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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:01:00 -
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I've said this in a few threads now, but wanted to give it a headline so that everyone can read this carefully and maybe we'll see the end of the great Goon whinefest. (I'm not holding my breath though)
Here's the skinny -
All miners and missioners have an incredibly powerful defense tool - its called a directional scanner. Every ship has one, this is piloting 101 here, nothing complicated.
The directional scanner tells you who is nearby - if you're mining in highsec, there should not be Brutixes or Thrasher gangs nearby.
While mining, stay aligned, and hit your scanner often. When you see a PvP ship appear on short range scan, simply WARP OUT OF DANGER.
This technique is 100% foolproof - if you are ganked, it is because you were not watching for danger.
Everyone needs to start taking responsibility for their ship, and stop blaming this on the Goons. The Goons can only catch the people who complacently allow them to warp in and scram their ship.
I dont know why the miners dont understand this already. Its very straightforward. At least now, you've all been educated. There is officially no excuse to be ganked in highsec anymore.
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Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:04:00 -
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You fail to understand why the miner's are complaining. They want to run their bots without worrying about getting ganked. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:05:00 -
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this is not new or interesting
it is however true, very true The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:07:00 -
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Finding a dead end system helps also... |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:09:00 -
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Dbars Grinding wrote:Finding a dead end system helps also...
This works in the most populated highsec hub as well as it does in the most empty system in nullsec.
And it works 100% of the time.
Instead, we have megathreads debating how to tank your mackinaw. *facepalm*
Best tank is to warp away. |
Millur
Blue Beret UFO Retrieval Team
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:09:00 -
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This is eve and this is the way we love it GÖÑ +1 to thread and a like You cant arrange them by *****... |
Paragon Renegade
The Multinational Company.
46
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:10:00 -
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....................Can't you just see them? "Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?"
"How wrong you are" |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:11:00 -
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Karadion wrote:You fail to understand why the miner's are complaining. They want to run their bots without worrying about getting ganked.
Hilarious |
mogwai
Gremlin Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:11:00 -
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Dbars Grinding wrote:Finding a dead end system helps also...
In low sec....
seriously, mining in low sec with local / scanner open is safer than mining in 0.5 and above these days |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
168
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:15:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:..... missioners have an incredibly powerful defense tool - its called a directional scanner. Every ship has one, this is piloting 101 here, nothing complicated.
The directional scanner tells you who is nearby - ........
I was peacefully missioning in my Abaddon the other day when someone in a Thrasher entered my mission but it didn't upset me. I also didn't use my D-scan.
Am I doing something wrong? |
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Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
463
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:17:00 -
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Jennifer Starling wrote:Am I doing something wrong? Yes...posting badly.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
336
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:18:00 -
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mogwai wrote:Dbars Grinding wrote:Finding a dead end system helps also... In low sec.... seriously, mining in low sec with local / scanner open is safer than mining in 0.5 and above these days
This is the whole point of why the Goons are doing what they are doing - its not simply for foolish pleasure, its also to motivate players to try new things.
If they actually had a bit of adventurous spirit, they would find that yes, most of low/null is in fact MUCH safer than mining in highsec, all you need is your D-scan. |
Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries Bloodbound.
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:28:00 -
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Stay aligned while mining?!?!?!
Have you ever even been in a belt never mind actually mined in one?????
******.....come back when you might actually know what you are talking about. I am a Pod Pilot:
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1109/Hostile-Takeover-by-Marek-Okon[1].jpg
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Placid PI Thundering Herd
29
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:32:00 -
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I totally agree with this.
I had to Ice Mine the past 3 mornings for my POS, and I actually got angry at how many are out there, not necessarily botting ice, but just flat-out AFK and 'doing the laundry' and actually saying such on Local.
Even when Noob you couldn't PAY me not to be staring at the screen, at least every 30 seconds or so while watching TV.
It truly is unbelievable. They are not playing in my opinion. Go ahead and 'splode them please.
And I realized awhile ago you CANNOT TANK A MACKINAW. Forget about it. There is absolutely nothing you can do if they are going to gank you. Hulks are a different story.
So, I just don't tank the Mackinaw at all except for it's ratting Drones. What's the point ? NOTHING will save that paper bag of a ship no matter what you try......so let go.
Besides, with just the 2 Harvesters, you can fit 2 of the Mining Upgrade II modules you otherwise could not......and that's 10 seconds fasterper cycle.
So, forget the Mack tank and BE AWARE. God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Placid PI Thundering Herd
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:35:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:Stay aligned while mining?!?!?!
Have you ever even been in a belt never mind actually mined in one?????
******.....come back when you might actually know what you are talking about.
erm......what exactly are you saying........?????????? God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Veronica Kerrigan
Hand Of Midas F0RCEFUL ENTRY
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:35:00 -
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Moreover, Highsec dscan is so cluttered as it is that even during wartime it isn't a good intelligence tool. For your plan to work, you have to sort through every yahoo in a combat ship worth less than 100 mil |
CorpAlt 18368
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:37:00 -
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It's goddamn easy to avoid a gank.
