I mean yeah live in a region and have a few renters to make that extra income like some alliance do, but look at Northern Associates for instance (N3)

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates.

I mean what 10 regions or more just PURELY to rent. Surely it cant be just me that sees something wrong here.

Nothing wrong at all; http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Goonswarm_Federation

The alliances that hold the sov have worked hard and often had to fight another alliance for that sov. As long as they own it, they should be allowed to use the space however they want, even if it means renting it out. It's just like a real estate business. The people selling a piece of property to you don't necessarily have to be using it (that's probably why they are selling/renting it out in the first place).

The alliance renting out their space makes money, and the renters are able to live in nullsec without being tied down to said alliances. They an move in and do what they need/want to do for as long as they can pay for it. It's a win-win for everyone.

If an alliance doesn't want to rent out their space, they don't have to. Simple.

"this is it for eve" ?

There's a whole ton of stuff in eve that isn't nullsec.
Don't really care about the rest of your post.

Highsec NPC corp guy angry about nullsec stuff.

Just one giant doughnut of renter space!? Is this what eve has now become?
There's something seriously wrong here. How can an alliance hold space and yet not live there and then rent it out? Surely the game is about gaining space, and keeping hold of it? The amount of nullsec thats now become rental space is just crazy,

OK OK, some might say, well we are getting more people into nullsec, we are allowing people that couldnt get into nullsec a chance to. OK we will charge them stupidly high prices but meh we dont want that space anyway. and herein lies the problem.

Why arent nullsec alliances exploiting the mining riches, the anomolies etc to make there isk like everyone else has to, instead of being lazy so and so's? Really they should be having mass mining ops, or large anomaly bashing ops instead of being carebears (which ironically they moan about high sec carebears) these are 10x worse. They wont do anything, they cry about their passive moon income being nerf because they simply cannot be bothered to go an actually make isk.

Is this really where eve has gone and going?

I mean yeah live in a region and have a few renters to make that extra income like some alliance do, but look at Northern Associates for instance (N3)

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates.

I mean what 10 regions or more just PURELY to rent. Surely it cant be just me that sees something wrong here.

Highsec NPC corp guy angry about nullsec stuff.

This is the intelligent posts we come to expect from goonpuds.

Go back to your area, surrounded by your buffer of alliances protecting your carebear pod.

Hide in your numbers cause you suck.

This is the intelligent posts we come to expect from goonpuds.

Go back to your area, surrounded by your buffer of alliances protecting your carebear pod.

Hide in your numbers cause you suck.

You sound like you are mad about Goons.

Where did your main live before we kicked you out?

This post says it all.

I have always wondered for years why any EvE player would join or even assist the CFC as by doing so they gain a reputation for incompetence and lack of intelligence. CFC only win by fighting 400 v 50 everyone in EvE knows that. CFC are fighting to gain all null sec moons. CFC leadership don't want to have good fights or fun content for its members or anyone else. They just want to spoon feed the members that its ok to fight 400 v 50 so that their personal isk increases. By helping the CFC you are literally destroying null sec for anyone who lives in it and most especially destroying it for the CFC members who will never know what it is to have a good fight, their future is sitting in 200 man gate camp on a high sec gate waiting several hours for a nube ship to jump in to null by accident. Anyone who doesn't realize that this is the future being fought for really is very stupid.

EvE players are meant to be more intelligent then people who play other games but clearly the very large majority who are either in the CFC or assisting them prove that in fact that although a small minority are in fact very intelligent, the majority have a much lower then average IQ.

Sad little goons. It really is pathetic.

this is a game btw, just pointing that out. So shall we now put in the eve trailers. "Eve is no longer a sandbox, your game is controlled by others sorry, if you want to go into nullsec, just kiss someones ass, pay stupid amount of isk for even the worse systems, these are thew new microtransactions, oh but we still expect your monthly fee. Play on one server, but remember the players that have been playing for years have control of everything and you wont have the same level playing field as they did when only 3000 ppl ws online"

i mean lets be honest here...whilst we are at it.

This post says it all.

I have always wondered for years why any EvE player would join or even assist the CFC as by doing so they gain a reputation for incompetence and lack of intelligence. CFC only win by fighting 400 v 50 everyone in EvE knows that. CFC are fighting to gain all null sec moons. CFC leadership don't want to have good fights or fun content for its members or anyone else. They just want to spoon feed the members that its ok to fight 400 v 50 so that their personal isk increases. By helping the CFC you are literally destroying null sec for anyone who lives in it and most especially destroying it for the CFC members who will never know what it is to have a good fight, their future is sitting in 200 man gate camp on a high sec gate waiting several hours for a nube ship to jump in to null by accident. Anyone who doesn't realize that this is the future being fought for really is very stupid.

EvE players are meant to be more intelligent then people who play other games but clearly the very large majority who are either in the CFC or assisting them prove that in fact that although a small minority are in fact very intelligent, the majority have a much lower then average IQ.

Sad little goons. It really is pathetic.

why don't you look up the size of test and n3

Why don't you post it. With links.


