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Clytamnestra	Posted - 2006.01.01 18:56:00 - [61] Originally by: Ikvar My ships are crewed by shaven monkies. Ah, so that's your secret. --
Tori Welles	Posted - 2006.01.01 18:57:00 - [62] Originally by: Karx I'll just wrap it up for everyone: Ships have crews, theres too much damn evidence to disprove that. Having a crew doesnt have any noticable effect on your ship, other than 'auxillary roles' which are just there so all of this isnt so unbelivable. Therefore, everyone saying what the crews should do, ect, should be posting in features and idea discussion. ~The End~ I still haven't seen this evidence you're talking about. Show me where it specifically says "Podpilot ships still have a crew".
Wolfstriked	Posted - 2006.01.01 19:01:00 - [63] Edited by: Wolfstriked on 01/01/2006 19:05:46 Any replies from CCP would be nice.Would love to know if they are even considering adding crews to Eve.the thougt that you lose 6K humans if your BS gets destroyed is something that maybe CCP doesnt want to bring into the publics mind. Still I would love to know what the genuises at CCP have in store for us if they do bring crews into eve.We all know there are crews but now CCP has to make them a fun/strategic part of the gameplay. CCp could have it so that crew are left in the cargo containers.We could then pick up the crew and sell them into slavery or free them or what not and stuff.When you destroy a pod you are destroying a super high value pilot.No reason to destroy the crew left over.
Darius Shakor	Posted - 2006.01.01 19:01:00 - [64] Read the thread!!! Gawd enough links to official prime fiction written by the EVE content staff have been posted. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal Every man has a devil. You can never rest until you find it.
Tori Welles	Posted - 2006.01.01 19:19:00 - [65] As I said, please point me to the paragraph in those stories which says that a ship modified for pod pilots still carries a crew. Perhaps I missed it when I read them, but I certainly didn't see it.
Hayzo	Posted - 2006.01.01 19:36:00 - [66] Edited by: Hayzo on 01/01/2006 19:36:32 Originally by: Hands of a Killer Four months later, Daren Athaksis was confirmed as one of six-thousand three-hundred and fourteen reported casualties resulting from the destruction of the Apocalypse-class battleship "Dam-Imud." His post was filled within three days. His family was not notified. ____________________ "Your safe Boundaries were once unknown frontiers" Join channel: TKI-Net
Tori Welles	Posted - 2006.01.01 19:52:00 - [67] Edited by: Tori Welles on 01/01/2006 19:58:05 Originally by: Hayzo Edited by: Hayzo on 01/01/2006 19:36:32 Originally by: Hands of a Killer Four months later, Daren Athaksis was confirmed as one of six-thousand three-hundred and fourteen reported casualties resulting from the destruction of the Apocalypse-class battleship "Dam-Imud." His post was filled within three days. His family was not notified. And where does it say that was a pod-piloted ship? I understand that the old schematic pics of the ships listed crew and such, however it was my understanding that those were the versions of the ships that had not been modified. I also remember reading in one of those short stories that the empires stopped using pod pilots in their navies because they could not trust a ship with a single crewmember to make the right decisions without others to check him incase he begins to lose his morality. I still have yet to see any official evidence that pod piloted ships have a crew.
The Hooch	Posted - 2006.01.01 19:55:00 - [68] Crews, yes. A nautural expanstion of this game is to have skills related to crew enhancment that make the ship more effective at whatever you choose to train your crew to do with your ship. Cheers Hooch, Military and Political Guru, Peacenik, Flame Baiter, BoB Watcher, BoB Lover, BoB Hater, BoB Fanboi, *****um, Troll, Forum Warrior, Mister Star Trek, Captain Obvious, Carebear...
Kage Getsu	Posted - 2006.01.01 19:57:00 - [69] Edited by: Kage Getsu on 01/01/2006 19:58:53 Until I have to hire a crew and pay for its upkeep, my ship does not have a crew. I highly doubt a crew is included in the mineral cost of a ship, unless you count the automated systems as a crew. Edit: I think that NPC ships are crewed traditionally for the most part, because the players are supposed to be the elite starship captains, and I don't think pod pilots are supposed to be the norm. 'Named' NPCs like Kruul probably use a capsule system.
