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Jaime Gomes
Pwn 'N Play
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:18:00 -
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Or left click and drag the folder were drones are deployed and drop on the wl dude we want them assigned.
If you could manage that would be very very cool. Because due to lag, fps, tidi an entire fleet assigning can be a pain in the ass. Making that easy would be bacon.
Can't stop. Won't stop the bacon. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
1054
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:19:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:
Just a question... would dragging a drone to a guy in the WL to assign it to them be of any value? (not saying I'll do it, just wondering.
Personally, I don't know if I could put a price on how awesome it would be to be able to drag-drop a drone or group to assist someone in watchlist.
Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
4201
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:32:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:Jaime Gomes wrote: am wondering if you guys could add another UI change reguarding drones.
During fleets we normally have the whatchlist visible at all times. When we deploy drones, in order to assist, we have the alphabetical options avaiable tru a list. If you remember right click on deployed drones "assist" option.
Could it be possible to implement the following: When selecting "assist" before the alphabetical list put the names of the dudes on the wl that so the assign can be quicker?
This simple change would be cool. Makes sense to me  Can't promise anything though. Just a question... would dragging a drone to a guy in the WL to assign it to them be of any value? (not saying I'll do it, just wondering.
Dragging a drone, drone folder and the 'Drones in space' to someone on the watch list to assist them would be welcome.
What about options to change the font, color, size, position and even deciding what we want and do not want on the drop down menus? I do love the radial menu, but improvements to the drop down menus would also be welcome. Also a launch drones hot key.
Another UI improvement would be the ability to drag and drop boosters to unused module hot key locations on the UI. Forced to have the cargo hold open and fish around to find the boosters is annoying. Who knows what else you could use the slots for. Maybe dragging and dropping your drones on it and presto, the drone hot key to launch we have been wanting for ten years. 
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Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1102
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:37:00 -
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Chris Winter wrote:All those drone UI changes are nice, but what about a keybinding to launch drones? That's what's really needed.
While I will continue to forever nag for this...
I love the new tweaks to the drone UI, especially drag'n'drop launching!
Edit: Did the attack keybind ever get fixed to also work for mining drones on asteroids and salvage drones on wrecks?
Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
661
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:45:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:Makes sense to me Can't promise anything though. Just a question... would dragging a drone to a guy in the WL to assign it to them be of any value? (not saying I'll do it, just wondering.
Um, YES? |
Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:03:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:Jaime Gomes wrote: am wondering if you guys could add another UI change reguarding drones.
During fleets we normally have the whatchlist visible at all times. When we deploy drones, in order to assist, we have the alphabetical options avaiable tru a list. If you remember right click on deployed drones "assist" option.
Could it be possible to implement the following: When selecting "assist" before the alphabetical list put the names of the dudes on the wl that so the assign can be quicker?
This simple change would be cool. Makes sense to me Can't promise anything though. Just a question... would dragging a drone to a guy in the WL to assign it to them be of any value? (not saying I'll do it, just wondering.
would love very much!  |
Ari Runa
The Nyan Cat Pirates
The Retirement Club
0
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:15:00 -
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As a drone pilot these changes make me happy, but I'd still like to see keybinds for drone groups.
Suggestion: Drag drone groups to module slots to bind their launch to the module hotkey. In the event that you undock with a ship that overlaps previous Drone group binds, the modules take priority and you have to rebind the groups. The module icon will show the most common drone in that drone group, with some special coloring to differentiate between combat and logistics drones. |
Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:17:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:Hi all,
Drone changes:[list] Drones and dronegroups can be dragged from "Drones in Bay" folder onto "Drones in Local Space" folder to be launched
Drones and dronegroups can be dragged from "Drones in Local Space" folder onto "Drones in Bay" folder to be pulled in
Drones can be dragged into groups (as long as they can be grouped with the ones that are there already)... if the drone and the group you dragged it on are not in the same place, the drone will be launched/picked up and moved to the group
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Moving or launching drones through this method is too slow currently. It takes awhile for drones to launch or be recall.
Also do not if it was intended but it seems for drones or dronegroups to be launch or recall, you have to drag them directly right on top of the folder or else nothing happens. This is the case even though you dragged them inside the corresponding folder.. |
Steve Bellator
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:22:00 -
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Great changes, really looking forward to this.