One option would be to mine aligned at 50% speed. Between the time that a ganker shows up on grid and the time they lock you, you _should_ be in warp if you're paying attention. With bulkheads and armor rigs on a Hulk, you can mine aligned at 50 m/s and instantly enter warp while only having to align to a different celestial every ~3 minutes.
It really isn't hard. Run the game in windowed mode, watch your overview and pay attention to ships that don't belong in an ice belt. If they get get real close, the ganker has probably scanned your ship and is warping to you at that moment.
I feel no sympathy for the idiots who cannot be bothered to be a little more attentive to their game, only to cry on the forums when they get ganked. It's EVE, folks - nobody needs your permission to kill you. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Placid PI Thundering Herd
29
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:37:00 -
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Veronica Kerrigan wrote:Moreover, Highsec dscan is so cluttered as it is that even during wartime it isn't a good intelligence tool. For your plan to work, you have to sort through every yahoo in a combat ship worth less than 100 mil
Agreed...unless you are in the literal dead middle of Amarr, this will ONLY work in Low Sec. God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Paragon Renegade
The Multinational Company.
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:38:00 -
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Can't they just look around & see them while staying aligned? "Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?"
"How wrong you are" |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Placid PI Thundering Herd
29
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:41:00 -
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CorpAlt 18368 wrote: With bulkheads and armor rigs on a Hulk, ............
And LOSE the low slots where the MU II Module should be ??? Try Shields next time..........like the Invuln Field II and a Shield recharge Rig. Hulks use SHIELDS SHIELDS SHIELDS. No WONDER people are losing Hulks by the thousands......... God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
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bilingi
Ghosts of the Storm
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:44:00 -
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Typical IAM STUPID post from OP. You can tell you dont mine. SO maybe shut up and go back to buying plexes and RMT ratting?
WHat an afk cloaker came in so you are waiting to redeploy your bots? |
Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:45:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Stay aligned while mining?!?!?!
Have you ever even been in a belt never mind actually mined in one?????
******.....come back when you might actually know what you are talking about. erm......what exactly are you saying........??????????
He doesn't understand that the OP mean static align, not active align.
#1 thing I've seen miner's do wrong - burying themselves in a rock field, leaving no clear warp out path... Sad...
Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. |
Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:46:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Stay aligned while mining?!?!?!
Have you ever even been in a belt never mind actually mined in one?????
******.....come back when you might actually know what you are talking about. erm......what exactly are you saying........??????????
He doesn't understand that OP mean static align, not active align.
#1 thing I've see miners do wrong all the time - burying themselves in a rock field, leaving no clear warp out path. Sad...
edit reason: fail forums.... Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:48:00 -
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bilingi wrote:Typical IAM STUPID post from OP. You can tell you dont mine. SO maybe shut up and go back to buying plexes and RMT ratting?
WHat an afk cloaker came in so you are waiting to redeploy your bots?
you would have less rage if you shot at something that shot back
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Scarlet des Loupes
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:49:00 -
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Look people, if you want to gank my mining boats go ahead, I'm definitely not going to stare at my mining lasers for 15 minutes. CCP better make mining more interesting or give Hulks more HP or whatever but I refuse to go paranoia. |
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
45
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:51:00 -
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What's this nonsense about being aligned? You've been spotted, frig uncloaks and bumps the hell out of you, allowing ample time for BC or even BS to lumber in and kill ya.
Jeez.
Also, OP doesn't get that all the Goon whine threads are started by Goon alts and heavily populated by goon slaves spewing 'Umadbro?'. Think of it as a desperate attempt to be in the public eye, seeing as they could own nullsec and the majority of eve pilots wouldn't give a rat's ass.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:54:00 -
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Karadion wrote:You fail to understand why the miner's are complaining. They want to run their bots without worrying about getting ganked.
Is your job title just "forum troll" as you seem to be everywhere doing exactly the same thing |
CorpAlt 18368
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:56:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:CorpAlt 18368 wrote: With bulkheads and armor rigs on a Hulk, ............ And LOSE the low slots where the MU II Module should be ??? Try Shields next time..........
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or you're simply stupid (I'll just cut to the chase and assume the latter), but if you want to mine ice in an ice field that's likely being scouted by a ganker's cloaked alt, you're going to have to give up some efficiency. I'll break it down for you.
Optimal range on ice harvesters (T1 and T2) is 10 km. This means that at 66 m/s (75% of your maximum speed with Nav V) you will have to realign every 5 minutes to stay in range. With bulkheads and armor rigs, your maximum speed is reduced to 64 m/s, allowing you to enter warp at 48 m/s. That means that you only have to realign every 7 minutes (although you DO align a little slower, but the difference is insignificant with only two bulkheads)
Regardless of what you're doing, you'd be stupid to fit IHUs in your lows if you're taking the risk of being ganked (hint: mining ice in a high-sec Gallente system is pretty damn risky.)
But please, continue to shoot down reasonable advice to people stupid enough to mine ice. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.25 22:56:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:Karadion wrote:You fail to understand why the miner's are complaining. They want to run their bots without worrying about getting ganked. Is your job title just "forum troll" as you seem to be everywhere doing exactly the same thing Nope, I'm in the "Ministry of Goon Posting". |
Erica Wolfe
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:00:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I've said this in a few threads now,
Yes, you have so why waste peoples time by starting another thread on the subject? |
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