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Fallout2man
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari I haven't the slightest idea why they removed it, I mean I can't imagine the gaming community has much sway in the Politburo...on the other hand, I'm a bit hazy as to why they wanted the law in the first place.
The ministry released studies in the past which were sort of propoghandaish saying gaming was as bad as a serious drug addiction. From the release I read the law was the usual attempt to "protect the people from harm" like so many other chinese laws are.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:18:00 -
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The problem is that there is nothing the players can do to do much more than put a dent in the problem of macrominers. Any solution must be created and implemented by the devs. This may consist of:
1. A change in game mechanics to make it much harder to effectively macro mine or farm.
2. A ban of Chinese IPs.
I doubt they'll do 2, but 1 really needs to get moving here. - Proud member of the [23].
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miss pie
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:19:00 -
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just restrict npc corps, they were intended to be used by nooby'players and not for peeps to hide in soooo lets restrict npc corps if you are in an npc corp, you can not: -fly a barge or fit more then 2 lasers on any other ship - insert more rules to make it so that not only scared miners and macro miners are hurt by this but also rat killing complex runners and other peeps that hide in npc corps
if we restrict npccorps to their original use... nooby's... then we be fine, will make it alot harder if we can war declare on them
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Fallout2man [The ministry released studies in the past which were sort of propoghandaish
Erm, isn't that the description of EVERYTHING the Chinese government says? ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
[04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw |
Zaldiri
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: Zaldiri Personally I think we should ban all western countries from eve, I mean most people who buy isk off ebay are from the west, so therefore most western people buy isk from ebay, ban all the western countries and you get rid of the market for farmed isk.
Okay so EVE has ZERO western playerbase, and loses all of the macrominers because they have no customers, so at this point the playerbase is...200 accounts? R.I.P, EVE.
Gah.... It was ment to be an ironic post demostrating how stupid banning 20% of the worlds population is, not a practical suggestion (BTW-I'm from the UK and have no connection with the far east at all)
Originally by: HippoKing
yeah, thatd fix it.
and then it will take at least a week for people like me (i'm UK btw) to work out how to log in anyway, because IP bans really do suck for stuff like this. and people who are making a living off it will be a LOT more dedicated to logging in than me
Which is another reason why banning 20% of the worlds population is a bad idea. They'll just work around it in about an hour, the only people that will be hurst are legitimate chinese players.
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Biggess Boobess
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Biggess Boobess on 03/01/2006 11:22:22 Nothing racist has been said. But statistics have been said, Really though, if there are so many more other countries macro mining, thenhow come I've never come across them, I have only ever spoken to chinese macro miners. Maybe I've just been lucky... but that's the facts from a real life point of view.
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Fallout2man
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Erm, isn't that the description of EVERYTHING the Chinese government says?
Yes but I like to indicate the varying degrees of propoghanda. :p
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Biggess Boobess Nothing racist has been said. But statistics have been, Really though, if there are so many more other countries macro mining, thenhow come I've never come across them, I have only ever spoken to chinese macro miners. Maybe I've just been lucky... but that's the facts from a real life point of view.
Go on ebay and look at the ISK auctions and their countries of origin.
They're from everywhere, not just China. - Proud member of the [23].
The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
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Tomas Nuerin
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Cardassius The best way to remove macromining is to NOT BUY ISK FROM EBAY!
Signed
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Biggess Boobess
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:24:00 -
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There are 2 problems... 1 is ebay selling... the other is the raping of ore belts by people that do not play eve.
1. is bad enough.
2. Kills the game for newer guys, and is basically just cheating. We really never had much of this 4 months ago. Now it's just got stupid.
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Martin Mckenna
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:24:00 -
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you cant do that dumbass. its only a handful of them that do that and i bet there is more british people that do it than chinese so back off.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Biggess Boobess There are 2 problems... 1 is ebay selling... the other is the raping of ore belts by people that do not play eve.
1. is bad enough.
2. Kills the game for newer guys, and is basically just cheating. We really never had much of this 4 months ago. Now it's just got stupid.
And guess which one leads to the other one
All major "ISK selling companies" get theirs from macro mining or farming. - Proud member of the [23].
The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:26:00 -
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Oh, and...
