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JoKane	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:48:00 - [61] lol, alot of people just got....owned.
Marcus Sovereign	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:48:00 - [62] Originally by: Barak Torginn Do the people complaining that they didn't get free isk from this realise how stupid they look? Seriously, I'm laughing my ass off here. Do the people who are laughing their asses off at the expense of the rest of us realize how stupid THEY would look if the patch notes hadn't been changed? Think about it. As somebody else posted, the reason that many of us tried to take advantage of this was because of the success that many who came before us have had with just such an "exploit". And it's not like we tried to go behind CCP's back with this. We asked about the "legality" of buying cheap BPOs to resell at the higher price. Here's the response from Valar. (CCP developer) So... laugh while the laughing is good. Those of us who "speculate" on the market lost this round. We've won many more rounds than we've lost. We'll win more in the future. (At least until CCP grabs a clue about not announcing changes like this through the patch notes or updates to SISI.) "Never equate education with intelligence; nor intelligence with wisdom." - me "A smart man learns from his own mistakes; a wise man learns from the mistakes of others." - also me
Quanteeri	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:53:00 - [63] Originally by: Marcus Sovereign Originally by: Barak Torginn Do the people complaining that they didn't get free isk from this realise how stupid they look? Seriously, I'm laughing my ass off here. Do the people who are laughing their asses off at the expense of the rest of us realize how stupid THEY would look if the patch notes hadn't been changed? Think about it. As somebody else posted, the reason that many of us tried to take advantage of this was because of the success that many who came before us have had with just such an "exploit". And it's not like we tried to go behind CCP's back with this. We asked about the "legality" of buying cheap BPOs to resell at the higher price. Here's the response from Valar. (CCP developer) So... laugh while the laughing is good. Those of us who "speculate" on the market lost this round. We've won many more rounds than we've lost. We'll win more in the future. (At least until CCP grabs a clue about not announcing changes like this through the patch notes or updates to SISI.) Hey man, honestly, these may turn into a good longterm investment. It's just really funny now cause we know a bunch of peeps have already spent the money they thought they were going to make back on an investment opportunity that got blown wide open. CCP has even knows it. They've added the word BIGSHOT to the URL of my avatar.
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:56:00 - [64] Originally by: Winterblink Heh, this is great. Do it again, seriously. Basically, you had a bunch of players who were looking to use a patch note item to make a huge wad of cash at other players' expenses. Next time maybe they'll learn to do it properly, in game, with actual competition instead of cheap tactics. What's the matter, can't competetively sell your loot, ore, or manufactured items? Yeah they should do stuff like this more often, hilarious. Made my day. And it's a good isk sink. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Sinari Galdrin	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:57:00 - [65] Originally by: Marcus Sovereign Originally by: Barak Torginn Do the people complaining that they didn't get free isk from this realise how stupid they look? Seriously, I'm laughing my ass off here. Do the people who are laughing their asses off at the expense of the rest of us realize how stupid THEY would look if the patch notes hadn't been changed? Think about it. Hmm, yes, OK. Let's think - 86,000 BPO (and counting) sold 80,000-ish players on Eve Less than 10% (probably much less) of players use tractor beams - so about 0.5% of players would want a tractor beam BPO. So, that's about 400 BPOs needed Assume that each owner of a BPO 'loses' it every year - that's about 215 years needed before all the BPOs bought over the last couple of days are sold. Given that, I suspect that even if the BPOs WERE increased to 15 mill, the supply would be so big, and the demand so small, that the prices would come down to close to the original purchase price (and possibly go below it) So - even if the patch notes hadn't been changed - ha ha.. There are far better, quicker and easier ways of making a profit!
Koori	Posted - 2006.01.10 14:58:00 - [66] I bought 30 of those BPOs just after RMR release. It was quite obvious to me that the price will be changed. I've invested the money and was waiting for profit :P Too bad that it was announced in patch notes. Otherwise i would be rich :P That was quite unfair to change it in last minutes... but still... those 2,5 millions don't hurt me so much :P - ------------------------------------------- Helios enterprises is recruiting. 0% tax, 100% fun.
