| Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 .. 20 :: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |

JinSanJong
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
14
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 22:20:00 -
[1] - Quote
Just one giant doughnut of renter space!? Is this what eve has now become? There's something seriously wrong here. How can an alliance hold space and yet not live there and then rent it out? Surely the game is about gaining space, and keeping hold of it? The amount of nullsec thats now become rental space is just crazy,
OK OK, some might say, well we are getting more people into nullsec, we are allowing people that couldnt get into nullsec a chance to. OK we will charge them stupidly high prices but meh we dont want that space anyway. and herein lies the problem.
Why arent nullsec alliances exploiting the mining riches, the anomolies etc to make there isk like everyone else has to, instead of being lazy so and so's? Really they should be having mass mining ops, or large anomaly bashing ops instead of being carebears (which ironically they moan about high sec carebears) these are 10x worse. They wont do anything, they cry about their passive moon income being nerf because they simply cannot be bothered to go an actually make isk.
Is this really where eve has gone and going?
I mean yeah live in a region and have a few renters to make that extra income like some alliance do, but look at Northern Associates for instance (N3)
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates.
I mean what 10 regions or more just PURELY to rent. Surely it cant be just me that sees something wrong here. |

EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1221
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 22:25:00 -
[2] - Quote
I take it you've never heard of the term "outsourcing". |

Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
1128
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 22:28:00 -
[3] - Quote
The alliances that hold the sov have worked hard and often had to fight another alliance for that sov. As long as they own it, they should be allowed to use the space however they want, even if it means renting it out. It's just like a real estate business. The people selling a piece of property to you don't necessarily have to be using it (that's probably why they are selling/renting it out in the first place).
The alliance renting out their space makes money, and the renters are able to live in nullsec without being tied down to said alliances. They an move in and do what they need/want to do for as long as they can pay for it. It's a win-win for everyone.
If an alliance doesn't want to rent out their space, they don't have to. Simple. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |

Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
270
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 22:28:00 -
[4] - Quote
You are the first to point this out. Now that you bought attention to this issue, it will surely change in the near future.
|

Iszi
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
28
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 22:36:00 -
[5] - Quote
JinSanJong wrote:I mean yeah live in a region and have a few renters to make that extra income like some alliance do, but look at Northern Associates for instance (N3) http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates.I mean what 10 regions or more just PURELY to rent. Surely it cant be just me that sees something wrong here.
Nothing wrong at all; http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Goonswarm_Federation |

JinSanJong
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
14
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 22:54:00 -
[6] - Quote
the na. was just an example it wasnt purely aimed a them, im talking about the whole situation |

Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
154
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 22:54:00 -
[7] - Quote
"this is it for eve" ?
There's a whole ton of stuff in eve that isn't nullsec. Don't really care about the rest of your post. |

JinSanJong
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
14
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 22:58:00 -
[8] - Quote
Fredfredbug4 wrote:The alliances that hold the sov have worked hard and often had to fight another alliance for that sov. As long as they own it, they should be allowed to use the space however they want, even if it means renting it out. It's just like a real estate business. The people selling a piece of property to you don't necessarily have to be using it (that's probably why they are selling/renting it out in the first place).
The alliance renting out their space makes money, and the renters are able to live in nullsec without being tied down to said alliances. They an move in and do what they need/want to do for as long as they can pay for it. It's a win-win for everyone.
If an alliance doesn't want to rent out their space, they don't have to. Simple.
this is a game btw, just pointing that out. So shall we now put in the eve trailers. "Eve is no longer a sandbox, your game is controlled by others sorry, if you want to go into nullsec, just kiss someones ass, pay stupid amount of isk for even the worse systems, these are thew new microtransactions, oh but we still expect your monthly fee. Play on one server, but remember the players that have been playing for years have control of everything and you wont have the same level playing field as they did when only 3000 ppl ws online"
i mean lets be honest here...whilst we are at it.
|

JinSanJong
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
14
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 22:59:00 -
[9] - Quote
Bischopt wrote:"this is it for eve" ?
There's a whole ton of stuff in eve that isn't nullsec. Don't really care about the rest of your post.
not very good though is it.. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3508
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 23:01:00 -
[10] - Quote
Highsec NPC corp guy angry about nullsec stuff. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |

GreenSeed
663
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 23:02:00 -
[11] - Quote
this is clearly something that can be resolved by nerfing highsec, banning all the goons, removing offgrid boosting, nerfing incursions, shuffling around the moons, making PvP consensual, and giving titans their AoE DD again.
or just about any other idiotic suggestion thats trending on GD this week. |

JinSanJong
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
14
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 23:07:00 -
[12] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Highsec NPC corp guy angry about nullsec stuff.
TYpical goon making a fool of himself, nullsec npc guy angry about nullsec stuff, get it right
|

