no knowledge of what has happened to cause people claiming this.
However, I would like to make a request that CCP please review their policy for customer service and support. I have no specific gripes against any one person. I feel that in general things are considered the players fault if they crash or lose something. This may keep those that are trying to abuse the system from doing so but it also harms those of us who actually have a legitimate complaint.
I feel that the rigid policies that the GM's have prevent the favoritism of one side or the other. But they also prevent common sense from prevailing in many situations.
In Summary:
CCP please address your policies on customer service and support. Besides the lag, I think you will find that this is probably the one thing that most people have a complaint about, and is possibly one of the easiest things for you to fix.
This is coming from a professional in support engineering (i.e. I do customer support, as an engineer)
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.12.13 03:38:00 -
[208]
"The problem is easily rectified. GMs should not have characters in this game. That is the only way to be 100% sure there is no favoritism."
This is also 100% sure way to have the petitions handled by people who have absolutely no clue about how the game actually works (bar what they read in the manual)
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2005.12.13 03:49:00 -
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There is no doubt in my mind that some GM's are biased.
However, I think the real problem is that some of the GM's aren't properly educated on game mechanics and/or GM actions. And they also tend to lie about their abilities.
Next time it happens I will try to get specifics. But there have been numerous occasions in my eve career where I've seen the EXACT same petition handled entirely differently by different GM's. Some gm's reimburse, some don't. I've had players go into a big fight and have several of the players get reimbursed while the rest were shut down.
It's the lack of consistency that is the real problem.
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invaderzim
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Posted - 2005.12.13 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: Spaja Saist
Edited by: Spaja Saist on 12/12/2005 20:31:05
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Ok, people.
It is time to end this childishness.
NOONE IS BEING FAVOURED BY GM'S OR CCP IN EVE, friggin end of story !
What I want to know, is wether every single player that openly accused other players of hacking, cheating and/or exploiting will get an immediate warning on the forums, if not an ingame warning for abuse from this point on.
I honestly am sick and tired of the silly accusations flying around whenever something crappy happens to the server and one side suffers mroe then another.
Everyone has had this happen at one point or another, yet only some of us keep going on about it being the result of cheating or exploiting or favouritism.
Stop being ridiculous and childish, start behaving like an adult ffs.
oh, I'm serious about those warnings btw, emotions have never been an excuse for breaking the rules, so why make an exception for this idiocy ? If an GM dignifies this behaviour with a reply, then please dignify my question with one as well...
Why aren't these people being warned ?
How can you prove there is no favoritism? I should believe you just because you say so?
The problem is easily rectified. GMs should not have characters in this game. That is the only way to be 100% sure there is no favoritism. Since we are all human there is always the chance that someone is abusing his or her position.
Now let me clarify, I am in no way suggesting there is favoritism but since we are just paying customers we can't know either way.
Also I believe a lot of this stems from they way petitions are handled. There seems to be no standard way of dealing with issues in the game. One GM does it one way while another does it completely different. And I'm sorry but if I had to rate the level of customer service in this game I'd be banned form the forums.
So... the Gm's give up all their other characters. What about the bonds they've formed prior? Obviously, the answer is to hire new Gm's who have never played! Oh, wait... that won't work.
A person can only be polite so long with his integrity under consistent assault. Crying "favoritism!" on a regular basis can make some less inclined to believe you should it ever actually happen.
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2005.12.13 06:17:00 -
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I cant believe u girls are still crying about this
Get over it k?
GM Ark isnt going to the damn prom with you, it isnt the end of the world ok??? TomB is still available, sure i hear hes a bad kisser but Eris has told me first hand that he is quite the conversationalist
Just dont ask him to foot the bill at the end of the night or he will /heal 0.0 you
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Ushima Koranaki
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Posted - 2005.12.13 07:05:00 -
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Just a suggestion about the issue of GM employees playing ingame actually. Simply make their GM accounts only accesable in the company and let no other char be created on that GM account.
This would at least make sure to everyone that no GMish skills/informations are used out of the records. If that already is the case, why isnt it simply said so by a valid source. It would calm many things
down in matters of GM bias.
