The Dominix is terribly overpowered at the moment, using it as a benchmark is bad.

The 50% velocity bonus should be split in half with a ROF or explosion radius bonus to bring it up to par with other pirate ships.

No. It's not terribly overpowered. And its damage projection potential I mentioned was there BEFORE the changes, by the way.

And loosing any pirate faction battleship in a mission is shameful, not just th4e RS.

As I said, a drone CONTROL RANGE bonus to the Rattlesnake:

1) Would make it more useful in both PvP and PvE
2) Would NOT be a drone tracking speed bonus like the Domi, which Domi whiners would surely appreciate.

It still has one thing going for it that I've not found on another boat.

There is NO better boat when you're BLIND drunk. None. Absolutely no substitute.

Anyone claiming another boat is as good needs to learn to drink properly.

Bah no changes to rattlesnake on test server.

This is a really stupid idea. The RS already has two utility High slots for Drone Links. I do not need or want more control range. I believe the RS needs the Drone Tracking bonus the Domi has. I couldn't care less what Domi owners think about that.

Make it happen CCP.

@Darius that is exactly my sentiment.
I don't want another domi but after consideration it could use the domi bonus but watered down like previously suggested with minor bonuses to lock range (and a flight speed increase).
Problem as is is that both rattler and navy domi are stuck as an ancient heavy drone platform conceptually.
I mention the domi buff simply because the rattler is still a pirate ship with the oddest (least used) and most SP intensive skillset of all of them.
Flying a rattler is a commitment like no other.
Maybe this is more a nerf domi solution/whine but bottom line would be increase lock range, remove the torpedo bonus and increase flight speed, those really are essentials.
Rattlers tankyness is awesome but its really just a set of training wheels for low skill/kids don't give daddy time instead of sleeping/or some extreme thing in null sec or epic arcs.
But the real sought after attributes; mobility and dps don't come from a now 20% tank bonus.

I fly Rattler so clearly it needs buffed.
Trolling aside it's missing something indeed.
I think it needs a velocity buff IMHO.
Also the buff to missile velocity only has real applications to torpedoes as 4 unbuffed launchers are a joke in pvp and lackluster in pve since missiles synergize poorly with drones due to their delayed damage.
Cruise missiles with 50% faster flight time get to almost twice your base targetting range.
The amount of face palm sillyness that comes with the hull detract a lot from how respectable it is in pve and how well it performs even compared to the cookiecutter BS out there.
For the love of science though, give that boat a velocity buff it's like the only pirate ship slower then its standard BS cousins and that I call rubbish.

I'm looking at alternatives. CCP won't resort to the "easy" solution of giving the Rattlesnake the same set of drone bonus that the Dominix got, so it's useless to keep mentioning that.

I suggested the drone control range, because it's generally considered "not dangerous". Nobody would say it makes the Rattlesnake overpowered.

And also because standard Cruises on a Rattlesnake hit past 200Km without modules, implants or rigs for damage projection (double of its locking range, which is a waste), but the drones are restricted to 100ish Km, even the longest reaching ones (Wardens). This looks like a sort of inconsistency.

If you have any other proposals to bring the Rattlesnake in line with the rest of the pirate battleships (other than asking for the Dominix tracking bonus), I'm all for them too.

I really just wish there was a pirate faction battleship that had missile/torps bonused so that it actually mattered what you put in the top slots. I've tried 6 neuts vs 4 launchers and 2 neuts on the test server and every time I have gotten better results with the 6 neuts because eventually I would cap out anything that doesn't use projectiles or isn't a Bhaalgorn, because you can't beat it at its own game.

So after playing around against all other battleships on test server the rattlensnake has lost every fight. Wasn't really close. Vindi chewed everything, Bhaalgorn was a little jackass, Nightmare did the same, couldn't hit the machariel with jack, and against another rattler it was a brickfest. I want the rattlesnake to be useful and fun for pvp but that stupid worthless velocity bonus can be so much better.

Why? Because you say so? There is NO reason whatsoever why the RS shouldn't have the same Drone bonuses as the Domi. It's a Drone Pirate BS FFS - if anything it should have the best Drone bonuses of any ship in the game.

It's a stupid suggestion. The bonus should be something useful - Drone Control Range can be easily achieved with a couple of Drone Links. If they give the RS the bonuses you want then what are you going to put in the utility Highs? The Domi Drone bonuses are what the RS should get.

WTF are you on about? I can make Bouncers hit out to over 180KM with 3 Faction omnis

If CCP want to do something useful with CMs on the RS, then they need to either a. give it more Launchers, or b. give the Launchers a damage bonus and Explosive Radius reduction bonus. Personally, I'd rather see the RS be a fully focused Drone hull.

You need to accept you're in the minority as far as the Domi bonuses are concerned.

Because solo PvP in pirate faction battleships gets chicks.

No, YOU CANNOT, because your drone control range will barely get past 100 Km unless you completely forgo your FOUR launchers. You cannot shoot with Sentries beyond your drone control range, whatever your Bouncer stats read when you click on it.

You couldn't get anything close to that package on a RS. It's a pointless fit though for PVE because you'd never need that much range, but it makes my point.

Pve isn't just your Lvl4s.

[quote=Marcus Walkuris]@Darius that is exactly my sentiment.
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I'm looking at alternatives. CCP won't resort to the "easy" solution of giving the Rattlesnake the same set of drone bonus that the Dominix got, so it's useless to keep mentioning that.

I suggested the drone control range, because it's generally considered "not dangerous". Nobody would say it makes the Rattlesnake overpowered.

And also because standard Cruises on a Rattlesnake hit past 200Km without modules, implants or rigs for damage projection (double of its locking range, which is a waste), but the drones are restricted to 100ish Km, even the longest reaching ones (Wardens). This looks like a sort of inconsistency.

If you have any other proposals to bring the Rattlesnake in line with the rest of the pirate battleships (other than asking for the Dominix tracking bonus), I'm all for them too.