Don't know if it's been said already or not, but it would also be wonderful if you could add Jump Bridges and Titan/BLOPS bridging to the overview buttons and radial menu.
It would be especially nice if JBs could react appropriately to the D shortcut. |
Jelani Akinyemi Affonso
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:23:00 -
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Steve Bellator wrote:Great changes, really looking forward to this.
Don't know if it's been said already or not, but it would also be wonderful if you could add Jump Bridges and Titan/BLOPS bridging to the overview buttons and radial menu.
+1
This will make life so much easier for newbies and FCs... |
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Antoine Jordan
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:32:00 -
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Drone change is a decent stopgap measure but anything short of being able to drag drone groups onto module slots on the UI, and press the hotkeys for those slots to launch/recall those groups, is a subpar solution. |
Balzac Legazou
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:27:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:
Drone changes: [...]
While it's nice that you're improving the drone UI, what the drone UI needs isn't improving. It's re-doing. And, before that, re-thinking.
And I fear that adding polish to the current (fundamentally flawed / limited) drone UI will make CCP less likely to consider a full overhaul in the near future ("What, and waste all the time we spent polishing the old system?").
For example, the drone UI should allow players to:
- Quickly and easily launch, recall and activate specific drone groups directly (using both keyboard shortcuts and on-screen icons).
- Have a simple, unified "default action" shortcut (ex., pressing "F" should make mining drones mine).
- Also allow players to assign shortcuts to specific drone actions (ex., create a shortcut to "repair target" that will not make your combat drones "attack target", or a shortcut to "salvage target" that won't make your combat drones destroy it, and so on).
- Allow individual drones to belong to more than one group (ex., I might want a group with all my light drones, one with all my heavy drones, and one with all my thermal-damage drones, which includes drones from both of the first groups).
- See drone HP while drones are docked.
- Allow grouping of drones of different types (I know this is a problem with the current UI / command structure, but it wouldn't be if the other changes mentioned here were implemented).
- Target-lock own drones instantly (they're in constant communication with my ship - that's the whole justification for "bandwidth" - I shouldn't have to wait 20 seconds to lock one before I can start repairing it).
- Tell logistics drones to repair my own ship (yes, there are gameplay implications, but objectively only for logistics ships, and they can be dealt with; the idea that my own repair drones can't repair my ship is just nonsensical). Ex., telling logistics drones to "repair" with no target selected would make them repair the owner's ship (so there's no need to allow self-locking, which I guess would require too much debugging).
- Etc...
I don't think the features listed above are particularly hard to implement (from a UI design point of view), but they might be incompatible with the way Eve does things internally (and they're certainly incompatible with the current UI design).
To implement these things, "drone groups" shouldn't be treated as containers, but rather "indices" (essentially presented as a "virtual drone", whose orders are then relayed to every member of the group), and there should be direct access to specific drone actions through icons in the drone UI (draggable to the module shortcuts), instead of making players go through sub-menus.
For example, next to each drone (and to each group), there would be small icons for:
- Launch / Return to bay (ctrl+click to "orbit owner" instead of returning to bay, alt+click to "scoop drone", ctrl+alt+click to "abandon").
- Engage (perform default action for that drone type). The icon would be different depending on the drone type (combat, logistics, salvage, etc.) and would be draggable to a target. Simply clicking it would perform it on the current target. On a mixed-type group, the icon would send a "perform default action" command to each drone in that group.
- Behaviour (click multiple times to cycle between "passive (orbit parent)", "defend parent", "follow parent's attacks", "attack any enemy in range"). This would also apply to drones assigned to someone else; they would remain assigned until the owner recalls them or reassigns them.
Each of these icons would be draggable to the current module icons (right side of the HUD), and that would link it to the keyboard shortcut currently assigned to that slot (ex., if I drag the "engage" icon from group "MyDroneGroup" onto the first module icon, then pressing F1 would cause an "engage" command to be sent to the virtual "MyDroneGroup" drone, which would then relay that command to all drones in its index).