To those just accusing all those that post here and discus things that have to be changed, of beeing underage, silly or unexperienced. You damn well know none of that is the case, if you realy think otherwise.. read ure own post before posting and start acting after it ureself.
A thank you out to all those supporters and posters that took the chance to post in a thread, which hopefully can move something behind the scenes. And also a real big one to GM Arkanon for looking into things.
-Regards, Ushima Koranaki
Divine Retribution
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.12.13 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Spaja Saist
Edited by: Spaja Saist on 12/12/2005 20:31:05
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Ok, people.
It is time to end this childishness.
NOONE IS BEING FAVOURED BY GM'S OR CCP IN EVE, friggin end of story !
What I want to know, is wether every single player that openly accused other players of hacking, cheating and/or exploiting will get an immediate warning on the forums, if not an ingame warning for abuse from this point on.
I honestly am sick and tired of the silly accusations flying around whenever something crappy happens to the server and one side suffers mroe then another.
Everyone has had this happen at one point or another, yet only some of us keep going on about it being the result of cheating or exploiting or favouritism.
Stop being ridiculous and childish, start behaving like an adult ffs.
oh, I'm serious about those warnings btw, emotions have never been an excuse for breaking the rules, so why make an exception for this idiocy ? If an GM dignifies this behaviour with a reply, then please dignify my question with one as well...
Why aren't these people being warned ?
How can you prove there is no favoritism? I should believe you just because you say so?
The problem is easily rectified. GMs should not have characters in this game. That is the only way to be 100% sure there is no favoritism. Since we are all human there is always the chance that someone is abusing his or her position.
Now let me clarify, I am in no way suggesting there is favoritism but since we are just paying customers we can't know either way.
GM's don't have player characters on the accounts they have GM characters on. Just like dev's and ISD members dont have player chars on the accounts they have dev or ISD characters on.
That means, that if a GM goes home from work, he leaves his GM powers behind and becomes just another player (assuming he even cares to play the game at all).
He cannot help any player characters with his gm powers because GM power usage is logged and checked. Would he transfer isk or make a few too many strange decisions on petitions from a certain player group, he would lose his job as a GM.
Get that ? If a GM would favour .5. over F-E he'd be losing his job in an instant. That is, if he'd even care about .5. or F-E to begin with, since I doubt that alot of gm's care to play Eve in their spare time after having to listen to all the silly whiners for 8 damn hours in a row.
Some GM's aren't as experienced or knowing as others. That is why you get different reactions from different GM's. Do I like them all as much as the other ? hell no I don't. I know some have mroe insight into what you mean with a particular petition then another will. But the fact remains that they do a job, they get checked, and there is stuff at stake for both them, involved players and most importantly CCP if a gm would ever abuse his power.
Imagine what rampant gm power abuse would do to subsciption numbers...
And you really think that a buisiness like CCP, with stakeholders and shareholders giving them their trust, would allow itself to run a risk like that ?
That's what I mean with people not being able to apply reason to their rambling here. Stop and think for a whole minute before souting the next conspiracy theory here ok ?
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Yuzier OA
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Posted - 2005.12.13 15:03:00 -
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Sigh......
Get over it allready, if you have aproblem with ccp, mail them, dont make a fool of yourself, by implying something is wrong without any facts to back it up.
Cannot count the times, i have lost ships to ingame bugs, thats the thing you should be centering on, not that a secret undground society of GM's wielding power to great, to be told here, its like reading a Dan browne, Novel...
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Chib
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Posted - 2005.12.13 15:19:00 -
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ok i started reading this thread page by page and thought what the hell im not reading 8 pages of insults at GM's and CCP....CCP/GM's strive to make the game playable for everyone......trust me when i say they'll do NOTHING to favour 1 player more than another....even when something really unfortunate happens like missing a chance at stealth bomber BPO by less than 3 mins (long story) but either way the fact of the matter is this is a great game which they work hard on making it better and constant crap like this is soul destroying because it will make em all feel unappreciated..
come on guys .....stuff like this happens from time to time and in the grand scheme of things its a pretty small problem that happens occasionally....this is by far the most stable MMORPG ive ever played....especially that it only has 1 server
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:56:00 -
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if a GM or ISD has a character in corp A and is enemys of Corp B
now if both Corp A and Corp B sends in petitions of ship losses.
wich Corp gets the benefit of the doubt most times do you think when that GM is at work?
its simple human nature.
