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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.12.21 02:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Nyphur
After exodus the servers were unstable for weeks. They got a lsit of all ships destroyed in this time period and gave them back without taking the insurance. They said it was a present to apologise for the server destroying their gameplay for so long or something like that. I didn't lose anything. Was really careful with my ships. Those that lost them were rewarded. I was a bit annoyed at the time.
Naturally, people were in uproar about it. However, a year (I think) on, the game is still here and the incident is all but forgotten. It didn't ruin the game and neither will this.
No one said it would ruin the game (if they did, they were over reacting), just said that it's wrong and should be fixed. 5 people macro-mining wont ruin the game either, but it's wrong and they should be stopped. This has a larger effect than that does.
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Vergo
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Posted - 2005.12.21 11:52:00 -
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I know of one corp that had at least 4-5 dreads in production as well as some freighters during patch time. CCP gave them all those builds for free and basically gave that certain corp 10+ billions for doing s***
This is just one corp i know of, and i'm sure there are many others. GG CCP
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Frank Strange
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Posted - 2005.12.21 12:37:00 -
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This makes my efforts worth a lot less than they were before the RMR update. I enjoy competing with other manufacturers and traders to make isk and hopefully move into more profitable markets.
Billions of isk worth of assets given by CCP for free to already very wealthy players is very unfair.
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Gibbah Dibb
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Posted - 2005.12.21 13:41:00 -
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From a GM:
"It's nothing more than a rumour. I can assure you that it is not true. Just one
of those rumours that appear out of nowhere and don't have any basis in fact."
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Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2005.12.21 13:51:00 -
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Taking a ook at the history of all previous major expansions to Eve, it can be seen that the immediate completion has happened on every occasion. I believe it was also there in the Dev Blogs, as was the price increase in Towers and change to Damage Mods.
Many canny traders bought up huge quantities of Towers before the batch, and hoarded Named Damage Control units previously destined recycling.
Similar changes have caught many out on previous patches, and those that missed out last time, I'm sure were careful to be more alert for the RMR patch changes.
The issuing of both the freighter and the construction parts to players was unfortunate, but it's effects won't be felt for long. And who knows, maybe those players didn't even read up on the tower price increase?
Investment Opporunity:
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.12.21 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 21/12/2005 13:55:53
Originally by: Nyphur
Naturally, people were in uproar about it. However, a year (I think) on, the game is still here and the incident is all but forgotten. It didn't ruin the game and neither will this.
Nobody said this or that would ruin the game, its simply a lame thing to do. It was lame back then and its lame now.
I know what im gonna when Kali hits though.
@Gibbah Dibb: Id like to hear a dev say it, ive seen GMs give our wrong answers on more then one occasion.
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Vergo
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Gibbah Dibb
From a GM:
"It's nothing more than a rumour. I can assure you that it is not true. Just one
of those rumours that appear out of nowhere and don't have any basis in fact."
Would be really dissapointed if gm's were calling us liars, since i have witnessed it myself.
Truly hope ur comment is nothing but a lame attempt to get this incident swept under the rug
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Amous
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: Amous on 21/12/2005 17:36:43
Yawn...
Right it's happened/not happened depending on who you believe.
Instead of the whining why not suggest how CCP should have handled this?
I can't see a better way for them to change the manufac and research jobs without screwing SOMEONE over.
Option 1. Complete all build research.
Effect: Players get manufactured goods MUCH quicker...whats the build time on a dread/frieghter etc?
ME/PE Research completed....whats the reasearch time for ME/PE on a Dread/Frieghter?
Option 2. Cancel all outstanding jobs
Effect: Manufac jobs lose mins. Have to start jobs from scratch. ME/PE research lost. Have to start from scratch.
Short term effect I would expect producers of items to jack up prices to compensate.
Ohhh and the producers would be fecked off...the biggest cost in eve is TIME.
So someone PLEASE tell me how they could have handled this better?
You CAN NOT please everyone...which is why I am guessing CCP has not said anything about this.
Ohhh and I didn't think you were supposed to "quote" a GM response...
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 21/12/2005 17:38:10
Originally by: Amous
Option 1. Complete all build research.
Effect: Players get manufactured good MUCH quicker...whats the build time on a dread/frieghter etc?
ME/PE Research completed....whats the reasearch time for ME/PE on a Dread/Frieghter?
Thats what they should have done and that was the plan according to the devs, instead they did that AND gave people the minerals used in the production back. Its rediculous.