Clusterfuck Coalition - 31241 Members (comprised of the following alliances)

Goonswarm Federation - 10078 Members

RAZOR Alliance - 3879 Members

Fatal Ascension - 2834 Members

Tactical Narcotics Team - 1913 Members

Fidelas Constans - 3065 Members

SpaceMonkey's Alliance - 1761 Members

Executive Outcomes - 825 Members

Gentlemen's Agreement - 2567 Members

Get Off My Lawn - 1758 Members

Circle-Of-Two - 1545 Members

Li3 Federation - 1016 Members


Known Enemies

Northern Coalition - 2380 Members

Black Legion - 1128 Members

You copy/pasted that list even though there are entities missing from the "Known Enemies" section. I think you knew this and posted it anyway because you're so mad about Goons.

^^ You screwed my triple post

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This post says it all.

I have always wondered for years why any EvE player would join or even assist the CFC as by doing so they gain a reputation for incompetence and lack of intelligence. CFC only win by fighting 400 v 50 everyone in EvE knows that. CFC are fighting to gain all null sec moons. CFC leadership don't want to have good fights or fun content for its members or anyone else. They just want to spoon feed the members that its ok to fight 400 v 50 so that their personal isk increases. By helping the CFC you are literally destroying null sec for anyone who lives in it and most especially destroying it for the CFC members who will never know what it is to have a good fight, their future is sitting in 200 man gate camp on a high sec gate waiting several hours for a nube ship to jump in to null by accident. Anyone who doesn't realize that this is the future being fought for really is very stupid.

EvE players are meant to be more intelligent then people who play other games but clearly the very large majority who are either in the CFC or assisting them prove that in fact that although a small minority are in fact very intelligent, the majority have a much lower then average IQ.

Sad little goons. It really is pathetic.

it's so bad that we're even blobbing this thread

You copy/pasted that list even though there are entities missing from the "Known Enemies" section. I think you knew this and posted it anyway because you're so mad about Goons.

Maybe your feeling inadequate.

More adequate than your English teacher perhaps.

Is there some reason you don't consider TEST and N3 as our enemies? Maybe because that screws up your argument?

he's also using postwar numbers, which ignores the fact that we've sucked up former test corps like ENL-I

As I said 2 posts above the numbers are subject to change and they are all linked to dotlan.net.

But this confirms my previous post which was:

I have always wondered for years why any EvE player would join or even assist the CFC as by doing so they gain a reputation for incompetence and lack of intelligence. CFC only win by fighting 400 v 50 everyone in EvE knows that. CFC are fighting to gain all null sec moons. CFC leadership don't want to have good fights or fun content for its members or anyone else. They just want to spoon feed the members that its ok to fight 400 v 50 so that their personal isk increases. By helping the CFC you are literally destroying null sec for anyone who lives in it and most especially destroying it for the CFC members who will never know what it is to have a good fight, their future is sitting in 200 man gate camp on a high sec gate waiting several hours for a nube ship to jump in to null by accident. Anyone who doesn't realize that this is the future being fought for really is very stupid.

EvE players are meant to be more intelligent then people who play other games but clearly the very large majority who are either in the CFC or assisting them prove that in fact that although a small minority are in fact very intelligent, the majority have a much lower then average IQ.

EvE players are meant to be more intelligent then people who play other games

You copy/pasted that list even though there are entities missing from the "Known Enemies" section. I think you knew this and posted it anyway because you're so mad about Goons.

this is clearly something that can be resolved by nerfing highsec, banning all the goons, removing offgrid boosting, nerfing incursions, shuffling around the moons, making PvP consensual, and giving titans their AoE DD again.

or just about any other idiotic suggestion thats trending on GD this week.

Damn you sandbox game, making people take the course that people throughout history have always taken! Next thing you know, people will only take part in fights they can win, there will be risk adverse people that run at any sign of conflict, and other people will whine about things they don't like.

I have always wondered for years why any EvE player would join or even assist the CFC.

But the guy does KINDA have a point. I mean, he sucks at expressing it, and probably has no real idea what he's talking about... But the CFC, at this point in time, has absolutely no actual enemies that could come close to beating you in an war.

@Rhes: When people said that about BoB and DRF they were, in a sense, right. BoB wasn't brought down militarily, and DRF needed a civil war or two before falling. Northern Coalition proved to be a colossal on clay feet, true, but the two others were pretty much beaten by themselves.
Not that I dig into the "no enemies could come close to beating you in a war", Fountain showed something different..

That's my point--you don't necessarily have to match our numbers to beat us. We can fall apart from our own incompetence or by being outmetagamed. Saying that any entity in Eve is unbeatable is ridiculous when you look at the history.

None of this matters to the idiot who keeps insisting that NCdot and BL are our only enemies, however.

Why arent nullsec alliances exploiting the mining riches, the anomolies etc to make there isk like everyone else has to, instead of being lazy so and so's?

Just one giant doughnut of renter space!? Is this what eve has now become?
There's something seriously wrong here. How can an alliance hold space and yet not live there and then rent it out? Surely the game is about gaining space, and keeping hold of it? The amount of nullsec thats now become rental space is just crazy,

OK OK, some might say, well we are getting more people into nullsec, we are allowing people that couldnt get into nullsec a chance to. OK we will charge them stupidly high prices but meh we dont want that space anyway. and herein lies the problem.

Why arent nullsec alliances exploiting the mining riches, the anomolies etc to make there isk like everyone else has to, instead of being lazy so and so's? Really they should be having mass mining ops, or large anomaly bashing ops instead of being carebears (which ironically they moan about high sec carebears) these are 10x worse. They wont do anything, they cry about their passive moon income being nerf because they simply cannot be bothered to go an actually make isk.

