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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: Kaell Meynn on 20/12/2005 00:22:00
Okay, no free outposts, but free dreads and freighters for many. It seems that in the patch to RMR, a number of people got all the dreads and freighters they had in production at the time auto-completed for 0 build time, in addition to getting their minerals back! Yes, that's right, they got a free insta-built dreadnaught, many of them, and this wasn't just for one person. So my questions are...
If I had an outpost being built at RMR patch, would I have gotten it for free as well?
Did anyone get a free outpost this way? (EDIT: Okay, I dont actually expect you to tell us if you did.)
Is anything going to be done about all these free Dreads and Freighters people got?
Might seem to you like I have some personal interest in this issue, and of course you'd be right :) one of the people that got the many (yes, more than 2) free dreads is a direct enemy of mine, so that means i've been set back the equivalent of 4ish dreadnaughts in order to catch up to them. So yeah I have self-interest in mind here, sue me! ;P
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Gretchen Dawntreader
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:23:00 -
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If anyone feels weighed down by the ethical implications of free freighters in their hangar, I'd be happy to help with that 
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:24:00 -
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Free isk for the loose... CCP never fixed the market bug either 
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:25:00 -
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well i woke up in the polaris station - currently fighting my way out through jove space - loot here is amazing hehe - free relocation for the win.
Serioulsy dunno if its an exploit but its an error contact CCP with a petition
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:45:00 -
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i no that all bpos in research auto finished at least one me they were doing
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Wendat Huron
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Posted - 2005.12.20 00:47:00 -
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Let's see them sell the lot and GMs slap them with negative wallets as they did those other sploiters. 
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Josclyn Verreuil
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Dao 2
i no that all bpos in research auto finished at least one me they were doing
The issue isn't as much that they auto-finished, but that they auto-finished and all minerals inside were returned.
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Akarah Siminova
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Posted - 2005.12.20 01:56:00 -
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Is this true? That is how I read it at first but some people told me otherwise. IF it is true, then CCP this is an outrage! Finishing the production is obviously necessary and not terribly consequential. Giving select players 700mil to X billion in free minerals is. Can we get an official reply on this issue?
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Maximus Krysdam
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Posted - 2005.12.20 02:17:00 -
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CCP had to instantly finish production and research on all items and bluepints.
They implemented a new factory system and instead of whiping all the jobs out (and potentialy losing minerals,bpos and starting a big fiasco) they just completed them instantly. I dont know why the min's came back but it doesnt really matter.
Funny how ppl always find somthing to whine about..
Marry christmas to those that got free dreds :)
P.S. I doubt it would affect an outpost the same because they are not built in a factory.
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whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.12.20 02:39:00 -
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This is no small issue that doesn't affect others mate... these are Dreads, which are used in alliance wars against other alliances. 6 free Dreads can turn the tide of a war and cause the side that would have won to lose, thus, it is a valid complaint. I'm sure lots of BS and HACs were auto completed with the mins returned as well, but I am not going to even mention that, as it is a small issue. Giving one alliance 6 Dreads and not their enemy is not a small issue. If CCP logged in and gave BoB (for example) 100 free HACs for no reason at all, don't you think their current target would (rightfully) complain? 100 free HACs is about the same ballpark value as 5-6 dreads by current market value.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.20 02:44:00 -
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good points - a few extra dreads are a good thing and if it was across the board then less likley CCP will reverse it
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.12.20 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: sonofollo
good points - a few extra dreads are a good thing and if it was across the board then less likley CCP will reverse it
/me checks hangar for 6 Dreadnaughts.... nope, not across the board.
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Gonada
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Posted - 2005.12.20 03:24:00 -
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Funny how ppl always find somthing to whine about..
ya really, i mean why would anyone want to whine, knowing that the rich basterds are only getting richer thru ccp giveaway, and screw all you poor broke basterds in the process.
hope CCP does something bout that, if not thats pure bs
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Akarah Siminova
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Posted - 2005.12.20 03:35:00 -
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Think of it this way. With all the free minerals comes the ability to buy yourself and your corpmates game time cards. If this is true, CCP is in one sense giving real money to those who happened to have large ships under construction. Does that make it hit closer to home?
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pringprang
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Posted - 2005.12.20 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Maximus Krysdam
P.S. I doubt it would affect an outpost the same because they are not built in a factory.
Uhhhh yes they are.
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Lord Frost
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Posted - 2005.12.20 04:09:00 -
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This is an outrage! 
hehe... oh well. I think I was mad for about 2 secs.
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without
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Posted - 2005.12.20 04:35:00 -
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hope this isnt truw
if it is
not nice ccp, free dreds are bad 
very very very bad :/
im sure everyone with a dred/freighter bpo put it on for rmr since it was gona get autocomplete. thus lots of dreds/freighters would of entered game
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.12.20 04:43:00 -
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Pretty sure it's true, since one person that got 1 or 2 for free told me he did. He's not trying to hide it, and not trying to exploit it, but if everyone else gets to keep their free Dreads/Freighters, he's going to keep his too.