GM's shouldnt have player accounts, if they want to play around and shoot something and test stuff there is a test server wich they can let loose on if they want to understand game mechanics.
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DUFFMANX
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Posted - 2005.12.13 20:24:00 -
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Edited by: DUFFMANX on 13/12/2005 20:25:50
Originally by: Malken
if a GM or ISD has a character in corp A and is enemys of Corp B
now if both Corp A and Corp B sends in petitions of ship losses.
wich Corp gets the benefit of the doubt most times do you think when that GM is at work?
its simple human nature.
GM's shouldnt have player accounts, if they want to play around and shoot something and test stuff there is a test server wich they can let loose on if they want to understand game mechanics.
1 problem that i c here m8t is that if GM "A" has a job at ccp and wants to play without being caught or being threat then all he has to do is use a friends of family members credit card for creating account under their name there by neutralising any way of catching them out if they exist
Edit: prooving that they r is then a totally different thing leading to possible action by other GM's cos u in breach of tos and not being able to prove squat.
Originally by: Eshtir
If your transmission is missing, it might have been destroyed by our "OOC Deathstar".
-Eshtir
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Turas Kain
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Posted - 2005.12.13 20:44:00 -
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My gut feeling does say that its very unlikely anyone in eve is favoured more than others. The relatively few times I've had to deal with a GM its always been handled perfectly politely and within a reasonable time scale.
One problem I do see with reimbursement petitions in particular is that at times
2 different people can file for reimbursement, sometimes have even been in same gang/system/area/etc, and end result is that 1 is reimbursed and the other not.
From my personal experience I'd say that intentional favouritism is doubtful but
the lack of consistent replys from different GM's for the same issue can be
annoying. And probably leads to most accusations of favouritism?
A more solid set of rules for reimbursement may be the easiest way to cover
this. Just my thoughts.
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Sir JoJo
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Posted - 2005.12.13 21:11:00 -
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ohhh man cut the crap...
dont u thinkg that gm.s get looked upon when somecomplains..... i think so when a senior gm or a dev looks at what he did and when they would see if they did fovourise some...
guys come on EVE is the CHILD of CCP and many if not all ppl working on the game. why on earth would they risk anything whit fovourising some sides.....
TBH if u think some faction got GM's on there side u are pathetic and naiv and use way to much time specualting instead of playing.
Originally by: Eris Discordia
As a minmatar I have to say the only good Amarr is a dead Amarr
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Posted - 2005.12.13 23:20:00 -
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You should all be shamed of youselfs! poor ovuer and kieron are already having a hard enough time as it is!
How you doin (joey style)
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.12.13 23:21:00 -
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but think about it for one sec longer, who would you give the benefit of the doubt?
your buddy you have fought together with for a year or two or the other guy who ganked your indy twice last week and called you a n00b for fitting projectile dmg mods on your raven.
it all comes down to human nature, if there are a possibility for a person to tip the odds in their favor even so slightly that human will propably do it.
hence why they should play wow instead if they work for EvE.
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Phoney Lisa
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Posted - 2005.12.13 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Malken
if a GM or ISD has a character in corp A and is enemys of Corp B
now if both Corp A and Corp B sends in petitions of ship losses.
wich Corp gets the benefit of the doubt most times do you think when that GM is at work?
its simple human nature.
GM's shouldnt have player accounts, if they want to play around and shoot something and test stuff there is a test server wich they can let loose on if they want to understand game mechanics.
Hi, can I rent your tinfoil hat?
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Kaledon Brown
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Posted - 2005.12.13 23:38:00 -
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The real fact of the matter is GM's do have their inner circles and clicks of players they talk to and perhaps play with when they are at home. If it is possible in any way shape or form, chances are it will happen at some point. You probably won't be able to prove it but it will happen.