It sounds more complicated than it is (hard to explain just using text). The whole thing would take up the same amount of screen space as the current drone UI; the damage indicators would be smaller (circular, clock-style) and half the space would be used for the new direct-action / draggable icons.
I know this is unlikely to happen any time soon, I just urge you to not think of current UI "polish" as a long-term solution. The drone UI needs more fundamental changes to stop feeling like something out of the 1990s.
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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
2462
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:37:00 -
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Balzac Legazou wrote:CCP karkur wrote:
Drone changes: [...]
While it's nice that you're improving the drone UI, what the drone UI needs isn't improving. It's re-doing. And, before that, re-thinking. And I fear that adding polish to the current (fundamentally flawed / limited) drone UI will make CCP less likely to consider a full overhaul in the near future ("What, and waste all the time we spent polishing the old system?"). [...a lot of stuff....] I know this is unlikely to happen any time soon, I just urge you to not think of current UI "polish" as a long-term solution. The drone UI needs more fundamental changes to stop feeling like something out of the 1990s.
I think we all agree that the drone UI needs to be redone.
I don't think those small tweaks will change anything about that, but they will hopefully make the drone UI just a little bit more usable until then.
CCP karkur | User Interface Programmer | Team Pony Express | @CCP karkur |
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Beagle von Space
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
14
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:41:00 -
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Is there any chance that drone groups could someday be assigned to module hotkeys?
By that I mean:
- Drone group would show up in the active modules display next to the HUD
- The hotkey to activate would launch that group
- Activating them again would cause them to attack the currently selected targeted
- The hotkey that would overheat a conventional module would cause the drones to return and orbit
- "Overheating" the drones again would cause them to return to the bay.
Or is the current system, on some level, working as intended? I always figured that, because drones can engage targets semi-autonomously, that the reason there is no hotkey to launch them was that it makes it harder for bots to use them. |
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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
2462
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:48:00 -
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Beagle von Space wrote:Is there any chance that drone groups could someday be assigned to module hotkeys? By that I mean:
- Drone group would show up in the active modules display next to the HUD
- The hotkey to activate would launch that group
- Activating them again would cause them to attack the currently selected targeted
- The hotkey that would overheat a conventional module would cause the drones to return and orbit
- "Overheating" the drones again would cause them to return to the bay.
Or is the current system, on some level, working as intended? I always figured that, because drones can engage targets semi-autonomously, that the reason there is no hotkey to launch them was that it makes it harder for bots to use them. The drone UI just needs a lot of love, and it really wants to be redone... so maybe when/if that happens 
CCP karkur | User Interface Programmer | Team Pony Express | @CCP karkur |
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Greygal
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
165
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:54:00 -
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Balzac Legazou wrote:
Allow logistics drones to repair my own ship (yes, there are gameplay implications, but objectively only for logistics ships, and they can be dealt with by tweaking those ships; the idea that my repair drones can't repair my own ship is just nonsensical). Ex., telling logistics drones to "repair" with no target selected would make them repair the owner's ship (so there's no need to allow self-locking, which I guess would require too much debugging; alternatively, they automatically repair the parent when orbiting).
This. I love this. Oh please, CCP Karkur, consider this! :)
What you do for yourself dies with you, what you do for others is immortal. |
Balzac Legazou
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:56:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:I think we all agree that the drone UI needs to be redone.
Well, I think we also all agree that Eve should have an option to reverse mouse wheel zoom, and yet we've been waiting for it for over 10 years.
I guess the department responsible for mouse wheel reversal ran out of funding after all the money was diverted to the "let's put a great big red WANTED sign covering half of every character's portrait" program.
CCP karkur wrote:
I don't think those small tweaks will change anything about that, but they will hopefully make the drone UI just a little bit more usable until then.
When you say "change anything about that", do you mean about the fact that we all agree it needs to be changed, or do you mean there are actually some plans / commitment on CCP's part to re-do the whole drone UI at some point?
Basically what I'm asking is:
Do you have a "proper" drone UI / drone command structure up your sleeve (designed and waiting to be implemented, perhaps on the next major expansion) ? Or is that still at the stage were "we agree it needs to be changed, but we don't really know how or when (or if) we're actually going to change it" ?