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TheNecromancer
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Posted - 2005.12.20 06:09:00 -
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must be my bad english..have ccp giving someone free dreadnoughts ????
I mean..here I go around working hard to get more isk..and ccp gives someone billions of free isk ?
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Kunming
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Posted - 2005.12.20 07:41:00 -
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This sux tbh..
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Chribba
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Posted - 2005.12.20 08:09:00 -
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Hooray 500 units of free Basic Expanded Cargohold 
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.12.20 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: TheNecromancer
must be my bad english..have ccp giving someone free dreadnoughts ????
I mean..here I go around working hard to get more isk..and ccp gives someone billions of free isk ?
It was in the notes somewhere, before the patch was deployed, that
"Any production jobs already in place will be completed, and the minerals will be returned to your hangar."
So .... right before the patch is deployed, start building some dreadnoughts. Patch deployed, dreadnoughts built instantly, and all minerals returned to your hangar. A free billion-and-a-half ISK, multiplied by however many dreads you set up to build.
I knew about it. I just don't have enough money to work this sort of exploit.
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2005.12.20 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kaell Meynn
This is no small issue that doesn't affect others mate... these are Dreads, which are used in alliance wars against other alliances. 6 free Dreads can turn the tide of a war and cause the side that would have won to lose, thus, it is a valid complaint. I'm sure lots of BS and HACs were auto completed with the mins returned as well, but I am not going to even mention that, as it is a small issue. Giving one alliance 6 Dreads and not their enemy is not a small issue. If CCP logged in and gave BoB (for example) 100 free HACs for no reason at all, don't you think their current target would (rightfully) complain? 100 free HACs is about the same ballpark value as 5-6 dreads by current market value.
Dreads are not as powerful as you think... let them bring them to war.
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MegaJ
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Posted - 2005.12.20 08:40:00 -
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Great they musta changed patch notes cus it's not in it now and wasn't when I read them or I woulda setup some factories building crap as well... Always freebees for the already rich ppl *sigh
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Vawzi
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Posted - 2005.12.20 09:12:00 -
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Edited by: Vawzi on 20/12/2005 09:12:26
It just feels wonderful that I spend a load of time and invest iskies to make a couple of mills / day and then all of sudden CCP gives a heep of people a billion iskies just for no apparant reason.
This sucks donkey poo!!! Can't stand this bullcrap much longer. Give more iskies to the rich people!
And the POS towers? That was DEFINITLY not in the patch notes and that also got a few people a few bills.
When do I get my share of all this special treatment?
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Jowen Datloran
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Posted - 2005.12.20 09:19:00 -
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I could accept the POS price change and the people who are going to gain on that.
But this is a bit over the top.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2005.12.20 09:59:00 -
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You're just sore you didn't get one.
Wait.
So am I.
I WANT MY FREE DREAD! (*whine whine*)
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Maggot
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Posted - 2005.12.20 10:12:00 -
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The sucks fat monkey balls.
However, WTB cheap Moros.
Maggot. |
Flourite
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Posted - 2005.12.20 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kaell Meynn
Edited by: Kaell Meynn on 20/12/2005 00:22:00
Okay, no free outposts, but free dreads and freighters for many. It seems that in the patch to RMR, a number of people got all the dreads and freighters they had in production at the time auto-completed for 0 build time, in addition to getting their minerals back! Yes, that's right, they got a free insta-built dreadnaught, many of them, and this wasn't just for one person. So my questions are...
If I had an outpost being built at RMR patch, would I have gotten it for free as well?
Did anyone get a free outpost this way? (EDIT: Okay, I dont actually expect you to tell us if you did.)
Is anything going to be done about all these free Dreads and Freighters people got?
Might seem to you like I have some personal interest in this issue, and of course you'd be right :) one of the people that got the many (yes, more than 2) free dreads is a direct enemy of mine, so that means i've been set back the equivalent of 4ish dreadnaughts in order to catch up to them. So yeah I have self-interest in mind here, sue me! ;P
CCP is this True or Not.
If its true you had better come up with something for us lot that never got anything but a ****load of Lag and have suffered all these downtimes and massive client memory leaks.
GIVE US AN AWNSER CCP.
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Jorev
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Posted - 2005.12.20 10:22:00 -
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It is true.
Noticed the flood of really cheap freighters on escrow in the last few days? Yup, these were the free ones.
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Flourite
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Posted - 2005.12.20 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jorev
It is true.
Noticed the flood of really cheap freighters on escrow in the last few days? Yup, these were the free ones.
Ok well to make it even id like.
2X Vagabond
2X ishtar
6X Gallente Intredictor
6X Caldari Intredictor
1X Intredictor Skill book
And dont forget t2 fittings for all ships.
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Koori
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Posted - 2005.12.20 10:26:00 -
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Patch notes says: "All current jobs in rented slots are have been ejected."
I dont really have anything against that. But if all the materials were returned and jobs forced complete - that's sucks donkey ass.
I would like to hear official statement from CCP.
