CCP needs to support individuals who want to go big

I'm thinking of a nukebomb at the price of 1 billion

100.000 HP damager on a 40k radius

CCP needs to support individuals who want to go big

40Km radius.

"mini" nuke.

CCP needs to support individuals who want to go big

I'm thinking of a nukebomb at the price of 1 billion

100.000 HP damager on a 40k radius

The Tsar bomba had a yield of 50 to 58 megatons of TNT. It was originally constructed to have 100 megatons of TNT. That would have had an estimated destruction radius of 35km.

We already have bombs and they inflict enough damage to small targets and have a radius of 15km. The scale of EVE ships is large already, and creating "mega-bombs" or bombs already bigger than the ones we have now would be an imbalance.

CCP is not here to empower your crusade against nullsec, King Harry Forever of Highsec, first of his name, lord protector of the 4 realms, leader of the anti-nullsec crusade.

A heavy missile has a yield of 41 kT.

So what's asked for here is a "bigger bomb".

But I think there are a lot of people who can harken back to the days of the old Doomsday Device, and the "Drive-by DD".

So anything that comes even close to it, a "BIG AOE weapon", is going to make people nervous.


Presently the stealth bomber, apparently over frigate size or in that range, has a bomb with a 14K range, and the damage runs in the single digit thousands with a lot of mod around skills, target size, and all that.


While a super bomb has some cool to it in concept, I do hope to see a "heavy bomber" ship in the future. It's loads of fun delivering love with a stealth bomber but surely something bigger would be more fun.

The trend already exists. There's covops, then black ops, and recon, to the warping cloakies didn't stop at frigate-sized ships, still only one category is capable of "setting them up the bomb".

If the trend for bombers moved along the same lines, maybe we would see a BS-Sized heavy bomber ship someday. Would it have large bombs or multiple launchers?

What role would it have? Such a ship would certainly be good for clearing out bubble camps and mining ops that were too bunched up. I can also see such a ship setting up "fleet firewalls" with staggered fire to keep out drones and smaller ships.

Ah well, whether or not we see that, is not in my power.

sure we need it, and the game needs it as well... at the moment the focus is too much on alliances and groups... there are many soloplayers who are able to build up big amount of ISK on their own, but the superweapon to use it is missing

if I'm able to build an amount of ISK comparable to a corp, then I want to have a weapon to fight that corp

the only balance needs to be the price for the weapon, that can be discussed

If the trend for bombers moved along the same lines, maybe we would see a BS-Sized heavy bomber ship someday. Would it have large bombs or multiple launchers?

sure we need it, and the game needs it as well... at the moment the focus is too much on alliances and groups... there are many soloplayers who are able to build up big amount of ISK on their own, but the superweapon to use it is missing

if I'm able to build an amount of ISK comparable to a corp, then I want to have a weapon to fight that corp

the only balance needs to be the price for the weapon, that can be discussed

if I'm able to build an amount of ISK comparable to a corp, then I want to have a weapon to fight that corp

I want an individual nuker too .


Costs 100 B but you can nuke one individual into biomass with it and i got just the guy in mind i want to try it on ... can you guess who harry ?





Come on , just one try ...

The Tsar bomba had a yield of 50 to 58 megatons of TNT. It was originally constructed to have 100 megatons of TNT. That would have had an estimated destruction radius of 35km.

We already have bombs and they inflict enough damage to small targets and have a radius of 15km. The scale of EVE ships is large already, and creating "mega-bombs" or bombs already bigger than the ones we have now would be an imbalance.

CCP is not here to empower your crusade against nullsec, King Harry Forever of Highsec, first of his name, lord protector of the 4 realms, leader of the anti-nullsec crusade.

