So outside of alliance fleets and PvE, where do you see them?

tengu every time. dual asb mega tank beats all.

so because of weapon platform u want to nerf hull. great logic.

Um, no...

I am merely pointing out that the dual asb tengu has an unbreakable (certainly by another T3 ship) tank. It achieves this with no penalty to damage projection. It's therefore the logical choice in a 1:1 T3 fight, which was Arthur's proposition.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to clarify myself.

For those of us that don't live in holes, he may unbreakable solo.....but help is just a cyno away....so people that like to try **** like that just get zerged under.

tengu every time. dual asb mega tank beats all.

Yet another argument as to why you should only be allowed to fit one ASB.

A lot could be accomplished by nerfing T3 power grids. Get their possible EHP down into the realm of normalcy. 250k EHP is not normal and they should not be able to do that.

Those fits are rare and you sacrifice ALL your dps to get a tank like that.

If they nerf the power grid on the Loki, my artillery fit would be impossible

If they nerf anything on the Loki, a lot of things become impossible. Let's not throw the Legion and the Loki out with the Tengu-Proteus bathwater.

If they nerf anything on the Loki, a lot of things become impossible. Let's not throw the Legion and the Loki out with the Tengu-Proteus bathwater.

Yet another argument as to why you should only be allowed to fit one ASB.

Those fits are rare and you sacrifice ALL your dps to get a tank like that.

If they nerf the power grid on the Loki, my artillery fit would be impossible

I understand the thinking but remove rigs and you take away a big part of ship customisation. You would need to buff the stats on pretty much every subsystem would need to be buffed to compensate which makes the whole process pointless.

^ I would make a few refinements but I like the idea.

Well I'll put more thought into it when the actual t3 balancing thread comes around but I would be tempted to just let Tech 3 ships refit and swap sub systems without the use of a deport.

If they do remove rigs though, subsystems and slot layouts would need a major rework imo.

I'd like to see the T3's gain some more functionality in specialized fits (e.g. the Legion being able to do some of the things that a Tengu can do, but lose some of the super EHP fits). What I do not want to see is to see them turn into Swiss Army knives, because Swiss Army knives suck at everything.

Most super eHP fits have like 0 damage i.e. drone triggers proteus, fleet webber lokis, fleet pointers or whatnot.

Yeah they have huge ass tanks, and if they have guns at all they are just there to plink at drones.

My hunter proteus has a whopping two civilan rails on it, just because empty highs annoy me.

how many ehp does a super ehp cruiser have? I would argue that 70k is super ehp for a cruiser, normal for a battle cruiser.

All T3 can get much more than. 70k ehp with a max dps fit.

My 110k Ehp prophesy......just maybe

...and for a billion isk, 70k eHP is fine I can do more with a myrm

A 1000dps proteus with 137k ehp will cost you 450 million (you can do it with T1 rigs and T2 modules). Plus it has one of:
battleship sensor strength or,
bonused scram range

plus it has, one of:
almost capless MWD use or,
small sig radius while using MWD or,
bonus to warp speed.

plus it has:
bonus to blaster range (this is really important in a brawl)

With all of that, it would still be worth the money with 70k EHP (20k more than the strongest best DPS HAC - the sacrilege).

Good it costs twice as much.

....and that 1000DPS is only at sneeze range, range bonuses or not its STILL medium neutrons, you need null to hit at point range and you aren't doing close to 1000DPS there.

A 1000dps proteus with 137k ehp will cost you 450 million (you can do it with T1 rigs and T2 modules).

I like them to keep the tank. Dps could vary, perhaps lowering it but giving them a plus on application. Remove rigs, adjust subsytems to compensate. Dont touch ewar on t3, they are fine.

Basically can do what t2 do, only a little worse with more tank, and more veratilitie. From jamgu to hamgu to railgu only by swapping mods and subs.


Edit: also, they get more benefits from shiny mods than a T2. This could means that the more isk that you throw at it th more benefits.