Is this really where eve has gone and going?

I mean yeah live in a region and have a few renters to make that extra income like some alliance do, but look at Northern Associates for instance (N3)

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates.

I mean what 10 regions or more just PURELY to rent. Surely it cant be just me that sees something wrong here.

I could not agree more, nullsec alliances are the worst carebears of them all, I had more action flying L1 mission vs. going to sov space... they breed carebears out there with their renting space, spaces where there should be fights... they suck

Don't forget 'Removing Local,' whilst you're at it...

The issue is its just too easy for large alliances to claim a system and then abandon it. If someone actually wants to claim it and use it you can simply bridge to that system your not using, wipe out the smaller guys, then abandon it again. Locking up huge amounts of space with no ongoing effort.

Been exploring null sec lately, jump after jump of sov claimed systems, not a single person in any of them. Can't shoot anything, can't damage anything, most things are invulnerable, the rest are millions of hp's.

Stupid hand holding system. Its not wonder people are exploiting the weaknesses in the system to rent out huge amounts of space that they really couldn't hold if they had to defend and maintain it properly.

If they couldn't defend it one of the other null sec alliances would have taken it. They pay a maintenance fee on each system monthly. And you underestimate the logistics side of it. A lot of the systems are held to provide income and provide places for staging towers, jump bridges and things like that. You won't see people in every system all the time, but that doesn't mean they are unused.
I think the thing you miss here, which a lot of people seem to miss, is that you are a single individual. You will always have a disadvantage to a 10000 man alliance. If they balanced out the game so you could pose a threat to a 10000 man alliance, then the game would be WAY out of balance. It would then favor the individual over the team player, and destroy the main reason for EVE to be an MMO If you want to be an individual and do well, you need to move to a smaller class wormhole. That's what they were designed for. If you want to get involved in null sec, then you need to build up a force of a reasonable size to fight the other alliances.

Harry, any idea when you are likely to stop crying about null sec alliances?
10000 people can accomplish more than one on his own. That's just a fact you have to get used to. If they took away everything that any alliance had, they would still team up and crush everyone else. If you limited alliances to 100 people, then you could get coalitions of hundreds of alliances.
You can cry about it all you want, but MMOs are a social game. If you have no friends and refuse to learn how to work as a team then you fall behind. It's that simple.

Besides, they made wormhole space for smaller groups to play about with. Go there.

I mentioned it already, I did not join anybody out there because it just reduces the amount of enemies! you people search for 1 ship in a group of 10-20 thats pathetic! start to fight other corps out there! get out of your comfort zone!

The issue is its just too easy for large alliances to claim a system and then abandon it. If someone actually wants to claim it and use it you can simply bridge to that system your not using, wipe out the smaller guys, then abandon it again. Locking up huge amounts of space with no ongoing effort.

Every nullsec/highsec topic ever.

wrong, you don't play it at all, you just sit there and wait and make stupid comments on the forum because you bore yourself because of your gameplay

...we will charge them stupidly high price...
...Surely it cant be just me that sees something wrong here...

Second, I don't think you actually see what is going on underneath. Why does N3 have so many people willing to rent?

Because it's easier to live on your knees than stand up for yourself.

I did not join anybody out there because it just reduces the amount of enemies

this is a game btw, just pointing that out. So shall we now put in the eve trailers. "Eve is no longer a sandbox, your game is controlled by others sorry, if you want to go into nullsec, just kiss someones ass, pay stupid amount of isk for even the worse systems, these are thew new microtransactions, oh but we still expect your monthly fee. Play on one server, but remember the players that have been playing for years have control of everything and you wont have the same level playing field as they did when only 3000 ppl ws online"

i mean lets be honest here...whilst we are at it.

You're actually serious, aren't you, that you think everyone should just have open access to premium real estate from day one. But if you think sov was claimed without anyone having to fight for it, you'd be sorely mistaken. You want it? Go take it, or die trying. As a player that spent a few weeks in sov without renting in my first year, I'm telling you now it's not impossible for new players to get out there, it just takes work. Renting would just make it more accessible, not less.

But if you're just talking about access to nulsec on the whole, then there is plenty of NPC nul to settle in. You can't claim it as your own, but you can pretend it's your own and blow up anyone else that enters.

Sov is earned. Even if it's rented, it's still earned. If you want the rewards, you have to put in the work. That's what makes EVE a sandbox. If you want to claim your own space for your own sandcastle, you're going to have to fight for it, or pay for it.

So you believe that the player today as the EXACT same level playing field as players from 5-10 years ago? Because they don't FAR from it

So you believe that the player today as the EXACT same level playing field as players from 5-10 years ago? Because they don't FAR from it

At the end of the day it is all about passive income....that is why the goons biatches take all the systems.

It is simple get rid of ALL passive income form the game and all these territories would not be taken. It would cost them to fight to protect their territories, and then they would have to generate some sort of income in the meantime. The gewns have got this sussed, they don't even do the majority of fighting all their biatches do it for them, then they send in some equipment and roll in the profits laughing all the way to the bank.
At the moment they make far more isk then they spend so they can afford to replace entire lost fleets at the alliances expense. And because of the death mechanics when or if this fleet dies they just reship into more ships and roll out again creating a wave like effect.
Like the sea it will always win because it is never ending.....there will always be another wave behind the next one.