I was suggesting the "Azerothonian Death Beam" a while back in F&I, a weapon that would delete your eve account and start a new WoW account for you immediately after.
But you guys didn't like the idea :(

I was suggesting the "Azerothonian Death Beam" a while back in F&I, a weapon that would delete your eve account and start a new WoW account for you immediately after.
But you guys didn't like the idea :(

I was suggesting the "Azerothonian Death Beam" a while back in F&I, a weapon that would delete your eve account and start a new WoW account for you immediately after.
But you guys didn't like the idea :(

ccp i have failed miserably at relevance with a group, as nobody will follow me because i am a lunatic spouting retread ideas that have failed over and over again

i have failed miserably solo because im really bad at this game

please give me a cheat code tia that i have not at all thought through and have not at all thought about what the goonies would do with it

by the way, the game is already out of balance, what makes it out of balances are those big alliances especially the CFC, you can not fight them anymore with groups and conventional mesures

they suck up all of the playerbase and assimilate them into those mindless creatures, compareable to the Borg in Star Trek they are against individualism and therefore need to be fought by individuals

thats why we need terror weapons with devastating impact

Another quality thread.

Of course nobody except the lone solo guy could use and afford this
and not the individuals of large alliances who have trillions of isk...

Forum warriors............

Malcanis' first law.

It's always the older, richer and more experienced players who profit most from any changes that were implemented to help newbies.

Even if these weapons were included into the game, exactly like you envision them- the CFC could use them as well, and would do so to a devastating effect.

you did read it but you don't get it, they could not use the weapon against an individual like me, its pointless and irrelevant if they have it, its your big fleet thinking where you guys continuosly get stuck... like I said, they sucked out your personality already, you are the swarm... but with that bomb I will bring freedome to you again... trust me

you don't get it, they would not use the weapon against an individual like me, its pointless and irrelevant if they have it, its your big fleet thinking where you guys continuosly get stuck... like I said, they sucked out your personality already, you are the swarm... but with that bomb I will bring freedome to you again... trust me

you did read it but you don't get it, they could not use the weapon against an individual like me, I'm the enemy here, its pointless and irrelevant if they have it, its your big fleet thinking where you guys continuosly get stuck... like I said, they sucked out your personality already, you are the swarm... but with that bomb I will bring freedome to you again... trust me

We have mini-nukes. In a number of differnt forms. What you're asking for is a Maxi-nuke!

Relevant.

Nukes in space ? Seriously, you realise they are pretty useless in a space environment and only work planet side.

you did read it but you don't get it, they could not use the weapon against an individual like me, I'm the enemy here, its pointless and irrelevant if they have it, its your big fleet thinking where you guys continuosly get stuck... like I said, they sucked out your personality already, you are the swarm... but with that bomb I will bring freedome to you again... trust me

So - you're saying "To heck with what might happen to everyone else, so long as I get my hilariously dangerous toy* to play with?"
Is that right? Gee... What a team player!


* Kinda reminds me an old Sov-Block (Cold War, not Nul-Space) hand grenade designed to defeat armor - The lethal blast radius was greater than the distance you could throw it. Fun, hey?

**** mini nukes. Give harry gold ammo already!

Seriously, you just got plenty of systems in Fountain...couldn't you give a single system to Harry, for all his efforts?

Nukes in space ? Seriously, you realise they are pretty useless in a space environment and only work planet side.

if you try a bit harder you sure will understand it, I explained it a few times now.... there is some deeper meaning behind it, however it feels like you just scratch the surface

sure we need it, and the game needs it as well... at the moment the focus is too much on alliances and groups... there are many soloplayers who are able to build up big amount of ISK on their own, but the superweapon to use it is missing

if I'm able to build an amount of ISK comparable to a corp, then I want to have a weapon to fight that corp

the only balance needs to be the price for the weapon, that can be discussed

does anyone at all consider harry forever a powerful personality

come now don't be shy

I believe this is why we have mercs. If you have money, they will come.

all scammers, I want to bomb them too

all scammers, I want to bomb them too

they suck up all of the playerbase and assimilate them into those mindless creatures, compareable to the Borg in Star Trek they are against individualism and therefore need to be fought by individuals

thats why we need terror weapons with devastating impact

they could not use the weapon against an individual like me

Wasn't there a small squad capable nuclear bomb developed during the cold war? I cant seem to find the video I watched on it... but it had a launch range of something like just under a half mile...but an explosion range higher than its launch range... so pretty much any squad who used it would kill themselves..