Listening to some of these people flaming others for even suggesting this happens makes me sick because I know first hand it happens in other games. GM's should not even be linked to an Alliance or Corporation via his GM account period. Someone mentioned a GM for the Five. How is this possible at all? Or does someone have his home char name that is linked to his GM account via word of mouth or something?
If a GM from the Five did really respond to the players that were stuck, and a senior GM can verify ships in the region were stuck, then there should definantly be some reimbursements handed out otherwise it could easily be seen as favortism even with the known problems of large fleets jumping into a system and getting other players stuck.
1. GM should always be invisible.
2. Senior GM should not be coming on public forum and threatening to ban accounts for making accusations. Not very professional.
3. GM account chars should never be linked or associated with any characters or corporations PERIOD.
Now even if there was some favortism how is a player going to prove it? He/She doesn't have access to the server logs or your GM characters. Screenshots are hardly worth anything these days. They would have to fraps something so blatently obvious that it would never happen in the first place because a GM is not that stupid.
Sounds to me like policy changes are needed if anything to avoid this in the future.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.12.14 00:38:00 -
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"if a GM or ISD has a character in corp A and is enemys of Corp B
now if both Corp A and Corp B sends in petitions of ship losses.
wich Corp gets the benefit of the doubt most times do you think when that GM is at work?
its simple human nature."
Or it might be simply your nature. Anyone who gets confused to the point they start to apply in-game politics to out of game work, shouldn't get this sort of work in the first place. And if you have some factual evidence they do, then take it up to their employer. Out of forum.
"GM's shouldnt have player accounts, if they want to play around and shoot something and test stuff there is a test server wich they can let loose on if they want to understand game mechanics."
Leaving aside test server is often running very different code branch from what's running on TQ, how do you expect said GM to ever get familiar with the effect of "ship gets stuck jumping into system with 100 hostiles camping gate" or "node gets bogged down and lags the sh.t out of everyone" ... if they are limited to playing on test which pretty much never goes through these things, because population on it is minimal?
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Logan Williams
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Posted - 2005.12.14 03:01:00 -
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It's like myself and other folks have said. GMs shouldn't have free-roaming player accts. If ya want to come home and blow off some steam, go hang out in Jove space. God knows the rest of us can't :( |
riker
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Posted - 2005.12.14 03:08:00 -
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After reading these pages of posts i start to understand why people are mad and some are right out **** off. You got to remember this is not the first time stuff like this has happen. This has been building up for a long time. I do firmly believe that the *customer support * i use that loosely, is just plain; for a better word terrible.
i believe in gm school they teach you to say only one thing * sry we can not confirm anything, we cant give u anything back. sry and tuff-luck it is not our fault the servers suck and crash when more than 40 ppl get in them. But hey we got a new patch coming out next month!**
Ok someone said a few pages back that they know a gm that they talk to a gm every now and then.. 1st in my opinion this should stop Gm's should not chitchat with players. Now in there off time away form work and not able to log into gm account is another thing. But Gm and player convos should be watched! you have a player talking to a gm a few times a week or day OF COURSE every one thinks you are on there side.
2nd someone said that GMÆs should only play on test server and i believe Ron said in simple * that is stupid* witch i do agree w/ him test server and TQ are totally different. Biggest prob. in eve is servers SUCK and customer support is...... bad
Someone put it they are too wishy washy. Same prob. same system and only one gets it.. Yea that does show favoritism.
Flam and rant all you want this is my opinion and mine alone. Things need to change before ppl will stop calling Gm's bias to one side or another.
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Kira Bellum
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Posted - 2005.12.14 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: GM Arkanon
Edited by: GM Arkanon on 11/12/2005 18:00:52
Hi everyone.
We had multiple reports of players being stuck a little over an hour ago and upon investigation, we found out that this was indeed a problem in some systems. An ingame warning was sent out to warn players away from the systems while we investigated and tried to help the stuck players. I personally jumped into one of the systems and was unable to move. Moving the players one or two systems back did not solve the problem, so in order to get the players out of there and hopefully to enable them to keep playing, we moved them to a station, which seemed to fix the problem for most of the players. We are still not sure why this happened, but this is being looked into by CCP.