Cut out the passive income and it will stop these blobs repeatedly coming at you, because people would actually have to stop and play the game.

But this will never happen because CCP is so far up the gewns they can lick their tonsils. CCP doesn't run this game gewns do and the big alliances roll over and take whatever crap they are told to do. Until this changes this game will continue to stagnate.

CCP you want to know why your player base is relatively stable but rarely has a large jump in new members....It is simple you don't control the game, and the people that do make it their task in life to make the game unpleasant for newbies.
This game has so much potential but it is ruined by lack of control.

Harry, you should go into highsec and rally all the carebears, all of them, from all the realms and unite them in one conquest for glory. Unite them in great numbers, to rain down upon the nullsec coalitions and crush them with the weight of your ships!

What is that you say? Hypocrisy? Of course not! It is an entirely different matter if the highsec warbears unite, than a bunch of nullsec carebears with their sov, don't you agree Harry? Oh King of Highsec, protector of the 4 realms, enlighten us as to how real PVP looks. I think you said it yourself most poignantly:


You don't want friends, you don't want to unite anyone, you just want everyone to hate you and shoot at you. You claim it is injustice, only to garner... sympathy? I am not sure. More enemies to shoot? Rest assured Harry Forever, at this rate you will have your way. You will win, your way.

...So you believe that the player today as the EXACT same level playing field as players from 5-10 years ago? Because they don't FAR from it

true gamers don't go out there, because nothing is happening in nullsec... you all think its because they are carebears, but the reason is, there is no gameplay going on out there, you just dock if more enemies are coming, I have seen it numerous times, its your tacktic some people told me, you just dock to assure not more people are coming, you make the game boring in your SoV space on purpose, to assure you don't get a problem

high sec never will go there, they prefer playing a game, doing missions, incursions or trading... you nullbears are the problem, you always have been... you don't fight eachother and you don't fight others... no issue with your big fights every few month, but the day to day dynamic out there is just zero... the dynamic in highsec is ok, just check the map, because things are happening there

like I said, nullsec = retirement club

maybe you all wait for the attack orders from your leaders, but those are long gone who knows... yea I want you to hate me, to make the game at least a bit of exciting out there... 10-20 people camping the gate just for me, that was fun the other day... jump with your titan fleet on me, just do something! if you are scared to fight other corps and just hugg eachother in the CFC, no problem chase me instead, at least i get the kick I need

true gamers don't go out there, because nothing is happening in nullsec...

high sec never will go there, they prefer playing a game, doing missions, incursions or trading...

you nullbears are the problem, you always have been... you don't fight eachother and you don't fight others... no issue with your big fights every few month, but the day to day dynamic out there is just zero... the dynamic in highsec is ok, just check the map, because things are happening there

maybe you all wait for the attack orders from your leaders, but those are long gone who knows...

yea I want you to hate me, to make the game at least a bit exciting out there... 10-20 people camping the gate just for me, that was fun the other day...

"Level playing field". Is that code for fair?

What one man Corp do you belong to that holds sovereignty?

What's wrong with renting? it means a ton of people are active, and thus targets.
There won't be a "big blue donut" for long because all power and prosperity is relative.

Ah right so your saying people who pay the same subscription shouldn't get the same chances and opportunities?

Ah right so your saying people who pay the same subscription shouldn't get the same chances and opportunities?
I guess that's why we have droves of new players staying in the game.. Oh wait

I guess that the selfish attitude we come to expect

Ah right so your saying people who pay the same subscription shouldn't get the same chances and opportunities?
I guess that's why we have droves of new players staying in the game.. Oh wait

I guess that the selfish attitude we come to expect

Ah right so your saying people who pay the same subscription shouldn't get the same chances and opportunities?
I guess that's why we have droves of new players staying in the game.. Oh wait

I guess that the selfish attitude we come to expect

...So you believe that the player today as the EXACT same level playing field as players from 5-10 years ago? Because they don't FAR from it

The fee is negligible otherwise all those systems would not be locked in sov. You don't have to defend it the way defense normally works. You get an email and a whole lot of time to face stomp anyone with your alliance regardless of how far away it is. A roaming gang cant come in to your empty system you abandoned and damage anything because the game mechanics prevent it. No need to have a local defense force. No effort. Crap system.

Also what do you mean if they balance out the game so one person can damage a 10000 man alliance? Are you saying a 10000 man alliance needs to have the server protect its assets from one person. If 10000 people cant defend their assets from one person then they shouldn't have assets.

This is my only character. You can see that I am not in a one-man corp.
I find it ironic that a renter would challenge me to tell him what I have sovereignty over. I have sovereignty over myself. I think that's more than you can say.

Justify it however you want, but we can all see pretty clearly what is happening and why. Renters are greedy for space wealth and are willing to surrender their dignity to get at it. It's a lot easier to pay an overlord to occupy your space for you than to fight for it yourself. If the overlord had any respect for his renters, he'd make them members of his corp or alliance. If the renters had any self-respect, there are many other options than paying an overlord half their lunch money to let them eat in peace. The saddest part is that you don't even get to eat in peace, since anyone can still come and camp your system.