Ooh harry-pea. Is there a story with a boo boo to tell about it?

Anyway if such a bomb existed I am sure goonswarm could afford to detonate one every day on jita undock until said bomb is removes from the game

So... You against the universe, eh? Good luck on your quest, don Quixote.

I hear the Jove have space windmills...

That was the M-388, which was launched from the M28 and M29 launchers, commonly known as the Davy Crockett or nuclear bazooka.

What I think would be fun is self-destructing the ship with AoE damage or some other kind of suicide maneuver, but that would make suicide ganking even easier (unless prohibited in high sec)

ccp i have failed miserably at relevance with a group, as nobody will follow me because i am a lunatic spouting retread ideas that have failed over and over again

i have failed miserably solo because im really bad at this game

please give me a cheat code tia that i have not at all thought through and have not at all thought about what the goonies would do with it

You got that , you have devs .


Now stop it evil , we where talking about harry here.You know as well as me that harry don't like people drawing attention to them in his thread.

I'd advice creating your own thread titled : '' The inner goon , a place of shame and fear'' and i shall hump it like it was a harry thread.





.... well maybe slightly less but come on , nothing beats a harry the clown thread .

Harry the clown is the best clown EVER!

Fun fact. Harry made a don quixote propaganda picture:
http://i.imgur.com/Kvbml8Y.png

I guess he has know idea don quixote is about.

sure we need it, and the game needs it as well... at the moment the focus is too much on alliances and groups... there are many soloplayers who are able to build up big amount of ISK on their own, but the superweapon to use it is missing

if I'm able to build an amount of ISK comparable to a corp, then I want to have a weapon to fight that corp

the only balance needs to be the price for the weapon, that can be discussed

yes, goonswarm would never ever waste isk to hilariously wreck your day we're just not that kind of people

the big alliances and stuff are good for the people who want it, but it mostly attracts only a herd of sheeps

powerful personalities is what the game needs much more, they don't want to be in alliances with those others

trust me they hate those groups, thats why they want to fight them, more tools are needed for this

we need wargear for those individuals, it would attract much more interesting players to the game


I dont mind if development and production of such a bomb takes 3-6 month, and if only one at a time can be produced,

but there needs to be a superweapon for dedicated soloplayers


the content they will bring to the game will be far bigger then most of the average alliances nobody cares about

by the way, the game is already out of balance

You are most certainly correct. It will require a nerf to highsec to return it to balance.

You are most certainly correct. It will require a nerf to highsec to return it to balance.

you have become your own problem

Nothing like the daily dose of Harry.

high sec is not the problem, people are there because its where the action is, sure its monstly PvE but something is happening there missions incursions you can play the game, null sec however is 90% boring, just people hugging stations, CFC friendship not fighting eachother because they are all scared to loose Sov to the goons... yea there was a big war, and some small fights every 20 jumps, but thats it... most people do not want to get into those big alliances, its unattractive, and I can understand them...

because of those big alliances the gameplay out there is thin, you have become your own problem

Let's shuffle the words

null sec is not the problem, people are there because its where the action is, sure its monstly PvE but something is happening there roams hot drops you can play the game, high sec however is 90% boring, just people massing ISK, Carebear not fighting anything because they are all scared to loose factions ships to the pirates... yea there was a (???. jita riot?), and some wardecs fights every 20 jumps, but thats it... most people do not want to get into those big L4 missions, its unattractive, and I can understand them...

because of CONCOrd the gameplay out there is thin, you have become your own problem

thats why we need terror weapons with devastating impact

Why? We have already you and your posts that fill spot.

We need a forum nuke to wipe the scum from the forums. Anyone with 10K+ likes.

I support harry posts that make people mad.