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2005.12.20 10:29:00 -
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Hopefully CCP are on the case "behind the scenes" and a few people will enjoy christmas with a 10 billion ISK deficit wallet.
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CT BadIronTree
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Posted - 2005.12.20 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: CT BadIronTree on 20/12/2005 10:35:02
or the OMG many freiter BPC that take weeks to copy :)
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GirrL
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Posted - 2005.12.20 10:43:00 -
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Would sure want to hear an officiall statement about this from CCP. I thought CCP were all working to make this game fair, and they do something like this (if its true)?
To all of you that whine about people that thinks this is un-fair, you are probably carebears who never been in a war. We are not talking about a simple cruiser or something here, it is actuall Dreadnoughts thats on the table. There are probably many corps out there working their asses of to afford ships like this and then some just gets them for free, just like that. This is not right (if it's true).
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2005.12.20 10:44:00 -
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s u c k s
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Rimhawk
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Posted - 2005.12.20 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Jorev
It is true.
Noticed the flood of really cheap freighters on escrow in the last few days? Yup, these were the free ones.
Cheap freighters? Where? I might be able to fly an obelisk, but buying one is still so far outside my budget it's not even funny.
Rimhawk
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.12.20 10:55:00 -
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Wow, i wish i got a free dread too
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.12.20 10:59:00 -
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Im happy with say 10megas & all t2 fittings rather then my free dread mr dev.
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vagitable
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:04:00 -
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This is infact very ***... CCP Fix this or give us a few 100mil free too.
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Nev Clavain
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:51:00 -
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so great a nice big christmas bonus for those who already have enough to build a freighter and a dreadnought.
Thanks ccp. Widen that gap, and why dont you give out free titans while your at it?
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StupidDolphin
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:58:00 -
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Wow, why do i bother trying to earn isk when some people are being effectively given hundreds of billions of isk.
Maybe CCP will notice when eve's market crashes out of control and the TQ server becomes like the test server- where nothing really matters and everyone has dreds or titans and then the entire game lags up to the point where noone can play and we all whine for a refund on all the money we ever spent building up our characters.
<WTB Drednoughts for 1 million>
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Brazero
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Posted - 2005.12.20 12:13:00 -
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My BPO's dropped to hangar, but the research wasn't finished. |
Flourite
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Posted - 2005.12.20 12:20:00 -
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Plenty questions being asked here and still no reply from CCP.
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Zeezar
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Posted - 2005.12.20 12:50:00 -
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I got a SLIGHTLY reduced cost ship...but I only had a day or two left on the build so didn't really make much of a diff.
To be fair you could have taken MUCH more advantage of it and set up a job on a frieghter/dread etc for a 1 level ME which would have saved over 6+ weeks and in the long term would have been a LOT more cost effective than getting a free/cheaper ship built.
To flip it on it's head what would have happned if ALL jobs got ejected...
ME/PE research lost/mins lost etc.
You can make some of the ppl happy some of the time but you can't make all of the ppl happy all of the time.
Life is unfair! Why make a game that is supposed to mirror real life (in a sci fi kinda un real way) fair?
Live with it....if I had not benifited from this I wouldn't be fussed. You have not lost anything and it's not as if the vast majority have benifited either it is a TINY proportion of the eve community.
I'll wager MANY MANY more benifited to some degree with the hundreds of thousands of jobs/copies/research that was goin on NOT just frieghters and dreads.
The have nots always want and the haves always want more.....
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Wizie
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Posted - 2005.12.20 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Zeezar
I got a SLIGHTLY reduced cost ship...but I only had a day or two left on the build so didn't really make much of a diff.
To be fair you could have taken MUCH more advantage of it and set up a job on a frieghter/dread etc for a 1 level ME which would have saved over 6+ weeks and in the long term would have been a LOT more cost effective than getting a free/cheaper ship built.
To flip it on it's head what would have happned if ALL jobs got ejected...
ME/PE research lost/mins lost etc.
You can make some of the ppl happy some of the time but you can't make all of the ppl happy all of the time.
Life is unfair! Why make a game that is supposed to mirror real life (in a sci fi kinda un real way) fair?
Live with it....if I had not benifited from this I wouldn't be fussed. You have not lost anything and it's not as if the vast majority have benifited either it is a TINY proportion of the eve community.
I'll wager MANY MANY more benifited to some degree with the hundreds of thousands of jobs/copies/research that was goin on NOT just frieghters and dreads.
The have nots always want and the haves always want more.....
Wrong.
Influx of free money into game is not good. Next time some people exploit and it goes unpunished because you can't please everyone.
Fix this..
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Tas Devil
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Posted - 2005.12.20 13:10:00 -
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The funniest thing is some of the people whinning here that producers got a unfair advantage by getting free ships due to the industry/research makeover, happen to be the same that bought loads of Control Tower's before the patch to gain from reselling them after patch when npc prices magically quadrupled...
Don't forget to whine to yourself first for profitting from the patch before complaining about others...