Tori Welles	Posted - 2006.01.01 20:00:00 - [70] Edited by: Tori Welles on 01/01/2006 20:01:51 The Caldari began using pod-pilot ships in the Gallente/Caldari wars because these new ships could perform maneuvers that no unprotected human could do. The fact that they had only one human aboard, and that he was suspended in a capsule filled with ectoplasmic fluid which protected him from the inertial stresses let them out maneuver the Gallente ships. This began happening to such an extreme that the Gallente responded by introducing pod-piloted ships of their own. When someone shows me some hard evidence, I'll admit that we may have crews according to the backstory. Everything I've seen so far has indicated no crews. Simply proclaiming that there IS evidence doesn't make that evidence real. So dig it up and show us.

ZYMOTICAL	Posted - 2006.01.01 20:12:00 - [71] I have to agree, I haven't seen much in the way of "Evidence" here, just some people yelling that there IS evidence.
Ixianus	Posted - 2006.01.01 20:17:00 - [72] For Christ sake. We have crews, it doesnt matter how technologically advanced we are, it would tkae alot more tech than what we have to automate a battleship the size of a small city. Sure you can control everything, but what happens when some random ****ty system stops working hmm? It would be moronic to send a ship into space as large as a bs with only one person in it. Also, if this were the case, design functionality would be focused alot more toward what the ship is supposed to do, ie, it would be a big ass hunk of metal with not very many opens spaces for worthless peon crew to crawl around. Yes we have crews, yes we have all by action or lack thereof killed thousands upon thousands of worthless denizens of the Eve cluster. The fact that they arnt shown is probably just due to some programming conflict or some crap like that. For the last time we do have crews, even some of the larger frigates have crews, cruisers have hundres, bss have thousands, think about it and im sure you can get rough numbers for inhabitants of stations, titans and such as well.
ZYMOTICAL	Posted - 2006.01.01 20:22:00 - [73] Originally by: Ixianus For Christ sake. We have crews, it doesnt matter how technologically advanced we are, it would tkae alot more tech than what we have to automate a battleship the size of a small city. Sure you can control everything, but what happens when some random ****ty system stops working hmm? It would be moronic to send a ship into space as large as a bs with only one person in it. Also, if this were the case, design functionality would be focused alot more toward what the ship is supposed to do, ie, it would be a big ass hunk of metal with not very many opens spaces for worthless peon crew to crawl around. Yes we have crews, yes we have all by action or lack thereof killed thousands upon thousands of worthless denizens of the Eve cluster. The fact that they arnt shown is probably just due to some programming conflict or some crap like that. For the last time we do have crews, even some of the larger frigates have crews, cruisers have hundres, bss have thousands, think about it and im sure you can get rough numbers for inhabitants of stations, titans and such as well. The ships look like they should have crews because they used to have them. All of the tech 1 ships in the game are old ships modified for capsule technology, which allows a single pilot to control ship systems via a direct neural link. Ship maintenance could be handled by automated drones, or even remote-controlled robots that the pilot controls throuth the pod.
Dontrun Imyourfriend	Posted - 2006.01.01 20:24:00 - [74] Originally by: Tori Welles And where does it say that was a pod-piloted ship? blah blah I still have yet to see any official evidence that pod piloted ships have a crew. Did you just decide to wake up stupid this morning, or have you been practising for a long time? READ THE GODDAMN STORY (Hands Of A Killer). If you can't find the reference to the fact the pilot is a pod pilot, then I'm sorry, but
Tori Welles	Posted - 2006.01.01 20:26:00 - [75] Quote: Stories are told of pod pilot heroes flying on the side of the Caldari during the twilight years of the Gallente-Caldari war, executing maneuvers unthinkable to those encumbered with a full crew complement and the bothersome necessity of using vocal commands and hand-eye coordination to steer their vessels. Such pilots were a rare breed, though; because of the technologyÆs inherent dangers, capsule-fitted ships were not yet in mass production and existing models therefore had to be retro-fitted at great effort and expense. Found that in an article on the pods.
CalHyra Senpet	Posted - 2006.01.01 20:27:00 - [76] Originally by: Kage Getsu Edited by: Kage Getsu on 01/01/2006 19:58:53 Edit: I think that NPC ships are crewed traditionally for the most part, because the players are supposed to be the elite starship captains, and I don't think pod pilots are supposed to be the norm. 'Named' NPCs like Kruul probably use a capsule system. Kruul, Zor and Draben Kuvakei have to have pods and clones. I've certainly killed them quite a few times and they still keep popping up...
ZYMOTICAL	Posted - 2006.01.01 20:38:00 - [77] Guys, it isn't that big of a deal. Its a roleplay point at best, and has no game effect. Why argue? I killed my whole crew and replaced them with robotic femmbots who are very well endowed, and can fix stuff. Got a problem with it? They also have breast-cannons. I'll swarm your ship with beautiful and deadly remote-controlled assassins!