CCP needs to support individuals who want to go big

I'm thinking of a nukebomb at the price of 1 billion

100.000 HP damager on a 40k radius

The real question here really is, if Harry and Ace would meet each other in the forums, fall in love and procreate, what would happen?

discuss please

I support this suggestion. CCP, this needs to happen! No alliance should be safe from these individuals with nukes.

The ultimate result of that unholy union would be Idiocracy

A mini nuke (in todays tech) is the EVE equivalent of a bomb that has a 6km AOE.

What you're asking for is a OP weapon that'll break more mechanics then George Bush rigging his 2nd term...

The real question here really is, if Harry and Ace would meet each other in the forums, fall in love and procreate, what would happen?

discuss please

I would prefer they just brought the mines back low sec and null only ofc. Dont want to upset to many people

Spread them all over the belts and sit in station and wait for the kills to pop up

1. AoE doomsday weapons were removed;
2. While not a physicist, I'm fairly certain the calibre of weaponry in this universe, combined with the speeds at which impacts occur, produce far more energy - whether kinetic, explosive or otherwise - than a conventional nuclear weapon does; and
3. You're an idiot.

An ultra-heavy nuclear missile. While it is a slow projectile, its sheer damage potential is simply staggering.

This modified version of the Nova Torpedo packs a considerably stronger punch, but as a result is heavier and slower. This makes it very effective against larger targets, but markedly less effective against smaller and more agile targets.

Necesitating a minesweeper function - maybe modules that fit Destroyers or Frigates. Then you'll have folks ganking the minesweepers, and folks trying to defend the minesweepers from gankers... There'll be so much combat in the belts that no mining will take place, and James & The New Order will win!

I like it.


(Oh, and whilst you're reading your killmails, you can also watch your security status descend like a runaway elevator. Not that such is a bad thing, mind you. )

1. AoE doomsday weapons were removed;
2. While not a physicist, I'm fairly certain the calibre of weaponry in this universe, combined with the speeds at which impacts occur, produce far more energy - whether kinetic, explosive or otherwise - than a conventional nuclear weapon does; and
3. You're an idiot.

oh, so you got stuck at the name "mini nukes"... nice pettifogging, sure you are sarching eagerly for spelling mistakes as well, people like you get hold up too much with the details, where people like me are moving forward and are getting things done

guess what I will be doing now? bloooo...? see ya!

No because your ideas are stupid.

where people like me are moving forward and are getting things done

Could somebody enlighten me ?
What is he getting done ?

Is there really anything ?

I mean ... besides his wishfull thinking and adventures in imagination land ...

Well, there are some industrial kills...

Wow, I could not even force myself to type that with a straight face. I burst out laughing halfway through the sentence.

Cyno ships, as well.

oh, so you got stuck at the name "mini nukes"... nice pettifogging, sure you are sarching eagerly for spelling mistakes as well, people like you get hold up too much with the details, where people like me are moving forward and are getting things done

guess what I will be doing now? bloooo...? see ya!

No, see he claims he's moving up in the world, and doesn't gank cyno frigs anymore. He's "graduated" to indy ships.

Hey, he's on TEST's level now. TEST has start ganking industrials as well, because apparently killing ratters is too dangerous without a whole gang, which is too risky.

CCP needs to support individuals who want to go big

I'm thinking of a nukebomb at the price of 1 billion

100.000 HP damager on a 40k radius

So basically, you want a way for a single individual to welp a subcap fleet in a single unstoppable shot. How about instead, you learn to play EVE, and play on a level playing field like everyone else. Some people are suggesting to move this post, but it doesn't even belong in features and ideas. Like most of your posts it need to just go in the trash.

And I know, you're going to respond abut how I'm wrong and how I just don't understand and how I'm super blocked from your delicate ears. As always, your tears will be delicious.

