Stay aligned while mining?!?!?!

Have you ever even been in a belt never mind actually mined in one?????

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or you're simply stupid (I'll just cut to the chase and assume the latter), but if you want to mine ice in an ice field that's likely being scouted by a ganker's cloaked alt, you're going to have to give up some efficiency. I'll break it down for you.

Optimal range on ice harvesters (T1 and T2) is 10 km. This means that at 66 m/s (75% of your maximum speed with Nav V) you will have to realign every 5 minutes to stay in range. With bulkheads and armor rigs, your maximum speed is reduced to 64 m/s, allowing you to enter warp at 48 m/s. That means that you only have to realign every 7 minutes (although you DO align a little slower, but the difference is insignificant with only two bulkheads)

Moreover, Highsec dscan is so cluttered as it is that even during wartime it isn't a good intelligence tool. For your plan to work, you have to sort through every yahoo in a combat ship worth less than 100 mil

Way too complicated to deal with that...all this 're-aligning' and nonsense. And Scripted Insta-Lock and Scram.......ain't no way outta that....and all the careful attention to timing your realigns is out the window with one POP.

SHEILD the Hulk and FORGET the tank on a Mackinaw. Stay aligned (staic) and a Prayer....that's all you have in a Mack. Period.

Uselesssly moving and tricky reallignes (especially with an Orca involved)...Goodl Lord there are better ways.......

Look people, if you want to gank my mining boats go ahead, I'm definitely not going to stare at my mining lasers for 15 minutes.
CCP better make mining more interesting or give Hulks more HP or whatever but I refuse to go paranoia.

Way too complicated to deal with that...all this 're-aligning' and nonsense. And Scripted Insta-Lock and Scram.......ain't no way outta that....and all the careful attention to timing your realigns is out the window with one POP.

Maybe Hans they arent rich like you and cant afford to buy Plexes and Bot programs?

What's this nonsense about being aligned? You've been spotted, frig uncloaks and bumps the hell out of you, allowing ample time for BC or even BS to lumber in and kill ya.

If you are aligned, at full speed (someone pointed out how to do this while giving yourself 7 minutes till you're out of harvester range), than when a frig decloaks next to you, warp off.

That's actually at 75% of max speed. You don't need to be at full speed to instantly enter warp, only 75%.

If you are aligned, at full speed (someone pointed out how to do this while giving yourself 7 minutes till you're out of harvester range), than when a frig decloaks next to you, warp off.

Don't give them time to align. You must be absolutely situationally aware, finger on the button, to GTFO. But if you're prepared, than the second you spot danger you are in warp, with zero wait time. Its not difficult, just takes focus.

You fail to understand why the miner's are complaining. They want to run their bots without worrying about getting ganked.

No offense, but you really should try mining before offering this advice. I'm sure to a non-miner it seems like sound advice. But take my word, it isn't. Nevermind the fact a miner is dumping the ore on a stationary container .

Ore miners are only at risk from casual gankers, not the GSF interdiction campaign. There is literally no reason to mine asteroids in Gallente high-sec, especially not in an ice system. Don't be an idiot.

No offense, but you really should try mining before offering this advice. I'm sure to a non-miner it seems like sound advice. But take my word, it isn't. Nevermind the fact a miner is dumping the ore on a stationary container .

Did you even read what I was addressing?

This works in the most populated highsec hub as well as it does in the most empty system in nullsec.

And it works 100% of the time.

Instead, we have megathreads debating how to tank your mackinaw. *facepalm*

Best tank is to warp away.

Here's the skinny -

This technique is 100% foolproof - if you are ganked, it is because you were not watching for danger.

hmm ok so you accordingly to your theory.. all miners in high sec need to do is clicking d-scan every 2s and once they see brutixes or something they dont like on it they hit warp .. well there is an chance about 1 percent at best that they will actually warp out sooner then the offenders warp in ..

What an brilliant idea.

you would have less rage if you shot at something that shot back

Completely False.

One cloaky ship sitting oppostie to the the inended victem of the brutix / cane sitting outside of scan range.
Warp to 10 km of the cloaking puts you at point blank range.

All the clicking in the world isn't going to get you out of the belt before you are destroyed.

But then again this is a game of lieing and scamming so I have to presume you are trying to get some poor miner to think they are completely safe.

It's not theory, and its not my brilliant idea. It's just fact. If you are aligned, and you see something on scan, and you punch warp, there is a 100% chance you will escape - if you are properly aligned at speed, you instawarp.

Defensive scanning techniques are a fundamental part of staying alive when faced with a hostile environment. The only problem is that miners dislike the fact that the hostile environment has come to them. There is no safe zone anymore, but that in no way breaks the game. Just forces people to pay attention while playing it.

Well

if you put it that way sure thats true. If you are alligned at 75 percent or max speed you instawarp and you are fine by then, however its tedious.

If you are passive alligned then there is really small chance you would warp out before they warp in and lock and point you.

They can actually mine at null sec with about same risk involved actually less risk since you see local and everything is hostile you dont have to guess twice.

I'd like to mention that most of the advice given in this thread (particularly by Hans and CorpAlt whatever) is actually very sound advice. If you are shocked by the concept of putting an iota of effort into protecting your assets, and instead opt to fill up the forums with rage-threads (to our delight), then you are playing the wrong game.

Nullsec mining? You're kidding, right?

/sorry for off-topic