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baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2013.08.20 20:39:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:I would be curious on how much the Alliance Tournament influences their decisions...
Zero.
The fact that the domi were used so much is simply because they are overpowered. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2033
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Posted - 2013.08.20 22:40:00 -
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The reason for the Vagabonds popularity is simple: It's a good ship. Shield tanked, fast, decent range and enough powergrid and CPU to put a non gimpy fit on it. It works readily as a solo boat, makes a great heavy tackle/dps platform for a gang. Long story short: The vagabond has a "point". It has a role. Many of the others do not.
The weakness of several other platforms has as much to do with their weapons selection as anything else.
Lets talk Spaceships and Roles:
Vagabond: Role, skirmisher, heavy tackle. The vagabonds fitting options, general speed and DPS make it great for this role. It's a success! Medium Autocannons are in a great place in the meta as it now stands, which further boosts the capabilities of this ship, making it not only a great gang boat, but a great solo boat as well.
Munnin: Role, DPS, usually long range. Medium artillery is in a great place in this game. The strength of the munnin as a platform leans almost entirely on it's weapon system. If medium arty was to be nerfed hard in the near future? The munnin would become a trash ship no one uses.
Eagle: Suffers from the fact that medium rails are pretty garbage right now. Boost the rails and this ship will be right up there with the munnin as a long range DPS platform. In fact it would likely be a little bit better due to stiffer tank and better overall tracking on rails.
Cerberus: Suffers from powergrid issues. HML's are not really an option anymore, and a full rack of HAM's + a decent shield tank pretty much fucks up your fitting options. If I was going to do anything to this ship I'd drop the utility high, subtract a mid and add a low + add some PG. It may be worth mentioning that even with a full rack of HAM's + 3 BCS you are just going to be eaking out the same damage that a Vagabond does, are considerably slower and well.... This ship needs help. It could be a lovely ship however. There is potential there for it to be a great medium to large gang hac.
Ishtar: Was honestly in a decent place already. It's a baby dominix. It's a great PVE boat as well. The small buffs it is getting are more than enough to keep it competitive.
Deimos: Slow as hell with blasters. A rail setup could be interesting if medium rails weren't garbage.
Sacrilege: Drop a mid for a low and I'll fall in love with this ship. Tia. Zealot: The best medium gang ahac in the game. I'm not even going to justify anything by typing it up. |
Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
140
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Posted - 2013.08.22 11:57:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Guttripper wrote:I would be curious on how much the Alliance Tournament influences their decisions... Zero. The fact that the domi were used so much is simply because they are overpowered. I don't think it'll be used as data either, at least not a lot. I think CCP has a pretty good idea what ships are the most popular and the reason why these are so popular...
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Arieth Cash
Silent Step
0
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Posted - 2013.08.22 14:50:00 -
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Rifter is still the most popular frigate. That must reflect the rifter performance right ? Not the fact that is an iconic ship used in logos in hundreds of sites for the past 10 years.
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Whitehound
1899
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Posted - 2013.08.22 14:52:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Blobbing is the best. I never met him, but heard a lot of good things about him. Can you introduce us? Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4535
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Posted - 2013.08.22 16:11:00 -
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Popularity of a hull is only one metric of many that CCP looks at for balancing. It's a handy tool for red flagging certain ships for a closer look, but they can also determine what types of activity that those ships are used in to generate those numbers.
This whole thread is based on part of one sentence taken out of context.... and is a complete waste of time.
Well done. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Fanatic Row
DED Drug Enforcement Department
49
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Posted - 2013.08.22 16:32:00 -
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Just pray that your favorite ship doesn't get picked up in a 0.0 doctrine.
The Drake was lolDrake for years, around comes 0.0 shield buffer, and even tho no numbers had changed, the Drake was suddenly considered overpowered.
It did teach people how to firewall properly tho, more tools in the toolbox is always good |
Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
182
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Posted - 2013.08.22 16:40:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Guttripper wrote:I would be curious on how much the Alliance Tournament influences their decisions... Zero. The fact that the domi were used so much is simply because they are overpowered. Say what?
It is/was not. Domis were not putting up anything near ye old Drake extreme numbers on Tranquility, and not even for one month let alone multiple years. But, the timing definitely catered to the whines of a portion of the eve populace that started fuming over heavy Domi use in the friggin AT.
Meanwhile, to the OP, Draek tears are the best tears. The Drake is not now a bad ship. It's just not what it used to be, and so many expected it to stay. May it rot in perceived underpoweredness for another 3 years to balance out its overuse for all those years. Ironically, it and the Tengu were used heavily for multiple ATs but it did not get the warp speed nerf the Domi just got. Shame on CCP.
And as for your popularity does not equal power advantage argument, you're wrong. While popularity numbers may not line up perfectly with power valuations, to suggest that popularity is divergent from relative power of a ship is to postulate that collectively the eve player base don't make rational decisions. Notwithstanding occasional derps and comedy fittings, collectively, we are able to evaluate the relative merits of ships and gravitate toward using those that are best.