Renters are basically slaves, and by choice.

thats the main problem you guys just teamed up with everybody, there is nobody to crush anymore, thats the reason nullsec is so ******* boring, goto facebook there you can be cool with your 10000 friends, for this game that habbit just sucks and it is inappropriate! I mentioned it already, I did not join anybody out there because it just reduces the amount of enemies! you people search for 1 ship in a group of 10-20 thats pathetic! start to fight other corps out there! get out of your comfort zone!

the day to day PvP is **** in Sov space, you might have your big fights once a year who knows, but the day to day gameplay is lacking because you could not handle the excitment!

Harry, do you actually log into EVE? There's at least 3 wars going on right now in different section of nullsec. TEST are redeploying to start hassling CFC, CFC are deployed to delve, Tribal band an -A- are currently fighting, 401k are redeploying after being crushed by BL, IE are hitting razor, PL are heading to delve, the list goes on.

You are an absolute moron if you think everyone in null is just ship spinning. Just because you go to an empty system doesn't mean that sov space is empty.

Justify it however you want, but we can all see pretty clearly what is happening and why. Renters are greedy for space wealth and are willing to surrender their dignity to get at it. It's a lot easier to pay an overlord to occupy your space for you than to fight for it yourself. If the overlord had any respect for his renters, he'd make them members of his corp or alliance. If the renters had any self-respect, there are many other options than paying an overlord half their lunch money to let them eat in peace. The saddest part is that you don't even get to eat in peace, since anyone can still come and camp your system.

Renters are basically slaves, and by choice.

Since you don't know me... how did you come to that conclusion?

Since you have no experience in a 0.0 corp... how do you know this?

Do you surrender your dignity when you go to work? Pay half your lunch money in taxes? Allow your country's military to protect your borders?

Do you eat in peace knowing that at any moment someone can kick down your door and take your stuff? And all you can reasonably expect is for the police to show up afterwards?

This is my only character. You can see that I am not in a one-man corp.
I find it ironic that a renter would challenge me to tell him what I have sovereignty over. I have sovereignty over myself. I think that's more than you can say.

The first corp I ever joined was a 0.0 corp, and a renter corp at that, although I didn't realize what that meant until right before I left.

You're a space serf. There aren't many dots to connect.

The first corp I ever joined was a 0.0 corp, and a renter corp at that, although I didn't realize what that meant until right before I left.

Endless moongoo threads lead us to this...

...

...Side note though. Renting is....

yes thats like it is, the game is played in highsec, check the map, kills the last hour, check it whenever you want, only in highsec something is going on, nullsec is dead, 1-2 ships destroyed per hour spread over 20 systems

better CCP hands over the scepter fast

Do you surrender your dignity when you go to work? Pay half your lunch money in taxes? Allow your country's military to protect your borders?

Do you eat in peace knowing that at any moment someone can kick down your door and take your stuff? And all you can reasonably expect is for the police to show up afterwards?

yes thats like it is, the game is played in highsec, check the map, kills the last hour, check it whenever you want, only in highsec something is going on, nullsec is dead, 1-2 ships destroyed per hour spread over 20 systems

players who want some action and want something to happen are in highsec, nullsec is just about grinding up ISK and having a fight once a year

I was not talkinga bout EC_P8R in my other post however it is boring, campers are dying there, because no ships jump through, maybe we just have a different opinion on excitement, just play another game once in a while but don't get a heart attack because of all the things going on...

I think there are too many people dictating the game who are just too slow phased, a new breed of younger people need to take over to bring some action, CCP better hands over the scepter fast

Is internet spaceships a job?
If you don't pay the government, they put you in a cage, and if you don't get your ass in that cage, they'll murder you. Is there some analog in that to internet spaceships?
I don't "allow" my country's military to do anything. They don't ask. In fact, before, during, or shortly after trying to stop them from doing . . . anything . . . they would probably blow my ass up. They have real spaceships. I do try to exert a measure of control over them by voting. What does this have to do with internet spaceships?

I do actually eat in peace knowing someone can kick my front door in at any moment. Them taking my "stuff" is the least of my worries. My objective in such a scenario is to live long enough to even CALL the police. I'm still wondering what this all has to do with indentured servitude in a massively multiplayer online roleplaying internet spaceships game.

You can't always choose your circumstances in real life. You can choose to be free in EVE or you can choose to be a sycophant or even a slave. See the difference?

You can't always choose your circumstances in real life. You can choose to be free in EVE or you can choose to be a sycophant or even a slave. See the difference?

Is internet spaceships a job?
If you don't pay the government, they put you in a cage, and if you don't get your ass in that cage, they'll murder you. Is there some analog in that to internet spaceships?
I don't "allow" my country's military to do anything. They don't ask. In fact, before, during, or shortly after trying to stop them from doing . . . anything . . . they would probably blow my ass up. They have real spaceships. I do try to exert a measure of control over them by voting. What does this have to do with internet spaceships?

I do actually eat in peace knowing someone can kick my front door in at any moment. Them taking my "stuff" is the least of my worries. My objective in such a scenario is to live long enough to even CALL the police. I'm still wondering what this all has to do with indentured servitude in a massively multiplayer online roleplaying internet spaceships game.

You can't always choose your circumstances in real life. You can choose to be free in EVE or you can choose to be a sycophant or even a slave. See the difference?

