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Tauge
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Posted - 2005.12.15 12:14:00 -
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I'm not complaining, I'm just curious. Why does it take so long to put in a new content patch?
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Azuriel Talloth
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Posted - 2005.12.15 12:16:00 -
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The Hamsters need to undergo 24 hours of intense psycho-therapy so they know how fast to run for the new patch.
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Posted - 2005.12.15 12:17:00 -
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I'm assuming it has to do with the fact that the new patch is upwards of 60 megs, and many of the things that are being upgraded involve upgrading database items, and I'm assuming they are probably doing a bit of cleanup as well. Not to mention with how big this game is, when all the changes are applied, they need to do alot of testing to make sure the whole thing doesn't crash down for some reason.
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Glassback
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Posted - 2005.12.15 12:21:00 -
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The process only takes an hour or so. The reason realy is because CCP spent the evening getting drunk.
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Dak Hakin
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Posted - 2005.12.15 12:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Glassback
The process only takes an hour or so. The reason realy is because CCP spent the evening getting drunk.
G.
Thats right, gotta have recovery time ya know!
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2005.12.15 12:23:00 -
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How about they just FINALLY learned that telling us its going to be a 6hrs patch and then delaying relaunch 4 times and having a buggy after-patch day after deployement is worst then just telling us its 24hrs DT and making us all happy by delivering on time and smooth ?
If that's the case it only took them 2 years to figure it out :)
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Mallikanth
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Posted - 2005.12.15 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: Mallikanth on 15/12/2005 12:24:34
Well if you're realy lucky you'll get a nice answer from a dev, in ohhhh about 8 hours time.
In the meantime you'll have to make do with our guestimate and incomplete replies.
If you read the dev blogs you can see there are lots of changes and every piece of kit in the Eve Universe has to comply with those changes and be seen to be working at the end of it (we hope). I would hope you can appreciatte how long this takes for 80000 subscribers accross x number of servers.
I had started to run through a step by step guide of my understanding of what would be necessary but got tired 
/edit: Although I prefere the "They are getting drunk" and "need new hamster" replies to mine 
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Selena 001
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Posted - 2005.12.15 12:27:00 -
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Yea, its 24 hours because they started applying the patch at 8:15pm (uk time) or something didnt they... SO they get that done before bed time, then come back in the morning and poke about to make sure it works properly...
They also need the time to prepare for the "bug report" threads which will appear on the forums  e-hehehe
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Xerxes X
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Posted - 2005.12.15 12:27:00 -
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Testing probably takes up the majority of the time.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2005.12.15 12:28:00 -
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I'm guessing making a column/data modification to a table with many millions of records isn't going to zip along. Multiply that by however many modifications need to be made and then throw in the inevitable failure<->rollback<->startagain cycle and you are easily into 24 hours :).
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Martinus Crimson
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Posted - 2005.12.15 12:29:00 -
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its looking good tho .. there allready making dry runs atm ... so lets all cross our fingers and hope they will not run into probs :)
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2005.12.15 12:33:00 -
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Edited by: Al Thorr on 15/12/2005 12:34:37
Gotta agree with G .
Patch probably only takes half an hour to deploy.
But as this is the season of the Office Party and every employee has to go then shutting down the servers allows this to occur.
Bet theres lots of coffee shlurping in the head office going on atm.
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Former Slave
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Posted - 2005.12.15 12:46:00 -
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As a database developer, I think I'm able to deduce quite a bit about the database structure from the bits that we see. And I'd say that there are at least two reasons that this upgrade takes longer than most:
1. Upgrade of every single assembled ship -- especially the conversions to Mk2 versions
2. Termination of all the lab and factory jobs and migration of data into new structures to support the research and manufacturing rewrites.
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Siobhan Ni
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:16:00 -
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Most likely migration and validation of the database. The old database will need to be archived then they will need to convert it to account for new tables and updated columns. Then they gotta test it. Not an easy task.