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.01.01 20:45:00 - [78] What happens when you leave a megathron and its 6000 man crew at a safe safespot and so asshat shows up and steal it :D "New pod: yo guys - new management" "6000 crewman: whateva" also, what when you abandon a badger at a deep safe safespot for 15 month then come back "pod: yo guys did u miss me?" "800 crewman: finally! lets go haul more veldspar!" - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
ZYMOTICAL	Posted - 2006.01.01 20:47:00 - [79] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig What happens when you leave a megathron and its 6000 man crew at a safe safespot and so asshat shows up and steal it :D "New pod: yo guys - new management" "6000 crewman: whateva" also, what when you abandon a badger at a deep safe safespot for 15 month then come back "pod: yo guys did u miss me?" "800 crewman: finally! lets go haul more veldspar!" ' -Self destruct initiated- 6000 crewmen: "Yo Cap, what's the deal? Should we evac?" Pod-Pilot: "Nah, chill man. I'll eject and you guys die, then I get the insurance money." 6000 crewmen: "Aww man, this job blows!"
Pater Syntaxeos	Posted - 2006.01.01 20:58:00 - [80] Lord, why is this an issue? I've read the fluff and I was in beta, when the crew stats for ships were clearly posted. Ships have crew. The only reason that you don't notice them now is that they haven't been implimented. I'm betting that they will be in the future, to add upkeep costs for ships. Besides, what do you think those thousand tiny specks of light on an Apoc are? Running lights? ;)

Tori Welles	Posted - 2006.01.01 21:03:00 - [81] Originally by: Pater Syntaxeos Lord, why is this an issue? I've read the fluff and I was in beta, when the crew stats for ships were clearly posted. Ships have crew. The only reason that you don't notice them now is that they haven't been implimented. I'm betting that they will be in the future, to add upkeep costs for ships. Besides, what do you think those thousand tiny specks of light on an Apoc are? Running lights? ;) That was explained above. The ships still have little windows and such because they used to have a crew. Crew is not needed now, since one person can control the whole thing. They just didn't remove the windows when the modified the ship. If we had a crew, don't you think they'd protest when you self destructed or didn't buy any food? Anyway, it doesn't matter.
Sai Maru	Posted - 2006.01.01 21:05:00 - [82] I really like this kind of discussion. I think it's a sign of a really good game. Anyway, here's my question about the whole crew thing... so, I remember one time, some random player decided to lock on and fire on me while I was closing in on a stargate in Empire space. He was quickly taken care of by Concord. So, what does this say about Concord and the crews on the ships? I'm of the opinion that some ships do have crews, but that would mean that in the case above, Concord killed the crew of that ship but left the captain, who was ultimately responsible for the action, alive. What's up with that? I can only conclude that life really is cheap in EVE. Oh well, you only live as long as you can afford the clones.
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.01.01 21:13:00 - [83] Originally by: ZYMOTICAL Originally by: Goberth Ludwig What happens when you leave a megathron and its 6000 man crew at a safe safespot and so asshat shows up and steal it :D "New pod: yo guys - new management" "6000 crewman: whateva" also, what when you abandon a badger at a deep safe safespot for 15 month then come back "pod: yo guys did u miss me?" "800 crewman: finally! lets go haul more veldspar!" ' -Self destruct initiated- 6000 crewmen: "Yo Cap, what's the deal? Should we evac?" Pod-Pilot: "Nah, chill man. I'll eject and you guys die, then I get the insurance money." 6000 crewmen: "Aww man, this job blows!" ROFL so true seriously how does fiction justify all that? - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
Halunoto Vankaalen	Posted - 2006.01.01 21:18:00 - [84] Evidence ships have crews = below ^^^^ That is rock-solid proof. The Jovian Wet-Grave ships were old yes, but Hands of a Killer is a recent article. The author can attest to that as it is actually him in the picture hiring the guy. Kudos to the guy who posted the Internet stupidity pic, it was really needed -----