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:00:00 - [67] lmao owned to the max Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:03:00 - [68] Originally by: Sinari Galdrin There are far better, quicker and easier ways of making a profit! Yes.Heres another one Buy 50 large pos towers at 90mill Sell a day later at 400mill a pop Nice work if u can get it eh? "May you die by the hand of a low life in real life for ruining the gaming experiance of others.Your scum and will never be anything better than the coward you are."
Fester Addams	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:05:00 - [69] Just because the change didnt happen this patch does not meen they wont bring the price upp later. That said I would like to add that anyone that belived they would make 100's of milions on them was really fooling himself, the market for the BPO's was weak before and wuld not have increased just because the BPO NPC price jumped. I got myself 100 prints just incase the price did jump and lets face it I have taken harder hits than 8.1mil in earlier patches... besides I still have no doubt I will make the money back, its just a question of marketing. I do however dont like the way CCP handled this, if the intent was to sucker people into wasting isk then it was a very stupid move, the patch notes have to have integrity, its not a place to set upp players and create isk sinks. But then I very much belive the altered price will happen all the same just a tad later :)
Sinari Galdrin	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:06:00 - [70] Originally by: Ginger Magician Originally by: Sinari Galdrin There are far better, quicker and easier ways of making a profit! Yes.Heres another one Buy 50 large pos towers at 90mill Sell a day later at 400mill a pop Were they BPOs? No If it had been tractor beams that were going up in price, then it might have been sensible to invest in them - but not hundreds of BPOs.. That was plain daft.
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:06:00 - [71] Heh, I am SO glad I only purchased 5 BPOs 23? # Missile Tool # ex: P-TMC : USAC
VeNT	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:11:00 - [72] Originally by: Amthrianius owned and they should make it so you don't need a 32mill isk skill to use em
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:13:00 - [73] The 40mill i ahve lost on thse bpos is a drop in the ocean for an old time player like me.I am not moaning about the loss of iks that is peanuts The trust and integrity iussue is what i am complaining about and fester u will never get your isk back judging from the number of bpos that have been sold it is literally thousands and thousands.Tractor beam bpos will forever be worhtless on tq from now on. "May you die by the hand of a low life in real life for ruining the gaming experiance of others.Your scum and will never be anything better than the coward you are."
TheKiller8	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:20:00 - [74] Edited by: TheKiller8 on 10/01/2006 15:20:41 http://ccp4tw.ytmnd.com/ .: Click 2 See My Flash Animations :.
Duraeli	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:20:00 - [75] Originally by: Marcus Sovereign So... laugh while the laughing is good. Those of us who "speculate" on the market lost this round. We've won many more rounds than we've lost. We'll win more in the future. (At least until CCP grabs a clue about not announcing changes like this through the patch notes or updates to SISI.) Yes, people who speculate on the market have made a fair amount of isk in the past. But that doesn't excuse people coming here and claiming they are going to petition on what is, essentially, insider information. You speculated, and the price didn't jump as much as you had thought...'nuff said. Originally by: Sinari Galdrin If it had been tractor beams that were going up in price, then it might have been sensible to invest in them - but not hundreds of BPOs.. That was plain daft. QFT You speculated on bpos that produce a product for which there is no real market. ---------------------------------------------- Persona non grata
Lunas Feelgood	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:21:00 - [76] LMAO this is fun
Rhonni Rhocket	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:22:00 - [77] Originally by: Ginger Magician The 40mill i ahve lost on thse bpos is a drop in the ocean for an old time player like me.I am not moaning about the loss of iks that is peanuts The trust and integrity iussue is what i am complaining about and fester u will never get your isk back judging from the number of bpos that have been sold it is literally thousands and thousands.Tractor beam bpos will forever be worhtless on tq from now on. All you muppets crying about being left out of pocket after attempting a get rich quick scheme at the expense of others, please tell me exactly what part of the following quote you don't understand... Originally by: from patch notes Please note that the patch notes are still undergoing additions and changes as Quality Assurance on Red Moon Rising continues. You took a financial gamble and lost. You people would have been the first to berate some sucker that was crying about having to pay 15 million isk for a BPO after the patch if the change hadn't been reversed.
