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ZedLey
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:17:00 -
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I would also like to ask where did F-E get the idea that we logged on in 9-2?
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Lamb Chop
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:18:00 -
[32]
We have been contacted by Arkonon and he is looking into it.
We appreciate the quick response...
All F-E is to cease posting on this subject.
LC
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GM Arkanon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:19:00 -
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There were pilots from both sides stuck in the system I was in. Mangus Thermopyle, who is the GM from 5? I remind you that you are in breach of the TOS and you are spreading unfounded and malicious gossip about something you know nothing about, since the GM who responded to the petitions is not a member of any alliance.
GM Arkanon
Senior Game Master
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:19:00 -
[34]
 Originally by: slothe
personally i doubt gms are biased.
but what happened was bizarre and im not surprised due to the turn of events that it was interpreted as favouratism.
weirdness ftw
QFT
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Garnerius De'Nugent
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:20:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle
Our pilot that lost his ship while stuck in warp and killed by Five who where not stuck DID petition it. And guess who responded? Yup, the GM from Five. And guess what he said? No, you can NOT have your ship or any cash for that shiploss.
Does that sound like a neutral GM?
Originally by: Oninous
I don't get the .5.
And i don't get FE.
.5. didn't get any ships back from the H-PA lagfest. FE don't get any ships back from this mess, and the GM's are biased in favour of .5.?
Education > Ranting tbh.
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:22:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Oninous
Originally by: Garnerius De'Nugent
Originally by: Amparo
We just wanted some sort of explanation ... how can some players be stuck and others not? ... several players managed to kill a ship in a system that other players got stuck in ... Not accusing anyone of anything here i'd just like to know how some people can be stuck and others not?
Just like how 80 .5. members got lagged out when 200 PA/NBSI/FE jumped into H-PA... how did the 200 northerns not get any lag, but 80 .5. members did? You all seem to have very short memories.
I remember this fleet battle... There was 150 ppl in local... All i saw that day was a blank screen for 30 minutes after the fight was over... but the 12 F-E that weren't looking at a blank screen said they saw one of your cargo cans warp away after they popped one of your ships LOL... We lost a few ships also. I don't get the .5. They come to fight us in our own space and complain of us blobbing...
a cargo can warped away?!
i gotta get me one of those :|
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:22:00 -
[37]
My FE char wasn't affected, bad lag but didn't crash.
It was just that more F-E suffered crashes than [5].
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:23:00 -
[38]
In retrospect I should have whined more on the forums about JV1V/Teneriffis and maybe we would have gotten such a quick response rather than the 3 months it took you to resolve that petition. 
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Oninous
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:24:00 -
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And i don't get FE.
.5. didn't get any ships back from the H-PA lagfest. FE don't get any ships back from this mess, and the GM's are biased in favour of .5.?
Education > Ranting tbh.
And your saying that F-E got back the ships they lost in the H-PA lagfest?
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Garnerius De'Nugent
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:26:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Garnerius De''Nugent on 11/12/2005 18:25:58
Originally by: Oninous
And your saying that F-E got back the ships they lost in the H-PA lagfest?
No, and that's what proves the GM's have no bias. If they did, the GM's would have shown bias towards F-E.
Originally by: GdN
Education > Ranting tbh.
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GM Wyrm
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:27:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Amparo
We just wanted some sort of explanation ... how can some players be stuck and others not? ... several players managed to kill a ship in a system that other players got stuck in ... Not accusing anyone of anything here i'd just like to know how some people can be stuck and others not?
The server works in mysterious ways my friend... GM Arkanon got stuck the second he went in there. If GM's could control who gets stuck and who doesn't, then surely we would be able to avoid getting stuck ourselves right? Some players from Five got stuck there as well.
A note on petitions. We do not issue reimbursements or even investigate reimbursement requests through stuck petitions. If you want to request reimbursement you will need to file a new petition through the Ask a Question page or send us an e-mail to [email protected].
GM Wyrm
Senior Game Master
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riker
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:32:00 -
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i did that and all i got was same old answer ." sry we cant do that" or our logs dont show" .. blah blah blah..
I would like to say thanks to GM arkanon. For taking a personal look into this. Stuff like this has gone on too long.. Thanks
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Oninous
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:35:00 -
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No, and that's what proves the GM's have no bias. If they did, the GM's would have shown bias towards F-E.