Wanoah	Posted - 2006.01.01 21:40:00 - [85] Quote: I can only conclude that life really is cheap in EVE Nail on the head. Eve is really harsh. Life is cheap. The planets are overpopulated; there is not enough food. The Amarr are so terrified of famine that they have entire planets devoted to agriculture. All the food producers have plantations in space, as homeworlds are rendered infertile by the needs of industrial expansion and population pressures. If you think about it, being forced to grow food in space is pretty desperate. It's no coincidence that the Caldari have the highest incidence of homelessness in the galaxy: their ultra-capitalist society has no safety net for those whose luck runs out. It's no coincidence that the corp that produces synthetic food like protein delicacies is Caldari. They started out on a world where they had to wait decades for the terraforming to finish before they could even go outside - they were always going to be on the back foot when it came to producing food. Pod pilots are the elite. We earn more ISK in a few minutes ratting than most of Eve's population earns in a year. We are the educated, lucky ones. For John Doe living on Matar, life is more like Soylent Green than Star Trek. You are born, life is a tough sonofa***, then you die. People will be willing to work on our ships as crew simply because it gives them a bed to sleep in and free food. In my case, as an Ushra'Khan pilot, there's no shortage of brave Matari that want to fight the evil slavers and do their bit to free their enslaved brethren. It is the job of the fiction to fill in the background. To fill in the gaps that exist in the game because Eve isn't a perfect simulation of a future world. It's there to shed some light on the world we inhabit, to provide a basis for becoming involved with the game at a deeper level than Space Invaders. No, crew are not modelled in the game (yet) although there is evidence to suggest that there was originally an intention to have crew as an aspect of gameplay (there used to be a hidden ship attribute for crew, there is still a MaxPassengers attribute for all player ships). No, there is no interaction with the planets and their populations (yet). It is the job of the chronicles to bring these aspects to life, however, and for those who wish to read, they do that job quite well. If it will make everyone happy, I could write a chronicle called, "Ships in Eve have Crews. Period." It would be a short chronicle - even the laziest of readers could invest some of their time into reading it. In fact, I'll write it now: Quote: New Eve Chronicle!** Ships in Eve have crews. Period. Although widely debated amongst the ignorant planetbound folk of the galaxy, it is a fact that almost all ships in Eve have crews. Yes, even those captained by pod pilots have crews. Smaller ships, such as frigates need no crew, but ships of cruiser class and larger all have crews consisting of real, living, breathing humans. Barriers - An Eve Novel
ZYMOTICAL	Posted - 2006.01.01 21:47:00 - [86] Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen Edited by: Halunoto Vankaalen on 01/01/2006 21:19:38 Evidence ships have crews = below -Image snipped- ^^^^ That is rock-solid proof. An image of a ship from the days of EVE's release is hardly proof. It is a schematic of an unmodified ship. It doesn't say anywhere on there that it has been altered to fit a pod.
Halunoto Vankaalen	Posted - 2006.01.01 21:50:00 - [87] Originally by: ZYMOTICAL An image of a ship from the days of EVE's release is hardly proof. It is a schematic of an unmodified ship. It doesn't say anywhere on there that it has been altered to fit a pod. It's a picture of a common ship in EVE. Many people use them in State space. Therefore, it's flown by a lot of pod-pilots. Oh hey look, there's a crew figure there as well. -----
Right Eyeighty	Posted - 2006.01.01 21:57:00 - [88] There's certainly someone who's taking care of fedos running around my ship. ----------------------------- And now a word from my sponsor
ZYMOTICAL	Posted - 2006.01.01 21:57:00 - [89] Originally by: Halunoto Vankaalen Originally by: ZYMOTICAL An image of a ship from the days of EVE's release is hardly proof. It is a schematic of an unmodified ship. It doesn't say anywhere on there that it has been altered to fit a pod. It's a picture of a common ship in EVE. Many people use them in State space. Therefore, it's flown by a lot of pod-pilots. Oh hey look, there's a crew figure there as well. All the ships that we pod-pilots fly are modified versions of standard empire ships. It does not say whether or not that ship is modified to fit a capsule or not. I choose to believe that it is a standard ship run by a crew rather than a pod pilot. I also choose to believe that we do not have crew on Pod-piloted ships for many reasons.
Discorporation	Posted - 2006.01.01 21:58:00 - [90] Originally by: Tori Welles Edited by: Tori Welles on 01/01/2006 19:58:05 Originally by: Hayzo Edited by: Hayzo on 01/01/2006 19:36:32 Originally by: Hands of a Killer Four months later, Daren Athaksis was confirmed as one of six-thousand three-hundred and fourteen reported casualties resulting from the destruction of the Apocalypse-class battleship "Dam-Imud." His post was filled within three days. His family was not notified. And where does it say that was a pod-piloted ship? I'm the author of that story. The Pilot talking to the prospective crewmember is a Pod-pilot. I know because I wrote it. Next argument prease! [Now with MIND BULLETS!]



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