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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.12.13 17:53:00 -
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Okay so most of people know that I was away from EVE 8 month and now returning, seeing that my agent system is full of people and LOOT THIEVES!
Okay I can live with loot thieves, even bold ones who asks help when you warp away and pirates aggros 'em - BUT there is new "kid on the block" .. HEALERS.
Thats right! There is people in LOGISTIC ships (Basilisk) HEALING ships that I'm supposed to kill for my reward. I'm shocked and in horror to see this kind of behavior. I might even say that people in WoW is more mature 
At least RMR will deal people stealing loot but what about this new harasment "style"?? 
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.12.13 17:58:00 -
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while immature, ridiculous and pointless, it is pretty funny, and is definitely an original way of griefing
Where is my I-win button, CCP?
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Zophi
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Posted - 2005.12.13 17:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Kuolematon
Okay so most of people know that I was away from EVE 8 month and now returning, seeing that my agent system is full of people and LOOT THIEVES!
Okay I can live with loot thieves, even bold ones who asks help when you warp away and pirates aggros 'em - BUT there is new "kid on the block" .. HEALERS.
Thats right! There is people in LOGISTIC ships (Basilisk) HEALING ships that I'm supposed to kill for my reward. I'm shocked and in horror to see this kind of behavior. I might even say that people in WoW is more mature
At least RMR will deal people stealing loot but what about this new harasment "style"??
As long as its used against macrominers, fine by me. But using it against other players hunting rats etc. is not cool...
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Megadon
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Okay so most of people know that I was away from EVE 8 month and now returning, seeing that my agent system is full of people and LOOT THIEVES!
Okay I can live with loot thieves, even bold ones who asks help when you warp away and pirates aggros 'em - BUT there is new "kid on the block" .. HEALERS.
Thats right! There is people in LOGISTIC ships (Basilisk) HEALING ships that I'm supposed to kill for my reward. I'm shocked and in horror to see this kind of behavior. I might even say that people in WoW is more mature
At least RMR will deal people stealing loot but what about this new harasment "style"??
You're saying that ppl in logistics ships are healing the npc's you'r supposed to be killing? oh my That's a new one! CCP should flag these bastards for healing the npc pirates so you can shoot them too!
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:01:00 -
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:10:00 -
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Yes they should be flagged for healing NPC's that I try to kill to get mission reward 
And for that war, go against whole alliance alone? Yeah right 
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:12:00 -
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AHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA AHAHAAHAHAAH AHAHA (im sorry *snif*) AAAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHHAHA HAHA( JUST CANT STOP) AHAh... *gasp*
Kuolematon, old bud, do as old frend told ya looong loong ang and move to 0.4> 
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:13:00 -
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"button" Harassment and Exploit
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Cabadrin
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:15:00 -
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Sorry, this is hilarious 
I've gotta try this for myself!
On a serious note, a harassment petition would probably work best.
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Harisdrop
"button" Harassment and Exploit
WHAT? i, or anyone else got all the right in the world to heal peoples like jesus told us to do.
NPC got rights too... kekekekekekkekekee this is hilarios
i will train logisticks just for this, oh yes i will.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:24:00 -
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Rofl, i gotta try that too.
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Kurren
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Harisdrop
"button" Harassment and Exploit
WHAT? i, or anyone else got all the right in the world to heal peoples like jesus told us to do.
NPC got rights too... kekekekekekkekekee this is hilarios
i will train logisticks just for this, oh yes i will.
It is a type of harassment though... so have your fun, but be careful.
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Rand McNally
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Rand McNally on 13/12/2005 18:26:58
Originally by: Cabadrin
On a serious note, a harassment petition would probably work best.
Why?
ffs this game is gonna go the way of ultima online if people start petitioning harrasment on stuff like this.
You want the game so dumbed down to the point where every little thing has some sort of artificial and unrealistic restraints put in re: insta-whack concord etc.
People should stop running to the Devs and GM's all the time when they can take matters into their own hands.
