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Marcus Sovereign	Posted - 2006.01.10 13:18:00 - [31] Edited by: Marcus Sovereign on 10/01/2006 13:26:42 Originally by: Drake Mezcal what exactly has happened witht the BPOs? It's a tragic tale of deceit and deception. 1. CCP announces, through the notes for today's patch, that the prices for small tractor beam BPO's (currently ~81k) are going to be raised to 15m. 2. Many players (myself included) went out and purchased a ton of the BPOs at the old price, in the hopes that they could be sold after the patch for a tidy profit. 3. CCP, seeing that THEY'VE MADE A COMPLETELY BONEHEAD MANOUVER by announcing this change publicly, quickly reverses its decision to raise the prices. 4. Many players (myself included) are several million isk poorer, since they're now the proud owners of BPOs that cannot be sold back to the vendor. Don't get me wrong; I'm not bitter or upset. I bought 100 BPOs for a total of ~8m isk. I can make that back in a mission or two. I'm just hoping that CCP has learned something from this. Namely: STOP CHANGING THE PRICES ON SISI BEFORE THEY'RE CHANGED ON LIVE. It gives certain players an advantage over others. This has happened many, MANY, MANY, MANY times in the past, and CCP still hasn't taken it's head out of its rectum. Also, never, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER announce price changes in the patch notes. I feel better now. *edited for spelling - which reminds me... it's REGIMEN, not REGIMENT. Sorry, I wouldn't be me if I didn't slip that in somewhere. "Never equate education with intelligence; nor intelligence with wisdom." - me "A smart man learns from his own mistakes; a wise man learns from the mistakes of others." - also me
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.01.10 13:19:00 - [32] Spy, you were pretty dumb to even contemplate putting isk into tractor beam bpo's ffs. You could just yesterday have checked the market in only your region and seen that x hundred bpo's had been sold in that region, on that very same day. If you did not do that, then ignorance hit you just as much as it would have hit those you would later sell your bpo's to. The only thing you can petition for, is a darwin award. _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
Marcus Sovereign	Posted - 2006.01.10 13:21:00 - [33] Originally by: Ayla Vanir Originally by: Ginger Magician Originally by: dodge2005 soooo, does anyone want to buy one (or more) tractor beam bpo's. Will we be able to sell them back to npc's? The is answer is no im afraid.BPOS are not bought back by npcs.This has all been a cruel joke on the player base and the bpos that have been purchased since this was anounced in patch notes r now basically worthless. cruel joke? I beg to differ - it's one of the best jokes I've heard in a while. You just got scammed by NPCs. I mean, scamming players, exploiting the market in this manner, that's one thing. But to get scammed by an NPC... that's a rare treat. heheh, I suppose, if one wanted to roleplay this whole incident, then you could certainly look at it this way. But, since the npcs are programmed and, ultimately, controlled by CCP, then, by logical extension, we were really scammed by CCP. "Never equate education with intelligence; nor intelligence with wisdom." - me "A smart man learns from his own mistakes; a wise man learns from the mistakes of others." - also me
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2006.01.10 13:22:00 - [34] Btw Marcus Publishing price changes is fine. Retracting the changes is fine too. I don't see any issue with it at all. Those that got screwed over by the tower change can't complain: the fact they dont bother to be informed is what got them. And today you see the effect of that lesson: people made sure to be informed, people all thgouth they'd play the same trick: people got shafted by theri own ignorance in a totally new way. Serves you all right. _______________________________________________ Power to the players !
Azuriel Talloth	Posted - 2006.01.10 13:23:00 - [35] Originally by: Rhonni Rhocket Originally by: Nelson Muntz "HA HA" Couldn't have said it better myself!
