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Miramax	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:22:00 - [91] so ccp did this why?
Ayla Vanir	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:24:00 - [92] Ok, some of the replies are off-the-mark, imo. Using information provided on Sisi, patch notes, or similar out-of-game venues to manipulate the in-game market destroys the trust of the legitimate players that don't go out of their way to exploit. It boggles my mind that the scammers are complaining about this. It's bordering on an exploit to have done what was done, and frankly you (collectively, directed at the speculators) should be thankful your accounts aren't under review for the exploitation ban-hammer. That's my 2 cents. If CCP caves to such complaints and reverses the pricing decision in any way, they can then answer to the balance of the player population. It's one thing to allow scamming - it's a completely different thing for development and GM teams to actively promote using out-of-game data/knowledge (patch notes) or tools/systems (Sisi) for exploitative purposes. Thankfully, I'm (nearly) certain CCP won't reverse this change. Finally, it's been written before by the devs, but patch notes are always subject to change. Escrow Market Revamp
MR SC0UT	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:25:00 - [93] thats so funny. how dumb can people be
Zell	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:27:00 - [94] Originally by: TheKiller8 Edited by: TheKiller8 on 10/01/2006 15:20:41 http://ccp4tw.ytmnd.com/ OMG!!! You owe me for a new coffe soaked keyboard!! "Ginger Magician is just a nublet. I've met more people ingame that have laughed about him, than anyone else in Eve." "A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once.."
elFarto	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:28:00 - [95] Originally by: FireFoxx80 Heh, I am SO glad I only purchased 5 BPOs I bought 15 before christmas when I first knew about this. Now if CCP had kept their big mouth shout, I'd have 150mil (I intended to sell them for 10mil a pop). Regards elFarto Stratego > 2005.10.22 14:15:17 combat Imperium Alliance petitions you, glancing off causing no real damage.
Minsc	Posted - 2006.01.10 16:56:00 - [96] Anyone who is *****ing that you lost millions on this and are blaming CCP, just stop. Even if they had of changed the price of the bpo up to 15 mill you STILL wouldn't have been able to sell them because there are no more of the BPO sold than there are subscribers. You bought a cheap bpo for an undemanded module and your greed came back to bite you in the ass. End of story.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:04:00 - [97] I have 1 of these BPO's. I'll use it. That's not the issue. The issue is the mockery this makes of patch notes. I formally withdraw my statement about liking Valar's patch notes. I'm getting to the point where I feel I need to personally verify everything in the game I do still works after a patch (as well as anything in the patch notes which might possibly affect me). Sigh. Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm. "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Witch Doctor	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:05:00 - [98] Originally by: Ginger Magician Originally by: dodge2005 soooo, does anyone want to buy one (or more) tractor beam bpo's. Will we be able to sell them back to npc's? The is answer is no im afraid.BPOS are not bought back by npcs.This has all been a cruel joke on the player base and the bpos that have been purchased since this was anounced in patch notes r now basically worthless. I have about 500 i will sell for 20k each if any one wants them mail me ingame Can't ... hold ... it ... in ... This summarizes what CCP just did to Ginger and all the amateur noob scammers. Nice to see Karma is alive and well in Eve. ---------- Until we get our sig machine back, here is a short comedic break: Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss I rock your world Ushra'khan
Flyyn	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:17:00 - [99] I bought one, got it in the lab, researched it, made copies, and dont need to buy another. Honestly folks, playing inside information really is bad for you.
ElStudious	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:19:00 - [100] Originally by: Ginger Magician The 40mill i ahve lost on thse bpos is a drop in the ocean for an old time player like me.I am not moaning about the loss of iks that is peanuts The trust and integrity iussue is what i am complaining about and fester u will never get your isk back judging from the number of bpos that have been sold it is literally thousands and thousands.Tractor beam bpos will forever be worhtless on tq from now on. Dude... Did you actually read the patch notes? Take a look right at the bottom, where it always is: "Please note that the patch notes *are still undergoing additions and changes* as Quality Assurance on Red Moon Rising continues. Items recently added to the patch notes will be in italics." (emphasis mine) This is a change that has occurred to the patch, thats all. Thats a disclaimer saying the patch notes are liable for changes. See how they nicely tie in together there?