Yeah... but that's not really an example of how high he's risen, more than an example of how far they've fallen.

high sec is not the problem, people are there because its where the action is, sure its monstly PvE but something is happening there missions incursions you can play the game, null sec however is 90% boring, just people hugging stations, CFC friendship not fighting eachother because they are all scared to loose Sov to the goons... yea there was a big war, and some small fights every 20 jumps, but thats it... most people do not want to get into those big alliances, its unattractive, and I can understand them...

because of those big alliances the gameplay out there is thin, you have become your own problem

highsec is most certainly the problem because highsec is the problem we need to nerf the problem so highsec must be nerfed

pettifogging

highsec is most certainly the problem because highsec is the problem we need to nerf the problem so highsec must be nerfed

Look, if *you're* going to use an utterly misleading label, why *shouldn't* people call you on it?

Really now... Do try to be reasonable in your unreason.

So you've realized your doomsday event was doomed to fail from the start... and now you want to radically change the game, because you couldn't kill anything bigger than a cyno frig?

Shame on you, Harry.

Harry.... what a clown.

I actually think he is the only one that does not see it.

yea whatever

b.

No, they don't. In fact, it turned out to be such a bad idea that they removed it because of how much fun-removing power it gave to one person.

one thing to make clear, because some are complaining I'm requesting superweapons because my invasion did not happen, it sounds like if that would be my fault, however its the fault of the people, I'm already doing what I can

it's the faul of each individual, that the invasion is not happening, because they are just not ready to move their ass and fight... like I said, everybody would need to go there on his own, I'm not your daddy holding hands bringing you out there

therefore if people are not ready to fight the goons because they are all scared to death, this one man show of mine needs more weapons to do it alone, its that simple

The general consensus is that giving the ability for one man to ruin the game of, say, 100 man is OP.

Why is it OP you will say? because a group of 1000 goons can be considered as 1000 times one man and could ruin the day of 100 000 players.

See see, Tippia NEVER agrees with anyone...

The general consensus is that giving the ability for one man to ruin the game of, say, 100 man is OP.

Why is it OP you will say? because a group of 1000 goons can be considered as 1000 times one man and could ruin the day of 100 000 players.

How many goons does it take to upset highsec?

one thing to make clear, because some are complaining I'm requesting superweapons because my invasion did not happen, it sounds like if that would be my fault, however its the fault of the people, I'm already doing what I can

it's the fault of each individual, that the invasion is not happening, because they are just not ready to move their ass and fight... like I said, everybody would need to go there on his own, I'm not your daddy holding hands bringing you out there

therefore if people are not ready to fight the goons because they are all scared to death, this one man show of mine needs more weapons to do it alone, its that simple

Oh yeah, it's a failure because I am oh so frightened of blowing up pixels...

It's failed because you started to act like a jerk since the first one instead of setting a second one and ignoring haters

I'm wondering just how big Harry's block list is these days? At the rate he's going he'll have 50% of posters blocked within 3 months.

I think he misses the point though. The reason these are public forums and not private messages is we can all see and contribute. The fact that he can't see any of our posts affects us to the sum of zero, while making him look even more ignorant.

I keep seeing this Harry Forever guy keep talking about how he wants this weapon to fight big groups.

I don't think he understands that anything he can get one of, the big groups can get that many more of them.

I was suggesting the "Azerothonian Death Beam" a while back in F&I, a weapon that would delete your eve account and start a new WoW account for you immediately after.
But you guys didn't like the idea :(

I think he misses the point though. The reason these are public forums and not private messages is we can all see and contribute. The fact that he can't see any of our posts affects us to the sum of zero, while making him look even more ignorant.

Still wow this idea is so short-sighted and bad I'd love to see it implemented. After all, 100 CFC pilots, 100 billion-bombs and one hisec system? Hilarity waiting to happen.