Some players reported having lost fittings from the ships after being moved. We have absolutely no idea how that could have happened and it certainly had nothing to do with our actions, which were the standard moving procedure we have used since launch. If anyone lost their ship as a direct result of our actions, please file an 'Other' petition, or send us an email and we will replace them for you.
I am somewhat at a loss as to how this can be interpreted as favouritism, since we could hardly turn a blind eye to the situation. We are here to help, after all. Leaving stuck players to fend for themselves is something we have never done and I fail to see how we could ignored this situation.
FInally, would you risk your livelyhood to get ahead in an MMORPG? We are routinely accused of cheating and it's getting a bit old, frankly. I have investigated countless such claims, and none have been based on fact. Please show us the courtesy of backing up your claims with hard facts, instead of spreading unfounded gossip. Otherwise, you are in breach of our TOS and risk action against your account.
i would just like to point out to those who say something along the lines of gms are biased towards the5..... well we have been hosed by gm "untimeliness" and omfg am i putting that in a nice manner. at least your fleet wasnt stuck for 3 weeks guarding a bugged system. this is the exact same gm that we dealt with. its a matter of unluck, and besides things get fixed.... eventually. better than never fixed. it happens to both sides at some point or another. get used to it, and welcome to 0.0 and gms.
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Phoney Lisa
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Posted - 2005.12.14 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: Logan Williams
It's like myself and other folks have said. GMs shouldn't have free-roaming player accts. If ya want to come home and blow off some steam, go hang out in Jove space. God knows the rest of us can't :(
Ummm, ok
First off, how do you know anything about what the GM's accounts do? I personally hope they play the game.
Second, do you REALLY think there are no checks and balances?
Third, assumption is the mother of all ****ups. You have zero facts just spoeculation. It makes you look rather daft.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.12.14 03:51:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 14/12/2005 03:51:22
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
There is no doubt in my mind that some GM's are biased.
However, I think the real problem is that some of the GM's aren't properly educated on game mechanics and/or GM actions. And they also tend to lie about their abilities.
Next time it happens I will try to get specifics. But there have been numerous occasions in my eve career where I've seen the EXACT same petition handled entirely differently by different GM's. Some gm's reimburse, some don't. I've had players go into a big fight and have several of the players get reimbursed while the rest were shut down.
It's the lack of consistency that is the real problem.
I don't think they're biased. I have some idea of how extensive GM logging is these days, having waay back when helped catch GM's in a game long long ago indeed flaunting their powers, and helping to bring IN the idea of strong logging. (Along with about 75 other people, I'd add)
There are two problem, to be honest, firstly that there does not seem to be a casebook where precidents on a matter are set, leading to inconsistant descisions and secondly the unprofessionalism which seems to be IN what playbook their is - enshrined in the "I hope you recover quickly", my finances in-game having NOTHING to do with the the matters I had petitioned.
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.12.14 08:52:00 -
[230]
Never met anything but friendly and helpfull GMs. And ofcourse they are monitored extensively. And I'm 100% they can keep their work and private EVE time seperate, if they even play at all.
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A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.12.14 11:00:00 -
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The people replying that GMs shouldn't be able to play the game are fools. Do you really want to file a petition that says, "I lost my Rifter doing blah, blah, blah," and get the response: "Is that some sort of module?"
GMs need to have a hardcore knowledge of how Eve works if we ever expect to get decent support from them. How many times have people complained that the GMs don't know what they're talking about? Or that the GMs don't know about well-documented bugs?
Just imagine how much worse things would be if the GMs didn't have ANY practical knowledge of the game.
Have you ever tried to explain Eve to a friend without demonstrating it to them? Can you completely explain the complexity and depth of the game to someone who has never played it and expect them fully to understand its vast depths?
I highly doubt it.
Originally by: rowbin hod
Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage.