The faster production times wouldnt have bothered anyone, it offers no major advantage. People getting faster production time and billions of ISK for free, is just lame.
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Cantari
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:38:00 -
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I had 400 shuttles going in the oven so i know what happened when RMR came out.
Basically it force finished the run it was making when rmr was release then ejected the REMAINING minerals and the bpo back into my hangar, along with a single shuttle.
Basically all current jobs were finished and the remaining minerals for subsequent runs (if any) were given back, the minerals taken in the job being finished were used as normal.
Now lots of people of course read the blog and put their dreads into production the day of the patch, or very close to the day of the patch, knowing they would get insta cooked, but they shouldnt have got the minerals from that job back, AND the dread in their hangar.
But then lots of people also mass bought skills/pos/capital construction parts/minerals and began to re-sell them at rediculous prices as soon as the servers came back up  but nm, what ever floats ya boat.
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Amous
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:39:00 -
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So you would be happy if all the producers in eve suddenly had all dreads/frieghters built in 1 day?
Thats was the original poster's issue in that an opposing corp had a couple of dreads complete and he would have to play catch up....
All I am saying is someone would be pished off.
If I had the mins and BPO's/BPC's I could have started 15 dreads off and had them built in 1 day...would you have been happy then...doubt it!
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Azuriel Talloth
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Azuriel Talloth on 21/12/2005 17:40:49
Originally by: Gibbah Dibb
From a GM:
"It's nothing more than a rumour. I can assure you that it is not true. Just one
of those rumours that appear out of nowhere and don't have any basis in fact."
GM is wrong. I know of a person who got a free Freighter. ie production completed, and all components returned too.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Amous
If I had the mins and BPO's/BPC's I could have started 15 dreads off and had them built in 1 day...would you have been happy then...doubt it!
I wouldnt have cared then because you would make the same profit youd normall do only slightly faster.
Under the current system you would have 15 dreads AND the minerals for another 15 dreads, which is pretty damn unfair.
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:46:00 -
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Dang, if this is so, i wish id have waited a day longer before i put my dread in the build slot.
I just never get lucky
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862 buses later, galks back on the road again:)
Seasons greetings, merry christmas to one and to all.
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Amous
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:52:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 21/12/2005 17:48:19
Originally by: Amous
If I had the mins and BPO's/BPC's I could have started 15 dreads off and had them built in 1 day...would you have been happy then...doubt it!
In that case i wouldnt care because you would make the same profit youd normally do only slightly faster this time, not to mention thats simply required for the new system to come in.
Under the current system you would have 15 dreads AND the minerals for another 15 dreads, which is bad. 
And if I used the 15 dreads to wipe you and your corp from the face of the universe instead of selling them....
Not a threat or anything but I could quite easily have done that and then you would be posting for a totally different reason.
Like I said you can't please everyone.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:55:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Amous
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 21/12/2005 17:48:19
Originally by: Amous
If I had the mins and BPO's/BPC's I could have started 15 dreads off and had them built in 1 day...would you have been happy then...doubt it!
In that case i wouldnt care because you would make the same profit youd normally do only slightly faster this time, not to mention thats simply required for the new system to come in.
Under the current system you would have 15 dreads AND the minerals for another 15 dreads, which is bad.
And if I used the 15 dreads to wipe you and your corp from the face of the universe instead of selling them....
Not a threat or anything but I could quite easily have done that and then you would be posting for a totally different reason.
Like I said you can't please everyone.
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Then i still wouldnt care however now you can use to 15 to attack me, and after i kill them all you can simply build another 15 for free. Which is bad.
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Amous
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:57:00 -
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I laugh at your outlook on life.
I understand where you are coming from. But point is that what ever way it was done SOMEONE would be unhappy with the way it was done.
Your not going to see my point of view but I wish you all the best in getting it changed if it happened.
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Stogee
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Posted - 2005.12.21 18:05:00 -
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If this is true, then the fact that people got their things insta-built doesn't bother me too much. It was unavoidable due to the change to the manufacturing system
But the fact that they got their minerals etc back does. That's a real big slap in the face to everyone else.
They should still have to invest the required resources into what they produced. Especially when your talking on the scale of dreads etc.
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xeom
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Posted - 2005.12.21 18:24:00 -
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CCP should really comment on this issue.