Nukes in space ? Seriously, you realise they are pretty useless in a space environment and only work planet side.

you are the only failure dude, you are lacking the commitment for this journey, zero kills, if everybody in the team would have killed as many ships as me this would already be much bigger, but you prefer to talk, and talk, and talk

I explained you how to do it, start with cynos to get into it, then move on with haulers like i did, you did not even shoot a cyno poor boy

blocking you now, because you like it so much

if this weapon existed, the goons would simply bring thousands of them into battle and smash everybody with them, and they have the isk to back it, while you would 1 shot a fleet then be broke. Then you'd be back on here crying at how its overpowered.

Actually, they're arguing in their own interests. If we had BillionBombs, very soon the game would be a wasteland, and their fun would stop.

Call it enlightened self-interest; the best kind of self-interest.

You know what, totally support this idea.

The [Faction] "Darwin" Billionbomb:
"Stick it to the man!"

Volume: 3000m^3
Explosion Radius: 500km
Signature Radius: 1m (It needs to hit even pods for full damage, of course!)
Damage: 1,000,000 HP EM (Blood Raider)/Kinetic (Guristas)/Thermal (Serpentis) or Explosive (Domination)
Restrictions: Cannot be fired, just detonated while in hold. Will vaporize the owner's ship and hurl his ass, still on fire, away from the mayhem so he can watch. Can be used in all of space.

"The pirate factions of New Eden long warned the Empire that if they start rewarding Capsuleers for hunting down their own, bad things will happen. Tags4Sec program was the straw that broke the camel's back, and all four turned to the likeminded pod pilots for help - providing them, as immortals, with blueprints of bombs that would remind High Security Space just what exactly fear is."

Blueprint:
~1b worth of minerals to build, perfect skills will reduce to 999,999.99 million ISK (+ tax, of course. Gotta pay The Man!)
Available FREE at your local NPC pirate station!
30 days build time.

(At this point honestly I still don't know if harry is trolling or is he really trying to do something.)

Hey, ummmm, random forum person who is in no way affiliated with the CFC, how do you know so much about the CFC and what is in their interests? Just out of curiosity. What makes you so sure they wouldn't like to just destroy everything and blow everyone up, but in the best interest of the game and other players, are advocating against changes that would allow them to do just that?

Are you new here, or something?

You know what, totally support this idea.

The [Faction] "Darwin" Billionbomb:
"Stick it to the man!"

Volume: 3000m^3
Explosion Radius: 500km
Signature Radius: 1m (It needs to hit even pods for full damage, of course!)
Damage: 1,000,000 HP EM (Blood Raider)/Kinetic (Guristas)/Thermal (Serpentis) or Explosive (Domination)
Restrictions: Cannot be fired, just detonated while in hold. Will vaporize the owner's ship and hurl his ass, still on fire, away from the mayhem so he can watch. Can be used in all of space.

"The pirate factions of New Eden long warned the Empire that if they start rewarding Capsuleers for hunting down their own, bad things will happen. Tags4Sec program was the straw that broke the camel's back, and all four turned to the likeminded pod pilots for help - providing them, as immortals, with blueprints of bombs that would remind High Security Space just what exactly fear is."

Blueprint:
~1b worth of minerals to build, perfect skills will reduce to 999,999.99 million ISK (+ tax, of course. Gotta pay The Man!)
Available FREE at your local NPC pirate station!
30 days build time.

(At this point honestly I still don't know if harry is trolling or is he really trying to do something.)

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Yes, I think you are correct. It IS in the best interest of the CFC to argue against any sort of "doomsday" device. The only thing that is confusing me is how that is in some way an "enlightened" point of view.

1. It's enlightened in that Goons want to ruin your game, 2. not the game. 3. Eve is one of the few games that allows Goons to be Goons, 4. if such a weapon was made available it would ruin the game for everybody, including them.

1. They will try to make whatever your favorite activity is impossible and laugh at you while you try (and likely die, following which laugh at your fitting/pod in public).
2. Yup, take hisec ice miners in Caldari space now vs. interdiction pilots. The latter are having a blast, the former not so much - given how used they are to safety of hisec, their game is getting ruined at the moment.
3. Edit: Misread - they'd run out of people to murder, simple.
4. The same way titan AoE DDs ruined the game for those who weren't the guys in titans. Or tracking titans for that matter.