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HyperBeanie
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Posted - 2005.12.20 13:13:00 -
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The thing CCP did was:
They forced the completion of the current batch run, not all runs, and they returned the rest of the mins!!!
So no free stuff, just faster production time!
/HyperBeanie
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Koori
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Posted - 2005.12.20 13:40:00 -
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Quote:
The thing CCP did was:
They forced the completion of the current batch run, not all runs, and they returned the rest of the mins!!!
So no free stuff, just faster production time!
That's why i would like to hear an official response from CCP. I think we deserve it. I don't belive they just gave everyone free stuff. It's not their style.
Kieron, where are you?
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Gradinger
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Posted - 2005.12.20 14:17:00 -
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heh.. woud be quite bad as i got no free stuff
but yelling for gm/dev wont help much, dont expect kieron or even oveur to answer on the forums (although they do quite often, what makes ppl think they GOTTA do it)
a gm/dev is normally contacted thru a petition
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babyblue
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Posted - 2005.12.20 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: HyperBeanie
The thing CCP did was:
They forced the completion of the current batch run, not all runs, and they returned the rest of the mins!!!
So no free stuff, just faster production time!
/HyperBeanie
Thats what I thought too. Another Chinese whisper. Unless a bug forced the return of all of the original minerals used to make the run that was force-completed. Fairly simple thing to audit I expect.
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Minnky
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Posted - 2005.12.20 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: MegaJ
Always freebees for the already rich ppl *sigh
Yup, like in the real world ... Money makes Money
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.12.21 01:31:00 -
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Edited by: Kaell Meynn on 21/12/2005 01:31:47
Originally by: babyblue
Originally by: HyperBeanie
The thing CCP did was:
They forced the completion of the current batch run, not all runs, and they returned the rest of the mins!!!
So no free stuff, just faster production time!
/HyperBeanie
Thats what I thought too. Another Chinese whisper. Unless a bug forced the return of all of the original minerals used to make the run that was force-completed. Fairly simple thing to audit I expect.
The person I spoke to, said they got the minerals back as well, they got the item for FREE, thats the entire point of the thread.
He is stupid to admit this, since it makes him more likely to have it taken away if/when they decide to rectify this bug, so I doubt he was lying. He had nothing to gain and lots to lose by saying this.
EDIT: Will someone that got stuff completed for free please be honest and post here telling us? At least with an alt.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.12.21 01:38:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 21/12/2005 01:38:41
Originally by: Zeezar
Life is unfair! Why make a game that is supposed to mirror real life (in a sci fi kinda un real way) fair?
If the IRS was to hand my neighbour 1 mill dollars for no real reason i would kick them both in the face. Whichever oif them tries to say 'life isnt fair' would get stabbed with a knife.
If the OP is right, CCP is supporting exploiters which is bad, its not 'unfair', its bad...
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Gunsnroses
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Posted - 2005.12.21 01:49:00 -
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CCP, you've commented on many many many many many post since RMR
But i have yet to see a comment about the lack of a cancel button, the Control tower screw up, and the Free billions of isk you've handed the already rich.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.12.21 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Gunsnroses
But i have yet to see a comment about the lack of a cancel button, the Control tower screw up
I saw a gold bar on one of the topics about the cancel button iirc. As for the control towers, it wasnt a scrw up, it was a nerf not mentioned in the patch notes to prevent people from buying control towers before right before patch day.
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Gunsnroses
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Posted - 2005.12.21 01:55:00 -
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Its a screw up in many peoples eyes, not jsut because people just got free isk, but because its effectivly knocked small corps out of the POS game.
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.12.21 02:00:00 -
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While I may agree with your points on PoSs, please try to stay on topic here, thanks.
TOPIC is: Free dreads and freighters for certain random people and those that planned on a CCP bug in implementation and exploited the bug... and what, if anything, CCP is going to do about it.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.12.21 02:02:00 -
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Well dunno about small corps being knocked out, small towers cost what, less then 100 mill under the new prices?
Thats less then 10 mill per player if youve got a 10 person corp, if they cant gather that they prolly dont have the ships required to defend their POS or run it for that matter.
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.12.21 02:11:00 -
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*stabs Joshua in the face*
ON TOPIC please.... make a different thread for PoS pricing, this one ain't it.
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.12.21 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
After exodus the servers were unstable for weeks. They got a lsit of all ships destroyed in this time period and gave them back without taking the insurance. They said it was a present to apologise for the server destroying their gameplay for so long or something like that. I didn't lose anything. Was really careful with my ships. Those that lost them were rewarded. I was a bit annoyed at the time.
Naturally, people were in uproar about it. However, a year (I think) on, the game is still here and the incident is all but forgotten. It didn't ruin the game and neither will this.
No one said it would ruin the game (if they did, they were over reacting), just said that it's wrong and should be fixed. 5 people macro-mining wont ruin the game either, but it's wrong and they should be stopped. This has a larger effect than that does.