If anything they should remove the minerals the people got back.Im fine with the insta build.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.12.21 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Amous
I understand where you are coming from. But point is that what ever way it was done SOMEONE would be unhappy with the way it was done.
If course im not going to agree to your pov simply because its equal to GMs handing out faction ships to their friends. Their reason; "Its okay, if we dont do someone will be unhappy, if we do hand out ships someone will be unhappy too so well just give random people an unfair advantage in the game".
Theres a diffrence between someone being unhappy and someone being unhappy because of a stupid reason. If someone would be unhappy about the fact that someones dread got produced fast, at the same price resulting in no real advantage, then thats a stupid reason.
If someone is unhappy that the devs apparently support and encourage exploiting of game mechanics, id say thats a pretty good reason to be unhappy. If it was small scale like the insurance issue then meh, i could suck it up because 100 mill isk wouldnt make to much of a diffrence anyway.
People getting handed billions of isk for no valid reason is a good reason to be unhappy.
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Kylania
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Posted - 2005.12.21 19:34:00 -
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I made a Thorax the other week and it never took the trit. I'm super rich! 
As a ridicilously poor nooblet, this is kinda discouraging, that the already stupid rich got even more stupidly rich, but whatever. I'll never see a dread, so no big deal. :)
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Vergo
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Posted - 2005.12.22 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Amous
So you would be happy if all the producers in eve suddenly had all dreads/frieghters built in 1 day?
Thats was the original poster's issue in that an opposing corp had a couple of dreads complete and he would have to play catch up....
All I am saying is someone would be pished off.
If I had the mins and BPO's/BPC's I could have started 15 dreads off and had them built in 1 day...would you have been happy then...doubt it!
I dont think you even read this whole thread.. It has nothing to do with people getting their dreads/freighters built quick. It was the fact that they got FREE dreads/freighters. Thats right, Free. Just in case u missed that part again
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.12.22 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Amous
I can't see a better way for them to change the manufac and research jobs without screwing SOMEONE over.
<snip>
So someone PLEASE tell me how they could have handled this better?
Completed the builds for those that had the needed materials, and consumed the materials it takes to build it, not give them the item for free.
Someone told me personally they got them for free, I don't see why they'd lie about it, but I'll ask them again.
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.12.22 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Amous
So you would be happy if all the producers in eve suddenly had all dreads/frieghters built in 1 day?
Thats was the original poster's issue in that an opposing corp had a couple of dreads complete and he would have to play catch up....
No, actually complaint was that they were completed for free... 0 mineral cost. The time thing sucks, but not enough that I'd post about it.
I'm waiting for the guy who told me he got his completed for free to log back on so I can confirm it, as he just hinted at it without stating directly before. He just smiled and said he hopes they don't take the minerals back from the people that got their free freighters.
While I can grant it SOUNDS like a nasty rumor that isn't true, people have said they did get it, and others have hinted that they did. Given that, I'd think it bears someone at least looking into it.
If that GM response is real (in which case you aren't allowed to post it AFAIK) then my question is, did he really look into it deep enough that he'd be able to know and then come to an informed researched conclusion, or did he just assume it was a rumor and not look into it? My bet is the latter, my hope is the former.
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.12.23 20:44:00 -
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So, ummm... no one is going to look into this? Is there some way I'm supposed to 'properly' ask that it be looked into? Petition doesn't seem right, especially since I don't have the character name of the people, only IRC names and/or alt account chars (who will likely deny getting 5+B ISK for free).
Will someone please look into this and reply here that it's being looked into? Please?
If the answer is that you know it happened but aren't going to do anything about it, I'd at least like to know to stop trying.
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.12.25 10:26:00 -
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Weee.
You'll get used to it. At least I have.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.12.25 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Vergo
Would be really dissapointed if gm's were calling us liars, since i have witnessed it myself.
Truly hope ur comment is nothing but a lame attempt to get this incident swept under the rug
Wouldnt be the first time...
I seem to remember a market bug which CCP posted on the forums that, they would remove the duplicated items created...
Didnt happen then, I cant see them doing anything this time.
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Ramses OverDark
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Posted - 2005.12.25 11:11:00 -
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Really deserves a reply from CCP on this thread imo, until there is one, its all speculation.
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Miramax
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Posted - 2005.12.25 11:50:00 -
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thats ****** up yo
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Sirkill
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Posted - 2005.12.25 12:02:00 -
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Free dreads were just christmas pressents for the good boys and girls of eve, now shut up a quite whinning.
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