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Wild Ice
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Posted - 2006.01.10 11:55:00 -
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hmmm .. that must have added a few billion isk to the sink
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Cypherous
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Posted - 2006.01.10 12:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Wild Ice
hmmm .. that must have added a few billion isk to the sink
Well isk in the sink is always a good thing, some people just have too much as it is.
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2006.01.10 12:05:00 -
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Dave Tehsulei
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Posted - 2006.01.10 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Amthrianius
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Koori
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Posted - 2006.01.10 12:07:00 -
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damn...
too many people knew about that... so every noob in the galaxy bought himself a nice BPO... no wonder that CCP reersed that...
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Laendra
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Posted - 2006.01.10 12:10:00 -
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It would have made the market irrelevant for these BPO, as it is now, people can still sell their BPO back on the market with minimal loss. At least it wasn't an item with a high purchase price to begin with 
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Spartac0
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Posted - 2006.01.10 12:15:00 -
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aye, tell it to ppl who bought 5-10K of them thinking "im the smartest and i will be the richest"
    
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Pytria Le'Danness
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Posted - 2006.01.10 12:18:00 -
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I doubt there would have been much of a market anyway. I bought a BPO after RMR before I read the skill requirements and have been building a few tractors, but they don't sell good at all. I never expected a sudden mass demand for the module to appear, and thus the demand for BPOs is almost nil too. And without PC buyers, the NPC price can be as high as you want - you'll never make it.
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Wendat Huron
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Posted - 2006.01.10 12:42:00 -
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It should be one of those modules with optional fitting, high, medium, low, whatever you got left on the ship, that'd make it more popular.
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dodge2005
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Posted - 2006.01.10 12:46:00 -
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soooo, does anyone want to buy one (or more) tractor beam bpo's.
Will we be able to sell them back to npc's?
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.01.10 12:48:00 -
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Who needs more popular? I'm trying to figure out a safe way to mount 8 on my thrasher. Can cleaning has never been so much fun!!!!
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Rhonni Rhocket
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Posted - 2006.01.10 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nelson Muntz
"HA HA"
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2006.01.10 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: dodge2005
soooo, does anyone want to buy one (or more) tractor beam bpo's.
Will we be able to sell them back to npc's?
The is answer is no im afraid.BPOS are not bought back by npcs.This has all been a cruel joke on the player base and the bpos that have been purchased since this was anounced in patch notes r now basically worthless.
I have about 500 i will sell for 20k each if any one wants them mail me ingame
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.10 12:57:00 -
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rofl.
Nice isk sink manouvre CCP, do stuff like that mroe often will you ?
I cant believe people would think that something this obvious and concerning a module that is definately not 'hot' would ever turn them a profit
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Chain Gang
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Posted - 2006.01.10 12:59:00 -
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LMAO
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Clytamnestra
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:01:00 -
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This is like when people used the lottery number from the TV-show Lost, to play the real lottery.
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:01:00 -
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Hahahaha, we got owned (myself included). 
But truly bumping it up to 15mil would have been a dumb idea all around, at the very least dont announce it so all us lame ass weasels dont screw up the market for the next 3 years.
What I would really like to see is the following:
-Required skill changed to something else, like engineering 5 maybe (its not even a tech2 module so why the hell should it need a non seeded t2 r&d skill?!?)
-Drop the build requirements of the small beam to be more in line with the bpo, i.e. around 10k each. Also possibly reduce the range to 15km to compensate
-Introduce newer, more expensive medium and large tractor beams with, say, 30km and 40km range and take 120 and 900 grid, respectively
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Originally by: Wrangler
Well, at least we have forum PvP..
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Drake Mezcal
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:03:00 -
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what exactly has happened witht the BPOs?
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Spy4Hire
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:06:00 -
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Just petition.
The patch notes are not a place for the devs and GMs to screw around with the players with a big HA HA. It is intended to be a source of concrete information about changes.
If prices are going to change on items they should be reflected in the patch notes, however, and not just for those few who play more on SiSi than Tranquility.
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Melkisadek
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:07:00 -
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so does that mean that the patch notes can no longer be relied upon as a true source of information - that indeed is very worrying... 
and why was this reversal decision not made with the POS towers when the same thing happened on RMR release - not another case of the big-boys being allowed to generate unlimited isk but the noobs being shat up on from a great height
the simple fact is that at 81k or 15mil these bpos were going to be essentially worthless so the decision is a very bad one - will any noob who just (daftly) invested half his isk in these due to reading stuff on the forum last night still be in the game after the patch is running properly?
or is it just a new way of fixing the lag by getting noobs to drop out...
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Ayla Vanir
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
Originally by: dodge2005
soooo, does anyone want to buy one (or more) tractor beam bpo's.
Will we be able to sell them back to npc's?
The is answer is no im afraid.BPOS are not bought back by npcs.This has all been a cruel joke on the player base and the bpos that have been purchased since this was anounced in patch notes r now basically worthless.
cruel joke? I beg to differ - it's one of the best jokes I've heard in a while.
You just got scammed by NPCs. I mean, scamming players, exploiting the market in this manner, that's one thing. But to get scammed by an NPC... that's a rare treat.
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Gonada
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:09:00 -
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petition what? that your a greedy sob that got the tables turned on ya?
quit whining
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Kerushi
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:10:00 -
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apperently, tractor beam bpo is still at it`s old price
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Melkisadek
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:10:00 -
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just something else that occurred to me - will the RAM BPOs be nerfed as well if the 'wrong people' get hold of them?
the precedent has been set - lets see how far things go...
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Kay Han
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Spy4Hire
Just petition.
The patch notes are not a place for the devs and GMs to screw around with the players with a big HA HA. It is intended to be a source of concrete information about changes.
Originally by: patch Notes
Please note that the patch notes are still undergoing additions and changes as Quality Assurance on Red Moon Rising continues. Items recently added to the patch notes will be in italics.
I think you are wrong m8.
patch notes are 100% correct when the patch is applied.. not earlier.
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Feronia
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:11:00 -
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Good joke.
I hope CCP now realise its bad to announce price changes in the patch notes.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Rod Blaine on 10/01/2006 13:16:13
Originally by: Melkisadek
so does that mean that the patch notes can no longer be relied upon as a true source of information - that indeed is very worrying...
Hi, it says that patch notes are subject of change as patch content is subject to change on untill the last minute before downtime deployment.
If you can read possibilities to grab easy cash (or what you think are such possibilities at least ), you can read the whole blog too.
Ignorance is not a protection. That goes for those you wanted to profit off that were unknowing of the fact prices would change, and that goes to yourself for not realising that overt capitalisation on the cahnge could well make the devs change their mind.
Changing the price is now useless, there are more bpo's ingame then player corporations atm, why the hell would CCP up the price now ?
I just love the darwinism in this hole sideshow tbh
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Spy4Hire
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kay Han
Originally by: Spy4Hire
Just petition.
The patch notes are not a place for the devs and GMs to screw around with the players with a big HA HA. It is intended to be a source of concrete information about changes.
Originally by: patch Notes
Please note that the patch notes are still undergoing additions and changes as Quality Assurance on Red Moon Rising continues. Items recently added to the patch notes will be in italics.
I think you are wrong m8.
patch notes are 100% correct when the patch is applied.. not earlier.
Incorrect.
I have about 30 mins during my work prep time to log in, check skills, and do other character maintainance before heading out.
So they play this neat little joke on people who cannot be around 0.5 seconds before the patch is set in concrete to say 'doh, they got me'? I'm not out as much as some others out there, not by far, but I am backstabbed anyway... and not by players, which I expect at every turn, but by the Devs themselves, which seriously harms any faith or trust I have in them. And to be a paying customer they damned well need my trust.
For me, I will petition their lame little joke.
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Nee'kita Frist
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Spy4Hire
Just petition.
The patch notes are not a place for the devs and GMs to screw around with the players with a big HA HA. It is intended to be a source of concrete information about changes.
Sounds like you need surgery..
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
I just love the darwinism in this whole sideshow tbh
Qoute of the day!
PS: Couldn't resist fixing the typo though.
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Marcus Sovereign
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Sovereign on 10/01/2006 13:26:42
Originally by: Drake Mezcal
what exactly has happened witht the BPOs?
It's a tragic tale of deceit and deception.
1. CCP announces, through the notes for today's patch, that the prices for small tractor beam BPO's (currently ~81k) are going to be raised to 15m.
2. Many players (myself included) went out and purchased a ton of the BPOs at the old price, in the hopes that they could be sold after the patch for a tidy profit.
3. CCP, seeing that THEY'VE MADE A COMPLETELY BONEHEAD MANOUVER by announcing this change publicly, quickly reverses its decision to raise the prices.
4. Many players (myself included) are several million isk poorer, since they're now the proud owners of BPOs that cannot be sold back to the vendor.
Don't get me wrong; I'm not bitter or upset. I bought 100 BPOs for a total of ~8m isk. I can make that back in a mission or two. I'm just hoping that CCP has learned something from this.
Namely: STOP CHANGING THE PRICES ON SISI BEFORE THEY'RE CHANGED ON LIVE. It gives certain players an advantage over others. This has happened many, MANY, MANY, MANY times in the past, and CCP still hasn't taken it's head out of its rectum. Also, never, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER announce price changes in the patch notes.
I feel better now.
*edited for spelling - which reminds me... it's REGIMEN, not REGIMENT. Sorry, I wouldn't be me if I didn't slip that in somewhere.