Healing NPC's is a legitimate tactic (and grounds for some good roleplay too). Another legitimate tactic is for the "victim" to seek revenge either by war deccing the healers corp, blowing up the healer if in low sec, or hiring mercenaries to frag his ass.
Filing petions all the time does nothing but get the nerf bat dusted off, and eve dumbed down even further
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My grandfather
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:30:00 -
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I almost crapped my pants reading the OP. That is just... just... genious...
Let them have some fun. You can always take out a bigger ship and beat those rats even when they are being healed...
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HostageTaker
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Harisdrop
"button" Harassment and Exploit
What if the guy is a roleplayer and he's fighting back against the people that kill his NPC pirate brothers?
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kurren
It is a type of harassment though... so have your fun, but be careful.
Well is ore theft, wardeccing n00bs, stealing loot, using rude words and hell, having a faster ship then someone else because it allows you to reach your destination sooner then the other guy which is just plain griefin'... 
You dont see CCP doing much against any of those 
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:34:00 -
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Well, I got reply from GM and said its allowed tactic
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Cabadrin
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:36:00 -
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Aaaahahahaah! Allowed tactic! That's it, I'm heading down to Rens and healing the NPCs now.
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:38:00 -
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Sykosys
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:38:00 -
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If you warp out they will attack the guy healing them no??
Heh well a new low yes but one that is not 100% fullproof.
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Lunaticdie04
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:39:00 -
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Hehehe. I'm sure if you warp away the NPCs will attack the people healing them.
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:40:00 -
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Infact no it didn't attack and stop making fun of me or start using this tactic. How on earth I get feeling that I just like "opened pandora's chest"  
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:41:00 -
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I would considor this harrassment and it should be fixed quickly.
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David Corbett
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:44:00 -
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I invite anyone in a healing ship down to Feythabolis one of these days so they can heal one of the rats I'm hunting. Please bring T2 gear, implants, and bookmarks to hidden complexes in your cargohold. Maybe a few thousand megacyte too.
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:49:00 -
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LMAO this is original This is what makes this game great. Players and there creative approach to everything
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Ozzie Asrail
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:50:00 -
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It's not really original, you could do the exact same in EQ.
Please dont remove it but DO flag the healer just like if they were healing a player.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.12.13 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
stuff
Do your missions in 0.4 or lower sec, higher isk and LP rewards and you can shoot people who **** you off.
Don't be a wuss 
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Sentani
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Posted - 2005.12.13 19:06:00 -
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hilarius...
its just to clever...
its like oveur once said "give the player a stick and you never know what theyll do with it" or something like that
anyway...
id call in a friend in a gank ship and overpower the healer...
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.12.13 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Well, I got reply from GM and said its allowed tactic
Of course. It's roleplayable and basically a form of piracy.
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.12.13 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Dove
Of course. It's roleplayable and basically a form of piracy.
Well thats where it fails. I want to have way to counter it, attack him or whatever!!! It's RISKFREE GRIEFING!
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Demon Johnson
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Posted - 2005.12.13 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
I want to have way to counter it, attack him or whatever!!! It's RISKFREE GRIEFING!
Ermm....declare? Is that funny (Pfffff..) guy in an alliance or noob corp?
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.12.13 19:54:00 -
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Excellent. More and more of the devoted are becoming one with the grief.
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Yuki Li
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Posted - 2005.12.13 19:55:00 -
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i fully endorse this product and/or grief tactic.
http://www.killboard.net
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2005.12.13 20:15:00 -
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It's nice to see some original gameplay.
As for the harrassment thing - well, only if some guy follows you round healing rats all the time. By definition, harrassment has to be a repeated series of actions against someone.
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Lord Frost
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Posted - 2005.12.13 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rand McNally
Edited by: Rand McNally on 13/12/2005 18:28:26
Originally by: Cabadrin
On a serious note, a harassment petition would probably work best.
Healing NPC's is a legitimate tactic (and grounds for some good roleplay too). Another legitimate tactic is for the "victim" to seek revenge either by war deccing the healers corp, blowing up the healer if in low sec, or hiring mercenaries to frag his ass.