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Ruby LeFonte
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Azuriel Talloth
The Hamsters need to undergo 24 hours of intense psycho-therapy so they know how fast to run for the new patch.
Glad I wasn't drinking anything whilst reading that.
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Nemien
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:18:00 -
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i think its because they are doing hardware upgrades etc. plus trying to fix bugs before it goes live.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:19:00 -
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Are they adding the new hardware to the cluster during this patch?
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:21:00 -
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I had assumed it was better quality control. CCP has had a problem (like every other mmorpg op on the planet) with deploying big patches. Always bug ridden, needs lots of fixes.. sometimes there are serious issues requiring rollbacks.
24hrs gives a bit more time to test things and make sure everything is alright. We'll still have problems (a given) but hopefully there will be nothing serious.
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Caryna
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:22:00 -
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normal system-upgrade procedure:
stop servers and db -
fullbackup of all systems -
patch/update -
test update -
fullbackup of all systems -
-- ready to go -- open system
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codemaster28
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:25:00 -
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surely they made a copy of all tables etc when coming up witht he new contect so really all they would have to do is backup the old database and copy over the new databse (with new content). Unless they are switching over some of the old 32-bit servers to the new 64-bit blades which would explain some of the 24 hours.
Posted at 1:22pm GMT we should be able to auto patch by now or there will be a rush for the download the file servers will get backed up with requests and we spend the next day playing on a laggy server.  nothing new
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Jinx Barker
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Azuriel Talloth
The Hamsters need to undergo 24 hours of intense psycho-therapy so they know how fast to run for the new patch.
I thought they switched to Gerbils?
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Halgari
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:30:00 -
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As a computer programmer and a IT admin, I will say it's probably a mixture of a couple things.
(1) They have to re-start the servers completely. For "Big Iron" computers this can take awhile.
(2) They probably have to backup the entir database, apply the patch and then make sure nothing is corrupted
(3) In following with the tradtion of Scotty in Star Trek they guessed that it would take three times longer then it probably really would.
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Angelic Resolution
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:34:00 -
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I'm hoping it's because they're getting rid of all the SECURE ******* CANS out there..
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nails
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Glassback
The process only takes an hour or so. The reason realy is because CCP spent the evening getting drunk.
G.
ROFL!!
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Captain Tightpants
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Halgari
(3) In following with the tradtion of Scotty in Star Trek they guessed that it would take three times longer then it probably really would.
They cannae change the laws of physics, you know.
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Braaage
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:41:00 -
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Makes me wonder if most of this time isn't taken by the compiled source code going from Iceland to London
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Stogee
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:41:00 -
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The patch was finished about 20 mins after 20.00 GMT last night.
The truth is that all of CCP are in their office at their computers reading the forums and making jokes at our expense about being withdrawn from the game!
Note: First post after returning to Eve after an absence of 3 months.
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Pagefault
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:42:00 -
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What would you estimate, how long would it take you to:
- Make backups of a few terrabytes of data
- Install software on a hundred machines, and make sure every single machine is 100% fine
- Translate several terrabytes of data entries to a new database structure
- Power up a complex system like that for the very first time
- Carefully test every aspect possible aspect of the system
- code a fix for the things, that you missed.
- redo the process from the backup tapes with your fixes.
i'd personally estimate, it would take me:
- 4 pounds of coffee
- 8 pounds of weight
- roughly 20 pizzas
- 30 boxes of cigarettes
- 30 liters of coke
- 3 new monitors after i threw them out of the window
- 270 hamsters
Perhaps CCP can put up a statistic on used pizza/coke/coffee.... for RMR deployment :)
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Stogee
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:44:00 -
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But how much in Blue screens of Deaths?
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Sentani
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Posted - 2005.12.15 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: Azuriel Talloth
The Hamsters need to undergo 24 hours of intense psycho-therapy so they know how fast to run for the new patch.
I thought they switched to Gerbils?
they where planing on using gopher.... but um... they rebeled
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