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Ribbo
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Posted - 2005.12.14 11:54:00 -
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must suck to be in FE and have your alliance mates in this thread make you look like an alliance full of screaming smackhappy babies.
nice work GoDs+co, hope you all get your wrists slapped for behaving so well.
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Mangus Thermopyle
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Posted - 2005.12.14 12:56:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Ribbo
must suck to be in FE and have your alliance mates in this thread make you look like an alliance full of screaming smackhappy babies.
Yea, but BoB smacking in here is ok? I mean, this thread has absolutely nothing to do with you, and you dont even know what happened. I was there, so where the others that has complained in this thread.
Besides: BoB complaining about forum whoring is just as funny as Five complaining about smacktalkers in local
About the GMs: in the future, CCP should make sure that the GM that handles a petition is not in any way affiliated with enemies of the person that filed the petition. If that is done, situations like this one would occur less often.
For example: if an IRON member files a petition, a GM that has players in ASCN should NOT be the one who handles that petition. Same with F-E and Five, SA and SE, etc.
Originally by: Tholarim
And i don't mind being dispised.
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Randay
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Posted - 2005.12.14 14:25:00 -
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I havent read all these pages, and im not going to, but maybe this hasnt been brought up yet. sometimes when there is "normal" lag, there is a moment between actually losing all HP on your ship and appearing in your pod where some of your modules just disappear. maybe this is what happened? you guys jumped in and got "stucked" but were still popped, when they gms moved you you were moved but already dead. or something.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.12.14 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Randay
I havent read all these pages, and im not going to, but maybe this hasnt been brought up yet. sometimes when there is "normal" lag, there is a moment between actually losing all HP on your ship and appearing in your pod where some of your modules just disappear. maybe this is what happened? you guys jumped in and got "stucked" but were still popped, when they gms moved you you were moved but already dead. or something.
Yea thats what I said about the misisng items drones, also when ya stuck like that all commands tend to be qued & i wonder if some had let drones out to help protect them.
Also stop saying .5. cos realy we talking about ATUK not the .5. as a whole & its all been said many times before & can never be proved from the player side so is best left.
I found out last night ATUK is made of 10-15 year olds & realy cant have anyone with the morals to be a GM even remotly related to them.
Also see the inconsistant GM work metioned, wile the other night GM Ark nicely said " please dont " kill that stuck person & offcorse I didnt cos that would be lame & weak of me, last nights GM was more then happy to let ATUK use the server crash against us even when we had left 2 ATUK BS alone till more was online & made a verbel aggrement not to attack people as they logged on.
It shame witnessing such a lack of honor & they even had the front to smake local about jumping our camp with 2bs witch pre server crash they had run 10+ jumpes to aviod haha if they need such lameo kills to feel good I can maybe drop some empty ships at gates for um, hehe poor littles things.
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ZedLey
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Posted - 2005.12.14 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: SinBin
Originally by: Randay
I havent read all these pages, and im not going to, but maybe this hasnt been brought up yet. sometimes when there is "normal" lag, there is a moment between actually losing all HP on your ship and appearing in your pod where some of your modules just disappear. maybe this is what happened? you guys jumped in and got "stucked" but were still popped, when they gms moved you you were moved but already dead. or something.
Yea thats what I said about the misisng items drones, also when ya stuck like that all commands tend to be qued & i wonder if some had let drones out to help protect them.
Also stop saying .5. cos realy we talking about ATUK not the .5. as a whole & its all been said many times before & can never be proved from the player side so is best left.
I found out last night ATUK is made of 10-15 year olds & realy cant have anyone with the morals to be a GM even remotly related to them.
Also see the inconsistant GM work metioned, wile the other night GM Ark nicely said " please dont " kill that stuck person & offcorse I didnt cos that would be lame & weak of me, last nights GM was more then happy to let ATUK use the server crash against us even when we had left 2 ATUK BS alone till more was online & made a verbel aggrement not to attack people as they logged on.
It shame witnessing such a lack of honor & they even had the front to smake local about jumping our camp with 2bs witch pre server crash they had run 10+ jumpes to aviod haha if they need such lameo kills to feel good I can maybe drop some empty ships at gates for um, hehe poor littles things.