1. Why do you think the Goons only want to ruin MY game? Why do you think the Goons don't want to ruin THE game? If ruining others' game was their objective, then wouldn't ruining the entire game be the most efficient means to that end?

2. How is ruining even a single person's game not the same thing as ruining THE game? Consider a player, Jim, who has just downloaded two games, EVE Online and some other MMO. He chooses to try EVE first, and gets ganked immediately because "rofl lol haha scrub!". So, he decides to think about that experience and in the meantime, loads up the other MMO to try that one out. Now, having so much fun in the other MMO, he forgets about EVE and never comes back, and so will never contribute anything to our game play again. Has that not diminished THE game of EVE?

3. What makes people not like "Goons"? What consequences do "Goons" face in other games for being bad? What consequences do they face in EVE? What consequences SHOULD they face, if any?

4. In what sense did the AoE "doomsday" weapon ruin THE game? Given that the Goons could field a virtually unlimited number of these weapons, how was their game play be ruined, specifically? How did it ruin the game play of those people who were NOT Goons, specifically?

I see what you're saying and I think you may be on to something.

You are proposing that rather than just win the game outright by dominating everything to the point that CCP literally has to "nerf Goons", the CFC would like to preserve the current game balance as it is both incredibly favorable to them and being the "status quo", it requires a critical mass of ideas/people/events to get changed. I think what you are saying is that some drastic addition to the game like a "mini-nuke" or some sort of doomsday device would force their hand. They would either have to use such a device and thus make their dominance far more apparent, or they'd have to risk the possibility of their enemies using it against them first in order to preserve the CFC's image as "the good guys". This would be especially dangerous since a "doomsday" device might actually be able to turn the tide of an engagement, and if used strategically, could even turn the tide of an entire war.

Yes, I think you are correct. It IS in the best interest of the CFC to argue against any sort of "doomsday" device. The only thing that is confusing me is how that is in some way an "enlightened" point of view.

1. What is the functional difference between ruining MY game and ruining THE game?
2. What is the functional difference between ruining an ice miner's game and ruining THE game?
3. We're immortal, in game. Also, couldn't they just start murdering eachother? Also, wouldn't murdering more people faster equate to more fun?
4. What is the functional difference between ruining a non-titan-pilot's game (with titan AoE DDs and tracking titans) and ruining THE game?

CCP needs to support individuals who want to go big

I'm thinking of a nukebomb at the price of 1 billion

100.000 HP damager on a 40k radius

You're a clown. lol

I'm happy that the mini nukes spread so much fear in new eden

I'm not scared somebody will use this weapon against me, guess why

this bomb is there to break up those big groups that have become cancer to this game

PS: I updated the radius of the bomb to 100k

I'm happy that the mini nukes spread so much fear in new eden

I'm not scared somebody will use this weapon against me, guess why

this bomb is there to break up those big groups that have become cancer to this game

PS: I updated the radius of the bomb to 100k

CFC are not nihilists. The BillionBomb is only really useful to nihilists; therefore it is in CFC's interests to oppose such a tool, despite the hilarity of its potential.

IOW, it's TOO big a hammer.

3. No - murdering fellow goons or allies is considered bad.

I'm surprised people are even discussing this glaringly ridiculous idea in earnest.

This "glaringly ridiculous" idea actually made it into the game as the original doomsday weapon. I take it you weren't a fan.

Also, anyone who gets obsessed with fear of the intentions of a random collective of gamers and goes out of his way to demonize them needs to seriously have his head examined. You must feel so powerless.

the Goons have already shown that they are actually willing to deconstruct useful things outside of the game in order to secure victory playing internet spaceships.

They [...] have even manipulated the physical hardware that the game is played on.

Harry's request for a "mini-nuke" is actually quite benign and reasonable.

something crazy like acquiring your IP and DoSing you at an important point in time is what he would call "cheating"

attempting to influence the developers to institute changes that went against good game design for the sake of giving your group an advantage.