Dagam	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:23:00 - [101] Quote: Patchnotes updated. We cancelled change of the Small Tractor Beam blueprint base price. HAHAHAHAH I didn't buy any of those BPOs and I knew about it. HAHAHA just feels good to get that out
Tomas Nuerin	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:31:00 - [102] Originally by: Clytamnestra This is like when people used the lottery number from the TV-show Lost, to play the real lottery. Shhh....
Kane LeBaiton	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:32:00 - [103] I wanted a BPO for personal use anyway, bought 10 of them, will suck it up and pass the other 9 to future corp members... shrug... It's only 810k, omg i'll never recover!!11oneeleventy Originally by: Witch Doctor ...and all the amateur noob scammers. Aww come on, don't tell me you'll pass on every possibly profitable business opportunity you'll see.. .. Karma my behind!.. Kane
Tomas Nuerin	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:36:00 - [104] Originally by: Marcus Sovereign 2. Many players (myself included) went out and purchased a ton of the BPOs at the old price, in the hopes that they could be sold after the patch for a tidy profit. Did you even bothered to check how much of these bpo's were sold for "old" price before buying tons of them?
Spathi	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:38:00 - [105] I said it yesterday that the bpo change would bite many people in the ass. Thankfully I decided it would never pay off (even long term) and talked my corp mates out of doing it. With the volume of blueprints being snatched up, there would be far too many people with an excessive amount to sell after the change. Since there wasnt that much of a demand for them to start they would probably never all sell. Long term investment? Well, unless you sell more than just a couple of these you're not gonna get the payback. I'm guessing with the excessive volume of these now floating around, people will be putting them back on the market at 1isk less than npc pricing. I always expected people would eventually level the price out very low because of this excessive availability. Reading the patchnotes and seeing potential profit making from changes is one thing, and I have no issues with it. But anyone who knows how to invest would know that the tractor beams were never gonna be a multi-billion isk market. Plus with the market history for yesterday alone and the threads on the forums, you knew the market was gonna be flooded. I doubt anyone who got stung by this can honestly tell me you expected to make much profit off this at all. Someone else would always undercut your prices to get more sales so the prices would level off back at the pre-change npc prices. I mean come on, in essence since RMR release, only 919 tractor beam bpos have been bought. Yet 2165, 6752 and 1314 were snatched up the 3 days before patchday. Flooded.
Numeram	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:52:00 - [106] Originally by: Tomas Nuerin Originally by: Marcus Sovereign 2. Many players (myself included) went out and purchased a ton of the BPOs at the old price, in the hopes that they could be sold after the patch for a tidy profit. Did you even bothered to check how much of these bpo's were sold for "old" price before buying tons of them? Look people, there is no issue about trust, no backstabbing, no nothing. Patch notes are temporary and under constant review. Secondly, read up. Everyone with half a brain knew two days ago this was not going to be a repeat of the pos tower thing. Checking market history is quite easy and quite obvious. Wether CCP retracted this change or not is of no consequence to those that thought they'd make a profit from them. The number of bpo's sold shoudl have already made clear to all bu the first few buyers that there was never going to be any profit at all. Sorry, but this thread is utterly redundant other then beign a good laugh.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2006.01.10 17:59:00 - [107] Meh. It was worth investing a spare 8mill on the off chance that this would turn a profit. The only reason anyone would have for complaining, lies in the fact that other people have been treated differently, by being allowed to stockpile things pre-patch and then take advantage of the price change; anybody stockpiling bpo's has not been allowed to do that. And, yes, the only way to eliminate this sort of foolishness is to not tinker with prices on SiSi If the price of something is going to change dramatically, then NOBODY should know that until after the patch. Anything else is bound to be unfair to someone. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2006.01.10 18:02:00 - [108] Originally by: Marcus Sovereign To put it in RL terms, if you were asked to invest a dollar today, with the possibility that you could earn up to $18,000+ in 5 years time, wouldn't you fork over that dollar? (Anybody who says "no" to this question is either a liar or a fool.) Oh dear. We're going off at a bit of a tangent I'm afraid, but ... oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. It's because people like you say things like this that so many scammers make money. It's "only a dollar" from each of twenty thousand people; that's $20,000 just for telling people that if they give you a dollar it mightperhapsmaybeoneday make them rich. If it sounds too good to be true, it IS too good to be true; it's not true. Don't give the scammers your money, even if it is only one dollar. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Marcus Sovereign	Posted - 2006.01.10 18:09:00 - [109] Originally by: Tomas Nuerin Originally by: Marcus Sovereign 2. Many players (myself included) went out and purchased a ton of the BPOs at the old price, in the hopes that they could be sold after the patch for a tidy profit. Did you even bothered to check how much of these bpo's were sold for "old" price before buying tons of them? Actually, yes, I did. Let's recap, shall we? 1. CCP makes a public announcement, through the patch notes, that the small tractor beam BPO prices are going to be raised from 81k to 15m. 2. Upon reading this (within an hour of the notes going up) I hit the market, check the history, and make the decision to buy 100 BPOs as a long-term investment. 3. A few "helpful" players decide that, for the betterment of the EVE community, they need to alert as many people to this "exploit" as possible. 4. Hundreds of players, upon seeing the posts from the "helpful" players, also run out and buy up BPOs. 5. CCP, realizing that they've made a huge mistake by making such a change public, frantically backpedals and removes the change in pricing from the patch. I think that about sums it up. "Never equate education with intelligence; nor intelligence with wisdom." - me "A smart man learns from his own mistakes; a wise man learns from the mistakes of others." - also me
000Hunter000	Posted - 2006.01.10 18:16:00 - [110] LMAO!!! i adviced my corpmates to buy atleast 1, but i also adviced them that cause it is in the patchnote everybodies mother will do the same, so don't use it as a speculation product but just buy the 1. pretty cruel joke there ccp hehe well atleast we didn't get insert bad word here with the ram's, atleast the pbo is cheap and the rams can be produced at a reasonable price, tbh i fully expected the bpo to cost millions and the ram production costs as well so i was pleasantly surprised
Gerome Doutrande	Posted - 2006.01.10 18:17:00 - [111] Quite funny. Good luck with your sales, gentlemen.
Marcus Sovereign	Posted - 2006.01.10 18:18:00 - [112] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Marcus Sovereign To put it in RL terms, if you were asked to invest a dollar today, with the possibility that you could earn up to $18,000+ in 5 years time, wouldn't you fork over that dollar? (Anybody who says "no" to this question is either a liar or a fool.) Oh dear. We're going off at a bit of a tangent I'm afraid, but ... oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. It's because people like you say things like this that so many scammers make money. It's "only a dollar" from each of twenty thousand people; that's $20,000 just for telling people that if they give you a dollar it mightperhapsmaybeoneday make them rich. If it sounds too good to be true, it IS too good to be true; it's not true. Don't give the scammers your money, even if it is only one dollar. To make your concerns valid, you would have to equate CCP with the con artist you're referencing. It was, after all, CCP devs who posted the change on the patch notes. It was, after all, a CCP dev who said that buying BPOs at the low price and then selling them for a higher price was perfectly acceptable. (or, at least, that's what was inferred by Valar in this thread. (see post #5) I can certainly understand and sympathize with the animosity that is being strewn about in this thread... but I believe it's a tad misdirected. "Never equate education with intelligence; nor intelligence with wisdom." - me "A smart man learns from his own mistakes; a wise man learns from the mistakes of others." - also me
Tiny Carlos	Posted - 2006.01.10 18:21:00 - [113] Pld ccp