Filing petions all the time does nothing but get the nerf bat dusted off, and eve dumbed down even further
Its legitimate if you can attack the healer... get a clue! yea, its quite funny, but if you heal a player attacking someone the healer is also a target... in this situation it is not.
i'm sure this will be looked at... so get your thrills while you can.
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Valrandir
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Posted - 2005.12.13 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Scalor Valentis
AHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA AHAHAAHAHAAH AHAHA (im sorry *snif*) AAAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHHAHA HAHA( JUST CANT STOP) AHAh... *gasp*
My impression as well
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BoinKlasik
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Posted - 2005.12.13 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Demon Johnson
Originally by: Kuolematon
I want to have way to counter it, attack him or whatever!!! It's RISKFREE GRIEFING!
Ermm....declare? Is that funny (Pfffff..) guy in an alliance or noob corp?
what and wait 24 hrs before you can do anything? mission expires by then ;)
seriously this sounds like the ore theft stuff tho, it was riskfree, now its not but with a bunch of unintended side effects. (aka, flag the person healing to you like with cans, but now an apoc can come in there and slightly heal a large npc, then when you fire on them...welll /me wavies.)
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.12.13 20:39:00 -
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Seems like all uber "pirates and pvpers" says that this is nice and valid tactic while people who suffers from this says otherwise.
I don't mind if someone is stupid enought to heal those NPC's but at least make it that I can shoot em down too!
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2005.12.13 20:39:00 -
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Oh my
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Rand McNally
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Posted - 2005.12.13 20:45:00 -
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Edited by: Rand McNally on 13/12/2005 20:45:54
Originally by: Lord Frost
Originally by: Rand McNally
Edited by: Rand McNally on 13/12/2005 18:28:26
Originally by: Cabadrin
On a serious note, a harassment petition would probably work best.
Healing NPC's is a legitimate tactic (and grounds for some good roleplay too). Another legitimate tactic is for the "victim" to seek revenge either by war deccing the healers corp, blowing up the healer if in low sec, or hiring mercenaries to frag his ass.
Filing petions all the time does nothing but get the nerf bat dusted off, and eve dumbed down even further
Its legitimate if you can attack the healer... get a clue! yea, its quite funny, but if you heal a player attacking someone the healer is also a target... in this situation it is not.
What's stopping you from attacking the healer? If you're in low sec, where's the problem? If you're in high sec, and you're afraid of an insta-whack from concord, well thats what happens when people petiton constantly for an easy fix instead of figuring stuff out for themselves.
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Khargos
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Posted - 2005.12.13 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Seems like all uber "pirates and pvpers" says that this is nice and valid tactic while people who suffers from this says otherwise.
What did you expect?
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.12.13 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: Corvus Dove
Of course. It's roleplayable and basically a form of piracy.
Well thats where it fails. I want to have way to counter it, attack him or whatever!!! It's RISKFREE GRIEFING!
You have a way. Fit bigger guns.
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Jocindus
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Posted - 2005.12.13 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Seems like all uber "pirates and pvpers" says that this is nice and valid tactic while people who suffers from this says otherwise.
I don't mind if someone is stupid enought to heal those NPC's but at least make it that I can shoot em down too!
That's what low sec and 0.0 are for.
If you want the protection of Concord while you NPC then you have to risk some annoyances.
I think this is about the funniest new tactic I've heard of yet.
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Waut
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Posted - 2005.12.13 21:43:00 -
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at this topic
Healing NPC's is pure eeeeevilll
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Posted - 2005.12.13 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Okay so most of people know that I was away ...
Sorry, mate, never heard of you.
Ah, couldn't resist as that made me giggle. Oops.
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pxmars
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Posted - 2005.12.13 22:54:00 -
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Well now that is a new one...Being unable to do anything to the healer sucks. I think if you heal a npc and your not in the gang you should get shot by the people who are fighing them. when you heal a npc your picking sides and should be include in the mission then as a target.. You want to role play well if you heal the enemy then you should be come the enemy to the other people. Lets take this role bit just a tad farther instead of letting some under age ****er cream his pants by making other people life miserable.