Now when did I say the GM's were biased? In all my previous posts, I stated this needed to be looked into due to the fact that re-imbursement was refused even though there was a clear indication of a bug that gave the pilots a clear disadvantage. Qoute me one post where I said any of the GM's were alts or anything related to the .5. Don't confuse my posts with other ppl's posts. It's pure BS when someone loses because of a similar situation.
Your right, the H-PA lagfest stunk. We took equal losses. We notched it up to the recent inability of the server to manage significant sized fleet battles. Neither side complained because we knew the issue. In this case we just contested the denial of re-imbursement due to the obvious one sided disadvantage of 13 F-E pilots being stuck, scattered, relieved of their drones and ammo. On top of that, 12+ .5. pilots were able to log on 2 system over, hop in fast frigs, jump into the system and attack a "stuck" ship in a system on a "crashed node". To cap it off, we didn't get a pop-up warning window until the pilot was in a pod.
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n00b script0r
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:36:00 -
[44]
Whats all this silly talk about 5 having GM's help us  
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thedragoon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:37:00 -
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I put in a complaint and you never got back to me... to be honest your GAME HAS alot of buggs and your gm's are rude at best.....
Please look into the one i still have open that 20 people saw and no reply...
To be frank your responce of people accusing in cheating of "getting old" is another sighn of your bad responce to a paying comunity and poor customer service will remain to be an issue if your GM's are not being sent on training to enhance your customer service....
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thedragoon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: n00b script0r
Edited by: n00b script0r on 11/12/2005 18:37:33
Whats all this silly talk about 5 having GM's help us
p.s.
We dont have GM's we have devs 
From what i have seen in the game i can quite belive it.
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Bayroo
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:39:00 -
[47]
Originally by: thedragoon
I put in a complaint and you never got back to me... to be honest your GAME HAS alot of buggs and your gm's are rude at best.....
Please look into the one i still have open that 20 people saw and no reply...
To be frank your responce of people accusing in cheating of "getting old" is another sighn of your bad responce to a paying comunity and poor customer service will remain to be an issue if your GM's are not being sent on training to enhance your customer service....
signed 
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Mangus Thermopyle
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:42:00 -
[48]
Originally by: GM Arkanon
Mangus Thermopyle, who is the GM from 5? I remind you that you are in breach of the TOS and you are spreading unfounded and malicious gossip about something you know nothing about, since the GM who responded to the petitions is not a member of any alliance.
Well, ofcoure the GM is not member of any alliance, but he has 'normal' players in Five. And I am not going to tell his name since that would probably get me banned. I am sure you can find the petition yourself.
If I am wrong I apologize, but I dont think I am.
Besides: how can we complain about biased GMs if we cant talk about what they did?
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Frank Dashwood
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:43:00 -
[49]
Originally by: thedragoon
I put in a complaint and you never got back to me... to be honest your GAME HAS alot of buggs and your gm's are rude at best.....
Please look into the one i still have open that 20 people saw and no reply...
To be frank your responce of people accusing in cheating of "getting old" is another sighn of your bad responce to a paying comunity and poor customer service will remain to be an issue if your GM's are not being sent on training to enhance your customer service....
Never thought i'd say this guy is right 
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GM Wyrm
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:43:00 -
[50]
Edited by: GM Wyrm on 11/12/2005 18:44:08
Originally by: thedragoon
I put in a complaint and you never got back to me... to be honest your GAME HAS alot of buggs and your gm's are rude at best.....
Please look into the one i still have open that 20 people saw and no reply...
Where did you file that? Do you have the incident # for it? I can't find an open petition on your account....
GM Wyrm
Senior Game Master
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Garnerius De'Nugent
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:45:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Oninous
Now when did I say the GM's were biased? blah blah blah....
Errr.... you didn't. Whatsmore, I never said you did 
Re-read my post (numbered 35 in this thread) and maybe think to yourself that i've quoted more than one person. Maybe think to yourself that i wasn't actually aiming my comments at you.
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Oninous
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Garnerius De'Nugent
Originally by: Oninous
Now when did I say the GM's were biased? blah blah blah....
Errr.... you didn't. Whatsmore, I never said you did
Re-read my post (numbered 35 in this thread) and maybe think to yourself that i've quoted more than one person. Maybe think to yourself that i wasn't actually aiming my comments at you.
And yet you keep quoting me and posting.... >.>
Not typical for somone to respond to comments regarding a post they quoted?