"Never equate education with intelligence; nor intelligence with wisdom." - me
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:19:00 -
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Spy, you were pretty dumb to even contemplate putting isk into tractor beam bpo's ffs.
You could just yesterday have checked the market in only your region and seen that x hundred bpo's had been sold in that region, on that very same day.
If you did not do that, then ignorance hit you just as much as it would have hit those you would later sell your bpo's to.
The only thing you can petition for, is a darwin award.
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Marcus Sovereign
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ayla Vanir
Originally by: Ginger Magician
Originally by: dodge2005
soooo, does anyone want to buy one (or more) tractor beam bpo's.
Will we be able to sell them back to npc's?
The is answer is no im afraid.BPOS are not bought back by npcs.This has all been a cruel joke on the player base and the bpos that have been purchased since this was anounced in patch notes r now basically worthless.
cruel joke? I beg to differ - it's one of the best jokes I've heard in a while.
You just got scammed by NPCs. I mean, scamming players, exploiting the market in this manner, that's one thing. But to get scammed by an NPC... that's a rare treat.
heheh, I suppose, if one wanted to roleplay this whole incident, then you could certainly look at it this way.
But, since the npcs are programmed and, ultimately, controlled by CCP, then, by logical extension, we were really scammed by CCP.
"Never equate education with intelligence; nor intelligence with wisdom." - me
"A smart man learns from his own mistakes; a wise man learns from the mistakes of others." - also me |
Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:22:00 -
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Btw Marcus
Publishing price changes is fine. Retracting the changes is fine too. I don't see any issue with it at all.
Those that got screwed over by the tower change can't complain: the fact they dont bother to be informed is what got them.
And today you see the effect of that lesson: people made sure to be informed, people all thgouth they'd play the same trick: people got shafted by theri own ignorance in a totally new way.
Serves you all right.
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Azuriel Talloth
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rhonni Rhocket
Originally by: Nelson Muntz
"HA HA"
Couldn't have said it better myself!
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Melkisadek
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 10/01/2006 13:16:13
Originally by: Melkisadek
so does that mean that the patch notes can no longer be relied upon as a true source of information - that indeed is very worrying...
Hi, it says that patch notes are subject of change as patch content is subject to change on untill the last minute before downtime deployment.
If you can read possibilities to grab easy cash (or what you think are such possibilities at least ), you can read the whole blog too.
Ignorance is not a protection. That goes for those you wanted to profit off that were unknowing of the fact prices would change, and that goes to yourself for not realising that overt capitalisation on the cahnge could well make the devs change their mind.
Changing the price is now useless, there are more bpo's ingame then player corporations atm, why the hell would CCP up the price now ?
I just love the darwinism in this hole sideshow tbh
firstly - i personally didn't buy any of these so the decision doesn't affect me at all other than to make me extremely dubious of anything posted in the patch notes in future
secondly - if the devs have changed it 'cos they see it as some kind of exploit - or even just a bad idea due to the amount of isk being poured into it - then why was the same decision not made over the POS towers that have made a few already rich individuals a lot richer - as far as i can tell the only reason this situation has occurred is because people know about the tower situation in retrospect and have rushed in head first to try and generate some isk the same way
ccp could have left the price change in and still no-one would be making any real isk off this - there was/is no need to reverse the decision
all it does is make a lot of people very angry and lacking in trust - why bother???
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Desired Username
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:28:00 -
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Thank you for cheering up my dull afternoon at work CCP!
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ALUN
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Azuriel Talloth
Originally by: Rhonni Rhocket
Originally by: Nelson Muntz
"HA HA"
Couldn't have said it better myself!
QFT
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Marcus Sovereign
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Btw Marcus
Publishing price changes is fine. Retracting the changes is fine too. I don't see any issue with it at all.
Those that got screwed over by the tower change can't complain: the fact they dont bother to be informed is what got them.
And today you see the effect of that lesson: people made sure to be informed, people all thgouth they'd play the same trick: people got shafted by theri own ignorance in a totally new way.
Serves you all right.
You are entitled to your opinion. I hope you agree that I am entitled to mine. I propose that we agree to disagree and leave it at that.
Peace.
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Hast
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:31:00 -
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so people actually thought they could make money on that
Give miners a log off timer
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Traxio Nacho
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:39:00 -
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An old saying
If its looks too good to be true it probably is
I did buy a couple of BPO's myself just incase but whats 1mil these days.
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Spy4Hire
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Spy, you were pretty dumb to even contemplate putting isk into tractor beam bpo's ffs.
Read my post and don't just skim.
I have something in the area of 30 minutes for account checks, maintainance, and such while I am readying for work. I am not some anal retentive sitting on the patch notes refreshing every 15 seconds because I am at work. I checked the market when I bought my small quantity and people had not even begun putting up resell orders for me to judge how I would eventually put my own up.
Did the market show the purchases had gone up? Certainly it did, I expected that it would. I was not the only one making that purchase.
The Dev's F***ed their players - bad move on their part. Destroying trust in the people paying for your service is a quick way to see them going to someone else providing similar services.
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:41:00 -
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The whole incident is actually pretty lame and funny at the same time.
1. This would not be the first time CCP played around with prices/quantities/etc. People saw a profit opportunity here because, frankly, theyve watched other people do the exact same thing in the past and get away with it.
2. An official CCP explanation of why they retracted it would be nice. I mean its possible theyre rethinking the cost/effectiveness of small beams per my previous post but dumping it due to massive weaseling alone is a little bit lame--blueprints get lost, eaten by bugs, and stuck with inactive players/corps so in the long run the whole thing would balance out. On a related note, if CCP wants to change the cost or quantity of something in the future it would probably be best to not make it public via sisi or patch notes as it just causes too much chaos and is counterproductive.
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Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Originally by: Wrangler
Well, at least we have forum PvP..
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rhonni Rhocket
Originally by: Nelson Muntz
"HA HA"
qft!
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Marcus Sovereign
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Hast
so people actually thought they could make money on that
One of the reasons I love EVE so much is the way the game relates to the real world. This is a perfect example.
What we're seeing here is known as "insider trading". We all know it's illegal and immoral; we also know that it happens all the time.
The only real difference here is that, instead of a CCP insider leaking a memo, or mentioning the change to a few select friends, THEY TOOK OUT A FULL PAGE AD IN THE FINANCIAL SECTION of the newspaper. Just as in the real world, where few people bother to read the Financial Section of their newspaper, many EVE players don't bother to go over the patch notes. The few that do may (or may not, as this debacle proves) profit enormously over the many who do not.
Long live capitalism. 
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Lustralis
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:46:00 -
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Doing this should be considered an Exploit in any case. I'm pleased so many people have been burned, it serves them right. Buying 100's of them? lol - you idiots.
I'm also sure CCP have recently undergone an IQ REDUCTION will all the avoidable problems they have been causing themselves recently. Publishing price changes in the patch notes? HA!
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Uncle Angus
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Posted - 2006.01.10 13:59:00 -
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And who were the buyers intending to sell them to, anyway? I can't see a huge demand for the tractor beam BPO personally... I picked one up myself, but then I use tractor beams & thought it might come in handy.
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:02:00 -
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Edited by: Del Narveux on 10/01/2006 14:06:49
Originally by: Uncle Angus
And who were the buyers intending to sell them to, anyway? I can't see a huge demand for the tractor beam BPO personally... I picked one up myself, but then I use tractor beams & thought it might come in handy.
Over time, old blueprints get lost/bugged/forgotten and new players want theirs. I and nearly everyone I talked to that bought some did so as a 'long term investment.'
Originally by: Lustralis
Doing this should be considered an Exploit in any case. I'm pleased so many people have been burned, it serves them right. Buying 100's of them? lol - you idiots.
Maybe. But at the same time its become common enough to be generally accepted, often with a nod and chuckle from CCP. The only real difference between this and the missle quantity increase, and the RMR invuln buff, and the pos thing, and various and sundry other tweaks and stuff was that CCP changed their minds and the insiders got pwned.
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Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Originally by: Wrangler
Well, at least we have forum PvP..
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Jenny Wimbishi
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:08:00 -
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Well, completely backpedalling on their brain fart was definately not the way to go considering the ISK dumped on the BPOs.
Hacking off a zero, perhaps (1.5 million) would have impacted the wallets of hundreds without bending them over and completely raping their assets. And like the other fellow said, it would not have had such a dramatic affect on the percieved trust he had in the Devs.
Me? I bought a sum total of 0 - I've been building and selling tractor beams nicely off of 2 researched BPOs. Admittedly I questioned the original release price which should have been 8.1 million to be in line with most other BPOs that I've purchased (generally ~5x the build cost for a single unit) but I was not complaining. It made the units available to far more people more swiftly that way, even with the idiotically high skill requirements.
Anyway, I say it was a terribly bad move by the Devs to completely reverse themselves rather than simply toning down the outrageous price hike to something more reasonable.
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Jenny Wimbishi
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:12:00 -
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Oh, and someone else made a very valid point.
If CCP does not want people 'exploiting' upcoming price changes (a'la POS towers) then they should artificially keep the SISI prices the same as current Tranquility prices.
Let the people testing on SISI examine the new skills and ships but do not let them exploit market fluctuations that are not available to those who do not access SISI all the time. Truly, I can't be assed to screw around with non-reversible patch changes on a second client just to hound SISI NPC markets a week before patch time.
As someone said - that is just Insider Trading anyway.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:15:00 -
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this is hilarious. please help with my survey
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Bongo Smith
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:21:00 -
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Spy: Trying to exploit patch notes for ingame profit IS anal-retentive.
