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Baleine4Nerver
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:06:00 -
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Its fine for me, no issues reading it at all,
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Jennai
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:08:00 -
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 Originally by: Kurren
It's capable of more languages than the old one was.
why make everyone suffer with this horrible font when most of them don't care if the funny characters show up as boxes or not? it should have been a user-selectable option to use this crap unicode font or the old one.
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Joost Hyperion
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kurren
The new font is supposed to be more "multi-language" supportive. That's why it's been introduced. More than Americans and English play this game. Romanians, Chinese, Siberian, Spanish, Russian, Japanese, French, Korean, Canadian =P... they all need to be able to read too. That's why this font is here. It's capable of more languages than the old one was.
I know, but why so small.
Even at the largest setting the size is relatively small.
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Xerxes X
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:11:00 -
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A big improvement, but the & symbol still looks a bit like a 6.
Xerxes X
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Alaris
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Alaris on 10/01/2006 16:13:21
Originally by: Jennai
Originally by: Kurren
It's capable of more languages than the old one was.
why make everyone suffer with this horrible font when most of them don't care if the funny characters show up as boxes or not? it should have been a user-selectable option to use this crap unicode font or the old one.
Thats what I don't get.. why not just give us the option to pick? That would solve all these problems. I personally don't care if I see someone else's language that I can't understand, but I understand other people don't care about my language either. If people want to play in Wingdings, let them. Choice can't be a bad thing.
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griff1972
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:12:00 -
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seems like to me 100% of eve players will never be happy with any font, may be its time to let individual players choose the font they wish to use, perhaps an option in generic where an indvidual can choose a font from a small list perhaps a list made up from previous tried fonts
8 out 10 players would be happy with this lol
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:16:00 -
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Asphyxia:
If they spent the time on reading and following a simple 12 step guide on 'Howto build a easily readably Font' there would have been no complaints.
Screwing up three times in a row isn't really speaking for the dev team's quality department.
Three times: ColdWar, Red Moon Raising and today.
The font rendering engine is a bit better now. The font got worse.
Uneven and tight letter spacing is bad. Uneven word spacing is bad. The letters are pretty amateurish. Decimals and kommata merging with numbers and letters is bad.
Unclear rendering when the window is in windowed mode is bad.
Oh, and I can read the text on the forum here just fine, regardless which browser and OS I use.
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Kurren
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Alaris
Edited by: Alaris on 10/01/2006 16:13:21
Originally by: Jennai
Originally by: Kurren
It's capable of more languages than the old one was.
why make everyone suffer with this horrible font when most of them don't care if the funny characters show up as boxes or not? it should have been a user-selectable option to use this crap unicode font or the old one.
Thats what I don't get.. why not just give us the option to pick? That would solve all these problems. I personally don't care if I see someone else's language that I can't understand, but I understand other people don't care about my language either. If people want to play in Wingdings, let them. Choice can't be a bad thing.
You probably don't get to pick because of the transfers between fonts. One player would choose one font and say something, then it would have to be read and then written in your font... doesn't seem too bad untill you realize that some systems have a local up up to 300 people all with different fonts. Not to mention, the folks that need a uni-code in order to communicate with folks that speak different languages. Eve has enough trouble with lag as it is. There's no need to throw something else on to the server's metophorical back.
Also, I was able to make my font larger and readable. Maybe there's a bug that won't allow people to change the size of the font, but I did it and the only thing I have a problem with these days is the position of the * in the emotes.
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:25:00 -
[39]
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OK, RMR font was giving headaches. This patched up font looks OK for now (maybe needs longer hours before I can feel any effect) but the current font doesnt look and feel right. It feels weirdish.
Why cant we have Cold War font back pls?
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Alaris
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:28:00 -
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How about just a few fonts then? Its a given 100% of the people won't be satisified. I liked the pre-cold war one, I got used to the RMR one at wide, and could have lived with that, but this one... I'm not saying I couldn't get used to it, but the HUGE spacing between words in expanded is just ruining any chance of that for me.