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Vergo
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Posted - 2005.12.21 11:52:00 -
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I know of one corp that had at least 4-5 dreads in production as well as some freighters during patch time. CCP gave them all those builds for free and basically gave that certain corp 10+ billions for doing s***
This is just one corp i know of, and i'm sure there are many others. GG CCP
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Frank Strange
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Posted - 2005.12.21 12:37:00 -
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This makes my efforts worth a lot less than they were before the RMR update. I enjoy competing with other manufacturers and traders to make isk and hopefully move into more profitable markets.
Billions of isk worth of assets given by CCP for free to already very wealthy players is very unfair.
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Gibbah Dibb
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Posted - 2005.12.21 13:41:00 -
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From a GM:
"It's nothing more than a rumour. I can assure you that it is not true. Just one
of those rumours that appear out of nowhere and don't have any basis in fact."
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Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2005.12.21 13:51:00 -
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Taking a ook at the history of all previous major expansions to Eve, it can be seen that the immediate completion has happened on every occasion. I believe it was also there in the Dev Blogs, as was the price increase in Towers and change to Damage Mods.
Many canny traders bought up huge quantities of Towers before the batch, and hoarded Named Damage Control units previously destined recycling.
Similar changes have caught many out on previous patches, and those that missed out last time, I'm sure were careful to be more alert for the RMR patch changes.
The issuing of both the freighter and the construction parts to players was unfortunate, but it's effects won't be felt for long. And who knows, maybe those players didn't even read up on the tower price increase?
Investment Opporunity:
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.12.21 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 21/12/2005 13:55:53
Originally by: Nyphur
Naturally, people were in uproar about it. However, a year (I think) on, the game is still here and the incident is all but forgotten. It didn't ruin the game and neither will this.
Nobody said this or that would ruin the game, its simply a lame thing to do. It was lame back then and its lame now.
I know what im gonna when Kali hits though.
@Gibbah Dibb: Id like to hear a dev say it, ive seen GMs give our wrong answers on more then one occasion.
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Vergo
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:23:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Gibbah Dibb
From a GM:
"It's nothing more than a rumour. I can assure you that it is not true. Just one
of those rumours that appear out of nowhere and don't have any basis in fact."
Would be really dissapointed if gm's were calling us liars, since i have witnessed it myself.
Truly hope ur comment is nothing but a lame attempt to get this incident swept under the rug
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Amous
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:35:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Amous on 21/12/2005 17:36:43
Yawn...
Right it's happened/not happened depending on who you believe.
Instead of the whining why not suggest how CCP should have handled this?
I can't see a better way for them to change the manufac and research jobs without screwing SOMEONE over.
Option 1. Complete all build research.
Effect: Players get manufactured goods MUCH quicker...whats the build time on a dread/frieghter etc?
ME/PE Research completed....whats the reasearch time for ME/PE on a Dread/Frieghter?
Option 2. Cancel all outstanding jobs
Effect: Manufac jobs lose mins. Have to start jobs from scratch. ME/PE research lost. Have to start from scratch.
Short term effect I would expect producers of items to jack up prices to compensate.
Ohhh and the producers would be fecked off...the biggest cost in eve is TIME.
So someone PLEASE tell me how they could have handled this better?
You CAN NOT please everyone...which is why I am guessing CCP has not said anything about this.
Ohhh and I didn't think you were supposed to "quote" a GM response...
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:37:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 21/12/2005 17:38:10
Originally by: Amous
Option 1. Complete all build research.
Effect: Players get manufactured good MUCH quicker...whats the build time on a dread/frieghter etc?
ME/PE Research completed....whats the reasearch time for ME/PE on a Dread/Frieghter?
Thats what they should have done and that was the plan according to the devs, instead they did that AND gave people the minerals used in the production back. Its rediculous.
The faster production times wouldnt have bothered anyone, it offers no major advantage. People getting faster production time and billions of ISK for free, is just lame.
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Cantari
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:38:00 -
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I had 400 shuttles going in the oven so i know what happened when RMR came out.
Basically it force finished the run it was making when rmr was release then ejected the REMAINING minerals and the bpo back into my hangar, along with a single shuttle.
Basically all current jobs were finished and the remaining minerals for subsequent runs (if any) were given back, the minerals taken in the job being finished were used as normal.
Now lots of people of course read the blog and put their dreads into production the day of the patch, or very close to the day of the patch, knowing they would get insta cooked, but they shouldnt have got the minerals from that job back, AND the dread in their hangar.
But then lots of people also mass bought skills/pos/capital construction parts/minerals and began to re-sell them at rediculous prices as soon as the servers came back up but nm, what ever floats ya boat.
Cantari
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Amous
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:39:00 -
[71]
So you would be happy if all the producers in eve suddenly had all dreads/frieghters built in 1 day?
Thats was the original poster's issue in that an opposing corp had a couple of dreads complete and he would have to play catch up....
All I am saying is someone would be pished off.
If I had the mins and BPO's/BPC's I could have started 15 dreads off and had them built in 1 day...would you have been happy then...doubt it!
