You fail to understand why the miner's are complaining. They want to run their bots without worrying about getting ganked.

You understand that a ship can't lock you the moment it appears on grid, right? It has to exit warp ("land") first.

As far as aligning goes, you understand that this is part of daily life when ratting in 0.0 (at least with missiles) - right? I'm sorry that your AFK/inattentive playstyle is ultimately not working out for you.

All the clicking in the world isn't going to get you out of the belt before you are destroyed.

Stay aligned while mining?!?!?!

Have you ever even been in a belt never mind actually mined in one?????

******.....come back when you might actually know what you are talking about.

If you read my earlier posts I am anyting BUT afk. But you do prove my point as you do refer to ratting in Null where this is indeed a mechanic that must be used.

Unfortunately, we are talking about MINING here btw.

You don't actually start moving towards the celestial....just keep your bow pointed at it while you mine.

****....come back when you might actually know the mechanics.

This is entirely wrong. If you are not moving, it takes just as long to enter warp as it would if your ship was traveling at full speed in the opposite direction.

All miners and missioners have an incredibly powerful defense tool - its called a directional scanner. Every ship has one, this is piloting 101 here, nothing complicated.

The directional scanner tells you who is nearby - if you're mining in highsec, there should not be Brutixes or Thrasher gangs nearby.

While mining, stay aligned, and hit your scanner often. When you see a PvP ship appear on short range scan, simply WARP OUT OF DANGER.

This technique is 100% foolproof - if you are ganked, it is because you were not watching for danger.

Everyone needs to start taking responsibility for their ship, and stop blaming this on the Goons. The Goons can only catch the people who complacently allow them to warp in and scram their ship.

I dont know why the miners dont understand this already. Its very straightforward. At least now, you've all been educated. There is officially no excuse to be ganked in highsec anymore.

Yes, because in highly populated systems there's no chance that you'll ever see a brutix or thrasher, much less multiple ships on dscan.



Oh this is awesome advice. When mining, it's always a good tactic to move away from the roid you're mining. Your 15km range will give you plenty of time to fill your holds. Not like anyone wanting to attack you will just wait for you to head back to your roid when you're getting out of range of it.

BTW, aligned or not, if you're at a deadstop, which is kind of a prerequisite for MINING, it will take you exactly the same amount of time to warp off.



It's not 100% foolproof. It's just 100% foolish.

Why are you berating the miners when it's obvious you don't have a clue? It's like telling a victim of domestic violence that it's her fault, or beating your kids and telling them that they made you do it. You're a sociopathic idiot!

No, the crux of the problem is not the lack of dscan, the lack of alignment, planning, or whatever other excuse you want to use to tell the miners it's their fault. The crux is their ships are incapable of defending themselves, that by the mechanics of the game requires them to be stationary targets, and that by fitting any tank to their ship would mean ganking their productivity. Lets face the facts. Mining sucks for income. Having to gank your productivity just adds insult to injury.

You're a pompous ass!

Yes, because in highly populated systems there's no chance that you'll ever see a brutix or thrasher, much less multiple ships on dscan.

Oh this is awesome advice. When mining, it's always a good tactic to move away from the roid you're mining. Your 15km range will give you plenty of time to fill your holds. Not like anyone wanting to attack you will just wait for you to head back to your roid when you're getting out of range of it.

BTW, aligned or not, if you're at a deadstop, which is kind of a prerequisite for MINING, it will take you exactly the same amount of time to warp off.

It's not 100% foolproof. It's just 100% foolish.

Why are you berating the miners when it's obvious you don't have a clue? It's like telling a victim of domestic violence that it's her fault, or beating your kids and telling them that they made you do it. You're a sociopathic idiot!

No, the crux of the problem is not the lack of dscan, the lack of alignment, planning, or whatever other excuse you want to use to tell the miners it's their fault. The crux is they're in ships incapable of defending themselves, that by the mechanics of the game requires them to be stationary targets, and that by fitting any tank to their ship would mean ganking their productivity. Lets face the facts. Mining sucks for income. Having to gank your productivity just adds insult to injury.

You're a pompous ass!

What works in lowsec is not practical in hisec. While you may be able to avoid getting ganked you wouldn't get any mining done so essentially you would be wasting your time.

If you convinced everybody to do this what would keep a single pilot from warping in to each belt every five minutes just to make them all warp out? You would have a ganker with no ganks and a bunch of miners with no ore. Sounds kind of boring.

passive aligned, active aligned. lol. The physics engine isn't even aware of the ship orientation.

It is totally irrelevant where a not moving ship is facing.

This is why I said, if you get ganked, its your own fault. Go live fearlessly, miners and industrialists - get out and explore - find a rich quiet system and mine without hassle! Scan when a target enters system, relax when they leave. You can live wherever you want, work wherever you want. Be bold. Be brave. Be informed.

These words would be inspiring if OP was mining ice right now in Tolle. But he's not. And he won't be. At least not for long.

"Scan when a target enters system, relax when they leave." <<<< especially amusing, as that's when the rock or ice nearest you has been bookmarked, yeah relax, he left the system.

OP gets 11/10 for pig-headedly thinking he knows what he's talkiing about. Make that 12/10 actually.
Go on, tell me it's not your opinion, it's facts, that's such a great argument.

You fail to see why the goons want the miners to complain. They want to run their ratting bots without drawing attention.

Could you suggest a better alternative?

Here, let me help you:

1) Mining in a tanked Hulk with a remote rep on you and being volleyed by 2 Tempests. Can you tank two Tempests? Alright, they'll bring more.
2) Having "counter-gankers" with ECM nearby and dying to smartbombs.
3) Having "counter-gankers" with DPS ships nearby and, again, dying anyway.
4) Mining while sitting still and, again, dying.

Could you suggest a better alternative?

Here, let me help you:

1) Mining in a tanked Hulk with a remote rep on you and being volleyed by 2 Tempests. Can you tank two Tempests? Alright, they'll bring more.
2) Having "counter-gankers" with ECM nearby and dying to smartbombs.
3) Having "counter-gankers" with DPS ships nearby and, again, dying anyway.
4) Mining while sitting still and, again, dying.

Death is inevitable its part of the live. And if the miner is truly active he shouldnt have any problem with d-scan and alligning to SS and keeping distance with minimum transgression between warp out points. And it would be partly beneficial to other gameplay

Death is inevitable its part of the live. And if the miner is truly active he shouldnt have any problem with d-scan and alligning to SS and keeping distance with minimum transgression between warp out points. And it would be partly beneficial to other gameplay

Could you suggest a better alternative rather than discouraging miners from experimenting with the tactics discussed in this thread?

You fail to understand why the miner's are complaining. They want to run their bots without worrying about getting ganked.

Exactly. There's your 191st Like.

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