You copy/pasted that list even though there are entities missing from the "Known Enemies" section. I think you knew this and posted it anyway because you're so mad about Goons.

Why? I pay nothing directly for being here, although my PI s taxed... at rates lower than Highsec.

Not all Corp are the same, so what did you realize?

Oh and again I point out that you state this is your only char and it's never left an NPC corp, so STFU about things you don't understand nubbin.

Or you could grow up and realise you aren't the best in the world at everything and join a community that allows you to delegate the things you aren't so good at to people who specialise in them.

If you don't want the comparison to be made, then don't make it yourself.

Harry, do you actually log into EVE? There's at least 3 wars going on right now in different section of nullsec. TEST are redeploying to start hassling CFC, CFC are deployed to delve, Tribal band an -A- are currently fighting, 401k are redeploying after being crushed by BL, IE are hitting razor, PL are heading to delve, the list goes on.

You are an absolute moron if you think everyone in null is just ship spinning. Just because you go to an empty system doesn't mean that sov space is empty.

I have no problem with you making such comparisons. I just thought that in that instance, the comparisons you made weren't very good.

****, I have seen this one kill yesterday some 70 jumps away from my current location, must have been you guys hot dropping on an ibis... I should have gone there... you are right, its me, I need to try harder to find the fights

Pseudo Intellectual claptrap

Ignorance proven.

So has this turned into another "Waah, the CFC blobs!" thread? Everyone tries to field superior numbers. CFC succeeds at that more consistently. Get over it.

You're right, I have exactly zero idea why random people hate us for no reason. Please feel free to explain this.

Did you mean to say "surrender your identity and personal sovereignty to the leaders of the group in exchange for a limited increase in resources and abilities"?

I don't have to be the best at everything. I just have to be good enough to get the job done, and striving to get better is one of the hallmarks of gaming. But, this isn't a game; is it?

"Look to the group.", "Don't shut yourself off from the group.", "The group has answers.", "Trust the people in your group." . . . you're starting to sound like a cult leader. That would certainly explain a lot about why the Goons are so unified and motivated.

You're right, the fact that I was born in the U.S. totally ruined my chances of being the King of Spain. That's not a level playing field!!!

Lol your confusing/comparing RL with a fantasy space game. You need to get out more

Lol your confusing/comparing RL with a fantasy space game. You need to get out more

Well, that's what we call a joke. It's a way of pointing out the absurdity of your statement.

I actually am the King of Spain, which makes it even funnier.

I'll hold his hand... while you grab his rings and watch

Of course you don't. Because they don't support your argument. Just as I don't think your comparisons to slavery and indentured servitude are very good.



I'll help.

He's a liar, Lucas.

You're welcome.

0/ Juan Carlos, please rein in your foreign minister

I'll hold his hand... while you grab his rings and watch

Of course you don't. Because they don't support your argument. Just as I don't think your comparisons to slavery and indentured servitude are very good.

He's a liar, Lucas.

People are bad at diplomacy & making friends, so the correct course of action is for CCP to level the playing field for those that have bad people skills.

HA! You want to watch him grab his ring. love it.

Welcome to the wonders of capitalism that isn't anything like feudalism/slavery.

Except its not a limited increase, its a significant increase in some areas and an exponential increase in others. And you don't have to surrender any of your identity (Also what the **** is personal sovereignty? Is this you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfVbiefMdNU).

No, you don't have to be the best at everything but your refusal to outsource tasks you aren't good at removes your right to complain about them. I have no idea how my car works but if it broke I'd either find a friend who could fix it or pay someone to do it. I wouldn't sit around complaining that I can't go places as fast as other people.

Its generally called a society or a community.

It's not complicated. People like being on the winning side.

that or you're upset that people who don't have a crippling lack of social graces have friends

Why THE **** would I lie about a video game to a total stranger? Try again.

You could also pick up a book or go online and read or even take a class at your local college or vocational school and learn to fix the car yourself. What some of us are sitting around complaining about EVE Online is that there are virtually no circumstances under which we could fix the car ourselves.

Just one giant doughnut of renter space!? Is this what eve has now become?
There's something seriously wrong here. How can an alliance hold space and yet not live there and then rent it out? Surely the game is about gaining space, and keeping hold of it? The amount of nullsec thats now become rental space is just crazy,

OK OK, some might say, well we are getting more people into nullsec, we are allowing people that couldnt get into nullsec a chance to. OK we will charge them stupidly high prices but meh we dont want that space anyway. and herein lies the problem.

Why arent nullsec alliances exploiting the mining riches, the anomolies etc to make there isk like everyone else has to, instead of being lazy so and so's? Really they should be having mass mining ops, or large anomaly bashing ops instead of being carebears (which ironically they moan about high sec carebears) these are 10x worse. They wont do anything, they cry about their passive moon income being nerf because they simply cannot be bothered to go an actually make isk.

Is this really where eve has gone and going?

I mean yeah live in a region and have a few renters to make that extra income like some alliance do, but look at Northern Associates for instance (N3)

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates.

I mean what 10 regions or more just PURELY to rent. Surely it cant be just me that sees something wrong here.

You could also pick up a book or go online and read or even take a class at your local college or vocational school and learn to fix the car yourself. What some of us are sitting around complaining about EVE Online is that there are virtually no circumstances under which we could fix the car ourselves.