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Azuriel Talloth
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:40:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Azuriel Talloth on 21/12/2005 17:40:49
Originally by: Gibbah Dibb
From a GM:
"It's nothing more than a rumour. I can assure you that it is not true. Just one
of those rumours that appear out of nowhere and don't have any basis in fact."
GM is wrong. I know of a person who got a free Freighter. ie production completed, and all components returned too.
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:43:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Amous
If I had the mins and BPO's/BPC's I could have started 15 dreads off and had them built in 1 day...would you have been happy then...doubt it!
I wouldnt have cared then because you would make the same profit youd normall do only slightly faster.
Under the current system you would have 15 dreads AND the minerals for another 15 dreads, which is pretty damn unfair.
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:46:00 -
[74]
Dang, if this is so, i wish id have waited a day longer before i put my dread in the build slot.
I just never get lucky
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862 buses later, galks back on the road again:)
Seasons greetings, merry christmas to one and to all.
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Amous
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:52:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 21/12/2005 17:48:19
Originally by: Amous
If I had the mins and BPO's/BPC's I could have started 15 dreads off and had them built in 1 day...would you have been happy then...doubt it!
In that case i wouldnt care because you would make the same profit youd normally do only slightly faster this time, not to mention thats simply required for the new system to come in.
Under the current system you would have 15 dreads AND the minerals for another 15 dreads, which is bad.
And if I used the 15 dreads to wipe you and your corp from the face of the universe instead of selling them....
Not a threat or anything but I could quite easily have done that and then you would be posting for a totally different reason.
Like I said you can't please everyone.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:55:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Amous
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 21/12/2005 17:48:19
Originally by: Amous
If I had the mins and BPO's/BPC's I could have started 15 dreads off and had them built in 1 day...would you have been happy then...doubt it!
In that case i wouldnt care because you would make the same profit youd normally do only slightly faster this time, not to mention thats simply required for the new system to come in.
Under the current system you would have 15 dreads AND the minerals for another 15 dreads, which is bad.
And if I used the 15 dreads to wipe you and your corp from the face of the universe instead of selling them....
Not a threat or anything but I could quite easily have done that and then you would be posting for a totally different reason.
Like I said you can't please everyone.
A
Then i still wouldnt care however now you can use to 15 to attack me, and after i kill them all you can simply build another 15 for free. Which is bad.
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Amous
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Posted - 2005.12.21 17:57:00 -
[77]
I laugh at your outlook on life.
I understand where you are coming from. But point is that what ever way it was done SOMEONE would be unhappy with the way it was done.
Your not going to see my point of view but I wish you all the best in getting it changed if it happened.
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Stogee
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Posted - 2005.12.21 18:05:00 -
[78]
If this is true, then the fact that people got their things insta-built doesn't bother me too much. It was unavoidable due to the change to the manufacturing system
But the fact that they got their minerals etc back does. That's a real big slap in the face to everyone else.
They should still have to invest the required resources into what they produced. Especially when your talking on the scale of dreads etc.
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xeom
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Posted - 2005.12.21 18:24:00 -
[79]
CCP should really comment on this issue.
If anything they should remove the minerals the people got back.Im fine with the insta build.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.12.21 18:37:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Amous
I understand where you are coming from. But point is that what ever way it was done SOMEONE would be unhappy with the way it was done.
If course im not going to agree to your pov simply because its equal to GMs handing out faction ships to their friends. Their reason; "Its okay, if we dont do someone will be unhappy, if we do hand out ships someone will be unhappy too so well just give random people an unfair advantage in the game".
Theres a diffrence between someone being unhappy and someone being unhappy because of a stupid reason. If someone would be unhappy about the fact that someones dread got produced fast, at the same price resulting in no real advantage, then thats a stupid reason.
If someone is unhappy that the devs apparently support and encourage exploiting of game mechanics, id say thats a pretty good reason to be unhappy. If it was small scale like the insurance issue then meh, i could suck it up because 100 mill isk wouldnt make to much of a diffrence anyway.
People getting handed billions of isk for no valid reason is a good reason to be unhappy.
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Kylania
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Posted - 2005.12.21 19:34:00 -
[81]
I made a Thorax the other week and it never took the trit. I'm super rich!
As a ridicilously poor nooblet, this is kinda discouraging, that the already stupid rich got even more stupidly rich, but whatever. I'll never see a dread, so no big deal. :)
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Vergo
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Posted - 2005.12.22 01:36:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Amous
So you would be happy if all the producers in eve suddenly had all dreads/frieghters built in 1 day?
Thats was the original poster's issue in that an opposing corp had a couple of dreads complete and he would have to play catch up....
All I am saying is someone would be pished off.
If I had the mins and BPO's/BPC's I could have started 15 dreads off and had them built in 1 day...would you have been happy then...doubt it!
I dont think you even read this whole thread.. It has nothing to do with people getting their dreads/freighters built quick. It was the fact that they got FREE dreads/freighters. Thats right, Free. Just in case u missed that part again
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.12.22 04:42:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Amous
I can't see a better way for them to change the manufac and research jobs without screwing SOMEONE over.