Patch notes? I read them AFTER THE PATCH to learn WHAT WAS CHANGED.
Because, you know, the patch notes can change up to the deployment of the patch. I don't take them at face value before that, because I know that.
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Barak Torginn
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:23:00 -
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Do the people complaining that they didn't get free isk from this realise how stupid they look?
Seriously, I'm laughing my ass off here.
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Summersnow
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ayla Vanircruel joke? I beg to differ - it's one of the best jokes I've heard in a while.
You just got scammed by NPCs. I mean, scamming players, exploiting the market in this manner, that's one thing. But to get scammed by an NPC... that's a rare treat.
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People didn't get scammed by a npc.
They got scammed by a Dev.
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hundurinn
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: hundurinn on 10/01/2006 14:37:10
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. SO good to get that out.
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:40:00 -
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Sure it is funny for those who were not caught out or were not smart enough to read the patch notes and im sure most of the long term investors such as myself can cope with the loss of a few million isk here and there.The question of trust is not so easily put aside however and a lot of that trust and goodwill has disappeared.
2006 has really made a bad start EVE wise.Lets hope that the devs get over their January blues and start making some better decesions soon.
"May you die by the hand of a low life in real life for ruining the gaming experiance of others.Your scum and will never be anything better than the coward you are." |
Nasica
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Spy4Hire
Originally by: Kay Han
Originally by: Spy4Hire
Just petition.
The patch notes are not a place for the devs and GMs to screw around with the players with a big HA HA. It is intended to be a source of concrete information about changes.
Originally by: patch Notes
Please note that the patch notes are still undergoing additions and changes as Quality Assurance on Red Moon Rising continues. Items recently added to the patch notes will be in italics.
I think you are wrong m8.
patch notes are 100% correct when the patch is applied.. not earlier.
Incorrect.
I have about 30 mins during my work prep time to log in, check skills, and do other character maintainance before heading out.
So they play this neat little joke on people who cannot be around 0.5 seconds before the patch is set in concrete to say 'doh, they got me'? I'm not out as much as some others out there, not by far, but I am backstabbed anyway... and not by players, which I expect at every turn, but by the Devs themselves, which seriously harms any faith or trust I have in them. And to be a paying customer they damned well need my trust.
For me, I will petition their lame little joke.
With your actions, didnt you backstab the devs ?
The devs posted a piece of information that was going to be realeased with a patch, and you tried to take advantage of that. Just seems to me like you are the one who should not be trusted with information like that. The devs are more than responsible enough to change whatever they want whenever they want, and just because your little exploit didnt work, they have no obligation to appologise, or refund you.
Thats the way i see it
Nasica
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:42:00 -
[58]
Heh, this is great. Do it again, seriously.
Basically, you had a bunch of players who were looking to use a patch note item to make a huge wad of cash at other players' expenses. Next time maybe they'll learn to do it properly, in game, with actual competition instead of cheap tactics.
What's the matter, can't competetively sell your loot, ore, or manufactured items?
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Sinari Galdrin
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:47:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Ginger Magician
Sure it is funny for those who were not caught out or were not smart enough to read the patch notes and im sure most of the long term investors such as myself can cope with the loss of a few million isk here and there.The question of trust is not so easily put aside however and a lot of that trust and goodwill has disappeared.
Come on, it was an exploit, you know it was, and you still bought 500 copies of the BPO
See here and see that more copies of the BPO were sold in the last few days than there are players on Eve. How anyone expected to sell them is beyond me.
I read the patch notes, saw the increase and thought (a) very few people are using tractor beams anyway, so there's not going to be a demand, at least not for a VERY long time, (b) it's obviously an exploit, so CCP might well block it somehow, (c) 10000 copies have been sold in this region alone - massive supply, no demand.. and (d) I want to play the game properly, not cheat, so I won't buy them anyway.
Buying one or two copies could potentially have been a sensible 'just in case' step for some people, but 500 copies? - duh!
Even if the price HAD been put up by CCP, there were so many out there, they'd probably be selling at or around the 81k mark anyway afterwards, just for people to be able to get rid of them. The 80,000+ copies of the BPO bought recently would take MANY years to sell (probably a few hundred years..)
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:48:00 -
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Edited by: Quanteeri on 10/01/2006 14:49:14
Originally by: Summersnow
People didn't get scammed by a npc.
They got scammed by a Dev.
Bull****!!!
There were gangs of us on here yesterday and before forewarning people that this was a bad investment.
If you got caught on this, and are mad, you have no one to be mad at but yourself.
EDIT: ROFL!!! Stallowned!
CCP has even knows it. They've added the word BIGSHOT to the URL of my avatar. |
JoKane
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:48:00 -
[61]
lol, alot of people just got.... owned.
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Marcus Sovereign
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:48:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Barak Torginn
Do the people complaining that they didn't get free isk from this realise how stupid they look?
Seriously, I'm laughing my ass off here.
Do the people who are laughing their asses off at the expense of the rest of us realize how stupid THEY would look if the patch notes hadn't been changed? Think about it.
As somebody else posted, the reason that many of us tried to take advantage of this was because of the success that many who came before us have had with just such an "exploit". And it's not like we tried to go behind CCP's back with this. We asked about the "legality" of buying cheap BPOs to resell at the higher price.
Here's the response from Valar. (CCP developer)
So... laugh while the laughing is good. Those of us who "speculate" on the market lost this round. We've won many more rounds than we've lost. We'll win more in the future. (At least until CCP grabs a clue about not announcing changes like this through the patch notes or updates to SISI.)
"Never equate education with intelligence; nor intelligence with wisdom." - me
"A smart man learns from his own mistakes; a wise man learns from the mistakes of others." - also me |
Quanteeri
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:53:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Marcus Sovereign
Originally by: Barak Torginn
Do the people complaining that they didn't get free isk from this realise how stupid they look?
Seriously, I'm laughing my ass off here.
Do the people who are laughing their asses off at the expense of the rest of us realize how stupid THEY would look if the patch notes hadn't been changed? Think about it.
As somebody else posted, the reason that many of us tried to take advantage of this was because of the success that many who came before us have had with just such an "exploit". And it's not like we tried to go behind CCP's back with this. We asked about the "legality" of buying cheap BPOs to resell at the higher price.
Here's the response from Valar. (CCP developer)
So... laugh while the laughing is good. Those of us who "speculate" on the market lost this round. We've won many more rounds than we've lost. We'll win more in the future. (At least until CCP grabs a clue about not announcing changes like this through the patch notes or updates to SISI.)
Hey man, honestly, these may turn into a good longterm investment. It's just really funny now cause we know a bunch of peeps have already spent the money they thought they were going to make back on an investment opportunity that got blown wide open.
CCP has even knows it. They've added the word BIGSHOT to the URL of my avatar. |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:56:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Winterblink
Heh, this is great. Do it again, seriously.
Basically, you had a bunch of players who were looking to use a patch note item to make a huge wad of cash at other players' expenses. Next time maybe they'll learn to do it properly, in game, with actual competition instead of cheap tactics.
What's the matter, can't competetively sell your loot, ore, or manufactured items?
Yeah they should do stuff like this more often, hilarious. Made my day. And it's a good isk sink.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Sinari Galdrin
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:57:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Marcus Sovereign
Originally by: Barak Torginn
Do the people complaining that they didn't get free isk from this realise how stupid they look?
Seriously, I'm laughing my ass off here.
Do the people who are laughing their asses off at the expense of the rest of us realize how stupid THEY would look if the patch notes hadn't been changed? Think about it.
Hmm, yes, OK.
Let's think - 86,000 BPO (and counting) sold
80,000-ish players on Eve
Less than 10% (probably much less) of players use tractor beams - so about 0.5% of players would want a tractor beam BPO. So, that's about 400 BPOs needed
Assume that each owner of a BPO 'loses' it every year - that's about 215 years needed before all the BPOs bought over the last couple of days are sold.
Given that, I suspect that even if the BPOs WERE increased to 15 mill, the supply would be so big, and the demand so small, that the prices would come down to close to the original purchase price (and possibly go below it)
So - even if the patch notes hadn't been changed - ha ha..
There are far better, quicker and easier ways of making a profit!
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Koori
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Posted - 2006.01.10 14:58:00 -
[66]
I bought 30 of those BPOs just after RMR release.
It was quite obvious to me that the price will be changed.
I've invested the money and was waiting for profit :P
Too bad that it was announced in patch notes. Otherwise i would be rich :P
That was quite unfair to change it in last minutes... but still... those 2,5 millions don't hurt me so much :P
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:00:00 -
[67]
lmao owned to the max
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside
How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful |
Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:03:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Sinari Galdrin
There are far better, quicker and easier ways of making a profit!
Yes.Heres another one
Buy 50 large pos towers at 90mill
Sell a day later at 400mill a pop
Nice work if u can get it eh?
"May you die by the hand of a low life in real life for ruining the gaming experiance of others.Your scum and will never be anything better than the coward you are." |
Fester Addams
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:05:00 -
[69]
Just because the change didnt happen this patch does not meen they wont bring the price upp later.
That said I would like to add that anyone that belived they would make 100's of milions on them was really fooling himself, the market for the BPO's was weak before and wuld not have increased just because the BPO NPC price jumped.
I got myself 100 prints just incase the price did jump and lets face it I have taken harder hits than 8.1mil in earlier patches... besides I still have no doubt I will make the money back, its just a question of marketing.