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MalaMo
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:49:00 -
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I read lot about something ppl call Customer Support ... What is that if I may ask ? 
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Tiwaz
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Tiwaz on 11/12/2005 18:51:00
ccp should remove this tread now.
Complaints about GM's should be petitioned, but not discussed here.
tiwaz
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Garnerius De'Nugent
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: Garnerius De''Nugent on 11/12/2005 18:51:15
Originally by: Oninous
And yet you keep quoting me and posting.... >.>
Not typical for somone to respond to comments regarding a post they quoted?
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=irony
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Eversor
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:52:00 -
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I would still appreciate it, if CCP in all its fairmindedness would create a list
of all characters created and used by CCP employees and its subcontractors, and post it somewhere in the forums. I think if it was a policy by CCP to make sure that its employees needed to report on who their characters are it would help a long ways to dispose of these allegations.
signed
/Eversor
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GM Arkanon
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:52:00 -
[57]
Originally by: MalaMo
I read lot about something ppl call Customer Support ... What is that if I may ask ?
Customer support are the GMs, who responded to your two stuck petitions and the seven emails you have sent to us.
GM Arkanon
Senior Game Master
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Tiuwaz on 11/12/2005 18:55:18
I do not think that spamming the forum as was done by F-E was exactly the right way to go. Neither do i think that GM's are favourising anyone. But then ppl were very agitated aswell.
To the GM's:
By no doubts you get tired of acusations but you also have to view it from the view of the ordinary player as in this case.
Fleet gets stuck. Petitions are issued. Ppl get moved into random systems without ammo/drones. At nearly same time ATUK rushes in, seamingly unaffected to the FE pilots. F-E pilots either stuck moved or without ammo. ATUK happy shooting. FE pilot petitions for reimbursment and gets told that you hope he'll recover from his unfortunate losss soon.
They are not in your shoes who see a bigger picture, they dont know 100% of all info. but can only judge formn what they experience. If you are surprised that some of those pilots got suspicious or openly blamed for favourism, well you shouldnt be. While I dont think its justified against the GM's, you should be prepared for such incidents. They happened in the past and they'll happen in the future. The normal Eve pilot that gets affected by such things ,only can judge from what he experiences and takes that as his proof.
to the h-pa comparison:
you cant compare those 2 incidents, they are too different with the main point being there was no GM's involved
h-pa would have been compareable when it went like that:
our fleet goes to 9-2, the lag makes all atuk stuck in h-pa and petition, GM reacts fast and put the ATUK members into different systems/places in h-pa without ammo/drones
then F-E jumps in kills some who are still stuck or got moved there without ammo/drones
if that happened then it would be comparable
and yes i do think that lag sucks and all ships that day at h-pa should have gotten reimbursed, still dont compare those 2, they are a different situation
Edit: typos, and wtf c o c kpit is a censored word? lol
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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Yolan
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:53:00 -
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FE members please refrain from making any more post on this topic. We will let the GM's carry out their investigations and then discuss it internally,
Thank you
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Endeva
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Posted - 2005.12.11 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Oninous
Originally by: Garnerius De'Nugent
Originally by: Amparo
We just wanted some sort of explanation ... how can some players be stuck and others not? ... several players managed to kill a ship in a system that other players got stuck in ... Not accusing anyone of anything here i'd just like to know how some people can be stuck and others not?
Just like how 80 .5. members got lagged out when 200 PA/NBSI/FE jumped into H-PA... how did the 200 northerns not get any lag, but 80 .5. members did? You all seem to have very short memories.
I remember this fleet battle... There was 150 ppl in local... All i saw that day was a blank screen for 30 minutes after the fight was over... but the 12 F-E that weren't looking at a blank screen said they saw one of your cargo cans warp away after they popped one of your ships LOL... We lost a few ships also. I don't get the .5. They come to fight us in our own space and complain of us blobbing...
knoe what this is very funny.you are the one complaining about we blobing you guys all the time.and as i remember you declare war on us? why didnt you come to curse? we come to you in you home sys.and the funniest part is you didnt know OUR CEO week ago but you know that we have GM in alliace.this is all just lame excuses for war because at the end of war you will blame ccp for your surender to us.i also lose some ship beacuse of laging and stuck and i dont whine on forums like you guys(every ppl in eve lose ship beacsuse of laging and stuck and dont make silly post).know what better surender now to me because this is good moment so you can blame you didint lose war beacuse of us.and its not like you lose one BS to us you lose aloot
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