P.S. - Not related to drones specifically, but have you considered adding little icons and / or colour-coding the entries in the right-click context menus? I think most people can locate options much faster if they have a visual cue, instead of having to read a list of (often very similar) text entries. For example, making "dangerous" options (like "reprocess" or "abandon") red would make people less likely to click them by accident when trying to use the option directly above them (like "repackage"). I know there are confirmation dialog boxes for most of them, but still; making it easier to pick the correct option to begin with is a more elegant UI design solution. |
Lan Staz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:59:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:Drone changes:- Drones and dronegroups can be dragged from "Drones in Bay" folder onto "Drones in Local Space" folder to be launched
- Drones and dronegroups can be dragged from "Drones in Local Space" folder onto "Drones in Bay" folder to be pulled in
- Drones can be dragged into groups (as long as they can be grouped with the ones that are there already)... if the drone and the group you dragged it on are not in the same place, the drone will be launched/picked up and moved to the group
- Main drone groups ( "Drones in Bay" and "Drones in Local Space") will no longer randomly collapse
- Opacity of sub groups has been reduced
- Sorting of drones and drone groups has been changed... now first all the groupless drones are listed in alphabetical order, and then all the groups (instead of alphabetical order where groupless drones would land between groups).
Super cool.
How difficult would it be to be able to drag/drop drones onto a locked target to have them engage that target?
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CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
2462
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:09:00 -
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Balzac Legazou wrote:When you say "change anything about that", do you mean about the fact that we all agree it needs to be changed, or do you mean there are actually some plans / commitment on CCP's part to re-do the whole drone UI at some point?
Basically what I'm asking is:
Do you have a "proper" drone UI / drone command structure up your sleeve (designed and waiting to be implemented, perhaps on the next major expansion) ? Or is that still at the stage were "we agree it needs to be changed, but we don't really know how or when (or if) we're actually going to change it" ?
Pretty much still at the "we agree it needs to be changed, but we don't really know how or when (or if) we're actually going to change it" stage although I know our UI designers have been experimenting a bit with it.
By "change anything about that" I meant that no one is going to go "No, OMG, we can't redo the drone UI now, karkur just spent X time on adding drag/drop!!"
And color coding... I haven't really thought about it, but I think it would be more for our designers to decide on anyways
CCP karkur | User Interface Programmer | Team Pony Express | @CCP karkur |
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Balzac Legazou
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:22:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:Pretty much still at the "we agree it needs to be changed, but we don't really know how or when (or if) we're actually going to change it" stage although I know our UI designers have been experimenting a bit with it.
Meh. Feared as much. 
CCP karkur wrote:And color coding... I haven't really thought about it, but I think it would be more for our designers to decide on anyways
They're too busy buffing their favourite ships.
Icons would be even better (like the little skull icon that appears when an option is restricted by security), but that would probably take time to do (Eve's current neocom / station icons are hard enough to interpret at full size, scaling them down would just turn them into blobs).
Colour-coding should be pretty easy to do (a lot of players already do it for their overview tabs, for example, so I suspect the game engine does support colouring context-menu entries).
Also, not sure if this is (just) a design issue or if it's due to the underlying code, but it's a bit confusing that there are two separate "Invite to..." options in context menus when clicking on a player (one to invite to fleet, the other to invite to chat channels). Has this been changed in Singularity (I vaguely remember reading something about it)? At least maybe rename "Invite to fleet" simply to "Fleet (invite)", so they're easier to distinguish.
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Zilero
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
88
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:53:00 -
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I absolutely hate the radial menu. Please make an option so I can turn it off! |
Nicola Arman
Lacuna.
33
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:15:00 -
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CCP I fuckin love you! |
S1euth
The Graduates
RAZOR Alliance
17
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:31:00 -
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CCP Karkur is a mind reader. Thanks for the updates! |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Aegis Solaris
2113
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:50:00 -
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CCP karkur wrote:Jaime Gomes wrote: am wondering if you guys could add another UI change reguarding drones.
During fleets we normally have the whatchlist visible at all times. When we deploy drones, in order to assist, we have the alphabetical options avaiable tru a list. If you remember right click on deployed drones "assist" option.