<snip>
So someone PLEASE tell me how they could have handled this better?
Completed the builds for those that had the needed materials, and consumed the materials it takes to build it, not give them the item for free.
Someone told me personally they got them for free, I don't see why they'd lie about it, but I'll ask them again.
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.12.22 05:14:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Amous
So you would be happy if all the producers in eve suddenly had all dreads/frieghters built in 1 day?
Thats was the original poster's issue in that an opposing corp had a couple of dreads complete and he would have to play catch up....
No, actually complaint was that they were completed for free... 0 mineral cost. The time thing sucks, but not enough that I'd post about it.
I'm waiting for the guy who told me he got his completed for free to log back on so I can confirm it, as he just hinted at it without stating directly before. He just smiled and said he hopes they don't take the minerals back from the people that got their free freighters.
While I can grant it SOUNDS like a nasty rumor that isn't true, people have said they did get it, and others have hinted that they did. Given that, I'd think it bears someone at least looking into it.
If that GM response is real (in which case you aren't allowed to post it AFAIK) then my question is, did he really look into it deep enough that he'd be able to know and then come to an informed researched conclusion, or did he just assume it was a rumor and not look into it? My bet is the latter, my hope is the former.
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.12.23 20:44:00 -
[85]
So, ummm... no one is going to look into this? Is there some way I'm supposed to 'properly' ask that it be looked into? Petition doesn't seem right, especially since I don't have the character name of the people, only IRC names and/or alt account chars (who will likely deny getting 5+B ISK for free).
Will someone please look into this and reply here that it's being looked into? Please?
If the answer is that you know it happened but aren't going to do anything about it, I'd at least like to know to stop trying.
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.12.25 10:26:00 -
[86]
Weee.
You'll get used to it. At least I have.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.12.25 11:08:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Vergo
Would be really dissapointed if gm's were calling us liars, since i have witnessed it myself.
Truly hope ur comment is nothing but a lame attempt to get this incident swept under the rug
Wouldnt be the first time...
I seem to remember a market bug which CCP posted on the forums that, they would remove the duplicated items created...
Didnt happen then, I cant see them doing anything this time.
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Ramses OverDark
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Posted - 2005.12.25 11:11:00 -
[88]
Really deserves a reply from CCP on this thread imo, until there is one, its all speculation.
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Miramax
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Posted - 2005.12.25 11:50:00 -
[89]
thats ****** up yo
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Sirkill
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Posted - 2005.12.25 12:02:00 -
[90]
Free dreads were just christmas pressents for the good boys and girls of eve, now shut up a quite whinning.
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brainiac 13
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Posted - 2005.12.25 13:22:00 -
[91]
They forced current batchs yes, so if your dread was in for 10 days and you had 3 days left when the patch rolled out you got the 3 days back, then they screwed up the whole production system with stealth nerfs ect such as not been able to build dreads in high sec or carriers.
Yes most of the big Production cap ship corps benifitted from it and also got screwed as a consequence having to move there production operations to 0.4 space to continue dread production ect and not been able to build carriers as fast as they wanted.
Now for anyone that wants to have a go about it, try move a Capital ship corporations production hanger and then tell me its unfair, I know one corp that has had to have freighters running none stop for nearly a week moving its base because of the stealth nerf on dread and carrier production to 0.4. And that is Freighters not one but many running none stop for a week moving stuff.
Now yes they benifitted from some components or minerals back on production but they also lost a hell of alot of gameplay moving base's ect to facilitate the fact CCP decided that you can only build dreads and carriers in 0.4 or below.
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Rivek
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Posted - 2005.12.25 19:07:00 -
[92]
CCP, can I please have a free dread or two to compensate? I also accept payment in the form of billions of isk, tech 2 bpos, or game time cards. Alternately, an official response to this issue would at least help.
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.12.26 07:01:00 -
[93]
Originally by: brainiac 13
They forced current batchs yes, so if your dread was in for 10 days and you had 3 days left when the patch rolled out you got the 3 days back, then they screwed up the whole production system with stealth nerfs ect such as not been able to build dreads in high sec or carriers.
Yes most of the big Production cap ship corps benifitted from it and also got screwed as a consequence having to move there production operations to 0.4 space to continue dread production ect and not been able to build carriers as fast as they wanted.
Now for anyone that wants to have a go about it, try move a Capital ship corporations production hanger and then tell me its unfair, I know one corp that has had to have freighters running none stop for nearly a week moving its base because of the stealth nerf on dread and carrier production to 0.4. And that is Freighters not one but many running none stop for a week moving stuff.
Now yes they benifitted from some components or minerals back on production but they also lost a hell of alot of gameplay moving base's ect to facilitate the fact CCP decided that you can only build dreads and carriers in 0.4 or below.
And what of the people who had to endure the same pains, but recieved no free dreadnaughts or freighters?
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brainiac 13
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Posted - 2005.12.26 12:55:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Kaell Meynn
Originally by: brainiac 13
They forced current batchs yes, so if your dread was in for 10 days and you had 3 days left when the patch rolled out you got the 3 days back, then they screwed up the whole production system with stealth nerfs ect such as not been able to build dreads in high sec or carriers.