Suya	Posted - 2006.01.10 18:37:00 - [114] I bought 2 hoping to sell one for 10mil. Nice and easy profit. I considered buying 20 BPO for 1.6kmil and maybe selling them for 5mil each but I honestly did not think they would shift has so many people knew about it and tractor beams are not something that is normally lost in PVP. They are used by mission runners on there hauling ships. One module would last a lifetime If anyone bought more than 20BPO, he must be an idiot as i do not even think they would shift evn if the price was at 15mil each
Daniel Jacks0n	Posted - 2006.01.10 18:39:00 - [115] Originally by: Marcus Sovereign Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Marcus Sovereign To put it in RL terms, if you were asked to invest a dollar today, with the possibility that you could earn up to $18,000+ in 5 years time, wouldn't you fork over that dollar? (Anybody who says "no" to this question is either a liar or a fool.) Oh dear. We're going off at a bit of a tangent I'm afraid, but ... oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. It's because people like you say things like this that so many scammers make money. It's "only a dollar" from each of twenty thousand people; that's $20,000 just for telling people that if they give you a dollar it mightperhapsmaybeoneday make them rich. If it sounds too good to be true, it IS too good to be true; it's not true. Don't give the scammers your money, even if it is only one dollar. To make your concerns valid, you would have to equate CCP with the con artist you're referencing. It was, after all, CCP devs who posted the change on the patch notes. It was, after all, a CCP dev who said that buying BPOs at the low price and then selling them for a higher price was perfectly acceptable. (or, at least, that's what was inferred by Valar in this thread. (see post #5) I can certainly understand and sympathize with the animosity that is being strewn about in this thread... but I believe it's a tad misdirected. and if people did read the responds in that thread people would know that it was no isk button, and if people would think before buying they would also know by themselfs its a smal market wich most people alrdy having the bpo. but ooh wel good try to get rich to who tryed it. yust dont send lame petitions about it and giving devs even more work as they allrdy have atm - Quote From Thread - Well, I'd think loads of people will buy the BPOs before the patch. Put them up after the patch for a higher amount. However, since demand for the BPOs will probably be way lower then the supply, there is not that much ISK being made from it.
Blind Fear	Posted - 2006.01.10 18:55:00 - [116] Hahaha. I bought a few on the assumption that I didnt have one and I could give a few of them away post-patch or something. Too funny for the people who bought 10k. You got what you deserved. ------------------------------------------------ Derailing threads with logic since 1992
Tas Devil	Posted - 2006.01.10 19:01:00 - [117] Edited by: Tas Devil on 10/01/2006 19:02:12 80,000 accounts... some idiot bought 10k BPO's in Lonetrek alone... what he had a brilliant business plan of selling 1 BPO to every 8 players in eve ? I'm sure you get my point... This is rather funny...althought I do find its poor on CCP's part, the total Dumb de Dumbs who fell for it got what they deserved !
Kharakan	Posted - 2006.01.10 19:03:00 - [118] Edited by: Kharakan on 10/01/2006 19:05:53 Originally by: MR SC0UT thats so funny. how dumb can people be hem hem [color=red] POST WITH YOUR MAIN [/color] Originally by: ParMizaN evry1ghasb a limiy... ...and ijust reached it ahaha...
Sal'Mari N'yssa	Posted - 2006.01.10 19:12:00 - [119] This is a SOE tactic used many times in SWG... Nuff Said
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2006.01.10 19:22:00 - [120] Originally by: Marcus Sovereign We're going off at a bit of a tangent I'm afraid, but ... oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. It's because people like you say things like this that so many scammers make money. It's "only a dollar" from each of twenty thousand people; that's $20,000 just for telling people that if they give you a dollar it mightperhapsmaybeoneday make them rich. If it sounds too good to be true, it IS too good to be true; it's not true. Don't give the scammers your money, even if it is only one dollar. To make your concerns valid, you would have to equate CCP with the con artist you're referencing. My concerns don't relate to the Tractor Beam bpo incident, but the IRL equivalent. Which is why I pointed out that I was going off on a bit of a tangent. I was kind of hoping that people would actually read the post before commenting about it - foolish of me. I've been here long enough to know better. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."

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