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Tsual
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Posted - 2006.01.05 00:56:00 -
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Edited by: Tsual on 05/01/2006 00:57:20
 Originally by: Karn Mithralia
If you truely play a humanitarian who cannot accept the lives of your crew are lost when you lose a ship, then work out how to RP that - let it affect your game-play. Don't fly BS's, hell don't fly cruisers. Perhaps don't judge the worth of your ship based on your wallet, but on the lives it holds within.
You know how sore I felt when I lost my first destroyer to belt pirates because I screw up at that moment, as they have served me for some time then.
(Zool those poor fellows were those I promised shore leave after the mission I helped you in.)
(By the way I still think it would have been way more intelligent to introduce crew managment instead of the now existing size based to hit/damage formular for turrets/missiles ... at least it would have solved this discussion's issue. May be connected to some "law for the protection of the youth" that they don't give out a clear statement concerning crews.)
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Haanem ulwei, utnazhiram Hal'sha'roh mahiraam Hor'thul.
The Universe is everything, the creation Hal'shah and the destruction Hor'thul.
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Halunoto Vankaalen
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Posted - 2006.01.05 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Svensaltofmining
Pod pilots have no crews in their ships, NPC ships are all crew controlled, thas about it really.
If you go through the literature it could go either way, but its been stated before tht this is correct and I really cba to dig it up.
To correct you,
Originally by: Erris Veloce
From the Forsaken Ruins short story:
"Mattias focused the drone cameras on the Blackbird, inspecting the massive gashes in its hull. Judging from the metallic carnage, he estimated that sections of at least 6 decks were now exposed directly to space. Somewhere beneath where he was sitting, hundreds of crewmembers were sealing off compartments, fighting electrical fires and desperately struggling to keep his ship's vital systems functioning. How many of them died because of this, he wondered. As the captain of the ship, he was sealed inside a pod made of an ultra-strong, Jovian-manufactured alloy and neurologically connected to the Blackbird's systems. Inside of it, so long as the ship was intact, the captain was immune from harm. It was the Jovians who had introduced this remarkable innovation, and it had changed the face of naval warfare forever.
Mattias began contemplating the Jovians and their technology. As spectacular as the pod was, it was also emblematic of the traits that defined the entire Jovian race: hyper-intelligent, but utterly and completely numb to human emotion. Modern day starships are massive and incomprehensibly complex. Before the pod, there were so many points of failure between a captain's decision and the execution of his orders. The ability to create a direct neurological connection between a human mind and a ship's systems reduced those points of failure to zero. Commanding a starship was now a natural extension of the mind's will. All a captain needed was to just think about what he wanted his ship to do, and it was done.
To Mattias, it was all so impersonal. Because of the technology, a captain could skipper numerous ships over the course of a lifetime without ever meeting a single crewmember from any of them. Mattias was one of the few who made an effort to meet at least some. It seemed like the least he could do in exchange for their unquestioning faith in his abilities, and their trust in him to keep them alive."
Now Mattias is a pod-pilot and a relatively modern one as well. The story lists common tasks a crewmember would peform.
Don't forget, CCP Prime Fiction a.k.a the chronicles and the stories are literally the word of god in this matter. What they say goes, as they've created the EVE universe so to speak.
Why don't people understand that?
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.05 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Karn Mithralia
Yeh, good post Nikolai.
Thank you. I think yours is very good as well.
Originally by: Svensaltofmining
Pod pilots have no crews in their ships, NPC ships are all crew controlled, thas about it really.
If you go through the literature it could go either way, but its been stated before tht this is correct and I really cba to dig it up.
You didn't read this thread.
You saw the title and clicked on it.
You might have read the original post, and even if you did, you didn't check the links to confirm what I wrote.
You then clicked "Reply to topic".
You then typed your response.
Next time, read the thread before you write something stupid.
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.01.05 03:27:00 -
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Edited by: Strikeclone on 05/01/2006 03:29:25
Edited by: Strikeclone on 05/01/2006 03:27:44
Originally by: J Valkor
http://www.eve-online.com/background/eggers/
Paragraph four would indicate otherwise.
Added link - Ductoris
As Nikolai correctly points out, and you would know if you had reserched a bit deeper, these early Caldari ships were experimental single man fighters that are the precursors to todays frigates. Bigger ships are supposed to have crew all be it a much reduced number of crew. This fact is supported by the wet grave story and possably some others (im re-reading them atm).