Your making up stuff
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.12.14 17:03:00 -
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please dont post more bollox simbim.
You guys already did a good job at your alliance look like idiots. No need for a rematch there.
As for last night, you had an agreement with us ? Mind to show me where one of our fleetcommanders stated in any medium used - be it irc, ts, msn or ingame that we would not engage you when it became obvious that you tried to gather a fleet ?
Not to mention i dont get why ppl think that either Atuk or 5 have other connections or nodes then anyone else ?
Ever thought that like the majority/all of our gang was also stuck or affected by the nodecrash (which basically affected all players in eve with the server reboots) ?
It must suck to be you and to suck at eve, when the only way of admitting defeat is blaming the exploit or gms are ?
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Metal Dude
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Posted - 2005.12.14 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: SinBin
Yea thats what I said about the misisng items drones, also when ya stuck like that all commands tend to be qued & i wonder if some had let drones out to help protect them.
Also stop saying .5. cos realy we talking about ATUK not the .5. as a whole & its all been said many times before & can never be proved from the player side so is best left.
I found out last night ATUK is made of 10-15 year olds & realy cant have anyone with the morals to be a GM even remotly related to them.
Also see the inconsistant GM work metioned, wile the other night GM Ark nicely said " please dont " kill that stuck person & offcorse I didnt cos that would be lame & weak of me, last nights GM was more then happy to let ATUK use the server crash against us even when we had left 2 ATUK BS alone till more was online & made a verbel aggrement not to attack people as they logged on.
It shame witnessing such a lack of honor & they even had the front to smake local about jumping our camp with 2bs witch pre server crash they had run 10+ jumpes to aviod haha if they need such lameo kills to feel good I can maybe drop some empty ships at gates for um, hehe poor littles things.
ItÆs funny how our enemies always complain about our smack, yet most of the time they are the ones that initiate it and then once we respond and yet again pawn them, either in local, on forums or in combat, then itÆs us that are the smackers. We donÆt start the smack but we finish it.
The only time we initiate the smack is when the enemy has and equal or superior fleet, yet wonÆt fight. Other then that, we only RESPOND to smack, but we do respond with a vengeance and I think we are pretty good at it, since it seems to tick our enemies off. Not bad for a bunch of 15 years old, hey? Good. Maybe that will get you to fight.
As for honor, well, we honor the agreements with people we respect. F-E is not one of them. IÆm not saying that we had and broke an agreement with F-E. IÆm just saying that why would we come to an agreement in the first place? We donÆt trust F-E with their drones/blobs/lag/3:1 odds tactics. Why agree to anything? Just because you ask for a cease-fire does not mean that we granted you a cease-fire. OK?
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.12.14 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: ZedLey
Originally by: SinBin
Originally by: Randay
I havent read all these pages, and im not going to, but maybe this hasnt been brought up yet. sometimes when there is "normal" lag, there is a moment between actually losing all HP on your ship and appearing in your pod where some of your modules just disappear. maybe this is what happened? you guys jumped in and got "stucked" but were still popped, when they gms moved you you were moved but already dead. or something.
Yea thats what I said about the misisng items drones, also when ya stuck like that all commands tend to be qued & i wonder if some had let drones out to help protect them.
Also stop saying .5. cos realy we talking about ATUK not the .5. as a whole & its all been said many times before & can never be proved from the player side so is best left.
I found out last night ATUK is made of 10-15 year olds & realy cant have anyone with the morals to be a GM even remotly related to them.
Also see the inconsistant GM work metioned, wile the other night GM Ark nicely said " please dont " kill that stuck person & offcorse I didnt cos that would be lame & weak of me, last nights GM was more then happy to let ATUK use the server crash against us even when we had left 2 ATUK BS alone till more was online & made a verbel aggrement not to attack people as they logged on.
It shame witnessing such a lack of honor & they even had the front to smake local about jumping our camp with 2bs witch pre server crash they had run 10+ jumpes to aviod haha if they need such lameo kills to feel good I can maybe drop some empty ships at gates for um, hehe poor littles things.