This happened with the Drake (for years). It wasn't being used so heavily because it was winning a beauty contest. That so many were so butthurt when it got trimmed further demonstrates that they got used to the cheap and easy button it was. People do not fly ships in large numbers if it sucks. People do fly ships in large numbers if has advantages over other alternative ships. |
Spurty
945
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Posted - 2013.08.22 16:44:00 -
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Does the Vaga get that Kinetic hole plugged or speed increased to way over 4km/s ensuring it's the fastest cruiser by a mile and a nod to its 'speed tanking' heritage?
If not, sure happy *people* [that I don't know] will fly it, because my Talos likes them easy kills
PG buff is agreeably a lot more useful than them giving it extra hull hit points I suppose.
I agree with the OP.
Citing 'favoritism' over 'facts' is not really your duty when 'balancing'. It's an 'Oh dear' moment for some of us to read that. --- GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥ GÇò Philip K. **** |
Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
182
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Posted - 2013.08.22 16:48:00 -
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Fanatic Row wrote:Just pray that your favorite ship doesn't get picked up in a 0.0 doctrine. The Drake was lolDrake for years, around comes 0.0 shield buffer, and even tho no numbers had changed, the Drake was suddenly considered overpowered. It did teach people how to firewall properly tho, more tools in the toolbox is always good You ignore the fact that it was lol Drake in the beginning because noobs kept bringing their pve regen purger Draeks that tank whole pve rooms to pvp battles and expected them to perform the same way and be appreciated for their anemic dps while they should never die. You also ignore the many changes in the game that shifted the power/value considerations toward Drakes.
When folks started realizing the power of the resist bonus married to logis, the ability to perma mwd it, the 70km sweet spot in range once probing killed off the sniper BSs, the introduction of rig sizing, etc., basically all the other changes in the game that took place over time, they realized Drakes were a very good value. So they started flying them in huge numbers. And, firewalling is a large fleet only, imperfect solution, to a game with no dedicated anti missile ewar. But that's another issue. |
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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
141
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Posted - 2013.08.22 17:09:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Does the Vaga get that Kinetic hole plugged or speed increased to way over 4km/s ensuring it's the fastest cruiser by a mile and a nod to its 'speed tanking' heritage?
If not, sure happy *people* [that I don't know] will fly it, because my Talos likes them easy kills
PG buff is agreeably a lot more useful than them giving it extra hull hit points I suppose.
I agree with the OP.
Citing 'favoritism' over 'facts' is not really your duty when 'balancing'. It's an 'Oh dear' moment for some of us to read that. So you're saying that data like 23% of all PvP'ers fly a rifter (the number was made up, it's an example) is not a fact? Oh dear...
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Fanatic Row
DED Drug Enforcement Department
49
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Posted - 2013.08.22 17:32:00 -
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Deacon Abox wrote:Fanatic Row wrote:Just pray that your favorite ship doesn't get picked up in a 0.0 doctrine. The Drake was lolDrake for years, around comes 0.0 shield buffer, and even tho no numbers had changed, the Drake was suddenly considered overpowered. It did teach people how to firewall properly tho, more tools in the toolbox is always good You ignore the fact that it was lol Drake in the beginning because noobs kept bringing their pve regen purger Draeks, that tanked whole pve rooms, to pvp battles and expected them to perform the same way, and be appreciated for their anemic dps while they should never die. You also ignore the many changes in the game that shifted the power/value considerations toward Drakes. When folks started realizing the power of the resist bonus married to logis, the ability to perma mwd it, the 70km sweet spot in range once probing killed off the sniper BSs, the introduction of rig sizing, etc., basically all the other changes in the game that took place over time, they realized Drakes were a very good value. So they started flying them in huge numbers. And, firewalling is a large fleet only, imperfect solution, to a game with no working dedicated anti missile ewar. But that's another issue. What I was getting at was that people went after the hull, not the mechanics.
The Drake was the same as before. In itself, it was never overpowered or in need of a nerf.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4209
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Posted - 2013.08.22 21:47:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Blobbing is the best. I never met him, but heard a lot of good things about him. Can you introduce us? He has a lot of friends, that's the best part There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Spurty
945
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Posted - 2013.08.22 23:20:00 -
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Grauth Thorner wrote: So you're saying that data like 23% of all PvP'ers fly a rifter (the number was made up, it's an example) is not a fact? Oh dear...
Quoting for shame. Son, I am disappoint.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20
Rifter's not even in the top 20 mate.
Where does your Data come from? Lets look at it (I'm curious as to how you can be so wrong, but think you're so right).
--- GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥ GÇò Philip K. **** |
Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
142
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Posted - 2013.08.23 00:05:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Grauth Thorner wrote: So you're saying that data like 23% of all PvP'ers fly a rifter (the number was made up, it's an example) is not a fact? Oh dear...
Quoting for shame. Son, I am disappoint. http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20Rifter's not even in the top 20 mate. Where does your Data come from? Lets look at it (I'm curious as to how you can be so wrong, but think you're so right). As stated in the post: "the number was made up, it's an example" - I'm talking about data -like- that, which in fact is a fact.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4210
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Posted - 2013.08.23 04:37:00 -
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A failure to read is not a failure at all in General Discussion There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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