What we need to remember though is that all the background provided by "official" sources is guide material to kick start the RP in Eve. I persoanlly see nothing wrong in ppl generating their own plausable material as long as they are having fun and not being outrageous in the context of the game i think its is wrong that many people here are trying to force their version/spin on what they think your RP should be.
Strikeclone
"Peace through the procurement and application of superior firepower"
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2006.01.05 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Strikeclone
Edited by: Strikeclone on 05/01/2006 03:29:25
Edited by: Strikeclone on 05/01/2006 03:27:44
Originally by: J Valkor
http://www.eve-online.com/background/eggers/
Paragraph four would indicate otherwise.
Added link - Ductoris
As Nikolai correctly points out, and you would know if you had reserched a bit deeper, these early Caldari ships were experimental single man fighters that are the precursors to todays frigates. Bigger ships are supposed to have crew all be it a much reduced number of crew. This fact is supported by the wet grave story and possably some others (im re-reading them atm).
What we need to remember though is that all the background provided by "official" sources is guide material to kick start the RP in Eve. I persoanlly see nothing wrong in ppl generating their own plausable material as long as they are having fun and not being outrageous in the context of the game i think its is wrong that many people here are trying to force their version/spin on what they think your RP should be.
Read closely - it only points to the absence of a bridge, not the absence of an entire crew. The commands go neurally, not the rest of crew duties.
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2006.01.05 05:13:00 -
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I really can't believe this discussion has come up again, and even with all the prime fiction proof people still argue. Now I'm going to get a little nasty because this is a pet peeve of mine.
SHIPS HAVE CREWS.
It is a part of the official CCP lore as many have posted examples of. Trying to claim otherwise is simply willful ignorance.
For those of you playing the Roleplay card:
YOU DON'T WRITE THE PRIME FICTION
Part of roleplaying is that you are expected to roleplay within the world set forth by the game makers. What they say, both ingame and out of game, is law. If CCP says your ships have crews then your ships have crews. If you are a decent roleplayer, then you will INCORPORATE this information into your roleplay, not IGNORE it.
To summarize, if you claim that in your little gameworld your ship is flown by you alone, then you are not roleplaying. You are making **** up that DOES NOT EXIST in the game. In the Eve Universe where you play, the ships have crews. Deal with it. It's not a complicated concept to grasp here.
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.01.05 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: Strikeclone
Edited by: Strikeclone on 05/01/2006 03:29:25
Edited by: Strikeclone on 05/01/2006 03:27:44
Originally by: J Valkor
http://www.eve-online.com/background/eggers/
Paragraph four would indicate otherwise.
Added link - Ductoris
As Nikolai correctly points out, and you would know if you had reserched a bit deeper, these early Caldari ships were experimental single man fighters that are the precursors to todays frigates. Bigger ships are supposed to have crew all be it a much reduced number of crew. This fact is supported by the wet grave story and possably some others (im re-reading them atm).
What we need to remember though is that all the background provided by "official" sources is guide material to kick start the RP in Eve. I persoanlly see nothing wrong in ppl generating their own plausable material as long as they are having fun and not being outrageous in the context of the game i think its is wrong that many people here are trying to force their version/spin on what they think your RP should be.
Read closely - it only points to the absence of a bridge, not the absence of an entire crew. The commands go neurally, not the rest of crew duties.
ummm i think you we find that we are agreeing to the point that most ships have crews (if not all of them) 
Strikeclone
"Peace through the procurement and application of superior firepower"
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Dhannil
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Posted - 2006.01.05 07:34:00 -
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The pod pilot is just the pilot/captain of the ship. However with the techonology of the pod he does not need a 'bridge crew' like in the Navy / Star Trek models of how ships run.
However, these ships are HUGE, and if you notice most all ships have rows and rows of lights. This means that yes, most bigger ships have crews... for heck someone has to reload all that ammo of shove the drones out of the bays, or move stuff around from your ship's cargo bay to station hangars for you... being stuck sealed up in a pod is kind of limiting for all that.
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Sheriff Jones
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Posted - 2006.01.05 08:23:00 -
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Well, my crew s at the pleasure hub. They were kinda ticked off that i decided to try out mining.
So, effectively to raise morals and reduce "lag" in the ship systems, i gave my peeps a few days off. I'm just brushing up on my skills as a leader 
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.05 11:07:00 -
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Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 05/01/2006 11:07:36
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Well, my crew s at the pleasure hub. They were kinda ticked off that i decided to try out mining.]