The most profitable business IRL has always been farming people.
When it was called slavery there were uprisings and profits suffered.
They tried indentured servants but that caused issues too.
Finally they tried capitalism and amazingly even though via mortgages, insurance, banking, telecoms, power companies, supermarkets etc etc a ever greater amount of your productive life is spent enriching others people call it freedom.
When you enslave whole countries via invasion you also get problems so puppet governments, 3rd world debt, and the IMF were created to replace colonialism.
As in life so in EVE
It is better to make other people farm ISK for you than to do it yourself.
Welcome to the wonders of capitalism that isn't anything like feudalism/slavery.

It's really easy to tell when someone has never left hi-sec.

Threads "nerf high sec force them to null" incoming SoonGäó




You forgot the warp stabs, always more warp stabs

It doesn't really matter what hands there are between you and your overlord. You are supporting the entity that is keeping you from exercising sovereignty in that space. If you are doing that willingly, willfully, then . . . what would you say that makes you?

I realized that man is something of a prisoner of his own inner nature, no matter the milieu..

Cor there's a lot of bickering in this thread.

Love it.

Lets check off some boxes for a "Good ol'Forum Drama"

[X] Bad guys cited
[X] Good guys cited
[X] White knights that have no skin in the game pipping up for the little guys
[X] Made up on the spot facts
[X] Facts and large numbers from reputable sources cited
[X] Guys that are so deep up the bum of the bad guys, they breath fresh air telling others to 'Deal with it'
[X] No sign of solution
[ ] Comedy
[X] Explosions
[ ] Car chases
[ ] Hotties
[ ] Visited by E-famous personalities

This thread lacks some of the finer points needed so not a 9/10 but a very high 7

Cor there's a lot of bickering in this thread.

Love it.

Lets check off some boxes for a "Good ol'Forum Drama"

[X] Bad guys cited
[X] Good guys cited
[X] White knights that have no skin in the game pipping up for the little guys
[X] Made up on the spot facts
[X] Facts and large numbers from reputable sources cited
[X] Guys that are so deep up the bum of the bad guys, they breath fresh air telling others to 'Deal with it'
[X] No sign of solution
[x] Comedy
[X] Explosions
[x] Car chases
[x] Hotties
[x] Visited by E-famous personalities

This thread lacks some of the finer points needed so not a 9/10 but a very high 7

you could team up, just checked Maximillians Scorpion fitting, that he lost, pathetic... real pros are on the start here

Blah blah blah...whole lot of crankiness in here.

Anyways, I tell you what; y'all about to witness the crime of the century. I can just smell it coming. Goons are good for the long con; they've certainly done it before.

See, the Goons are gonna let those "dirty pubbies" rent out some space. They're going to let them walk in, make their nests, get all comfortable. Move in assets, set up POSes, the works.

Then, when the tension is just too great, when those Goon trigger fingers are just too itchy...*bam*...it's gonna be like the gymnasium scene from Carrie. The gates will be slammed shut by bubbles and the carnage will begin. The Goons will swoop in like hungry hawks and start ripping all those juicy miners and ratters to pieces. Blood and guts and carebear bits all over the place.

It'll be something to see, for sure. I can almost hear the outraged forum posts from here.

The issue is its just too easy for large alliances to claim a system and then abandon it. If someone actually wants to claim it and use it you can simply bridge to that system your not using, wipe out the smaller guys, then abandon it again. Locking up huge amounts of space with no ongoing effort.

Been exploring null sec lately, jump after jump of sov claimed systems, not a single person in any of them. Can't shoot anything, can't damage anything, most things are invulnerable, the rest are millions of hp's.

Stupid hand holding system. Its not wonder people are exploiting the weaknesses in the system to rent out huge amounts of space that they really couldn't hold if they had to defend and maintain it properly.

Which would you rather do, organise huge mining ops, fight over anoms and run missions OR let other people do that and then give you chunks of isk instead.

The second sounds way easier and if you've waged a war and are only interested in fighting wars then the second option sounds a lot more palatable too.

You mean The ECM Scorp? Seems fine to me.
Or is it that he can't possibly be a pro because he lost a ship? Like pros must never lose a ship to anything?

You fit dual warp core stabs to covert ops Harry. You are truly one of the worst EVE players in history, so let's not be talking about other peoples fits.

who told you i would fit warp stabs to a covert ops, every line you read you just misinterpret, this is so funny, but hey just try again :D

Nobody is forcing you to rent nullspace. If you don't want to rent, form your own alliance and take it by force. IF you can.

TEST alt detected???

I have always wondered for years why any EvE player would join or even assist the CFC as by doing so they gain a reputation for incompetence and lack of intelligence. CFC only win by fighting 400 v 50 everyone in EvE knows that. CFC are fighting to gain all null sec moons. CFC leadership don't want to have good fights or fun content for its members or anyone else. They just want to spoon feed the members that its ok to fight 400 v 50 so that their personal isk increases. By helping the CFC you are literally destroying null sec for anyone who lives in it and most especially destroying it for the CFC members who will never know what it is to have a good fight, their future is sitting in 200 man gate camp on a high sec gate waiting several hours for a nube ship to jump in to null by accident. Anyone who doesn't realize that this is the future being fought for really is very stupid.