Melkisadek	Posted - 2006.01.10 13:28:00 - [36] Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 10/01/2006 13:16:13 Originally by: Melkisadek so does that mean that the patch notes can no longer be relied upon as a true source of information - that indeed is very worrying... Hi, it says that patch notes are subject of change as patch content is subject to change on untill the last minute before downtime deployment. If you can read possibilities to grab easy cash (or what you think are such possibilities at least ), you can read the whole blog too. Ignorance is not a protection. That goes for those you wanted to profit off that were unknowing of the fact prices would change, and that goes to yourself for not realising that overt capitalisation on the cahnge could well make the devs change their mind. Changing the price is now useless, there are more bpo's ingame then player corporations atm, why the hell would CCP up the price now ? I just love the darwinism in this hole sideshow tbh firstly - i personally didn't buy any of these so the decision doesn't affect me at all other than to make me extremely dubious of anything posted in the patch notes in future secondly - if the devs have changed it 'cos they see it as some kind of exploit - or even just a bad idea due to the amount of isk being poured into it - then why was the same decision not made over the POS towers that have made a few already rich individuals a lot richer - as far as i can tell the only reason this situation has occurred is because people know about the tower situation in retrospect and have rushed in head first to try and generate some isk the same way ccp could have left the price change in and still no-one would be making any real isk off this - there was/is no need to reverse the decision all it does is make a lot of people very angry and lacking in trust - why bother???
Desired Username	Posted - 2006.01.10 13:28:00 - [37] Thank you for cheering up my dull afternoon at work CCP! ___________________________________________ Please do not read this sig. Thank you.
ALUN	Posted - 2006.01.10 13:28:00 - [38] Originally by: Azuriel Talloth Originally by: Rhonni Rhocket Originally by: Nelson Muntz "HA HA" Couldn't have said it better myself! QFT Suckers ------------------------------------------ You are trying to post to a locked thread CONCORD has been notified
Marcus Sovereign	Posted - 2006.01.10 13:30:00 - [39] Originally by: Rod Blaine Btw Marcus Publishing price changes is fine. Retracting the changes is fine too. I don't see any issue with it at all. Those that got screwed over by the tower change can't complain: the fact they dont bother to be informed is what got them. And today you see the effect of that lesson: people made sure to be informed, people all thgouth they'd play the same trick: people got shafted by theri own ignorance in a totally new way. Serves you all right. You are entitled to your opinion. I hope you agree that I am entitled to mine. I propose that we agree to disagree and leave it at that. Peace. "Never equate education with intelligence; nor intelligence with wisdom." - me "A smart man learns from his own mistakes; a wise man learns from the mistakes of others." - also me
Hast	Posted - 2006.01.10 13:31:00 - [40] so people actually thought they could make money on that Give miners a log off timer
Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2006.01.10 13:39:00 - [41] An old saying If its looks too good to be true it probably is I did buy a couple of BPO's myself just incase but whats 1mil these days.
Spy4Hire	Posted - 2006.01.10 13:40:00 - [42] Originally by: Rod Blaine Spy, you were pretty dumb to even contemplate putting isk into tractor beam bpo's ffs. Read my post and don't just skim. I have something in the area of 30 minutes for account checks, maintainance, and such while I am readying for work. I am not some anal retentive sitting on the patch notes refreshing every 15 seconds because I am at work. I checked the market when I bought my small quantity and people had not even begun putting up resell orders for me to judge how I would eventually put my own up. Did the market show the purchases had gone up? Certainly it did, I expected that it would. I was not the only one making that purchase. The Dev's F***ed their players - bad move on their part. Destroying trust in the people paying for your service is a quick way to see them going to someone else providing similar services.
Del Narveux	Posted - 2006.01.10 13:41:00 - [43] The whole incident is actually pretty lame and funny at the same time. 1. This would not be the first time CCP played around with prices/quantities/etc. People saw a profit opportunity here because, frankly, theyve watched other people do the exact same thing in the past and get away with it. 2. An official CCP explanation of why they retracted it would be nice. I mean its possible theyre rethinking the cost/effectiveness of small beams per my previous post but dumping it due to massive weaseling alone is a little bit lame--blueprints get lost, eaten by bugs, and stuck with inactive players/corps so in the long run the whole thing would balance out. On a related note, if CCP wants to change the cost or quantity of something in the future it would probably be best to not make it public via sisi or patch notes as it just causes too much chaos and is counterproductive. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.01.10 13:42:00 - [44] Originally by: Rhonni Rhocket Originally by: Nelson Muntz "HA HA" qft!