It's ironic that you bring that up. See, while Harry's suggestion is for an all-destroying super-weapon in game, the Goons have already shown that they are actually willing to deconstruct useful things outside of the game in order to secure victory playing internet spaceships. They have systematically attacked people's sense of self-esteem and identity, their sense of fair play, their notions of friendship and trust, their understanding of the game, and have even manipulated the physical hardware that the game is played on. I consider those to be exactly the actions of a nihilist.

Taken in that context, Harry's request for a "mini-nuke" is actually quite benign and reasonable. Harry probably has some ideas about how games are supposed to work such that something crazy like acquiring your IP and DoSing you at an important point in time is what he would call "cheating", or disbanding your alliance, or harrassing you with alts, or moving all your stuff around with alts so it was effectively untouchable, or . . . attempting to influence the developers to institute changes that went against good game design for the sake of giving your group an advantage. THESE are nihilistic "mini-nukes". Harry's just asking to do more damage, because his Catalyst is no match for the EHP of Mittanigrad.



I assume you mean "space bad". A lot of people have spent a lot of time and effort trying to convince everyone that there is no such thing as good and evil in EVE Online, because it is "only a game". Are you disagreeing with them?

Oh, hey, look! The ideas of "good and evil" are two more things the Goons have systematically tried to destroy for the sake of WINNING!


This "glaringly ridiculous" idea actually made it into the game as the original doomsday weapon. I take it you weren't a fan.

No. It wasn't the same thing exactly, but it got removed for obvious reasons.

Also, anyone who gets obsessed with fear of the intentions of a random collective of gamers and goes out of his way to demonize them needs to seriously have his head examined. You must feel so powerless.

Do you have any proof of this "physical manipulation" of hardware or are you just spewing en24 crap?

1.Bad in a way of "you will be shot for it"

2.the truth is, if you try to be a honourable space-empire and refuse to utilize those 'underhanded' tactics better brace yourself for everyone else using them against you.

We are also working on IRL DOS attacks where we ring at your door the moment we jump on your ratting supercapital.




Evil always win.

Thank you for your post :)

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I am now terrified of ordering in Pizza, in case it comes with an angry bee fleet attached.

It's ironic that you bring that up. See, while Harry's suggestion is for an all-destroying super-weapon in game, the Goons have already shown that they are actually willing to deconstruct useful things outside of the game in order to secure victory playing internet spaceships. They have systematically attacked people's sense of self-esteem and identity, their sense of fair play, their notions of friendship and trust,

Taken in that context, Harry's request for a "mini-nuke" is actually quite benign and reasonable.

or . . . attempting to influence the developers to institute changes that went against good game design for the sake of giving your group an advantage

You seem to have gone rapidly off topic. Almost none of what you are saying has anything to do with the question at hand.

Lets clarify, The reason as doomsday device was different is that it took an 80 billion isk titan to launch it, and did aoe blast damage to pop a subcap fleet. This idea being presented is a 1b isk bomb that can be fired by a single individual. There's a considerable difference. And what most people here are pointing out is that it wouldn't help the lone individuals very much. Harry could get 1, and maybe blap a fleet. Hurrah. The null sec blobs however could afford thousands of them. They would simply become THE WAY to fight any battle. I mean, Burn Jita would be more fun, sure and dropping one on a Jita gate when there's heavy traffic control would be pretty hilarious, but it would in no way empower the small individuals more than the null sec blobs.

Your opinions of the Goons change none of this and are completely irrelevant to the topic.

tl;dr - The CFC are liars and fear an empowered and committed individual

It may, in fact, have nothing to do with whether or not a certain suggestion is actually good for the game. It may have everything to do with the aforementioned deceptive, coercive, and malicious behavior that they are inclined to exhibit if it results in some benefit to themselves.

I am now terrified of ordering in Pizza, in case it comes with an angry bee fleet attached.