I do however dont like the way CCP handled this, if the intent was to sucker people into wasting isk then it was a very stupid move, the patch notes have to have integrity, its not a place to set upp players and create isk sinks.
But then I very much belive the altered price will happen all the same just a tad later :)
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Sinari Galdrin
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:06:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Ginger Magician
Originally by: Sinari Galdrin
There are far better, quicker and easier ways of making a profit!
Yes.Heres another one
Buy 50 large pos towers at 90mill
Sell a day later at 400mill a pop
Were they BPOs? No
If it had been tractor beams that were going up in price, then it might have been sensible to invest in them - but not hundreds of BPOs.. That was plain daft.
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:06:00 -
[71]
Heh, I am SO glad I only purchased 5 BPOs
23? # Missile Tool # ex: P-TMC : USAC |
VeNT
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:11:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Amthrianius
owned
and they should make it so you don't need a 32mill isk skill to use em
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:13:00 -
[73]
The 40mill i ahve lost on thse bpos is a drop in the ocean for an old time player like me.I am not moaning about the loss of iks that is peanuts
The trust and integrity iussue is what i am complaining about and fester u will never get your isk back judging from the number of bpos that have been sold it is literally thousands and thousands.Tractor beam bpos will forever be worhtless on tq from now on.
"May you die by the hand of a low life in real life for ruining the gaming experiance of others.Your scum and will never be anything better than the coward you are." |
TheKiller8
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:20:00 -
[74]
Edited by: TheKiller8 on 10/01/2006 15:20:41
http://ccp4tw.ytmnd.com/
.: Click 2 See My Flash Animations :. |
Duraeli
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:20:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Marcus Sovereign
So... laugh while the laughing is good. Those of us who "speculate" on the market lost this round. We've won many more rounds than we've lost. We'll win more in the future. (At least until CCP grabs a clue about not announcing changes like this through the patch notes or updates to SISI.)
Yes, people who speculate on the market have made a fair amount of isk in the past. But that doesn't excuse people coming here and claiming they are going to petition on what is, essentially, insider information. You speculated, and the price didn't jump as much as you had thought...'nuff said.
Originally by: Sinari Galdrin
If it had been tractor beams that were going up in price, then it might have been sensible to invest in them - but not hundreds of BPOs.. That was plain daft.
QFT
You speculated on bpos that produce a product for which there is no real market.
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Lunas Feelgood
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:21:00 -
[76]
LMAO this is fun
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Rhonni Rhocket
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:22:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Ginger Magician
The 40mill i ahve lost on thse bpos is a drop in the ocean for an old time player like me.I am not moaning about the loss of iks that is peanuts
The trust and integrity iussue is what i am complaining about and fester u will never get your isk back judging from the number of bpos that have been sold it is literally thousands and thousands.Tractor beam bpos will forever be worhtless on tq from now on.
All you muppets crying about being left out of pocket after attempting a get rich quick scheme at the expense of others, please tell me exactly what part of the following quote you don't understand...
Originally by: from patch notes
Please note that the patch notes are still undergoing additions and changes as Quality Assurance on Red Moon Rising continues.
You took a financial gamble and lost. You people would have been the first to berate some sucker that was crying about having to pay 15 million isk for a BPO after the patch if the change hadn't been reversed.
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Duraeli
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:27:00 -
[78]
Originally by: TheKiller8
Edited by: TheKiller8 on 10/01/2006 15:20:41
http://ccp4tw.ytmnd.com/
Man, that's clutch...definitely going to save that pic. Thanks man.
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Alvara
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:28:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Rod Blaine
rofl.
Nice isk sink manouvre CCP, do stuff like that mroe often will you ?
I cant believe people would think that something this obvious and concerning a module that is definately not 'hot' would ever turn them a profit
I agree completely. Everyone and there mother bought one after RMR was released who cared to have one. Then built sufficient for their use.
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Marcus Sovereign
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:30:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Sinari Galdrin
Originally by: Ginger Magician
Originally by: Sinari Galdrin
There are far better, quicker and easier ways of making a profit!
Yes.Heres another one
Buy 50 large pos towers at 90mill
Sell a day later at 400mill a pop
Were they BPOs? No
If it had been tractor beams that were going up in price, then it might have been sensible to invest in them - but not hundreds of BPOs.. That was plain daft.
I highlighted the key word in your post. INVEST. Nobody who bought these BPOs thought that they were going to be able to turn them around quickly. (Nobody with half a brain, anyway.) These were purchased as LONG-TERM INVESTMENTS.
If I had been able to sell even ONE of those BPOs at a million isk less than the announced price, I would have been able to turn a profit of ~6m isk over my TOTAL investment. That would have left me with 99 more BPOs sitting in my hangar, and the last time I checked, BPOs weren't bio-degradable.
Now, if I could have sold each of those 99 BPOs for even half of the announced price, I would have made another 742.5m isk. That's 3/4's of a billion isk profit.
To put it in RL terms, if you were asked to invest a dollar today, with the possibility that you could earn up to $18,000+ in 5 years time, wouldn't you fork over that dollar? (Anybody who says "no" to this question is either a liar or a fool.)
"Never equate education with intelligence; nor intelligence with wisdom." - me
"A smart man learns from his own mistakes; a wise man learns from the mistakes of others." - also me |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:33:00 -
[81]
Originally by: TheKiller8
Edited by: TheKiller8 on 10/01/2006 15:20:41
http://ccp4tw.ytmnd.com/
The music does it for me... I listen to it and I can see the capering of these investors explaining how "honest" their actions really were.
/me goes back to watching the parade of clowns going by to the music!!!
Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
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Marcus Sovereign
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:34:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Duraeli
Originally by: Marcus Sovereign
So... laugh while the laughing is good. Those of us who "speculate" on the market lost this round. We've won many more rounds than we've lost. We'll win more in the future. (At least until CCP grabs a clue about not announcing changes like this through the patch notes or updates to SISI.)
Yes, people who speculate on the market have made a fair amount of isk in the past. But that doesn't excuse people coming here and claiming they are going to petition on what is, essentially, insider information. You speculated, and the price didn't jump as much as you had thought...'nuff said.
I realize that you only quoted me to make a point. I just want to go on record as saying that I haven't once, during this entire discussion, mentioned that I was planning on petitioning about this. Nor do I plan to. As you say, I speculated, and lost. It's the price I was willing to pay when I first bought the BPOs.
"Never equate education with intelligence; nor intelligence with wisdom." - me
"A smart man learns from his own mistakes; a wise man learns from the mistakes of others." - also me |
Rafein
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:44:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Rafein on 10/01/2006 15:48:02
Edited by: Rafein on 10/01/2006 15:46:04
Well, servers went down. Maybe they will raise the price during this small Downtime.
So every willtry to sell their extra BPO's. Which of course, still will not sell, because everyone already has a BPO
Edit: sides, there are supposed to be medium and large tractor beams coming, with more range. Probably make the smalls fairly obsolete.
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Maximus Wolf
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:44:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Rhonni Rhocket
Originally by: Nelson Muntz
"HA HA"
Signed....
I saw Death today, he was riding a torpedo, but he didn't see me ! |
DirtyAmarr
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:45:00 -
[85]
Originally by: TheKiller8
Edited by: TheKiller8 on 10/01/2006 15:20:41
http://ccp4tw.ytmnd.com/
Finally a good eve ytmnd
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Beridox Raul
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Posted - 2006.01.10 15:48:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Duraeli
Originally by: TheKiller8
Edited by: TheKiller8 on 10/01/2006 15:20:41
http://ccp4tw.ytmnd.com/
Man, that's clutch...definitely going to save that pic. Thanks man.
It just had to be Ginger 
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Navek Krone
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:00:00 -
[87]
CCP have not done anything underhand, all you ppl saying "What happened to trust" and "i wont believe what they say in patch notes again" are lame !
The patch notes are there for INFO only they are just letting the comunity know what the patch is going to address as long as it works it will be implemented it does not say this list is set in stone...
The only ppl to blame are those who thought they could rip other players off....
all they see is $$$$$ and ll they hear is 'cha ching'
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Lisa Run
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:00:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Lisa Run on 10/01/2006 16:06:14
I agree that it was really a good joke from CCP. 
I was thinking myself about buying a few and selling them extremly cheap before the majority does it or bringin' a few to 0.0 and selling them there for a few million. But I dind't do it. It was also clear that a lot of people would try that.
It was also known since the pos tower gambling, that CCP doesn't like these sorts of trades.
Well, I'm a bit astonished that CCP really 'brings' this. But well, funny like I said. Was my first laugh today after I switched on my computer.
edit: In short, you tried to gamble in a dirty game and lost. Now take it like a man !
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Kemuel
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:00:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Marcus Sovereign
Originally by: Duraeli
Originally by: Marcus Sovereign
So... laugh while the laughing is good. Those of us who "speculate" on the market lost this round. We've won many more rounds than we've lost. We'll win more in the future. (At least until CCP grabs a clue about not announcing changes like this through the patch notes or updates to SISI.)
Yes, people who speculate on the market have made a fair amount of isk in the past. But that doesn't excuse people coming here and claiming they are going to petition on what is, essentially, insider information. You speculated, and the price didn't jump as much as you had thought...'nuff said.
I realize that you only quoted me to make a point. I just want to go on record as saying that I haven't once, during this entire discussion, mentioned that I was planning on petitioning about this. Nor do I plan to. As you say, I speculated, and lost. It's the price I was willing to pay when I first bought the BPOs.