Propaghanda (noun): The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of pacifist Indian leaders. ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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borup
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:29:00 -
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there actually was a constructive solution to this problem elsewhere on this forum , cant remember where , but it had to do with when one mines to input random events like your laser is overheating please shut it down or it will eksplode or you have a fire in your cargo hull please put it out by returning to station , and if you did these things you would get a reward like some valuable ore or isk , if you where macro you wouldnt see these things happen and your ship would explode kaboom no more macro mining today m8
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Kerosene
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Kerosene on 03/01/2006 11:31:23 Hmm...
Well I still say that it would solve nothing for all the reasons mentioned above. Also, when the chinese server opens and miraculously all the macro miners don't disappear, who would be next to blame? Stop blaming people. Find a solution that doesn't involve internet genocide.
edit: Oh, I jump on these threads pretty damn quick because when the thread title effectively says 'LET'S BAN KEROSENE FROM EVE ONLINE!!'.. I tend to reply pretty quickly too. __
Originally by: Galaxian
I'd like to add that as a penalty for warping out, Chowdown recieved a /heal0 from the devs, and his ship promptly exploded.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: borup there actually was a constructive solution to this problem elsewhere on this forum , cant remember where , but it had to do with when one mines to input random events like your laser is overheating please shut it down or it will eksplode or you have a fire in your cargo hull please put it out by returning to station , and if you did these things you would get a reward like some valuable ore or isk , if you where macro you wouldnt see these things happen and your ship would explode kaboom no more macro mining today m8
Sometimes I fit a Miner II and five Cargo Hold Expanders to my Iteron Mk V, target a massive Veld asteroid, turn on the Miner II, and ignore it for an hour. It doesn't strip belts and it's not breaking any rules, but that kind of "feature" would kill my ship. ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kerosene edit: Oh, I jump on these threads pretty damn quick because when the thread title effectively says 'LET'S BAN KEROSENE FROM EVE ONLINE!!'.. I tend to reply pretty quickly too.
I think I can sympathize with that. ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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Toshiro Khan
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Toshiro Khan on 03/01/2006 11:37:30 I would like to make a Generalisation as well..
Can we ban everyone who mines in high sec space as their isk farmers.. more so if their using a mining barge. Can we ban all those who want the Chinese banned as their european isk farmers. and their just annoyed. And finally can we ban anyone who has an e-bay account.. after all its those that by isk and items from e-bay that are the reason we have isk farmers..
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:35:00 -
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Oh and Siren, since when do kidnappers give Forum Wh*ring Breaks? ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
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Jennai
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Jennai on 03/01/2006 11:36:41
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Biggess Boobess Nothing racist has been said. But statistics have been, Really though, if there are so many more other countries macro mining, thenhow come I've never come across them, I have only ever spoken to chinese macro miners. Maybe I've just been lucky... but that's the facts from a real life point of view.
Go on ebay and look at the ISK auctions and their countries of origin.
They're from everywhere, not just China.
they're not delivering a physical item so they can list their location on ebay as whatever they like.
every macro miner I've seen has been Chinese. in macrointel channel since RMR release, I saw ONE report of eastern European macro miners, and hundreds of Chinese.
CCP needs to do another mass purge of macro accounts because they apparently haven't banned any since September.
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Maestro Ulv
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Cardassius The best way to remove macromining is to NOT BUY ISK FROM EBAY! But the lazy rich bastard western players just DO! (I'm from europe btw)
Finally a decent reply!
As the guy says, farmers have nothing to sell if western players don't purchase. How about banning all American ip's instead? Surely that would take away the market buyers and leave the farmers with no-one to sell to?
http://phaze9.moonmanstudio.com/
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Sheriff Jones
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jennai Edited by: Jennai on 03/01/2006 11:36:41
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Biggess Boobess Nothing racist has been said. But statistics have been, Really though, if there are so many more other countries macro mining, thenhow come I've never come across them, I have only ever spoken to chinese macro miners. Maybe I've just been lucky... but that's the facts from a real life point of view.
Go on ebay and look at the ISK auctions and their countries of origin.
They're from everywhere, not just China.
they're not delivering a physical item so they can list their location on ebay as whatever they like.
every macro miner I've seen has been Chinese. in macrointel channel since RMR release, I saw ONE report of eastern European macro miners, and hundreds of Chinese.