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AK Shaman
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:30:00 -
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less readable for me
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Andrue
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 10/01/2006 16:32:25
Originally by: Kurren
Originally by: Alaris
Edited by: Alaris on 10/01/2006 16:13:21
Originally by: Jennai
Originally by: Kurren
It's capable of more languages than the old one was.
why make everyone suffer with this horrible font when most of them don't care if the funny characters show up as boxes or not? it should have been a user-selectable option to use this crap unicode font or the old one.
Thats what I don't get.. why not just give us the option to pick? That would solve all these problems. I personally don't care if I see someone else's language that I can't understand, but I understand other people don't care about my language either. If people want to play in Wingdings, let them. Choice can't be a bad thing.
You probably don't get to pick because of the transfers between fonts. One player would choose one font and say something, then it would have to be read and then written in your font... doesn't seem too bad untill you realize that some systems have a local up up to 300 people all with different fonts.
Sorry but that's rubbish.
The font is only used to render a string on your display. Up until the last moment it's just a bunch of numeric codes and those numeric codes are standarised.
If I send you the message "AAAA" your client is just told to render character number 65 four times. It makes no difference to me or anyone else how your client chooses to render character 65.
With 8 bit characters it was possible for some of the more esoteric codes to be different but even then with the exception of a few weird fonts like Wingdings the standard Roman alphabet codes were fixed.
Since the client is now using Unicode there is no dissagreement at all - that's precisely why Unicode was invented. The Roman alphabet letter 'A' has a unique code that everyone agrees on. Even Wingdings has its own unique code. IIRC Even Egyptian hieroglyphics have been given codes.
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Jennai
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kurren
Also, I was able to make my font larger and readable. Maybe there's a bug that won't allow people to change the size of the font, but I did it and the only thing I have a problem with these days is the position of the * in the emotes.
the previous font was somewhat tolerable in wide, but the new font on expanded is ridiculously large.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.01.10 16:39:00 -
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Oh my god.
What is this, the 4th ******* font downgrade?
Give us an option to pick betweenm the old pre-multi language font and the current whatever font. I dont need to to see russian and chinese characters anyway, whether i see #@$#@$@%#%TSDRDGF@##!# or some language i dont speak, the end result is the same....
How can such a simple thing be so hard...
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Dhannik
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:49:00 -
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I keep getting the feeling that the fonts keep getting less and less professional looking, especially things like "Warp Drive Active" or such. This new font looks fine on things like "Current location" box while docked, but really no where else.
I'm voting for Cold War font.
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Maestro Ulv
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:53:00 -
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I liked the original RMR font myself, though it was impossible to tell a nought from a O. Nice work CCP. Kept the classic 80's scfi feel and made it fully readable.
http://phaze9.moonmanstudio.com/
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Zag Stormchild
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Posted - 2006.01.10 17:56:00 -
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Font seems ok, it's not that bad.. why are you all complaining ? Are you all blind or something or playing on a PSP screen ?
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Alaris
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:09:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Alaris on 10/01/2006 18:09:32
Yes, we're all blind, and its that bad that we can feel it on our braille keypads.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:18:00 -
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The new font is better than the old one to my eyes. That doesn't make it good but it's not as bad. Unfortunately I'm still seeing descenders clipped on single line text like Wallet/transactions.
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Brutor Shaun
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:18:00 -
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Me no like....
Bring back the Cold war font. Or make the font user definable from the [esc] menu.
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:19:00 -
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This one is a lot better than the Red Moon squint-a-thon of the last few weeks, but I still miss the Cold War font. Note that I don't really care what a font looks like, aslong as its readable.