Um, on a totally unrelated topic.... both of "your" quotes in your sig are in fact attributed to either an old chinese saying or simply have no author.. and of course are very old.
Just making sure you knew that :) |
Marcus Sovereign
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:08:00 -
[90]
Edited by: Marcus Sovereign on 10/01/2006 16:13:08
Quote:
Um, on a totally unrelated topic.... both of "your" quotes in your sig are in fact attributed to either an old chinese saying or simply have no author.. and of course are very old.
Just making sure you knew that :)
It's been said that there are no more "original thoughts", since everything that can be said has already been said. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that something similar to my taglines is out there. If they can be attributed to a published author, then I will gladly give credit where credit is due. If you can point me to the source, I will be happy to change the reference.
Until then, however, since I didn't purposely or knowingly plagiarize any written works that I am aware of, I will leave the reference as is.
*edited to correct a formatting error
"Never equate education with intelligence; nor intelligence with wisdom." - me
"A smart man learns from his own mistakes; a wise man learns from the mistakes of others." - also me |
Miramax
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:22:00 -
[91]
so ccp did this why?
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Ayla Vanir
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:24:00 -
[92]
Ok, some of the replies are off-the-mark, imo.
Using information provided on Sisi, patch notes, or similar out-of-game venues to manipulate the in-game market destroys the trust of the legitimate players that don't go out of their way to exploit. It boggles my mind that the scammers are complaining about this.
It's bordering on an exploit to have done what was done, and frankly you (collectively, directed at the speculators) should be thankful your accounts aren't under review for the exploitation ban-hammer. That's my 2 cents. If CCP caves to such complaints and reverses the pricing decision in any way, they can then answer to the balance of the player population.
It's one thing to allow scamming - it's a completely different thing for development and GM teams to actively promote using out-of-game data/knowledge (patch notes) or tools/systems (Sisi) for exploitative purposes. Thankfully, I'm (nearly) certain CCP won't reverse this change.
Finally, it's been written before by the devs, but patch notes are *always* subject to change.
Escrow Market Revamp
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MR SC0UT
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:25:00 -
[93]
thats so funny. how dumb can people be
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Zell
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:27:00 -
[94]
Originally by: TheKiller8
Edited by: TheKiller8 on 10/01/2006 15:20:41
http://ccp4tw.ytmnd.com/
OMG!!!
You owe me for a new coffe soaked keyboard!!
"Ginger Magician is just a nublet. I've met more people ingame that have laughed about him, than anyone else in Eve."
"A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once.." |
elFarto
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:28:00 -
[95]
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Heh, I am SO glad I only purchased 5 BPOs
I bought 15 before christmas when I first knew about this. Now if CCP had kept their big mouth shout, I'd have 150mil (I intended to sell them for 10mil a pop).
Regards
elFarto
Stratego > 2005.10.22 14:15:17 combat Imperium Alliance petitions you, glancing off causing no real damage. |
Minsc
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:56:00 -
[96]
Anyone who is *****ing that you lost millions on this and are blaming CCP, just stop. Even if they had of changed the price of the bpo up to 15 mill you STILL wouldn't have been able to sell them because there are no more of the BPO sold than there are subscribers. You bought a cheap bpo for an undemanded module and your greed came back to bite you in the ass. End of story.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:04:00 -
[97]
I have 1 of these BPO's.
I'll use it.
That's not the issue.
The issue is the mockery this makes of patch notes. I formally withdraw my statement about liking Valar's patch notes.
I'm getting to the point where I feel I need to personally verify everything in the game I do still works after a patch (as well as anything in the patch notes which might possibly affect me). Sigh.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
"Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |
Witch Doctor
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:05:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Ginger Magician
Originally by: dodge2005
soooo, does anyone want to buy one (or more) tractor beam bpo's.
Will we be able to sell them back to npc's?
The is answer is no im afraid.BPOS are not bought back by npcs.This has all been a cruel joke on the player base and the bpos that have been purchased since this was anounced in patch notes r now basically worthless.
I have about 500 i will sell for 20k each if any one wants them mail me ingame
Can't ... hold ... it ... in ...
This summarizes what CCP just did to Ginger and all the amateur noob scammers.
Nice to see Karma is alive and well in Eve.
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Until we get our sig machine back, here is a short comedic break:
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
I rock your world Ushra'khan 
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Flyyn
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:17:00 -
[99]
I bought one, got it in the lab, researched it, made copies, and dont need to buy another. Honestly folks, playing inside information really is bad for you.
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ElStudious
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:19:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Ginger Magician
The 40mill i ahve lost on thse bpos is a drop in the ocean for an old time player like me.I am not moaning about the loss of iks that is peanuts
The trust and integrity iussue is what i am complaining about and fester u will never get your isk back judging from the number of bpos that have been sold it is literally thousands and thousands.Tractor beam bpos will forever be worhtless on tq from now on.
Dude... Did you actually read the patch notes? Take a look right at the bottom, where it always is:
"Please note that the patch notes are still undergoing additions and changes as Quality Assurance on Red Moon Rising continues. Items recently added to the patch notes will be in italics." (emphasis mine)
This is a change that has occurred to the patch, thats all.
Thats a disclaimer saying the patch notes are liable for changes.
See how they nicely tie in together there?
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Dagam
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:23:00 -
[101]
Quote:
Patchnotes updated. We cancelled change of the Small Tractor Beam blueprint base price.
HAHAHAHAH
I didn't buy any of those BPOs and I knew about it. HAHAHA just feels good to get that out
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Tomas Nuerin
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:31:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Clytamnestra
This is like when people used the lottery number from the TV-show Lost, to play the real lottery.
Shhh....
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Kane LeBaiton
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:32:00 -
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I wanted a BPO for personal use anyway, bought 10 of them, will suck it up and pass the other 9 to future corp members... *shrug*...
It's only 810k, omg i'll never recover!!11oneeleventy
Originally by: Witch Doctor
...and all the amateur noob scammers.
Aww come on, don't tell me you'll pass on every possibly profitable business opportunity you'll see.. .. Karma my behind!..
Kane
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Tomas Nuerin
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Sovereign
2. Many players (myself included) went out and purchased a ton of the BPOs at the old price, in the hopes that they could be sold after the patch for a tidy profit.
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Spathi
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:38:00 -
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I said it yesterday that the bpo change would bite many people in the ass. Thankfully I decided it would never pay off (even long term) and talked my corp mates out of doing it.
With the volume of blueprints being snatched up, there would be far too many people with an excessive amount to sell after the change. Since there wasnt that much of a demand for them to start they would probably never all sell. Long term investment? Well, unless you sell more than just a couple of these you're not gonna get the payback. I'm guessing with the excessive volume of these now floating around, people will be putting them back on the market at 1isk less than npc pricing. I always expected people would eventually level the price out very low because of this excessive availability.
Reading the patchnotes and seeing potential profit making from changes is one thing, and I have no issues with it. But anyone who knows how to invest would know that the tractor beams were never gonna be a multi-billion isk market. Plus with the market history for yesterday alone and the threads on the forums, you knew the market was gonna be flooded. I doubt anyone who got stung by this can honestly tell me you expected to make much profit off this at all. Someone else would always undercut your prices to get more sales so the prices would level off back at the pre-change npc prices. I mean come on, in essence since RMR release, only 919 tractor beam bpos have been bought. Yet 2165, 6752 and 1314 were snatched up the 3 days before patchday. Flooded.
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Numeram
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Tomas Nuerin
Originally by: Marcus Sovereign
2. Many players (myself included) went out and purchased a ton of the BPOs at the old price, in the hopes that they could be sold after the patch for a tidy profit.
Did you even bothered to check how much of these bpo's were sold for "old" price before buying tons of them?
Look people, there is no issue about trust, no backstabbing, no nothing. Patch notes are temporary and under constant review.
Secondly, read up.
Everyone with half a brain knew two days ago this was not going to be a repeat of the pos tower thing. Checking market history is quite easy and quite obvious. Wether CCP retracted this change or not is of no consequence to those that thought they'd make a profit from them. The number of bpo's sold shoudl have already made clear to all bu the first few buyers that there was never going to be any profit at all.
Sorry, but this thread is utterly redundant other then beign a good laugh.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:59:00 -
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Meh.
It was worth investing a spare 8mill on the off chance that this would turn a profit. The only reason anyone would have for complaining, lies in the fact that other people have been treated differently, by being allowed to stockpile things pre-patch and then take advantage of the price change; anybody stockpiling bpo's has not been allowed to do that.
And, yes, the only way to eliminate this sort of foolishness is to not tinker with prices on SiSi If the price of something is going to change dramatically, then NOBODY should know that until after the patch. Anything else is bound to be unfair to someone.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Sovereign
To put it in RL terms, if you were asked to invest a dollar today, with the possibility that you could earn up to $18,000+ in 5 years time, wouldn't you fork over that dollar? (Anybody who says "no" to this question is either a liar or a fool.)
Oh dear.
We're going off at a bit of a tangent I'm afraid, but ... oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
It's because people like you say things like this that so many scammers make money. It's "only a dollar" from each of twenty thousand people; that's $20,000 just for telling people that if they give you a dollar it mightperhapsmaybeoneday make them rich.
If it sounds too good to be true, it *IS* too good to be true; it's not true. Don't give the scammers your money, even if it is only one dollar.
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Marcus Sovereign
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tomas Nuerin
Originally by: Marcus Sovereign
2. Many players (myself included) went out and purchased a ton of the BPOs at the old price, in the hopes that they could be sold after the patch for a tidy profit.