Marcus Sovereign	Posted - 2006.01.10 13:43:00 - [45] Originally by: Hast so people actually thought they could make money on that One of the reasons I love EVE so much is the way the game relates to the real world. This is a perfect example. What we're seeing here is known as "insider trading". We all know it's illegal and immoral; we also know that it happens all the time. The only real difference here is that, instead of a CCP insider leaking a memo, or mentioning the change to a few select friends, THEY TOOK OUT A FULL PAGE AD IN THE FINANCIAL SECTION of the newspaper. Just as in the real world, where few people bother to read the Financial Section of their newspaper, many EVE players don't bother to go over the patch notes. The few that do may (or may not, as this debacle proves) profit enormously over the many who do not. Long live capitalism. "Never equate education with intelligence; nor intelligence with wisdom." - me "A smart man learns from his own mistakes; a wise man learns from the mistakes of others." - also me
Lustralis	Posted - 2006.01.10 13:46:00 - [46] Doing this should be considered an Exploit in any case. I'm pleased so many people have been burned, it serves them right. Buying 100's of them? lol - you idiots. I'm also sure CCP have recently undergone an IQ REDUCTION will all the avoidable problems they have been causing themselves recently. Publishing price changes in the patch notes? HA!
Uncle Angus	Posted - 2006.01.10 13:59:00 - [47] And who were the buyers intending to sell them to, anyway? I can't see a huge demand for the tractor beam BPO personally... I picked one up myself, but then I use tractor beams & thought it might come in handy.
Del Narveux	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:02:00 - [48] Edited by: Del Narveux on 10/01/2006 14:06:49 Originally by: Uncle Angus And who were the buyers intending to sell them to, anyway? I can't see a huge demand for the tractor beam BPO personally... I picked one up myself, but then I use tractor beams & thought it might come in handy. Over time, old blueprints get lost/bugged/forgotten and new players want theirs. I and nearly everyone I talked to that bought some did so as a 'long term investment.' Originally by: Lustralis Doing this should be considered an Exploit in any case. I'm pleased so many people have been burned, it serves them right. Buying 100's of them? lol - you idiots. Maybe. But at the same time its become common enough to be generally accepted, often with a nod and chuckle from CCP. The only real difference between this and the missle quantity increase, and the RMR invuln buff, and the pos thing, and various and sundry other tweaks and stuff was that CCP changed their minds and the insiders got pwned. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
Jenny Wimbishi	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:08:00 - [49] Well, completely backpedalling on their brain fart was definately not the way to go considering the ISK dumped on the BPOs. Hacking off a zero, perhaps (1.5 million) would have impacted the wallets of hundreds without bending them over and completely raping their assets. And like the other fellow said, it would not have had such a dramatic affect on the percieved trust he had in the Devs. Me? I bought a sum total of 0 - I've been building and selling tractor beams nicely off of 2 researched BPOs. Admittedly I questioned the original release price which should have been 8.1 million to be in line with most other BPOs that I've purchased (generally ~5x the build cost for a single unit) but I was not complaining. It made the units available to far more people more swiftly that way, even with the idiotically high skill requirements. Anyway, I say it was a terribly bad move by the Devs to completely reverse themselves rather than simply toning down the outrageous price hike to something more reasonable.
Jenny Wimbishi	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:12:00 - [50] Oh, and someone else made a very valid point. If CCP does not want people 'exploiting' upcoming price changes (a'la POS towers) then they should artificially keep the SISI prices the same as current Tranquility prices. Let the people testing on SISI examine the new skills and ships but do not let them exploit market fluctuations that are not available to those who do not access SISI all the time. Truly, I can't be assed to screw around with non-reversible patch changes on a second client just to hound SISI NPC markets a week before patch time. As someone said - that is just Insider Trading anyway.
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:15:00 - [51] this is hilarious. please help with my survey
Bongo Smith	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:21:00 - [52] Spy: Trying to exploit patch notes for ingame profit IS anal-retentive. Patch notes? I read them AFTER THE PATCH to learn WHAT WAS CHANGED. Because, you know, the patch notes can change up to the deployment of the patch. I don't take them at face value before that, because I know that.
Barak Torginn	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:23:00 - [53] Do the people complaining that they didn't get free isk from this realise how stupid they look? Seriously, I'm laughing my ass off here.
