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![Morrigan LeSante Morrigan LeSante](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1840324763/portrait?size=64)
Morrigan LeSante
The Lost and Forgotten Troopers
357
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Posted - 2013.09.05 19:50:00 -
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Not that I would but I think one of the more resilient birds out there would be a damnation. |
![Zane Lowe Zane Lowe](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1129247080/portrait?size=64)
Zane Lowe
Aliastra Gallente Federation
100
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Posted - 2013.09.05 20:07:00 -
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I haul expensive low-volume stuff in my proteus. 430k EHP totally passive tanked, which is usually good for hauling a bill or two afk. If I need to fly something really expensive, I switch to a more active tank and bring along a legion booster, bringing me up to ~750k EHP. Seems to work well. |
![Droidster Droidster](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1161122284/portrait?size=64)
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2013.09.07 01:01:00 -
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Zane Lowe wrote:I haul expensive low-volume stuff in my proteus. 430k EHP totally passive tanked, which is usually good for hauling a bill or two afk. If I need to fly something really expensive, I switch to a more active tank and bring along a legion booster, bringing me up to ~750k EHP. Seems to work well.
How are you getting to 430k ? I saw this 400k fitting, but this is with implants, heat (not possible afk), fleet boost and LARGE trimarks. I don't think you can fit large trimarks to cruisers anymore, or at least my EFT will not allow it:
L5 Stats with Implants, Fleet Booster, and Heat: DPS - 606 (568 w/out heat) EHP - 457K (348K w/out heat) Speed - 506 m/s Align - 7.1s Cap - 56% w/out nos Ammo - Gallente Antimatter M Drones - Oger II x2, Hammerhead x2, Hobgoblin x1
EFT:
[Proteus, PVP 1] Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Dark Blood Warp Scrambler Domination Stasis Webifier
Gallente Navy Heavy Neutron Blaster, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Gallente Navy Heavy Neutron Blaster, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Nosferatu II Medium Nosferatu II Gallente Navy Heavy Neutron Blaster, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Gallente Navy Heavy Neutron Blaster, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II Trimark Armor Pump II
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Ogre II x2 Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1
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![Droidster Droidster](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1161122284/portrait?size=64)
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2013.09.07 01:30:00 -
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This setup for the Occator seems to only get about 85k
[Occator, Occator EHP] Energized EM Membrane II Energized Thermic Membrane II Energized Kinetic Membrane II Energized Explosive Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
[empty med slot] [empty med slot]
[empty high slot]
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
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![Maaaaowm Ogeko Maaaaowm Ogeko](https://images.evetech.net/characters/93160874/portrait?size=64)
Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.09.07 03:48:00 -
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This fellow has already been ganked once this summer, carrying over a billion in modules in highsec in an Iteron Mark V:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18975501
Slow learner.
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![Bertrand Butler Bertrand Butler](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92871153/portrait?size=64)
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
75
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Posted - 2013.09.07 04:22:00 -
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Indeed.
OP, don't autopilot in HS in a cargo loot pinata. Its a gank waiting to happen and no amount of passive tank can make you unprofitable enough to avoid getting raped.
Adapt, or continue suffering. Both are good. |
![Micha Bruor Micha Bruor](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2007905280/portrait?size=64)
Micha Bruor
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.09.07 04:58:00 -
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Droidster is the Eve Santa Claus. Thanks Droidster, have a cookie (AFK, of course). |
![Omar Alharazaad Omar Alharazaad](https://images.evetech.net/characters/778105871/portrait?size=64)
Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
31
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Posted - 2013.09.07 05:17:00 -
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"Some men you just can't reach..." I hope this isn't truly the case this time, but from what I'm seeing I have my doubts. When the actual gankers are telling you how not to become their victim, you'd think that should get your attention. Instead of looking for the magical ship/fit combo that will let you profit from not actually playing the game I'd recommend focusing instead on curing yourself of a bad habit. People keep telling you that AFK autopiloting is suicide, that it's foolish, that you are inviting trouble by doing so. So many voices, yet you react with scorn? Consider that perhaps they actually are trying to give you sound advice. You've already painted a target on your back with your responses; belittling the baddies when they advise you on how to avoid being a victim isn't exactly wise. Daring them to gank you afterwards is suicidal. |
![Ireland VonVicious Ireland VonVicious](https://images.evetech.net/characters/606724581/portrait?size=64)
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
194
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Posted - 2013.09.07 08:06:00 -
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How I train my corp:
4000 x total health.
40 mil per 10k of health is your max risk for high sec hauling.