EvE players are meant to be more intelligent then people who play other games but clearly the very large majority who are either in the CFC or assisting them prove that in fact that although a small minority are in fact very intelligent, the majority have a much lower then average IQ.

your killboard does

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/stats
Seems there's still thousands of kill happening across 0.0

And nobody will be handing you anything. nobody wants you here. Not even CCP.

Oh.. and Keep your hands off my scepter.

Indeed it does, unfortunately forum rules prevent me from posting killboard links outside of C&P, but just for evidence the eve-kill id is 19281780

Poor Harry...this will give us something to laugh about in our intel channels the next time he tries to fly through our space.

The alliances that hold the sov have worked hard and often had to fight another alliance for that sov. As long as they own it, they should be allowed to use the space however they want, even if it means renting it out. It's just like a real estate business. The people selling a piece of property to you don't necessarily have to be using it (that's probably why they are selling/renting it out in the first place).

The alliance renting out their space makes money, and the renters are able to live in nullsec without being tied down to said alliances. They an move in and do what they need/want to do for as long as they can pay for it. It's a win-win for everyone.

If an alliance doesn't want to rent out their space, they don't have to. Simple.

CFC for example is too powerful and other coalitions refuse to fight them full scale.

Poor Harry...this will give us something to laugh about in our intel channels the next time he tries to fly through our space.

How so? The same was said about Band of Brothers, they were hugely powerful and wielded that power mercilessly. Nowadays they're a dead alliance, because someone did fight them on a huge scale, both in and out of game. That someone was Goonswarm and friends, the current nullsec giants.

look in the mirror, even more fun for you guaranteed

That's not entirely accurate.

Once there was a snail who was tired of being slow. He went out and bought a really fast sports car and had the dealer paint a big 'S' on each side of it. He loaded it with hotties and grabbed Chribba and would get into car chases!

Whenever someone saw him zooming past in his new car, they would say, "Hey, look at that S-car go!"


You are welcome.

"Worked hard". I think owning 210 systems and renting ALL of them out is barely any effort especially if no one attempts to take the system. It's effortless ISK being paid to an alliance, if anyone tries to take any of the systems blob them to death. CFC for example is too powerful and other coalitions refuse to fight them full scale.

Strictly speaking he absolutely is being forced to rent nullspace, the economic realities of nullspace have created this reality.
Now that moons can't pay the PvP alliances bills, the main value of nullsec space is PvE resources now ergo space feudalism.



Because words like "skill", and "honor" divorced from actual tangible -results- are utterly meaningless? There are no moral victories only real victories and real defeats.
Why aren't you smart enough to realize that simple fact?

Again, someone who has never left Hi-sec trying to talk about nullsec when they don't even know the basic mechanics of sov.

Think of it like mining an asteroid that needs 300 people to mine and still takes an hour to mine. Only all 300 of you need to mine it three times to get anything out of it, and you can only mine it once every 2 days. Then consider the fact that there are 300 other people that don't want you to mine it.

Then factor it in the fact you need to do this whole several times to take a system, dozens of times to take a constellation, and hundreds of times to take a region.

Do you see how it's hard work now? Taking and holding sov isn't as simple as putting a flag down.

OK, BoB are dead, they were taken apart by Goonswarm and friends, with a little help from a director level defector within BoB. The whole alliance woke up one morning to find someone had pressed the big red button marked "do not touch" and disbanded it. For once the big red button pusher wasn't CCP Tuxford, satisfied?

I think you're missing the point.

he's just killmailwhoring since he started

The point is that every GÇ£impossible large and unbeatableGÇ¥ corp/alliance/coalition in the history of the game has been both beaten and reduced to small numbers.

Just one giant doughnut of renter space!? Is this what eve has now become?
There's something seriously wrong here. How can an alliance hold space and yet not live there and then rent it out? Surely the game is about gaining space, and keeping hold of it? The amount of nullsec thats now become rental space is just crazy,

OK OK, some might say, well we are getting more people into nullsec, we are allowing people that couldnt get into nullsec a chance to. OK we will charge them stupidly high prices but meh we dont want that space anyway. and herein lies the problem.

Why arent nullsec alliances exploiting the mining riches, the anomolies etc to make there isk like everyone else has to, instead of being lazy so and so's? Really they should be having mass mining ops, or large anomaly bashing ops instead of being carebears (which ironically they moan about high sec carebears) these are 10x worse. They wont do anything, they cry about their passive moon income being nerf because they simply cannot be bothered to go an actually make isk.

Is this really where eve has gone and going?

I mean yeah live in a region and have a few renters to make that extra income like some alliance do, but look at Northern Associates for instance (N3)

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Northern_Associates.

I mean what 10 regions or more just PURELY to rent. Surely it cant be just me that sees something wrong here.

In spite of your obsession with nullsec you have zero idea how it actually works. Keep flying through in your warp stab fitted bombers, though. You'll still be a clueless pubbie but you'll provide us with some entertainment.

The point is that every GÇ£impossible large and unbeatableGÇ¥ corp/alliance/coalition in the history of the game has been both beaten and reduced to small numbers.

you are the worst pilot out there until now, however, you are in the right alliance, 10.000 bad pilots might be able to kill a good one... good job

So far: Two?
And the second has learnt from the mistakes of the first.