Yes most of the big Production cap ship corps benifitted from it and also got screwed as a consequence having to move there production operations to 0.4 space to continue dread production ect and not been able to build carriers as fast as they wanted.
Now for anyone that wants to have a go about it, try move a Capital ship corporations production hanger and then tell me its unfair, I know one corp that has had to have freighters running none stop for nearly a week moving its base because of the stealth nerf on dread and carrier production to 0.4. And that is Freighters not one but many running none stop for a week moving stuff.
Now yes they benifitted from some components or minerals back on production but they also lost a hell of alot of gameplay moving base's ect to facilitate the fact CCP decided that you can only build dreads and carriers in 0.4 or below.
And what of the people who had to endure the same pains, but recieved no free dreadnaughts or freighters?
I think you missed the point, there were no free ships, all ship builds consume components over time which means that if there was a hour left on a build you would have recieved nothing or nearly nothing and if there was 4 days you would recieve a percentage, simple fact is the only way its could have went different is if CCP had ejected all jobs from factories and reserch labs, and then this would have caused a massive amount of omg not fair posts from the opposite side!! In fact it would have been worse if all jobs were rejected.
Simple fact in this thread is omg you got something for free I want!! if it had been the other way around were the jobs had been rejected and minerals lost would you have been sympathic to the production corps? I can guess the answer!
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Kaell Meynn
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Posted - 2005.12.27 11:07:00 -
[95]
Edited by: Kaell Meynn on 27/12/2005 11:12:54
Edited by: Kaell Meynn on 27/12/2005 11:08:59
Originally by: brainiac 13
I think you missed the point, there were no free ships, all ship builds consume components over time which means that if there was a hour left on a build you would have recieved nothing or nearly nothing and if there was 4 days you would recieve a percentage, simple fact is the only way its could have went different is if CCP had ejected all jobs from factories and reserch labs, and then this would have caused a massive amount of omg not fair posts from the opposite side!! In fact it would have been worse if all jobs were rejected.
Simple fact in this thread is omg you got something for free I want!! if it had been the other way around were the jobs had been rejected and minerals lost would you have been sympathic to the production corps? I can guess the answer!
Did you guess "Absolutely yes!" because that's my answer, only if what you said happened (they lost minerals AND didnt get the product) you'd hear a lot more complaints, people complain when they lose stuff, but are strangely silent when they get stuff for free, go figure. If you go back and read my clarifications, I have no problem that the jobs were forced to complete. What I have a problem with is that the final product was produced in ADDITION to the minerals (which were supposed to be used up) were also ejected (hence the 'free' part) rather than consumed as they were supposed to be. Perhaps they were only extremely cheap, but 1% of a Dreadnaught is close enough to free for this discussion.
If this didn't happen as stated then:
A) A lot of people are complete liars about things they have no reason to lie about, but risk losing a great deal if they are believed.
B) I (and most of the other posters in this thread, as they stated) have no problem with the situation.
EDIT: And again, all I'm asking is that someone actually look into this enough to know if it happened as I said, or not, and tell us the findings. Is that really so much to ask for such a large issue?
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Vergo
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Posted - 2005.12.27 19:19:00 -
[96]
Originally by: brainiac 13
Originally by: Kaell Meynn
Originally by: brainiac 13
They forced current batchs yes, so if your dread was in for 10 days and you had 3 days left when the patch rolled out you got the 3 days back, then they screwed up the whole production system with stealth nerfs ect such as not been able to build dreads in high sec or carriers.
Yes most of the big Production cap ship corps benifitted from it and also got screwed as a consequence having to move there production operations to 0.4 space to continue dread production ect and not been able to build carriers as fast as they wanted.
Now for anyone that wants to have a go about it, try move a Capital ship corporations production hanger and then tell me its unfair, I know one corp that has had to have freighters running none stop for nearly a week moving its base because of the stealth nerf on dread and carrier production to 0.4. And that is Freighters not one but many running none stop for a week moving stuff.
Now yes they benifitted from some components or minerals back on production but they also lost a hell of alot of gameplay moving base's ect to facilitate the fact CCP decided that you can only build dreads and carriers in 0.4 or below.
And what of the people who had to endure the same pains, but recieved no free dreadnaughts or freighters?
I think you missed the point, there were no free ships, all ship builds consume components over time which means that if there was a hour left on a build you would have recieved nothing or nearly nothing and if there was 4 days you would recieve a percentage, simple fact is the only way its could have went different is if CCP had ejected all jobs from factories and reserch labs, and then this would have caused a massive amount of omg not fair posts from the opposite side!! In fact it would have been worse if all jobs were rejected.
Simple fact in this thread is omg you got something for free I want!! if it had been the other way around were the jobs had been rejected and minerals lost would you have been sympathic to the production corps? I can guess the answer!
Actually you have it wrong. People got their (for example) dread+minerals back.
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