Auto-Pilot only if well under 2000 x total health. (( Active mods don't count to health when AFK ))
Bring ECM / Cloak.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lon41NCRvOM
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![Fronkfurter McSheebleton Fronkfurter McSheebleton](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90517310/portrait?size=64)
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
249
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Posted - 2013.09.07 13:43:00 -
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Droidster wrote:Zane Lowe wrote:I haul expensive low-volume stuff in my proteus. 430k EHP totally passive tanked, which is usually good for hauling a bill or two afk. If I need to fly something really expensive, I switch to a more active tank and bring along a legion booster, bringing me up to ~750k EHP. Seems to work well. How are you getting to 430k ? I saw this 400k fitting, but this is with implants, heat (not possible afk), fleet boost and LARGE trimarks. I don't think you can fit large trimarks to cruisers anymore, or at least my EFT will not allow it:
Rig size doesn't make a difference...they have the exact same percentage-based effect. Small ships with large rigs are from before rig sizes were a thing.
You can hit well over 430k with a slave set. It makes a massive difference. Plugging the explosive hole on a passive fit is a bit annoying though.
thhief ghabmoef |
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![FT Diomedes FT Diomedes](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1173578059/portrait?size=64)
FT Diomedes
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
201
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Posted - 2013.09.07 15:32:00 -
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Dude, just split your loot up into piles worth less than 1billion. Then courier contract each 1b ISK pile to Redfrog Freight, with collateral set to 1b. Even if it doesn't arrive, you get your ISK. Not that that has ever happened for me - Redfrog has always delivered.
Even if you pay attention, hauling in highsec is dangerous. Your attacker hides in the crowd and strikes when and where he chooses. In fact, if you pay attention, nullsec is less dangerous than highsec. |
![hellcane hellcane](https://images.evetech.net/characters/607039441/portrait?size=64)
hellcane
Never Back Down
92
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Posted - 2013.09.07 15:57:00 -
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Buy a blockade runner, name it PLEX mule, and run it empty from jita-amarr a few times using autopilot. Very good entertainment if you don't mind the isk loss |
![Droidster Droidster](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1161122284/portrait?size=64)
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2013.09.09 13:22:00 -
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I moved my stuff yesterday morning. Total was 2.5 billion.
I actually ended up using a frigate with cargo expanders on the theory that the less time I spent approaching the gate, the less likely it would be to attract attention.
Apparently it worked because the ship arrived safe and sound in Dodixie.
Thanks for the tips.
I am still interested in how that guy is able to get a Proteus to 470k EHP passively tanked (without fleet bonuses).
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![amurder Hakomairos amurder Hakomairos](https://images.evetech.net/characters/92165130/portrait?size=64)
amurder Hakomairos
Fellowship Of Lost Souls Rebel Alliance of New Eden
61
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Posted - 2013.09.09 14:03:00 -
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lol autopilot
You can get 2B moved with collateral for 500k per jump and no risk of isk loss. Why would you want to move things yourself? |
![Salpad Salpad](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1253651701/portrait?size=64)
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
373
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Posted - 2013.09.09 15:20:00 -
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Droidster wrote:I see that the Occator is pretty tough. If I put additional defensive modules on it including rigs is it more or less gank proof ? My goal here is to transport 1-2 billion in stuff over 30 hops unattended through empire.
My other idea would be to use a Raven or some other battleship (cargo is not that bulky). Would that be a better idea?
I doubt you can make any T1 or T2 industrial gank-proof enough to protect cargo woth 1 billion.
However, some players routinely move cargo worth up to 1 billion ISK in Freighters, while AFK. A max skill Charon can easily do that, while deterring gankers. At least those gankers who bother do to the cost-benefit-analysis. So if you have 2 billion worth of stuff, that's 2 trips.
You can also pay Push Industries or Red Frog for it. Again, it's probably best to make it 2 contracts, 1 billion cargo and 1 billion collateral, each. Push would charge you 15.5 million ISK per 30 jump trip. I can't recall the exact rates of Red Frog (I use Push myself) but an edumcated guess is that they'd charge 16 million ISK/ for each such trip. Both will charge much more if you want your stuff moved to, from or through low-sec or 0.0. Push also has a double-collateral rate where you can have 2 billion ISK worth of stuff moved in a single haul, but I've never used that. It's never worth it for me (cheaper and better just to make 2 contracts). Red Frog probably has a similar option.
If I have something small but expensive I want moved, I'm much more likely to move it in an Interceptor, while flying at-the-keyboard. I've got a ship rigged to fly about 21 AU/sec and also be pretty fast STL, it's fit for AFK use, but also works very well for at-the-keyboard flight. Just last week, I moved... not quite sure, maybe 3.5 billion ISK of stuff at once, in a tiny and defencelsss T2 frigate. I Didn't get cargo-scaned even once. |
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