Did you even bothered to check how much of these bpo's were sold for "old" price before buying tons of them?
Actually, yes, I did. Let's recap, shall we?
1. CCP makes a public announcement, through the patch notes, that the small tractor beam BPO prices are going to be raised from 81k to 15m.
2. Upon reading this (within an hour of the notes going up) I hit the market, check the history, and make the decision to buy 100 BPOs as a long-term investment.
3. A few "helpful" players decide that, for the betterment of the EVE community, they need to alert as many people to this "exploit" as possible.
4. Hundreds of players, upon seeing the posts from the "helpful" players, also run out and buy up BPOs.
5. CCP, realizing that they've made a huge mistake by making such a change public, frantically backpedals and removes the change in pricing from the patch.
I think that about sums it up.
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000Hunter000
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:16:00 -
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LMAO!!! i adviced my corpmates to buy atleast 1, but i also adviced them that cause it is in the patchnote everybodies mother will do the same, so don't use it as a speculation product but just buy the 1.
pretty cruel joke there ccp hehe
well atleast we didn't get *insert bad word here* with the ram's, atleast the pbo is cheap and the rams can be produced at a reasonable price, tbh i fully expected the bpo to cost millions and the ram production costs as well so i was pleasantly surprised
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Gerome Doutrande
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:17:00 -
[111]
Quite funny.
Good luck with your sales, gentlemen.
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Marcus Sovereign
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:18:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Marcus Sovereign
To put it in RL terms, if you were asked to invest a dollar today, with the possibility that you could earn up to $18,000+ in 5 years time, wouldn't you fork over that dollar? (Anybody who says "no" to this question is either a liar or a fool.)
Oh dear.
We're going off at a bit of a tangent I'm afraid, but ... oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
It's because people like you say things like this that so many scammers make money. It's "only a dollar" from each of twenty thousand people; that's $20,000 just for telling people that if they give you a dollar it mightperhapsmaybeoneday make them rich.
If it sounds too good to be true, it *IS* too good to be true; it's not true. Don't give the scammers your money, even if it is only one dollar.
To make your concerns valid, you would have to equate CCP with the con artist you're referencing. It was, after all, CCP devs who posted the change on the patch notes. It was, after all, a CCP dev who said that buying BPOs at the low price and then selling them for a higher price was perfectly acceptable. (or, at least, that's what was inferred by Valar in this thread. (see post #5)
I can certainly understand and sympathize with the animosity that is being strewn about in this thread... but I believe it's a tad misdirected.
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Tiny Carlos
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:21:00 -
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Pld ccp
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Suya
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:37:00 -
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I bought 2 hoping to sell one for 10mil. Nice and easy profit.
I considered buying 20 BPO for 1.6kmil and maybe selling them for 5mil each but I honestly did not think they would shift has so many people knew about it and tractor beams are not something that is normally lost in PVP. They are used by mission runners on there hauling ships. One module would last a lifetime
If anyone bought more than 20BPO, he must be an idiot as i do not even think they would shift evn if the price was at 15mil each
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Daniel Jacks0n
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:39:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Marcus Sovereign
Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Marcus Sovereign
To put it in RL terms, if you were asked to invest a dollar today, with the possibility that you could earn up to $18,000+ in 5 years time, wouldn't you fork over that dollar? (Anybody who says "no" to this question is either a liar or a fool.)
Oh dear.
We're going off at a bit of a tangent I'm afraid, but ... oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
It's because people like you say things like this that so many scammers make money. It's "only a dollar" from each of twenty thousand people; that's $20,000 just for telling people that if they give you a dollar it mightperhapsmaybeoneday make them rich.
If it sounds too good to be true, it *IS* too good to be true; it's not true. Don't give the scammers your money, even if it is only one dollar.
To make your concerns valid, you would have to equate CCP with the con artist you're referencing. It was, after all, CCP devs who posted the change on the patch notes. It was, after all, a CCP dev who said that buying BPOs at the low price and then selling them for a higher price was perfectly acceptable. (or, at least, that's what was inferred by Valar in this thread. (see post #5)
I can certainly understand and sympathize with the animosity that is being strewn about in this thread... but I believe it's a tad misdirected.
and if people did read the responds in that thread people would know that it was no isk button, and if people would think before buying they would also know by themselfs its a smal market wich most people alrdy having the bpo. but ooh wel good try to get rich to who tryed it. yust dont send lame petitions about it and giving devs even more work as they allrdy have atm
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Well, I'd think loads of people will buy the BPOs before the patch. Put them up after the patch for a higher amount. However, since demand for the BPOs will probably be way lower then the supply, there is not that much ISK being made from it.
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:55:00 -
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Hahaha.
I bought a few on the assumption that I didnt have one and I could give a few of them away post-patch or something.
Too funny for the people who bought 10k. You got what you deserved.
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Tas Devil on 10/01/2006 19:02:12
80,000 accounts... some idiot bought 10k BPO's in Lonetrek alone... what he had a brilliant business plan of selling 1 BPO to every 8 players in eve ? I'm sure you get my point...
This is rather funny...althought I do find its poor on CCP's part, the total Dumb de Dumbs who fell for it got what they deserved !
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Kharakan
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Kharakan on 10/01/2006 19:05:53
Originally by: MR SC0UT
thats so funny. how dumb can people be
*hem hem*
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Originally by: ParMizaN
evry1ghasb a limiy...
...and ijust reached it ahaha...
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Sal'Mari N'yssa
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:12:00 -
[119]
This is a SOE tactic used many times in SWG...
Nuff Said
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Sovereign
We're going off at a bit of a tangent I'm afraid, but ... oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
It's because people like you say things like this that so many scammers make money. It's "only a dollar" from each of twenty thousand people; that's $20,000 just for telling people that if they give you a dollar it mightperhapsmaybeoneday make them rich.
If it sounds too good to be true, it *IS* too good to be true; it's not true. Don't give the scammers your money, even if it is only one dollar.
To make your concerns valid, you would have to equate CCP with the con artist you're referencing.
My concerns don't relate to the Tractor Beam bpo incident, but the IRL equivalent. Which is why I pointed out that I was going off on a bit of a tangent. I was kind of hoping that people would actually read the post before commenting about it - foolish of me. I've been here long enough to know better.
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Zolofine
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:33:00 -
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ROFLMAO
OMG CCP OWNS YOU!
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Big BillyBob
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:40:00 -
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Oho, this is too funny.
I feel for all you people that invested a few measly isk on these BPOs to try and profit in real easy, really I do.
...naaah who am I kiddin', I couldn't care less. Shame on you for trying to exploit a screwed up market! Shame shame shame!
/laughs his ass off
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Semkhet
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:44:00 -
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Gamblers gambled, and lost. Now, instead of swallowing your bad fortune with honor, some are moaning like spoiled kids.
Stupidity is a privilege you shall not abuse.
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Serilla
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:52:00 -
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WTB: 1x tractor beam bpo for 5k isk.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:57:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Nelson Muntz
"HA HA"
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Erfnam
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:34:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Serilla
WTB: 1x tractor beam bpo for 5k isk.
Hey, don't challenge my buy orders! :P I posted them up in Lonetrek and Forge a few hours ago. Anyone wanting to instantly recoupe some of their money, feel free to offload them to me. :)
Since RMR was released, I've bought a few of these little gems. From the few that i was copying & building, I made a lot from selling copies and built modules. The patch notes completely killed copies as a source of revenue and the module market wasn't very good. I knew the market was dead so I bought a few more after the patch notes in the hopes of turning a profit over the next year, but that seems to be dead. Oh wait, I did turn a profit off the ones I bought after the patch notes. nvm! :P
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:37:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: Nelson Muntz
"HA HA"
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Vishnej
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Posted - 2006.01.10 20:39:00 -
[128]
Edited by: Vishnej on 10/01/2006 20:41:18
Originally by: Clytamnestra
This is like when people used the lottery number from the TV-show Lost, to play the real lottery.
Thereby dooming their ship to be the only thing surviving any fleetop they join.
Managed to actually turn a profit on these, after putting them up late last night for 12k more than I paid. Greed + market tips 4tw.
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Shugo Kazuma
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Posted - 2006.01.10 21:20:00 -
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I don't see why people are complainning, I mean really, CCP is more than likely going to eventually raise the prices anyhow to be more in line with the other BPOs. But with the shear quantity in the market, prices will remain low for quite a while.
Personally I would never buy more than 25 of any item who's price "may" change sometime, announced or otherwise. People buying hundreds of these can probably affoard to take a small loss anyhow.
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Ky Vatta
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Posted - 2006.01.10 22:29:00 -
[130]
Who needs Tractor Beams?? Only the lazy...
The Graviton Physics mass buy-up was bad enough: That is why people don`t buy tractor beams...
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Skva
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Posted - 2006.01.10 22:36:00 -
[131]
Anybody fancy buying twenty tractor beam BPOS? :P
Oh well, only got burned for a little over a mil lol.
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Regel
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Posted - 2006.01.10 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
The is answer is no im afraid.BPOS are not bought back by npcs.This has all been a cruel joke on the player base and the bpos that have been purchased since this was anounced in patch notes r now basically worthless.
I have about 500 i will sell for 20k each if any one wants them mail me ingame
Sure Ginger just escrow some and I'll come pick them up in Hagilur. :)
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Galifardeua
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Posted - 2006.01.10 23:09:00 -
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I just wanted to buy 10 as an investment that wouldn't cost me much. I got greedy and bought 100 with almost all my money. I got burned, I've grown wiser (or so I hope). And luckily I have already reached enough standing for some level 4, and I might recoup it quite easily (but with time, as courier missions is what I do).