Duraeli	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:27:00 - [78] Originally by: TheKiller8 Edited by: TheKiller8 on 10/01/2006 15:20:41 http://ccp4tw.ytmnd.com/ Man, that's clutch...definitely going to save that pic. Thanks man. ---------------------------------------------- Persona non grata
Alvara	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:28:00 - [79] Originally by: Rod Blaine rofl. Nice isk sink manouvre CCP, do stuff like that mroe often will you ? I cant believe people would think that something this obvious and concerning a module that is definately not 'hot' would ever turn them a profit I agree completely. Everyone and there mother bought one after RMR was released who cared to have one. Then built sufficient for their use.
Marcus Sovereign	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:30:00 - [80] Originally by: Sinari Galdrin Originally by: Ginger Magician Originally by: Sinari Galdrin There are far better, quicker and easier ways of making a profit! Yes.Heres another one Buy 50 large pos towers at 90mill Sell a day later at 400mill a pop Were they BPOs? No If it had been tractor beams that were going up in price, then it might have been sensible to *invest* in them - but not hundreds of BPOs.. That was plain daft. I highlighted the key word in your post. INVEST. Nobody who bought these BPOs thought that they were going to be able to turn them around quickly. (Nobody with half a brain, anyway.) These were purchased as LONG-TERM INVESTMENTS. If I had been able to sell even ONE of those BPOs at a million isk less than the announced price, I would have been able to turn a profit of ~6m isk over my TOTAL investment. That would have left me with 99 more BPOs sitting in my hangar, and the last time I checked, BPOs weren't bio-degradable. Now, if I could have sold each of those 99 BPOs for even half of the announced price, I would have made another 742.5m isk. That's 3/4's of a billion isk profit. To put it in RL terms, if you were asked to invest a dollar today, with the possibility that you could earn up to $18,000+ in 5 years time, wouldn't you fork over that dollar? (Anybody who says "no" to this question is either a liar or a fool.) "Never equate education with intelligence; nor intelligence with wisdom." - me "A smart man learns from his own mistakes; a wise man learns from the mistakes of others." - also me
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:33:00 - [81] Originally by: TheKiller8 Edited by: TheKiller8 on 10/01/2006 15:20:41 http://ccp4tw.ytmnd.com/ The music does it for me... I listen to it and I can see the capering of these investors explaining how "honest" their actions really were. /me goes back to watching the parade of clowns going by to the music!!! Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
Marcus Sovereign	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:34:00 - [82] Originally by: Duraeli Originally by: Marcus Sovereign So... laugh while the laughing is good. Those of us who "speculate" on the market lost this round. We've won many more rounds than we've lost. We'll win more in the future. (At least until CCP grabs a clue about not announcing changes like this through the patch notes or updates to SISI.) Yes, people who speculate on the market have made a fair amount of isk in the past. But that doesn't excuse people coming here and claiming they are going to petition on what is, essentially, insider information. You speculated, and the price didn't jump as much as you had thought...'nuff said. I realize that you only quoted me to make a point. I just want to go on record as saying that I haven't once, during this entire discussion, mentioned that I was planning on petitioning about this. Nor do I plan to. As you say, I speculated, and lost. It's the price I was willing to pay when I first bought the BPOs. "Never equate education with intelligence; nor intelligence with wisdom." - me "A smart man learns from his own mistakes; a wise man learns from the mistakes of others." - also me
Rafein	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:44:00 - [83] Edited by: Rafein on 10/01/2006 15:48:02 Edited by: Rafein on 10/01/2006 15:46:04 Well, servers went down. Maybe they will raise the price during this small Downtime. So every willtry to sell their extra BPO's. Which of course, still will not sell, because everyone already has a BPO Edit: sides, there are supposed to be medium and large tractor beams coming, with more range. Probably make the smalls fairly obsolete.