You said "Let's do something that might NOT get you killed." And they said "God damnit, I hate this job! I'm gonna quit if we don't get some pleasure hub girls!" ???
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[04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
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Roba
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Posted - 2006.01.05 11:21:00 -
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In the info section of site they used to have ship stats.
Frigates had 0 crew members, except kestrel which for some reason had 3... i think.
Crusier had anywhere from 10s to 100s. Battleships had thousands. Average indy had 5 - 10.
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Sheriff Jones
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Posted - 2006.01.05 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 05/01/2006 11:07:36
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Well, my crew s at the pleasure hub. They were kinda ticked off that i decided to try out mining.]
You said "Let's do something that might NOT get you killed." And they said "God damnit, I hate this job! I'm gonna quit if we don't get some pleasure hub girls!" ???
Yeah, my crew is kinda hell-bound on fighting. Can't blame 'em really.
The main issue came from the laser/missile crew disbute. While the missile bay had some work to do with the occasional rats, the laser bay crew got ****ed off at mining lasers, especially with all the ore transfer and such an such. The missile crew decided it would be fun to put teddybears at the mining lasers before the crew woke up one day and all hell broke loose. The laser crew stuffed the teddies into the missile launchers and when a measely frigate came after my prophecy...well...you can imagine.
No harm was done as the frigate left, probably ****ing it's pants in laughter as the last teddies bot burned when they warped away, but the whole thing kinda kicked me in the butthocks and said "Come on, do something."
So, pleasure hub it is.
I don't think the issue comes from "not dying", but more of the, "we like to kill stuff" aspect.
My whole crew got some nifty clones so they don't mind dying. I guess it's the lack for the need of training or implants that makes them shrug at the whole death thing.
Only lost one ship to date though, so the crew is quite happy at the moment.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.05 11:27:00 -
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[04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
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Unknown Subject
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Posted - 2006.01.05 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Lately, I have seen more and more threads questioning and disputing and fighting the FACT that our ships have crews.
Multiple things in the Prime Fiction (which is OFFICIAL), such as Hands of a Killer, Forsaken Ruins, and The Jovian Wet Grave, state clearly that our ships have crews.
Please, please, please, just accept that we have crews. I feel like smashing my head against the wall until I give myself a concussion, just due to the obstinate stupidity that it takes to fight this long and hard against a simple fact, especially when I can't even understand why people find the idea of crews to be so objectionable.
I didn't want to invoke this, but I think I might have to.
Every time you say our ships don't have crews, God kills a kitten. Please, think of the kittens.
GET A LIFE! jesus christ...
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Erik Pathfinder
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Posted - 2006.01.05 12:08:00 -
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LOL @ Length of this thread
LOL @ people still sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling "thereisnocrew, thereisnocrew!!!" (so to speak)
Kudos on this thread, Nikolai, it's good to feel smarter than others every now and then, haha!
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.01.05 13:30:00 -
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Ships have crews, PF clearly states this, and since that's written in large part by devs. It's fact, cold hard fact. Now you can roleplay your way out of this by inventing some sort of crew rescue/cloning/teleporting/Ireallydon'tcare system. But denying there are crews contradicts PF ( BIIIGG rp nono ) and is just the stuborn trying to find a easy way out.
I just not let them die.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
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Zag Stormchild
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Posted - 2006.01.05 13:44:00 -
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In my own little world of mine, frigates are one man ships but I mean... come on, even a destroyer needs a crew or a least 1 or 2 guys working around the clock.
When you see those huge ships flying around, specially gallente, if they don't have a crew... why do they have so many windows lol.
I always wanted to be a captain and well my ship has crews and i'm the captain :P
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nails
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Posted - 2006.01.05 13:55:00 -
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Well the smallest ship in the game (shuttles) are the size of 747 Jets, probably bigger! You honestly think that your character can take care of gigantic ships like this all by yourself without any help? Who knows maybe someday they will start making it so you have to stock your ship with crew members, and the better the crew members the faster your repair times/navigation/engineering etc.. The reason why only you get to survive explosions in your pod is because you are the captain, it was your ship, and as far as most of us are concerned, our crew can gth while we fly off to safety muahahhaa.
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Zag Stormchild
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Posted - 2006.01.05 14:02:00 -
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I have a fine selection of exotic dancers, scientist, janitors and etc in my ship :D
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nails
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Posted - 2006.01.05 14:08:00 -
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mine is mostly filled with female nurses and naked bath girls.