Now, if only the only damned physics skill that I lack wasn't so expensive I might have use for one of these. The one I bought long ago when I saw it was much cheaper the BPO than the equipment.
Lesson: Don't be greedy!
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implanted
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Posted - 2006.01.10 23:11:00 -
[134]
Absolute classic.....extemely funny stuff.
sSo the greedy finaly got there comeupance.
Nice.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.11 00:09:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Spy4Hire
For me, I will petition their lame little joke.
Go for it, but you're not getting anything back. It's simply you're fault for doing some selective reading regarding patch notes. To whine/petition for a reimbursement is just pathetic.
I bought 10 BPOs, and I'll probably find something fun/random to do with the 9 I won't use. I'm not going to cry about being down 1mil isk when I can make that back 5-fold doing a lvl 3 GE.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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MysticNZ
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Posted - 2006.01.11 00:13:00 -
[136]
I bought 10... but I knew they would reverse this... it's not like the control tower episode.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.01.11 00:21:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: Nelson Muntz
"HA HA"
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Originally by: Abdalion
Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
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DeGrand
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Posted - 2006.01.11 00:21:00 -
[138]
ROFLMAO!!
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.11 00:34:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Kemuel
Originally by: Marcus Sovereign
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Um, on a totally unrelated topic.... both of "your" quotes in your sig are in fact attributed to either an old chinese saying or simply have no author.. and of course are very old.
Just making sure you knew that :)
It reminds me of the sig where someone's quoting Abraham Lincoln saying a famous quote of Socrates(?) or some other philosopher.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Spartan III
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: Spartan III on 11/01/2006 01:50:08
Edited by: Spartan III on 11/01/2006 01:49:09
At least i only bought 8 mill worth
[Edit] And my corpmate bought 5 mill worth (he told me about the price change POST-PATCH this morning...)
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Bongo Smith
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
The issue is the mockery this makes of patch notes. I formally withdraw my statement about liking Valar's patch notes.
I'm getting to the point where I feel I need to personally verify everything in the game I do still works after a patch (as well as anything in the patch notes which might possibly affect me). Sigh.
Huh? Go read the patch notes AFTER THE PATCH. I did. No mention of a price hike for Tractor Beam BPO. I believe this to be true. I suspect the patch notes are 100% accurate. Now, that is. Before the patch, they're SUBJECT TO CHANGE.
So instead of verifying everything in the game after the patch, why not just read the patch notes after the patch? The patch notes tell you what was changed in the patch. Note the past tense.
sigh.
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Syrec
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Posted - 2006.01.11 01:51:00 -
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lmao!
I bought 5 because the BPO icon looks great in my hangar. I get more than 500k for crappy named modules that drop off frig rats. It was worth the investment to be able to look in my hangar and say 'hey, I remember when everyone in EVE bought a bunch of useless BPOs thinking they could make lots of ISK.'
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Jaleean Atheria
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Posted - 2006.01.11 02:33:00 -
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This makes a mockery of the patch notes? Something that it is stated very clearly is tentative?
Hardly
This was the right thing to do. Anyone who bought multitudes of these with the intent to exploit the change (its not like they didnt know what they were doing.) Deserved this. Hell I think they deserved to be able to sell their BPOs then have the isk removed by a GM. It was an exploit that they closed before it happened.
BTW: Had they not announced the change then made it you all know you would have come in here whining about them not announceing the change. Don't pretend to say that you would not because you would.
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Qutsemnie
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Posted - 2006.01.11 02:38:00 -
[144]
Edited by: Qutsemnie on 11/01/2006 02:43:32
There is nothing in this for CCP and if they thought there was then they didnt think logically. Though i give them credit and think those that are regarding it as a way to remove isk from the system are either wrong or reading way to much into it.
The only way this could be a clever ploy by CCP to remove isk from the system is if they stated the original price increase with the intent to cause a run. The not changing the price after the fact doesnt change anything.
Either way players are going to cut the NPC price now for X amount of quantity. They were going to cut it at a higher price before and they are going to cut it at the lower price now. Either way it will be X amount of quantity before the NPCs start removing isk from the game again. The amount of isk that has been removed from the game at this point in time exist without respect to whether or not CCP decided to increase in the price. Same amount have been purchased and the same amount have to be sold before NPCs are going to get in at their default rate.
So ignoring the idea that CCP planted this to create a run. Then the only two reasons a perfectly reasoned CCP would do this is because
a) they liked the old price better
b) they wanted to burn speculators.
c) they didnt get to it yet
On b) i doubt seriously they would go out of their way to burn speculators at the expense of what they believe is the best overall game decision. Now they will be even cheaper while the flood clears out and if they hadnt reversed their decision that would just be silly to steer into out of spite. So I reject that.
On c) they hadnt got to it in this patch. Who knows.
In the end im reasonably sure about 3 things.
1) If the price change had went through then because this was so over hyped the speculators would have learned a hard lesson about the concept of "present value of money". When your dealing with 50 other yahoos each with a stack of 100 and they all want to recoup their cost it would have took months to show what looked like a worthwhile profit. All of you had the same bottom line. EAch of you knows what the others bottom line is and only the most patient people would have shown the NPC value of BPO. The rest of you would have got something from slightly below your intial cost to below the BPO value with far to much jockying for position for anyones taste im sure.
2) No amount of isk was being created as it all would have come from other players. Though the "potential" for making isk seems large to anyone individual; in comparison to the economies interupted sink potential, the interupted BPO was a minor item in a very large economy.
3) In regards to quotes like this: "The only ppl to blame are those who thought they could rip other players off...." Ehhh rip them off by saving them money? In the end all this speculation could have done was keep people from paying an increased BPO price from NPC. And while other players might have made money for having the patiences or boredom to ignore their present value of isk long enough to have it tied up in this speculation in the end they were doing other players a SERVICE and not a disservice.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.01.11 02:41:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Bongo Smith
Originally by: Maya Rkell
The issue is the mockery this makes of patch notes. I formally withdraw my statement about liking Valar's patch notes.
I'm getting to the point where I feel I need to personally verify everything in the game I do still works after a patch (as well as anything in the patch notes which might possibly affect me). Sigh.
Huh? Go read the patch notes AFTER THE PATCH. I did. No mention of a price hike for Tractor Beam BPO. I believe this to be true. I suspect the patch notes are 100% accurate. Now, that is. Before the patch, they're SUBJECT TO CHANGE.
Subject to change | lying.
Dev comment quite likely required. I don't think it was deliverate, but I'd like that confirmed.
Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
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Robinete Broadhead
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Posted - 2006.01.11 02:53:00 -
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This is funny; I did buy 10 Tractor Beam BPOs based on the patch notes. So much for getting that new BS I was going to get with my profits.
But with all the problems CCP has had since they moved into the new offices, I truly believe the forgot to have gotten the elves approval first. It was their office and I don't think they liked CCP moving in. The elves were the ones that snuck the BPO prices in the notes, which CCP had to correct, and the elves are the ones that missed up the font in RMR.
Please CCP, make peace with the elves
And Please, Please feed the Hamsters.
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Gamer4liff
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Posted - 2006.01.11 03:31:00 -
[147]
Looks like the gold diggers just got the shaft!
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2006.01.11 03:45:00 -
[148]
Let me explain this:
Step 1: Tractor Beam BPOs have a bugged price
Step 2: Fix added to patchnotes
Step 3: 50k BPOs are sold in 48 houts
Step 4: There is now no reason to increase the price
Step 5: HAHAHA OWNED
No conspiricy. No prior planning. Just an obvious response to a situation that occured not because there was an abusable price change, but because it was so cheap that every random moron could get in on it (and did).
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Posted - 2006.01.11 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Robinete Broadhead
This is funny; I did buy 10 Tractor Beam BPOs based on the patch notes. So much for getting that new BS I was going to get with my profits.
You wouldn't have been able to buy a new BS with the profits. In many main regions over 15,000 of these sold within the past few days. I'd guess somewhere between 100,000 and 150,000 of these sold in total.
The huge supply would lead to major undercutting. People would be selling them at bare minimum prices. You would probably have to wait over a year if you wanted to make the kind of profit you are talking about.
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Aiden Carlyle
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Posted - 2006.01.11 04:28:00 -
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Tractor beams would be a helluva lot more popular if the stupid skill required to use them weren't NPC/agent obtainable ONLY, and the eve-verse as a whole wasn't being extorted by people who mark them up to 50+ mil.
Bring the skillbook availability in line and I think people would find it much easier to sell these very cool and very useful modules.
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Calshim
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Posted - 2006.01.11 04:46:00 -
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Well this had made a boring night at work much much more enjoyable...this is just to frikin funny...
"A fool and his money are soon parted"
OMG that is soooo true in this case
played CCP !
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Orree
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Posted - 2006.01.11 05:11:00 -
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Sometimes market speculation doesn't work out in a positive manner for the speculator.
Welcome to the real world. lol
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Kerushi
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Posted - 2006.01.11 05:26:00 -
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this is funny
put my few bpo`s at 50k each to annoy some of the speculators and guess what, they all sold within a trip to the airport
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Ricdic
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Posted - 2006.01.11 06:33:00 -
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Nice work CCP
I bought 200 of these just before the patch. After missing out on the POS inflation, I figured it was a long-shot, but worth the risk. I dont see this as an exploit in any way.