Maximus Wolf	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:44:00 - [84] Originally by: Rhonni Rhocket Originally by: Nelson Muntz "HA HA" Signed.... *I saw Death today, he was riding a torpedo, but he didn't see me !*
DirtyAmarr	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:45:00 - [85] Originally by: TheKiller8 Edited by: TheKiller8 on 10/01/2006 15:20:41 http://ccp4tw.ytmnd.com/ Finally a good eve ytmnd
Beridox Raul	Posted - 2006.01.10 15:48:00 - [86] Originally by: Duraeli Originally by: TheKiller8 Edited by: TheKiller8 on 10/01/2006 15:20:41 http://ccp4tw.ytmnd.com/ Man, that's clutch...definitely going to save that pic. Thanks man. It just had to be Ginger
Navek Krone	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:00:00 - [87] CCP have not done anything underhand, all you ppl saying "What happened to trust" and "i wont believe what they say in patch notes again" are lame ! The patch notes are there for INFO only they are just letting the comunity know what the patch is going to address as long as it works it will be implemented it does not say this list is set in stone... The only ppl to blame are those who thought they could rip other players off.... all they see is $$$$$ and ll they hear is 'cha ching'
Lisa Run	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:00:00 - [88] Edited by: Lisa Run on 10/01/2006 16:06:14 I agree that it was really a good joke from CCP. I was thinking myself about buying a few and selling them extremly cheap before the majority does it or bringin' a few to 0.0 and selling them there for a few million. But I dind't do it. It was also clear that a lot of people would try that. It was also known since the pos tower gambling, that CCP doesn't like these sorts of trades. Well, I'm a bit astonished that CCP really 'brings' this. But well, funny like I said. Was my first laugh today after I switched on my computer. edit: In short, you tried to gamble in a dirty game and lost. Now take it like a man !
Kemuel	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:00:00 - [89] Originally by: Marcus Sovereign Originally by: Duraeli Originally by: Marcus Sovereign So... laugh while the laughing is good. Those of us who "speculate" on the market lost this round. We've won many more rounds than we've lost. We'll win more in the future. (At least until CCP grabs a clue about not announcing changes like this through the patch notes or updates to SISI.) Yes, people who speculate on the market have made a fair amount of isk in the past. But that doesn't excuse people coming here and claiming they are going to petition on what is, essentially, insider information. You speculated, and the price didn't jump as much as you had thought...'nuff said. I realize that you only quoted me to make a point. I just want to go on record as saying that I haven't once, during this entire discussion, mentioned that I was planning on petitioning about this. Nor do I plan to. As you say, I speculated, and lost. It's the price I was willing to pay when I first bought the BPOs. Um, on a totally unrelated topic.... both of "your" quotes in your sig are in fact attributed to either an old chinese saying or simply have no author.. and of course are very old. Just making sure you knew that :)
Marcus Sovereign	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:08:00 - [90] Edited by: Marcus Sovereign on 10/01/2006 16:13:08 Quote: Um, on a totally unrelated topic.... both of "your" quotes in your sig are in fact attributed to either an old chinese saying or simply have no author.. and of course are very old. Just making sure you knew that :) It's been said that there are no more "original thoughts", since everything that can be said has already been said. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that something similar to my taglines is out there. If they can be attributed to a published author, then I will gladly give credit where credit is due. If you can point me to the source, I will be happy to change the reference. Until then, however, since I didn't purposely or knowingly plagiarize any written works that I am aware of, I will leave the reference as is. *edited to correct a formatting error "Never equate education with intelligence; nor intelligence with wisdom." - me "A smart man learns from his own mistakes; a wise man learns from the mistakes of others." - also me

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