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Filan
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Posted - 2006.01.05 15:09:00 -
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all my ships have escape pods, custom order job but it seems to work out well.
but im sure the Indy and even the Freighter have maybe 10 crew, just think of our biggest oil tanker on the seas today and they have very very few crew yet the ship is larger then a nimitz class carrier which has about 5k-6k crew.
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James Snowscoran
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Posted - 2006.01.05 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Filan
all my ships have escape pods, custom order job but it seems to work out well.
but im sure the Indy and even the Freighter have maybe 10 crew, just think of our biggest oil tanker on the seas today and they have very very few crew yet the ship is larger then a nimitz class carrier which has about 5k-6k crew.
Do you have any kind of idea about how much bigger the freighter is than our oil tankers? I can agree that it might require less crewmembers than combat ships of the same size, because huge sections are obviously devoted to cargo space, but even so you'd need dozens of mechanics to perform maintenance on the engines alone. Not to mention the poor, poor janitors. Imagine being tasked with keeping the interior of a freighter clean...
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Pinstripe Giamatti
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Posted - 2006.01.05 16:40:00 -
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My ships are all crewed by outrageously attractive women, whose top physical condition allows them to withstand the rigors of modern flight ops. I know this because I place them all on a rotating schedule wherein they are invited into the goo of my pod for hours at a time, while we collaboratively produce, um, more goo...
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Rychek
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Posted - 2006.01.05 18:17:00 -
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I bet we would only be on page 4 of this if we didn't keep having to restate ourselves for the people that didn't read any of the previous posts.
people...don't post unless you read everything.
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2006.01.05 19:13:00 -
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I don;t know about your ship, but in my ship I have a crew, all of them are female, serve me naked and are certified LA tens.
Life is good in space!
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.05 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Unknown Subject
GET A LIFE! jesus christ...
If you don't care, get out of my thread.
Originally by: Erik Pathfinder
LOL @ Length of this thread
I posted it before going to sleep and was stunned at its size when I came back...and I'm stunned that it just keeps growing.
Originally by: Erik Pathfinder
LOL @ people still sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling "thereisnocrew, thereisnocrew!!!" (so to speak)
The stupidity of some people is simply insurmountable.
Originally by: Erik Pathfinder
Kudos on this thread, Nikolai, it's good to feel smarter than others every now and then, haha!
Thanks Erik, and it's good to see you in her.
Originally by: nails
Well the smallest ship in the game (shuttles) are the size of 747 Jets, probably bigger! You honestly think that your character can take care of gigantic ships like this all by yourself without any help?
Actually shuttles and frigates can be piloted alone. But anything larger (destroyer, industrial, etc) requires a crew. Originally by: nails
Who knows maybe someday they will start making it so you have to stock your ship with crew members, and the better the crew members the faster your repair times/navigation/engineering etc..
It's planned. soon(tm)
Originally by: Pinstripe Giamatti
My ships are all crewed by outrageously attractive women, whose top physical condition allows them to withstand the rigors of modern flight ops. I know this because I place them all on a rotating schedule wherein they are invited into the goo of my pod for hours at a time, while we collaboratively produce, um, more goo...
That's dangerous. Some of your own "goo" might end up in your own mouth 
-------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
[04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
[07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108! |
DoctorDanny
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Posted - 2006.01.05 23:44:00 -
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I dont think our ships have crews. Be reasonable, the average life expectancy aboard an Exotic Dancers Club ship does not outweight the 'non-existant' salaries I pay my employees. You'd have to be a complete idiot to enlist in a ship piloted by yours truly.
Then again...the glory....the loot....
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.06 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: DoctorDanny
I dont think our ships have crews. [...] You'd have to be a complete idiot to enlist in a ship piloted by yours truly.
Did you not read ANY of this thread? Life is cheap in EVE. People die all the time.
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[04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
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Robet Oneagle
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Posted - 2006.01.06 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: Robet Oneagle on 06/01/2006 00:15:46
Originally by: DoctorDanny
I dont think our ships have crews.
The Devs disagree as revealed in the prime fiction. What you or anyone else believes is irrelevent.
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TFer Atvar
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Posted - 2006.01.06 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: James Snowscoran
Not to mention the poor, poor janitors. Imagine being tasked with keeping the interior of a freighter clean...
That's the easiest part of keeping a ship in space. Container of grain break open? Not a problem. Make sure everything's tied down or out of the compartment, clear it of crew, seal it up, and select "vent compartment" from your neural HUD.
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