It would be like Microsoft planning to bring out a new version of windows with zero bugs (Yeh right) and the best OS to date.
People would see this statement from Microsoft, and fork out for shares in the company, expecting a big market jump from the Software Giants.
At the last minute, Microsoft finds that its bug-free OS is just as buggy as all their other OS's, so sends out a press release stating that they were wrong, and the OS is no better than the rest.
Hundreds/Thousands of investors are spewing about this, as they find out that there has been no change in the stock market for Microsoft, and there is no predictable change for the future.
Above is the way that I see the situation. Not as an exploit, but as an investment risk. While I lost 16.2 million isk, I had the potential of making 3.6 billion isk. Just like everything else in game, Risk Vs Reward has come into play again.
I have lost a few isk, and it doesnt matter. The funds are easily made back, but this is how Eve works. Throughout the entire time I have been playing, players have hung on the words of CCP, and made business decisions based on the public information provided.
Hell, when I heard that 1 run of mjolinor torpedo's was being switched from 10 to 100 units, I also cashed in on that. It is not scamming or exploiting, it is simple reading the signs, just like anyone who plays the stockmarket would.
I missed out this time round. <****> happens.
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Posted - 2006.01.11 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: ALUN
Originally by: Azuriel Talloth
Originally by: Rhonni Rhocket
Originally by: Nelson Muntz
"HA HA"
Couldn't have said it better myself!
QFT
Suckers
LOL serves Ya right
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Posted - 2006.01.11 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rhonni Rhocket
Originally by: Nelson Muntz
"HA HA"
This about sums it up. All you folks that tried to take advantage of something in game just got PWNED!!!
Time to suck it up and learn the lesson. Don't try to take advantage of CCPs changes again. Good lesson to be learned.
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Grash Freedom
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Posted - 2006.01.11 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: Grash Freedom on 11/01/2006 10:15:17
Edited by: Grash Freedom on 11/01/2006 10:14:03
Originally by: Marcus Sovereign
Originally by: Barak Torginn
Do the people complaining that they didn't get free isk from this realise how stupid they look?
Seriously, I'm laughing my ass off here.
Do the people who are laughing their asses off at the expense of the rest of us realize how stupid THEY would look if the patch notes hadn't been changed? Think about it.
As somebody else posted, the reason that many of us tried to take advantage of this was because of the success that many who came before us have had with just such an "exploit". And it's not like we tried to go behind CCP's back with this. We asked about the "legality" of buying cheap BPOs to resell at the higher price.
Here's the response from Valar. (CCP developer)
So... laugh while the laughing is good. Those of us who "speculate" on the market lost this round. We've won many more rounds than we've lost. We'll win more in the future. (At least until CCP grabs a clue about not announcing changes like this through the patch notes or updates to SISI.)
You have no idea of how market works my friend,
You bought a cheap BPO that everybody had easy access, a BPO(this thing last forever) that cost 81k, with the hope that you will sell it for 15mils,
well that's a good idea, but not for this module, the Control tower was a smart move, do you wanna know why?
Fact 1:Control towers where too pricy: 25 mils- 100 mils pre-RMR
Fact 2:Control towers are more pricy now: 100 mils- 360 mils
A)not many had the ability to buy a lot of towers,
B)you must be stupid to spent more than 1 bil in speculation
in which(for that case) C) even if the price of the towers didn't change at least you had the actuall tower and you could sell it just under market price with minimum loss
D)CT's are destroyable, and people will need more towers sooner or later
E)How can you consider buying this bpo in masses smart move??? 81k suscriber eve has, and according to market history 100k of this bpos sold!! Thats more than 1:1 ratio which means that everybody has to buy not just one but 2 or even 3,
F)Even if 81k suscribers where thirsty enough for this bpo, the competition is just to high, and believe me the BPO NPC price might had change to 15 mils, but the demand if it is much lower than supply(100k BPOS in that case) then the player price within a week would have reached the current market price
i can talk and talk and talk about how market works, but i think you got my point
well you played and lost, but plz do not whine
Thats life
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Sinari Galdrin
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Posted - 2006.01.11 13:44:00 -
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Don't people read???
I just looked at the market details for the small tractor beam BPO in Lonetrek
Guess what I found...
Sell orders for:
- 100 off at 13,500,000 in Nonni
- 15 off at 3,000,000 in Sobaseki
- 10 off at 2,500,000 in Kakakela
- 10 off at 2,500,000 in Umokka
What must the brokers' fees have been for these (well, without any skills, the 13M one would have been about 1.3M brokers fee plus the same sales tax - I think you get back sales tax if you cancel the sell order, but not brokers fees). What a waste of money..
Ignoring the fact that someone "invested" 8 mill in these worthless BPOs, they then wasted another 1.3 mill on trying to sell them at an impossible price
It could be someone hopeing someone accidentally just buys the cheapest in station - except for the fact that NPCs are at the SAME stations in Nonni & Sobaseki for 81k
Duh..
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Feta Solamnia
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Posted - 2006.01.11 14:27:00 -
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let me exactly express my thoughs:
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAH
Originally by: Oveur
I have access to all market data. Believe me, we have not reached anything close to deflation yet.
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Marcus Sovereign
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Posted - 2006.01.11 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Grash Freedom
You have no idea of how market works my friend
You assume too much.
Now, as a complete aside, my friend and I were hashing over this whole BPO fiasco last night, and here's what we came up with.
1. CCP made a booboo when they released RMR; they left a couple of zeroes off of the price of the Small Tractor Beam BPOs; they were probably meant to originally be sold for 8,100,000 isk, instead of 81,000 isk.
2. As a result of this error, it's cheaper for any player who wants to own a tractor beam to just buy the BPO and build it for himself, rather than buying one off of the market. This is the complete opposite of every other item in the game (that I am aware of). In all other cases, the BPO costs ~10 more than the item sells for on the market. This keeps the purchase and copying of Blueprints within the realm of the Builders and Researchers, as it should be, since it doesn't pay for a player to buy the BPO and build the item for himself.
3. To fix this error, CCP decided to change the market price for this BPO. That's when they made their SECOND mistake. They announced the change publicly.
Now, one thing that people have to remember is that not everybody is "reactive" in this game. The more savvy (and financially successful) players are "proactive". Many of these proactive players, upon seeing the obvious error in the BPO pricing, snatched up a bunch of BPOs in the hopes that CCP would make the NEEDED change to the pricing.
If CCP had kept quiet about the change in pricing, then those few savvy players would have cleaned up. Unfortunately for them, CCP didn't keep quiet about it.
Now, what you have to ask yourself (and what I asked myself last night) is this:
"Did CCP make a second mistake by announcing this change publicly? Or did they purposely announce this change to try and put the kibosh on the savvy players who would have cleaned up as a result of the error, by getting a bunch of OTHER players to buy up BPOs?"
If the latter is closer to the mark, then I really have to take my hat off to CCP for pulling off one of the best scams in recent memory.
Now the question is, how do they fix the tractor beam problem? And do they need to?
It's still cheaper for a player to buy a tractor beam BPO off of the market and build it for himself than it is to buy a fully-built one from another player. As I mentioned above, this is the opposite of the way that every other item in EVE is made. Thankfully (or, perhaps, purposely?) the requirements for tractor beams are such that it would take a new player 3 weeks of training and anywhere from 15m - 30m isk to actually be able to use a tractor beam. This, effectively, keeps tractor beams in the realm of the more advanced players.
So, does CCP need to fix this? I imagine it's a real thorn in their side, but apart from completely wiping all Small Tractor Beams AND Small Tractor Beam BPOs from the database and starting over from scratch, it's going to be very difficult.
On the other hand, by wiping all existence (and memory) of the current tractor beams from the game and starting from scratch, that would allow them to make an adjustment to the requirements for tractor beams; perhaps by dropping the requirements for Graviton Physics entirely, and dropping the Science and Engineering requirements to lvl 4.
This would, effectively, fix the problem. Tractor Beam BPO pricing would be in line with all other BPOs; more people would be able to use them, which would increase the demand for them; builders and researchers would be happy because they'd have a market to sell their tractor beams to.
Everybody would be happy.
Except, of course, the people who purchased loads of BPOs, people who purchased and earned their tractor beams legitimately; people who have been researching their current BPOs to increase efficiency; etc., etc.
Unfortunately, there's no easy fix. Some people are going to be ****ed.
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Posted - 2006.01.11 16:06:00 -
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I hope CCP do more of this.
When they actually intend to make a change that could be exploited to earn money (like with the Control Towers) they should keep it totally secret untill after the change is implemented.
Why should anyone be able to make a few hundred million (or indeed any amount of ) isk just because they logged into the test server or read the patchnotes before the change went live?
Kinda spoils the immersion of the universe with things like that going on and im glad to hear that people got burnt trying it this time.
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Ghey Iislandur
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Posted - 2006.01.11 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sinari Galdrin
Even if the price HAD been put up by CCP, there were so many out there, they'd probably be selling at or around the 81k mark anyway afterwards, just for people to be able to get rid of them. The 80,000+ copies of the BPO bought recently would take MANY years to sell (probably a few hundred years..)
Not to mention that if people in the future wanted a tractor beam, there were going to be TONS of people making the modules for almost nothing. Why buy something that was clearly going to have little value and would easily be available on the market?
Odds are, if an agent doesn't offer it to you, it's not worth anything more than the NPC price.
That being said ...
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA to all those that got
"scammed".
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