Could it be possible to implement the following: When selecting "assist" before the alphabetical list put the names of the dudes on the wl that so the assign can be quicker?
This simple change would be cool. Makes sense to me Can't promise anything though. Just a question... would dragging a drone to a guy in the WL to assign it to them be of any value? (not saying I'll do it, just wondering.
Yes that would help. So would dragging the drone group to someone in the fleet window, or the fleet chat window. BUT drones can be assigned to "assist" and to "guard". We need some way to do both.
As for controlling drones, I'm partial to the idea that there are three new hot keys: Go to next group, Go to previous group, and Launch current group.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Panhead4411
Rothschild's Sewage and Septic Sucking Services
The Possum Lodge
331
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:03:00 -
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Okay, since it seems like the longest time one could set the radial menu to delay popping up still feels like its less than a second. Also, in the current build on SiSi i'm having trouble locating the option to make it slower/faster. I was able to find it on TQ right after you forced this p.o.s. on everyone, but can't find it now. (because, believe it or not, some ppl actually DON'T prefer to use it for everything that can otherwise be done with a single instant click)
http://blog.beyondreality.se/shift-click-does-nothing -á-á < Unified Inventory is NOT ready... |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
856
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:08:00 -
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Playing with the drone UI a bit, and one thing I found missing was the ability to tell a group of drones to engage or return-and-orbit via radial menu. (Also, the ability to access the radial menu via the drone window at all.) Right now we have to order each drone individually to attack a target, which makes the radial menu mostly pointless for them when the vast majority of users are going to want all of their drones attacking the same target at once, and might as well just use the r-click menu or a keyboard shortcut instead.
Which requires a couple things, namely the ability to use the radial menu via the drone window. Ideally, clicking on an individual drone gives the radial menu for that drone, and clicking on the group dropdown bar gives a radial menu that controls the entire group.
Otherwise, drone UI definitely looks better than before. Love the drag-and-drop functionality - that's really helpful. :)
Morwen Lagann
Director, Tyrathlion Interstellar |
Caellach Marellus
Aideron Technologies
1105
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:22:00 -
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Small suggestion, but if you're ever looking to find space to keybind drone group commands, there's an entire numberpad that the game doesn't use. Having 10 different drone group setups (per ship) should be enough for any pilot. You could then have each type merely launch drones based on your set up from your drone bay, rather than picking specific drones.
For example group 1 could be 5 Hobgoblins, group 2 could be 2 Ogres, 2 Hammerheads and a Hobgoblin. You'd only need 5 hobs in your drone bay total, as the drone bay would be treated as a singular resource pool.
While I appreciate the fact that the Drone UI will require a complete overhaul to bring it up to the 21st century, that the current iterations are band-aid fixes (and really useful ones too!) and there's no time set in the upcoming projects for such an overhaul; I can't stress enough how much I personally would love to see this become a priority.
Though, to repeat myself, a standardised drone action key for mining/salvaging/attacking to replace the current attack key would be lovely if it can be implemented now.
Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Mike AntHunt
A...
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:35:00 -
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Would you guys mind terribly fixing the memory leak that was introduced in odyessey? This is very noticeable when running missions or plexes, salvaging or selling things on the item. The client starts off fine ( 1 client ) and after a while, you can very well notice degraded performance. The whole client becomes slow, nearly unresponsive and when I restart the client it works just fine. This has been very evident since radial menus and other ui changes were implemented. Before this, my client would run perfectly.
Setup
EVGA p55 classified 200 motherboard
core i7 860 processor
GTX 560 superclocked graphics
GTX 460 graphics
16GB DDR3 memory
Velociraptor 7200rpm 720 GB hard drive
Eve Settings
All graphics on low
HDR disabled
station environment loaded
anti-aliasing as low as it can go. |
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
638
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:57:00 -
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Drone naming of groups is not active in this build. Can't create sub groups like groups of 5 or a damaged drone hanger. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
1919
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Posted - 2013.08.13 01:51:00 -
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the drone UI changes are very nice, looking forward to the patch!
and btw whatever you did to the drone window.. awesome work. It is fast and doesn't do random things like collapsing stuff or disappearing for a few seconds.
eve style bounties (done)
dust boarding parties
imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
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