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Guntaro
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Posted - 2005.12.13 23:27:00 -
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Ha Ha, that IS funny!
Almost as funny as the bug in another MMORPG where a guys ship launched its engine at the enemy like a torpedo!
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DarkStar251
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Posted - 2005.12.14 00:03:00 -
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By far the MOST fun is when you log in after DT and chase the 30 other people through the serpentis 3/10 complex (the 2 minutes after the server comes up is the only time you find this complex uncamped) and repair the station at the end that drops the gistii loot :)
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.12.14 07:13:00 -
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Gah you people are really .. sick
Perhaps people should just really understand that this is another risk free griefing and this was one of the first event happened. If there is going to be more people doing this, I think something will eventually happen to this tactic
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Scalor Valentis
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Posted - 2005.12.14 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Gah you people are really .. sick
Perhaps people should just really understand that this is another risk free griefing and this was one of the first event happened. If there is going to be more people doing this, I think something will eventually happen to this tactic
rofl what? Stop smoking POLE!
You are doing thous lvl 4 behind concords back, talk abaut risk free
Remeber that ALL MIGHTY NPC protection is a two-edged sword, and not foolproof supernanny you want it to be. It can swing both ways
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Maggot
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Posted - 2005.12.14 09:18:00 -
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To make this fair you should get a standing hit against the npc faction's enemies, plus maybe the the flagging as already suggested.
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Sybylle
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Posted - 2005.12.14 09:33:00 -
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Definitely the best Griefing, ever
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Posted - 2005.12.14 10:44:00 -
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This new flavor of piracy is called "Red Cross Ransoming". You don't need a Tec 2 ship. A capa fitted Maller with a med remore repair last out to put your victim under pressure. Simply ask for halve the mission reward to leave him alone. If you be polite you have a good chance to get some easy money.
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specis
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Posted - 2005.12.14 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Well, I got reply from GM and said its allowed tactic
soo I got this right it's allowed tactic too 'help npc rats' ?
that opens up a new possibility too let npc rats kill some other 'miners' ?
kill macro miners hehehe
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Joseph Dredd
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Posted - 2005.12.14 11:12:00 -
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Of to get my logistics ship now
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Encad Briht
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Posted - 2005.12.14 11:24:00 -
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With RMR no need more to use logistics....
Now you just get a cruiser with the bonus.. Osprey for
example.... i think i am going to let my logistic in Bay...
and CCP i want my lvl5 trainigs back, thx for screwing logis finally
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Meijin Touya
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Posted - 2005.12.14 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Scalor Valentis
Originally by: Kuolematon
Gah you people are really .. sick
Perhaps people should just really understand that this is another risk free griefing and this was one of the first event happened. If there is going to be more people doing this, I think something will eventually happen to this tactic
rofl what? Stop smoking POLE!
You are doing thous lvl 4 behind concords back, talk abaut risk free
Remeber that ALL MIGHTY NPC protection is a two-edged sword, and not foolproof supernanny you want it to be. It can swing both ways
Yes, you are 100% correct, Concord now pay back all ammo spent on missions and if you lose your ships with named mods, they give you it back with 1 unit of trit.
Please grow a brain and learn the definition of "risk free" before spouting nonsense like this, it's insulting. Unless it has changed in RMR, ship loss affects mission runners as much as anyone else, and is in many cases more frequent.
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Posted - 2005.12.14 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: gfldex
This new flavor of piracy is called "Red Cross Ransoming". You don't need a Tec 2 ship. A capa fitted Maller with a med remore repair last out to put your victim under pressure. Simply ask for halve the mission reward to leave him alone. If you be polite you have a good chance to get some easy money.
...and theres me thinking life was too short to play Eve. Some idiot prefers to spend his time with this rather pathetic form of grief play. Don't kid yourself it's about the ransom. The kid at the other end of the cable is s******ing like Beavis while his mate Butthead is sitting in the corner with his **** in his hand. I ask you. Can't we have a server called "HELL" where people like this can play in peace?