CCP needs to do another mass purge of macro accounts because they apparently haven't banned any since September.
How do you know their chinese? Just cureious, don't flame the innocent!
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Biggess Boobess
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:38:00 -
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Easy, I normally ask "where are you from" they reply "China"
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Aldades
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:40:00 -
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Yes, it realy is getting bad these days. Goram for example, a system nearby the hq of our (low level) mining corp consists of 'pure' 1.0 belts of veldspar and scordite for example, some (most) belts don't even exist at all anymore for a couple of weeks at end.
I think the best idea would indeed to be restricting the npc starter corps, 14 days of game play or so, or the same limitations of the trial accounts etc... so they have to 'get out in the open' with all risks attached. Downside is that they will start comming up with 'realistic' names, and go hide in one or more 'local' corps then, and there are corps aroudn (no offense to those) that are big and can't control all their members to see if they participate or macro in short notice.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:42:00 -
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Like Cardassius and others have pointed out the problem is not the isk farmers, the isk farmers will remain as long as there is a demand, that is capitalism.
The problem is that people are buying the isk and items from them.
As for it being the chineese specifically that are the problem... talk about generalisating, I have played this game for a considerable part of the games lifetime (sadly not the entire live period and doubbly sadly not any of the beta versions) and like most of the people who read the forums, listened to the EvE radio interviews and so on I know that initially a portion of the pirate players did engage in E-bay selling of isk and gear, the odd thing is that the players that did so were stupid enough to A; state it themselves and B; do so even on an official forum such as this one.
Does that meen we should judge all pirates as isk sellers?
Naturally no, you can find bad apples in any apple basket and to be honest I doubt it would suprise anyone to find there are such players in the pirate comunity too. This however does not meen we can arbitrarily accuse all pirates of the same offence and use one pirates guilt as proof that all are guilty.
Thus if you have evidence that allowes you to come on here and point your finger at a whole countries people (largest population and strongest growing ecconomy in the world btw, I doubt CCP would ban them) then I hope you have ample evidence and thus I sugest that you contact CCP with this evidence and help CCP track down the players that deal with them.
If you are not willing to do that then sit down and shut up!
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Jennai
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Jennai on 03/01/2006 11:44:37
Originally by: Sheriff Jones How do you know their chinese? Just cureious, don't flame the innocent!
their ships/characters/jetcans have obscene names in Chinese, they spam you with Chinese characters after you do something to them, they totally flip out when you google up some Chinese insults and paste to them, etc.
I'm sure there's a fair number of legitimate Chinese players, but there's also a hell of a lot of macro miners.
I had several of them call me a traitor (in Chinese) after I killed their hauler and responded to their convos or local smacktalk in Chinese.
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Biggess Boobess
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:43:00 -
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We could turn this whole thing around and screm "OMFG how can you say that all isk buyers are wester"... when the statistics say they are.
Macrointel corp channel will tell you that 99% of all the macro miners they kill are statistically from China. It's just the way they play their games. I think it's unfair for the newer people or all of the players that actually like to earn their isk rather than sit in front of 20 pc's in a hauler watching the bots mine.
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Maestro Ulv
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Biggess Boobess Easy, I normally ask "where are you from" they reply "China"
Sherlock Holmes would have been proud of you...
Lets see, anyone from other countries that macros see's this crap and then later gets asked where they come from... Truth or blame someone else? I mean these chinese players are all such low life scum (please read sarcasm in that chinese people) that they are bound to tell the truth and not lie.. erm.
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Biggess Boobess
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:45:00 -
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It's not just about ebay though, if people are dumb enough to spend real life cash on a game (why??? isk is easy to make), then more fool them.... but when it messes up the game by making all the ore fields barren then it becomes a real problem. Anyhow cheating my macroing is not fair.
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Maestro Ulv
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Posted - 2006.01.03 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Biggess Boobess problem. Anyhow cheating my macroing is not fair.
Oh i agree!
But I also have the opinion that the poor sods from china are not to blame for wanting some money or food on the plate, and getting this by using easy methods that involve no pain.
I blame the buyers pure and simple. The farmers are only providing a means for western players to cheat. Who is worse? the guys earning a crust or the guy taking advantage of cheap labour to get ahead of the rest of us in game?
Its too easy to blame China.
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