Your making up stuff
Would you care to elaberate ? I see you set some text as bold & if your pointing that out id like to know how you seem to know what was said between me & a GM ?.
Ill have to agree also we made the mistake of assuming ATUK member had some say in there corp actions, our mistake for not seeking out an FC since they was all crashed we had to take the word of ATUK member that could get online.
If you read my post on the main topic here I belive i see an ATUK stuck & not at any time did I assume it was done on purpose.
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Grimster
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Posted - 2005.12.14 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
id like to ask why the5 members were uneffected by this 'crash' while every single fe member was effected
That'll be because they share the secret of the "Lame Node" with BoB.
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Shamad Conde
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Posted - 2005.12.14 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: Shamad Conde on 14/12/2005 17:47:21
o_0
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Vegas
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Posted - 2005.12.14 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Metal Dude
We donÆt start the smack but we finish it.
That one's for my sig
Originally by: Metal Dude
We donÆt start the smack but we finish it.
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.12.14 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: SinBin
Ill have to agree also we made the mistake of assuming ATUK member had some say in there corp actions, our mistake for not seeking out an FC since they was all crashed we had to take the word of ATUK member that could get online.
If you read my post on the main topic here I belive i see an ATUK stuck & not at any time did I assume it was done on purpose.
another fine FE argument example.
We have persh claiming NO 5 member was crashed. We have you claiming all our FC's crashed (and prior to that that u only saw 2 of our supposed to be 10+ ppl fleet).
Not to mention that we actually had a node reboot last night. This means ALL nodes were rebooted and yet still some of us had login issues (like myself not beeing able to login till 0.00 and went to bed).
Quiet contradicting claims here FE dudes. Maybe it would make some sense if you actually try to syncronize your conspiracy theories, its bad if they contradict each other without 1 word added from our side.
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HellsRazor
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Posted - 2005.12.15 10:12:00 -
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ok i only read first post...
but id just like to say... i could not get into game... filed petition. i entered game 10min later, npc ed in my p[ricey ship...out of no where moved to hostile space 11 jumps from where i was...not at a station but at a ss in a hostile region. I yelled tp GM to put me back and i was finally placed back after a few minutes. BUT, why was i moved 11 jumps in space in hostile area? o and by a GM or was it dev..i get mixxed on terms...but who every filed my claim was an ex enemy of my alliance.
i mean it was algood i didnt die and he put me back...but im lost why it happen in first place 11 jumps in space ...in a hostile region with hostile pvpers in local.
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Mr Raine
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Posted - 2005.12.15 12:36:00 -
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i dont think the gms should have any other account or charector, they support the game and create the game, they should not be able to play , if you wish to test use your gm account on the test server, simple.
my thoughts on the matter,
and back tracking on certain matters is a no go. u make a decision u stick with it, this seems to be happening more often then not resently, you can either give in or hold your guns, and you falling off the seat becuase of mis communitcation etc etc, and lower people down your chain of command making incorrect decisions,
to sum up. gm's should not be able to have another charector/account,
and stick with your decisions, make sure u have the right person making the decisions,
mr raine,
oh and by the way, this is what i belief and maybe not what others share,
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2005.12.15 12:51:00 -
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heh...
Oh If I only valued disclosure more than I value the trust of friends...
Originally by: Oveur
I have access to all market data. Believe me, we have not reached anything close to deflation yet.
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Maud
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:51:00 -
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Ohh My the whine is an old one.
Case point
The Big VV-VCR fight
The JQA & 3rd front forces were fighting the old CA forces
(I use this as it was a mixed fleet & they were all in CA before it broke up. Suddenly an apparant Node crash resulting in just about all the JQA forces dropping offline. Needless to say 3rd front were now vastly outgunned & got maimed. The JQA pilots couldn't log back for 30 mins due to lag & then appeared in small numbers.
The consequences were far greater than the apparrent FE only crash but most pilots took it on the chin and got on with the fight next day. (3rd front pilots never trusted JQA fully again as a result tho)
This happens its rare & would be almost impossible for a GM to organise. Its another LAG induced incident & should be no suprise !
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