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Sennju Zensu
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Posted - 2005.12.14 12:04:00 -
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funny!!
btw why whinning or petitionning?
its legitimate! it's a very good Roleplaying act! if the healer is "allied" with the faction you was blowing....this is not an exploit or anything 
passive piracy
btw sure its boring, if guys make that in my mission will shoot em or just warp out
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2005.12.14 12:41:00 -
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Well now this is sad...
I came up with this tactic here , as a way to deal with macro miners in empire space with npc's in the belt.
Its such a shame that griefers take this to a new low against players just playing the game.
Of course this will create a need for CCP to "fix" this to dis-allow a clever tactic to help the player war against macro'rs, on account of a few nimords that feel the need to grief people.
I'm now sorry I posted it.
/sigh, "no good deed goes unpunished....."
Kaaii
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Vathar
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Posted - 2005.12.14 12:49:00 -
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well, doing mostly my fighting outside hi-sec space, I probably won't be bothered with this, so I find it hilarious ...
On a balancing/rp note, you only need to flag the healer for assisting and then, problem solved, "the friend of my enemy is my enemy"
Won't help if people rain $h1t on the shoulder of those who do lvl.1 missions while healing in an apoc though, but they can always go to less crowded places were they are not likely to find a healer wandering around ...
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Posted - 2005.12.14 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii
/sigh, "no good deed goes unpunished....."
Kaaii
Road to hell is pawned with good intentions.
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Posted - 2005.12.14 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: Kaaii
/sigh, "no good deed goes unpunished....."
Kaaii
Road to hell is pawned with good intentions.
Yes, appearently so.... 
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Meijin Touya
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Posted - 2005.12.14 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii
Well now this is sad...
I came up with this tactic here , as a way to deal with macro miners in empire space with npc's in the belt.
Its such a shame that griefers take this to a new low against players just playing the game.
Of course this will create a need for CCP to "fix" this to dis-allow a clever tactic to help the player war against macro'rs, on account of a few nimords that feel the need to grief people.
I'm now sorry I posted it.
/sigh, "no good deed goes unpunished....."
Kaaii
Unfortunately, it is not your place nor right to take justice into your own hands. It is CCP's sole province and shouldn't be any other way.
You might think it's justified, but the reason is that most societies implement "Innocent until proven guilty" and vigilantism side steps that rule. Not only are you potentially harming innocent players, but you are also disregarding one of the pillar concepts of society.
Now, if you are an appointed representative of CCP games, then you might actually be able to do something, since they would appoint you by certain procedures, therefore preventing(hopefully) any abuse.
Like someone said, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2005.12.14 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Meijin Touya
Originally by: Kaaii
Well now this is sad...
I came up with this tactic here , as a way to deal with macro miners in empire space with npc's in the belt.
Its such a shame that griefers take this to a new low against players just playing the game.
Of course this will create a need for CCP to "fix" this to dis-allow a clever tactic to help the player war against macro'rs, on account of a few nimords that feel the need to grief people.
I'm now sorry I posted it.
/sigh, "no good deed goes unpunished....."
Kaaii
Unfortunately, it is not your place nor right to take justice into your own hands. It is CCP's sole province and shouldn't be any other way.
You might think it's justified, but the reason is that most societies implement "Innocent until proven guilty" and vigilantism side steps that rule. Not only are you potentially harming innocent players, but you are also disregarding one of the pillar concepts of society.
Now, if you are an appointed representative of CCP games, then you might actually be able to do something, since they would appoint you by certain procedures, therefore preventing(hopefully) any abuse.
Like someone said, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Well im not sure what you are saying here...
Resivour Dogs(and others) are out there killing the macro miners in kestels and taking sec hits and loosing money, while taking these guys down.(with the appearant nod from CCP) From what Ive read, most of the communtiy accepts, if not applaudes thier efforts.