Summersnow	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:36:00 - [54] Originally by: Ayla Vanircruel joke? I beg to differ - it's one of the best jokes I've heard in a while. You just got scammed by NPCs. I mean, scamming players, exploiting the market in this manner, that's one thing. But to get scammed by an NPC... that's a rare treat. [/quote People didn't get scammed by a npc. They got scammed by a Dev.
hundurinn	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:37:00 - [55] Edited by: hundurinn on 10/01/2006 14:37:10 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. SO good to get that out.
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:40:00 - [56] Sure it is funny for those who were not caught out or were not smart enough to read the patch notes and im sure most of the long term investors such as myself can cope with the loss of a few million isk here and there.The question of trust is not so easily put aside however and a lot of that trust and goodwill has disappeared. 2006 has really made a bad start EVE wise.Lets hope that the devs get over their January blues and start making some better decesions soon. "May you die by the hand of a low life in real life for ruining the gaming experiance of others.Your scum and will never be anything better than the coward you are."
Nasica	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:41:00 - [57] Originally by: Spy4Hire Originally by: Kay Han Originally by: Spy4Hire Just petition. The patch notes are not a place for the devs and GMs to screw around with the players with a big HA HA. It is intended to be a source of concrete information about changes. Originally by: patch Notes Please note that the patch notes are still undergoing additions and changes as Quality Assurance on Red Moon Rising continues. Items recently added to the patch notes will be in italics. I think you are wrong m8. patch notes are 100% correct when the patch is applied.. not earlier. Incorrect. I have about 30 mins during my work prep time to log in, check skills, and do other character maintainance before heading out. So they play this neat little joke on people who cannot be around 0.5 seconds before the patch is set in concrete to say 'doh, they got me'? I'm not out as much as some others out there, not by far, but I am backstabbed anyway... and not by players, which I expect at every turn, but by the Devs themselves, which seriously harms any faith or trust I have in them. And to be a paying customer they damned well need my trust. For me, I will petition their lame little joke. With your actions, didnt you backstab the devs ? The devs posted a piece of information that was going to be realeased with a patch, and you tried to take advantage of that. Just seems to me like you are the one who should not be trusted with information like that. The devs are more than responsible enough to change whatever they want whenever they want, and just because your little exploit didnt work, they have no obligation to appologise, or refund you. Thats the way i see it Nasica
Winterblink	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:42:00 - [58] Heh, this is great. Do it again, seriously. Basically, you had a bunch of players who were looking to use a patch note item to make a huge wad of cash at other players' expenses. Next time maybe they'll learn to do it properly, in game, with actual competition instead of cheap tactics. What's the matter, can't competetively sell your loot, ore, or manufactured items? winterblink warp drive active.http://winterblink.com/wda nature vraie.http://winterblink.com/env
Sinari Galdrin	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:47:00 - [59] Originally by: Ginger Magician Sure it is funny for those who were not caught out or were not smart enough to read the patch notes and im sure most of the long term investors such as myself can cope with the loss of a few million isk here and there.The question of trust is not so easily put aside however and a lot of that trust and goodwill has disappeared. Come on, it was an exploit, you know it was, and you still bought 500 copies of the BPO See here and see that more copies of the BPO were sold in the last few days than there are players on Eve. How anyone expected to sell them is beyond me. I read the patch notes, saw the increase and thought (a) very few people are using tractor beams anyway, so there's not going to be a demand, at least not for a VERY long time, (b) it's obviously an exploit, so CCP might well block it somehow, (c) 10000 copies have been sold in this region alone - massive supply, no demand.. and (d) I want to play the game properly, not cheat, so I won't buy them anyway. Buying one or two copies could potentially have been a sensible 'just in case' step for some people, but 500 copies? - duh! Even if the price HAD been put up by CCP, there were so many out there, they'd probably be selling at or around the 81k mark anyway afterwards, just for people to be able to get rid of them. The 80,000+ copies of the BPO bought recently would take MANY years to sell (probably a few hundred years..)
Quanteeri	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:48:00 - [60] Edited by: Quanteeri on 10/01/2006 14:49:14 Originally by: Summersnow People didn't get scammed by a npc. They got scammed by a Dev. Bull****!!! There were gangs of us on here yesterday and before forewarning people that this was a bad investment. If you got caught on this, and are mad, you have no one to be mad at but yourself. EDIT: ROFL!!! Stallowned! CCP has even knows it. They've added the word BIGSHOT to the URL of my avatar.

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