Have CCP build a time machine and create WoW before Blizzard.

Brainstorm: How to make Eve bigger then WoW ?

Why would you want to make it bigger than WoW? She's fine as she is, I don't want it bigger than WoW, it doesn't need to be either.

No brainstorm needed.

BTW. Does any other MMO exist with time based Skill System?

Including the player base from dust + Eve + possible Valkyrie

Assume that it is possible when answering.

How does one do this? What would eve need? What should eve not do to achieve this?

I have thoughts but ill leave then till later if this thread gets any traction... For the moment I'm just curious as to what people think about it atm.

well the larger the player base the greater the income and like wise the larger the budget, I would hope that'd accelerate eve evolution?

I didn't say I wanted WoW players in particluar, I just wanted more players in general... I never have and never will play WoW for a reason (not saying I have anything against those that do)

I want ccp to get more money because if they had more, they could do more so that maybe some of the features in the idea generation stage comes out in 9 years instead of 10 :P

I'm thinking turn based strategy game or online trading cards... Geez, if something like pogs can take off - there must be something "silly" or even somewhat serious that Eve can do to pull a profit...

Besides, every endeavor they take serves as advertisement to draw in a bigger crowd... especially if you start interfacing with stores like walmart, bestbuy, shoppers exc. (im in Canada)

I do not think it is possible anymore. Even if you come up with EVE 2 with all modern mmo quality of life features, mmo genre in itself seems to be losing its grasp. Atm MOBA games seem to be pulling people with quite staggering numbers: "As of July 2013, LoL had 32 million active monthly users and Dota 2 had 4.8 million active monthly players, while Heroes of Newerth had 2 million.".

32 million LoLers, I dont think Blizzard reached even half way to that with "most popular and successful mmo of all time.".

Unless CCP comes with totally new, drasting and mindblowing concept of mmo genre that is never seen before, I dont think it will pass over WoW player base. Not because of game but because genre is becoming bit "meh".

PS: and no, I think EVE is only mmo with time based skill learning.

well the larger the player base the greater the income and like wise the larger the budget, I would hope that'd accelerate eve evolution?

so they can spend more money on a game that we DONT like? yeah sounds a good trade...
next eve expansion would be Clusters of Pandoria with ******** black white panda looking ships which all are superior to the current ones thx but no

to be bigger than wow, we would need to get rid of having to "earn" money, get rid of loosing ships from pvp and make it towhere its more a game and not a simulation.

This is sort of the point of it right here. If Eve were to grow as large as Wow, CCP would be saddled with problems Blizzard faced and is facing now: namely, their player base grew because Blizzard started catering toward "casual" players, which is just another way of saying players who aren't really invested in the game and who will take the necessary steps to grow (as players) and master the game. So, as the numbers surged with these "casuals," Blizzard became beholden to them, crying out for ever more easy-mode ways to play, and Blizzard was happy--obliged to respond in kind--so they wouldn't lose all these "casuals" who really didn't want to stick around for the game if it wasn't "easy-mode."

So what do you end up today with, then? A Wow that is five million--FIVE MILLION--subscribers down from its height during Wow's Wrath of the Lich King expansion. It's latest expansion introduced a Blizzard-themed Pokemon and playable Panda bears. Blizzard, wanting to hang on to its dwindling player base of "easy-or-flee" "casuals" introduced a game mode that automatically groups you with 24 other "casual" players so that you could still "kill the dragon" but where you essentially could be the worst player and still get carried along and "succeed" in fights. Of the 25 players required, it only takes about 10 to carry the raid, and you can "stand in the fire" or otherwise have very, VERY little situational awareness and skill at the game and still "succeed" and be handed your "epic" loot.

What's more, all the casual-pandering game modes introduced utterly and completely stripped the social aspect of the game. Players no longer have to even communicate with one another, nevermind having the "chore" to seek out others to group up with, form guilds, and foster friendships. There's little travel in the "world of Azeroth" anymore, too, as what was once required if you wished to enter a dungeon somewhere in the world--to define it and shape it as an actual virtual world--is replaced by instant travel of you and your 24 random "friends" to the dungeon so you can, again, "kill the dragon."

The side effects of this: the hardcore players--the very ones who stuck around to build Wow--were marginalized as the voices of the "casual" crowd grew. Hardcore players, indeed many a typical player of Eve, enjoy challenge and adversity, overcoming it and being justly rewarded. In Eve, it comes from deception, piloting skill, fitting knowledge, game mechanic understanding, etc. But a typical "casual" doesn't want to do any of this. They want to click "join Incursion" or "Faction Warfare battle" and it happens. They want very little risk of their assets actually blowing up, since if that's the case, they may as well leave, instead of being rewarded for their skill. Entitlement sentiment runs rampant on Blizzard's forums. And in response, Blizzard's community managers push out the company-line "spin" for the masses to devour. Hardcore players are silenced by backlash and QQ if they suggest keeping a feature that defined Wow, such as rewarding the best players with the best gear or best achievements. Casuals think that simply by paying for the game, they're entitled to everything the game has to offer, regardless of skill level or understanding of it. I'm not sure when gamers became this way, since I played games that required actual skill to succeed at and see the end, "beat" the game and feel a sense of accomplishment.

If Eve were to grow like Wow, we the players would lose our voice and our power to shape the universe the way us (typically hardcore) players want it. The 500,000 of us would be supplanted by 9.5 million "casuals" who'd want high sec to be a place where it would be impossible for any loss. Weapons would be disabled in high sec, since when you live in peace, there's no need for weapons, am I right? I'm sure that desire to "see the game" would eventually spill over into null sec, and casuals would demand a way to "see" null sec, too, since "why should only null sec get the best sanctums or asteroids?" Pvp would move into some sort of consensual monster, where someone would have to stay in nullsec for an hour or so before they became a "valid" target. Eve would be put on easy mode, and CCP would rake in the profits Blizzard has seen, yes, but at the cost of their souls.

I'd much rather a smaller Eve with a more responsive Dev team. I'd take a Dev team that's real and honest; a team that will tell us how it is, show their emotion, and sometimes say too much. That sort of Dev team shows me that they're passionate about their product, and they want the best for it. That shows me a Dev team that still dreams of what can be and works to make it happen. And I'll take a smaller player base of dedicated players wanting to keep the game the same as what all drew us in. The hardcore nature of Eve forced us to talk to others. It forced us to understand that our actions have consequence and meaning. We found corporations that took us in, showed us the ropes, and let us grow. We found corps that matched our play styles and corps that we shared our experiences with. When you're all in the same boat, the universe isn't nearly as scary as facing it alone, and that's the true success of Eve. And that's why I wouldn't change a thing.

You don't think though that any game company in their right mind would trade 500k hardcore players for a few million casual players in a heartbeat as long as they were able to do it in a sustainable context?

THAT is why EVE will never be WOW. There is a fundamentally different form of gameplay, and content creation. It's not casual vs hardcore, there are plenty of casual EVE players.

Yup, infinite possibilities... wasn't there even a strategy game planned that could be played in bars?

As far as FPS combat goes: Not sure if that should be the focus of WiS... not at first, at least. Stations/corp offices and bars could just as well be social areas only, for starters.

BTW. Does any other MMO exist with time based Skill System?

[quote=Mole Guy]..whole lot of rabble rabble, sky is falling, dey tuk er jebs, rabble rabble...

the last thing id want is to take any of dusts thunder... it doesn't have much atm in the global community

Yea, but that's because it's on a (dying) console only... that should change. It should be brought over to PC and properly integrated into EVE.

So ... hands of the space ships!

Including the player base from dust + Eve + possible Valkyrie

Assume that it is possible when answering.

How does one do this? What would eve need? What should eve not do to achieve this?

I have thoughts but ill leave then till later if this thread gets any traction... For the moment I'm just curious as to what people think about it atm.

I don't know if it still exists, but there was one called Perpetuum. I think it used a similar engine to EVE

LOL = league of legends?

32 million people play that garbage? LOL

See what I did there?

Doublepost

That's not so say I don't think some expansion can be done by utilising WiS. However it will have to fit in with the rest of EVE, Bars where you can make shady deals about smuggling boosters, or poker tables where you can bet your assets would be much better than some FPS/racing/whatever.

(I would love for Mittens to bet the whole of Deklein sov on a full house).

9. the pay-to-play model of gaming may itself be coming to an end and this would all but kill CCPs already critically low income stream.

9. the pay-to-play model of gaming may itself be coming to an end and this would all but kill CCPs already critically low income stream.

I think pay to pay is certainly a better model. However, what do you think the feasibility of a 'Free-to-play/pay-to-fly' idea .. where the free players are stuck in their boots, while someone who shells out for a plex gets a pod.

Wow is free to play for the first few .... 20 levels (?) .... right, can someone verify that?

I porpoise a genetic engineering project to ensure that-- within a generation-- spreadsheet-loving sociopaths, egomaniacs, and bitter IT workers outnumber normal people by a significant margin. Mission accomplished.

Who would want all the whiners?


How's about instead of brainstorming how to be bigger than, we can brainstorm how to gank them?

Including the player base from dust + Eve + possible Valkyrie

Assume that it is possible when answering.

How does one do this? What would eve need? What should eve not do to achieve this?

I have thoughts but ill leave then till later if this thread gets any traction... For the moment I'm just curious as to what people think about it atm.

I don't know if it still exists, but there was one called Perpetuum. I think it used a similar engine to EVE

Read this a couple times and i cannot understand what you are trying to say, sorry.

1. Walking in stations
2. Walking inside ships
3. Walking on planet's surface
4. Walking on moon's surface
5. Walking on asteroids surface
6. Spacewalk
7. PI with ability to build own cities and holding actual districts on the map.
8. Ships crew
9. No more side projects just focus on eve online pc game.
10. Ability to build own private pos anywhere you like in space as long as its not in LS/HS
11. Profit....