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Donna Darko
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kurren
You probably don't get to pick because of the transfers between fonts. One player would choose one font and say something, then it would have to be read and then written in your font... doesn't seem too bad untill you realize that some systems have a local up up to 300 people all with different fonts. [...] Eve has enough trouble with lag as it is. There's no need to throw something else on to the server's metophorical back.
Are you stupid?
If we're chatting on IRC (which seems to be the basis for this chat system), only the TEXT gets to the server and relayed to other people. Not the font size/type, etc.
What is being asked (and I want that too) is the ability to chose what font to display on OUR COMPUTERS, not yours.
I work daily with all the possible languages, and have all the needed fonts on all my computers - that didn't mean I had to stick with an ugly-ass font to display Japanese, or Korean, or what-not. The "look-ma'-i-learned-to-create-fonts" font they use in EVE is not the only Unicode-compliant font.
I for one have asked for a change in font since they started sporting this one, it's been over 2 months since my first request. I have developped huge headaches that went as far as to cause me to take the day off from work (and that's for playing 1-3 or maybe 4 hours a day, not all of them in one go, not every day).
I'm doing what any normal person would do: if something hurts you, I stop doing it. I'm out of here; no game, no matter how cool or entertaining will keep me playing when it damages my eyes.
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:31:00 -
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They've seriously ****** things up even worse this time. Since I HAVE NO FRIKKING OPTION TO CHANGE IT, im stuck using a font that is poorly designed, and damned outright ugly. I wish they had just left it alone. CCP, EVE is going down the crapper...
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:32:00 -
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i've never had a problem with the fonts...
but i wish they wouldn't keep changing them.
did people with bad eyesight have troubles with the CWE font?
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:40:00 -
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Edited by: Tachy on 10/01/2006 18:42:30
Yes, people had problems with the CWE font.
There was a massive outcry and ccp went back to the preCWE font.
With RMR they reintroduced it.
There was a massive outcry again.
Then ccp patched *cough* the client a bit.
Guess wich font we still have ...
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Oh, and it got nothing to do with bad eyesight.
It is a badly designed font on a suboptimal font rendering engine that causes problems under certain constellations of monitors, screen resolution and other settings.
Like settings that work on most or all other programs just fine.
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Jennai
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy
Yes, people had problems with the CWE font.
There was a massive outcry and ccp went back to the preCWE font.
With RMR they reintroduced it.
There was a massive outcry again.
RMR font is different from cold war font.
both of them suck but the cold war font was better than the current one.
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:44:00 -
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Tachy dude i dunno what your smokin, but the RMR font has never been used before, NEVER!
And eyesight problems with EXODUS font? C'mon it was sure better than this joke we have atm.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.01.10 18:57:00 -
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Exodus was used until the Cold War Edition brought us this wonderful font. And it was reintroduced about a week later.
It wasn't a unicode font.
So we got the font back with RMR, with really tiny changes.
With the new patch to RMR, they changed mostly the font rendering engine and some numbers a bit.
But what would be the problem with merging the easily readable Exodus font with the horrible unicode one? Did the rendering engine stop supporting the old truetype way?
You could do a test and extract the different fonts for yourself and use them in other programs. You can find the old fonts in the old patches.
The current font stinks in other programs too, but it is displayed better.
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BlackHole Bob
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:01:00 -
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I wear glass's and this new font is as bad if not worse then the last....
regardless of what some say...for me PERSONALLY, it sucks the big wind
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2006.01.10 19:05:00 -
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the old EXODUS fonts wernt truetype, they were bitmap fonts stored at
res: /res/ui/textures/fonts/
and called fontmap_01.dds fontmap_02.dds ect..
which are direct draw surface textures, as if they couldn't have just expanded upon these.. ahwell
I even got one of my artists to recreate the EXODUS font and we tried to embed it into the current evesansmm.pfb font file, but from looking at it, it looks as if CCP has done some of their own wee lovlys inside it. When i replicated these lovelys and embedded them in with the new font i had problems with the client. So no, that dont work unfortuantly.
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