My method is just another form of this "community policing action".
What concerns me is the "abuse of abuses(?)", if it is indeed an ileagal option. IE: Is it ok to take down barges(re:macro miners) in kestels but not remote shield tank rats in belts to do the same thing?
I'm assuming by Quote:
not your place nor right to take justice into your own hands
you mean the community?
"..Id rather fall beside 10 lions, then stand with One thousand sheep.."
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Moominer
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Posted - 2005.12.14 17:51:00 -
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What if the guy is a roleplayer and he's fighting back against the people that kill his NPC pirate brothers?
whilst I don't believe griefing should be removed from EVE, it would be nice if the griefers had the guts to admit that what they are doing is griefing instead of hiding behind really poor excuses like this one.
for everyone 1 person that heals NPCs for "roleplay" reasons, there must be 10 others doing it for kicks and giggles, to see the reaction of the poor guy shooting and saying "what the hell at this 1mil bs tank" and nothing more....
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Virida
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Posted - 2005.12.14 18:08:00 -
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Omg
Not shure what i mean about it, it can be an griefing exploit, or simply "mean" tactics, but part of game, etc. Unless all in eve start healing an npc frig rat so it kill afk miners, im not shure its so big.
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Meijin Touya
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Posted - 2005.12.14 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kaaii
Originally by: Meijin Touya
Originally by: Kaaii
Well now this is sad...
I came up with this tactic here , as a way to deal with macro miners in empire space with npc's in the belt.
Its such a shame that griefers take this to a new low against players just playing the game.
Of course this will create a need for CCP to "fix" this to dis-allow a clever tactic to help the player war against macro'rs, on account of a few nimords that feel the need to grief people.
I'm now sorry I posted it.
/sigh, "no good deed goes unpunished....."
Kaaii
Unfortunately, it is not your place nor right to take justice into your own hands. It is CCP's sole province and shouldn't be any other way.
You might think it's justified, but the reason is that most societies implement "Innocent until proven guilty" and vigilantism side steps that rule. Not only are you potentially harming innocent players, but you are also disregarding one of the pillar concepts of society.
Now, if you are an appointed representative of CCP games, then you might actually be able to do something, since they would appoint you by certain procedures, therefore preventing(hopefully) any abuse.
Like someone said, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Well im not sure what you are saying here...
Resivour Dogs(and others) are out there killing the macro miners in kestels and taking sec hits and loosing money, while taking these guys down.(with the appearant nod from CCP) From what Ive read, most of the communtiy accepts, if not applaudes thier efforts.
My method is just another form of this "community policing action".
What concerns me is the "abuse of abuses(?)", if it is indeed an ileagal option. IE: Is it ok to take down barges(re:macro miners) in kestels but not remote shield tank rats in belts to do the same thing?
I'm assuming by Quote:
not your place nor right to take justice into your own hands
you mean the community?
As a part of a real life community, mainly civilization, I have given both judgement and trust to the elected officials. Who am I to kill, rape, or maim a rapist, if I have given that authority to a governmental figure? I could of course object to lenient judgement, as well as others in the community, but we - the people - voted for the current government and if they are doing a bad job I can choose to elect another one next time. It is not a perfect system, as human nature prevents it, but it is better than the alternative.
Perhaps a better analogy is in order. Let us take for example child abusers. Now, these individuals are downright despicable and most people I know - me included - would want to take care of them ourselves, but by doing so, we would forfeit whatever safety and security we have established by electing a governing body. Now, those individuals we despise so much, are usually greeted coldly when sent to jail, where they are raped, beaten, and so on.
There you have two opposing groups: Society at large, that desires vengeance, but has given those powers to the government, and the criminals who in turn have no regrets over any actions and would care less if they killed another man; unless maybe in Texas and where the death penalty card is played continuously.
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.12.14 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Okay so most of people know that I was away from EVE 8 month
You were? Strange I've talked to you in game and fought you on SiSi within recent months then
Originally by: Avon
I actually enjoy crafting in EQ2.
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