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
5894
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 23:12:00 -
[13] - Quote
What?!?!?! All of nullsec will be a big blue doughnut again?!?!?! Renters everywhere?!??!
I guess the weekly Herding Cats / Highsec Braveheart fleets can attack in any direction now.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
457
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 23:16:00 -
[14] - Quote
Well renting is a nice way to enjoy null without the drawbacks of having to deal with the politics of null and thier society of sorts.
That said, I heard someone on voice comms from a certain alliance wringing his hands at the prospect of killing Goon's renters as it will be unlikely fleets will be formed to defend them unlike say NCDOT. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |

Rengerel en Distel
1798
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 23:17:00 -
[15] - Quote
Damn you sandbox game, making people take the course that people throughout history have always taken! Next thing you know, people will only take part in fights they can win, there will be risk adverse people that run at any sign of conflict, and other people will whine about things they don't like.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
|

Harland White
New Eden Order Sev3rance
168
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 23:21:00 -
[16] - Quote
EVE is fine how it is. Why are people constantly wanting to "fix" something that isn't broken? By their fruit you will recognize them. |

Leigh Akiga
State War Academy Caldari State
94
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 23:21:00 -
[17] - Quote
Endless moongoo threads lead us to this... |

I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
567
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 23:24:00 -
[18] - Quote
I can imagine some of that rent is going into the RMT business. I mean, that is a lot of ISK to be pulling in. *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |

Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate Sicarius Draconis
127
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 23:25:00 -
[19] - Quote
Nobody is forcing you to rent nullspace. If you don't want to rent, form your own alliance and take it by force. IF you can.
TEST alt detected??? |

Leigh Akiga
State War Academy Caldari State
94
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 23:32:00 -
[20] - Quote
For years the only alliance-level income source in 0.0 has been moongoo and rent. I think its time to introduce a new treasure. In the real world we fight wars for oil. How about introducing naturally occuring fuel-streams (phenomenon) in 0.0
POS/jump fuel- that can be harvested much the same way as harvesting gas clouds. |

Silvetica Dian
Manson Family The Retirement Club
43
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 23:33:00 -
[21] - Quote
JinSanJong wrote:Just one giant doughnut of renter space!? Is this what eve has now become? There's something seriously wrong here. How can an alliance hold space and yet not live there and then rent it out? Surely the game is about gaining space, and keeping hold of it? The amount of nullsec thats now become rental space is just crazy, OK OK, some might say, well we are getting more people into nullsec, we are allowing people that couldnt get into nullsec a chance to. OK we will charge them stupidly high prices but meh we dont want that space anyway. and herein lies the problem. Why arent nullsec alliances exploiting the mining riches, the anomolies etc to make there isk like everyone else has to, instead of being lazy so and so's? Really they should be having mass mining ops, or large anomaly bashing ops instead of being carebears (which ironically they moan about high sec carebears) these are 10x worse. They wont do anything, they cry about their passive moon income being nerf because they simply cannot be bothered to go an actually make isk. Is this really where eve has gone and going? I mean yeah live in a region and have a few renters to make that extra income like some alliance do, but look at Northern Associates for instance (N3) http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates.I mean what 10 regions or more just PURELY to rent. Surely it cant be just me that sees something wrong here.
The most profitable business IRL has always been farming people. When it was called slavery there were uprisings and profits suffered. They tried indentured servants but that caused issues too. Finally they tried capitalism and amazingly even though via mortgages, insurance, banking, telecoms, power companies, supermarkets etc etc a ever greater amount of your productive life is spent enriching others people call it freedom. When you enslave whole countries via invasion you also get problems so puppet governments, 3rd world debt, and the IMF were created to replace colonialism. As in life so in EVE It is better to make other people farm ISK for you than to do it yourself. Welcome to the wonders of capitalism that isn't anything like feudalism/slavery. |

Leigh Akiga
State War Academy Caldari State
94
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 23:34:00 -
[22] - Quote
Actually people used to fight over and viciously guard their 10/10's too until the GREAT SANCTUM NERF. How about introducing a series of Super AnomalyGäó ~ valuable enough to make people want to control that space. |

Savnire Jacitu
The Void Has Eyes
166
|
Posted - 2013.08.27 23:35:00 -
[23] - Quote
You know what?!
LETS RISE UP AND TAKE DOWN THIS OPPRESSIVE HIERARCHY OF NULL SEC FAT CATS AND MAKE EV - ah **** it, I don't care anymore/too much work <corrupt> |

Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
|
Posted - 2013.08.28 00:45:00 -
[24] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Highsec NPC corp guy angry about nullsec stuff.
This is the intelligent posts we come to expect from goonpuds.
Go back to your area, surrounded by your buffer of alliances protecting your carebear pod.
Hide in your numbers cause you suck. |

Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
|
Posted - 2013.08.28 00:47:00 -
[25] - Quote
Rekon X wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Highsec NPC corp guy angry about nullsec stuff. This is the intelligent posts we come to expect from goonpuds. Go back to your area, surrounded by your buffer of alliances protecting your carebear pod. Hide in your numbers cause you suck.
You sound like you are mad about Goons.
|

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3508
|
Posted - 2013.08.28 00:54:00 -
[26] - Quote
Rekon X wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Highsec NPC corp guy angry about nullsec stuff. This is the intelligent posts we come to expect from goonpuds. Go back to your area, surrounded by your buffer of alliances protecting your carebear pod. Hide in your numbers cause you suck.
Where did your main live before we kicked you out?
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |

Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
|
Posted - 2013.08.28 01:09:00 -
[27] - Quote
Rhes wrote:Rekon X wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Highsec NPC corp guy angry about nullsec stuff. This is the intelligent posts we come to expect from goonpuds. Go back to your area, surrounded by your buffer of alliances protecting your carebear pod. Hide in your numbers cause you suck. You sound like you are mad about Goons.
This post says it all.
I have always wondered for years why any EvE player would join or even assist the CFC as by doing so they gain a reputation for incompetence and lack of intelligence. CFC only win by fighting 400 v 50 everyone in EvE knows that. CFC are fighting to gain all null sec moons. CFC leadership don't want to have good fights or fun content for its members or anyone else. They just want to spoon feed the members that its ok to fight 400 v 50 so that their personal isk increases. By helping the CFC you are literally destroying null sec for anyone who lives in it and most especially destroying it for the CFC members who will never know what it is to have a good fight, their future is sitting in 200 man gate camp on a high sec gate waiting several hours for a nube ship to jump in to null by accident. Anyone who doesn't realize that this is the future being fought for really is very stupid.
EvE players are meant to be more intelligent then people who play other games but clearly the very large majority who are either in the CFC or assisting them prove that in fact that although a small minority are in fact very intelligent, the majority have a much lower then average IQ.
Sad little goons. It really is pathetic. |

Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
|
Posted - 2013.08.28 01:12:00 -
[28] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Rekon X wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Highsec NPC corp guy angry about nullsec stuff. This is the intelligent posts we come to expect from goonpuds. Go back to your area, surrounded by your buffer of alliances protecting your carebear pod. Hide in your numbers cause you suck. Where did your main live before we kicked you out?
Ignorance proven. |

Elizabeth Aideron
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
133
|
Posted - 2013.08.28 01:49:00 -
[29] - Quote
Rekon X wrote:Rhes wrote:Rekon X wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Highsec NPC corp guy angry about nullsec stuff. This is the intelligent posts we come to expect from goonpuds. Go back to your area, surrounded by your buffer of alliances protecting your carebear pod. Hide in your numbers cause you suck. You sound like you are mad about Goons. This post says it all. I have always wondered for years why any EvE player would join or even assist the CFC as by doing so they gain a reputation for incompetence and lack of intelligence. CFC only win by fighting 400 v 50 everyone in EvE knows that. CFC are fighting to gain all null sec moons. CFC leadership don't want to have good fights or fun content for its members or anyone else. They just want to spoon feed the members that its ok to fight 400 v 50 so that their personal isk increases. By helping the CFC you are literally destroying null sec for anyone who lives in it and most especially destroying it for the CFC members who will never know what it is to have a good fight, their future is sitting in 200 man gate camp on a high sec gate waiting several hours for a nube ship to jump in to null by accident. Anyone who doesn't realize that this is the future being fought for really is very stupid. EvE players are meant to be more intelligent then people who play other games but clearly the very large majority who are either in the CFC or assisting them prove that in fact that although a small minority are in fact very intelligent, the majority have a much lower then average IQ. Sad little goons. It really is pathetic.
why don't you look up the size of test and n3 |

Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Tribal Band
1130
|
Posted - 2013.08.28 02:10:00 -
[30] - Quote
JinSanJong wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:The alliances that hold the sov have worked hard and often had to fight another alliance for that sov. As long as they own it, they should be allowed to use the space however they want, even if it means renting it out. It's just like a real estate business. The people selling a piece of property to you don't necessarily have to be using it (that's probably why they are selling/renting it out in the first place).
The alliance renting out their space makes money, and the renters are able to live in nullsec without being tied down to said alliances. They an move in and do what they need/want to do for as long as they can pay for it. It's a win-win for everyone.
If an alliance doesn't want to rent out their space, they don't have to. Simple. this is a game btw, just pointing that out. So shall we now put in the eve trailers. "Eve is no longer a sandbox, your game is controlled by others sorry, if you want to go into nullsec, just kiss someones ass, pay stupid amount of isk for even the worse systems, these are thew new microtransactions, oh but we still expect your monthly fee. Play on one server, but remember the players that have been playing for years have control of everything and you wont have the same level playing field as they did when only 3000 ppl ws online" i mean lets be honest here...whilst we are at it.
Yes this is a game. Thank you for pointing out something that is obvious and has little relevance to the topic at hand.
You are making it sound like CCP is forcing people who want to go to nullsec to have to rent space. This couldn't be further from the truth. Stop pretending that it is because it makes you look really dumb.
Not only that, if people are unhappy with the space they are renting or feel they are paying too much, there are plenty of other alliances to rent from. If an alliance wants to offer renting, they have to make sure their deal stacks up against that of other alliances, otherwise they have no business.
It appears to me you lack a basic understanding of not only how this game works, but how basic economics do. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |
| |
|
| Pages: [1] 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 .. 20 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |