Why don't you just make the scatter loot, when looted, just drop to cargo cans when there isn't enough cargo space? That way if there isn't enough space, the players can always come back after offloading?

Hello fair wormholers.

We've got a PSA for you all and I would appreciate it if you spread the word among your fellow frontierspeople.

With the new scatter mechanics introduced in Odyssey, if someone loots a scatter container and does not have enough space in their cargo hold to fit the result, their attempt to loot will be unsuccessful.

We have been noticing a lot of these unsuccessful loot attempts in wormhole space, and believe that it is mainly occurring with ancient relics contained in wormhole data and relic sites. The sleeper hull relics are especially tricky as their 100m3 size means you need a significant amount of free cargo room to pick them up.

We believe that this explains the reports from some wormholers that they are seeing fewer hull sections dropping. Hull sections are actually appearing in the scatter containers twice as often as they appeared in the containers pre-Odyssey, but many people attempting to loot them are doing so with less than 100m3 of free cargo bay.

We are investigating ways to make this interaction between the scatter containers and your free cargo space more intuitive and easier to manage, but in the meantime we strongly advise those people looting wormhole relic and data sites (especially the talocan ships) to ensure that they have plenty of free cargo space.

TL:DR When you're looting scatter containers in wormhole space, have plenty of free cargo space available or you'll miss out on the high volume stuff.

Why not just remove the loot scatter mechanic altogether? It's not fun nor compelling. The containers have already been parsed out and ranked. It seriously feels like a penalty to a "successful" hack, which is ostensibly where the game play is in hacking. When hacking is successful, open a loot window. Problem solved.

+1 FOR scattering mechanic. It makes a nice extra challenge and considering how much isk a person can make from the loot, I feel that it is quite appropriate for there to be another level of difficulty involved.

Well, considering the penalty for 2 failed hacks in a row on most hacks is that the container explodes and you get nothing, why should there be an additional penalty phase when you actually succeed at hacking?

Confirming you have never tried hacking a can in w-space. For a member of SSC, you really should look into w-space a little more often before posting about it on the forums. W-Space cans do not explode when you fail hacking, regardless of how many times you fail.

-B aalzamon

Confirming you have never tried hacking a can in w-space. For a member of SSC, you really should look into w-space a little more often before posting about it on the forums. W-Space cans do not explode when you fail hacking, regardless of how many times you fail.

-B aalzamon

Why is the cargo holds of T2 covert op ships smaller than their T1 counterpart?

Why not just remove the loot scatter mechanic altogether? It's not fun nor compelling. The containers have already been parsed out and ranked. It seriously feels like a penalty to a "successful" hack, which is ostensibly where the game play is in hacking. When hacking is successful, open a loot window. Problem solved.

Hello fair wormholers.

We've got a PSA for you all and I would appreciate it if you spread the word among your fellow frontierspeople.

With the new scatter mechanics introduced in Odyssey, if someone loots a scatter container and does not have enough space in their cargo hold to fit the result, their attempt to loot will be unsuccessful.

We have been noticing a lot of these unsuccessful loot attempts in wormhole space, and believe that it is mainly occurring with ancient relics contained in wormhole data and relic sites. The sleeper hull relics are especially tricky as their 100m3 size means you need a significant amount of free cargo room to pick them up.

We believe that this explains the reports from some wormholers that they are seeing fewer hull sections dropping. Hull sections are actually appearing in the scatter containers twice as often as they appeared in the containers pre-Odyssey, but many people attempting to loot them are doing so with less than 100m3 of free cargo bay.

We are investigating ways to make this interaction between the scatter containers and your free cargo space more intuitive and easier to manage, but in the meantime we strongly advise those people looting wormhole relic and data sites (especially the talocan ships) to ensure that they have plenty of free cargo space.

TL:DR When you're looting scatter containers in wormhole space, have plenty of free cargo space available or you'll miss out on the high volume stuff.

I do not do data or relic sites any more since Odyssey, the new mechanics are both tedious and annoying and the rewards are not there.

Thanks for the post, Fozzie.

Do you have any plans to iterate on the game design itself? As you can see from this thread and many more on here, there is a lot of dislike for the current mechanics.

I hope that CCP still has staff playing in wormholes and can see / hear the dislike of the current system on coms. It really makes for tedious gameplay.

+1

Thank you fozzie for looking into this.

Thank you Chitsa very much for getting this brought to the attention of CCP so quickly.

Thank you Fozzie for looking at this as well.

I would like to share my similar view as my corpmates that even with 200+ m3 of space in ships I haven't picked any up myself. But will continue testing in the meantime. Should hull sections show up in a cargo scan of the containers?